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My boot order keeps changing!!!
« on: 02-April-08, 17:21:33 »

 :wall: I am running a P6N SLI platinum mobo, and lately my boot order keeps changing. The other day I was restoring from an image with True image, and noticed that TI reported my "D storage drive" as "C", and my C drive as "D". I looked at my boot order in the bios, and my storage drive was set in the boot order ahead of my operating system drive. Then, this morning my system would not boot at all. So, I go into my bios, and my card reader was 1st in the boot order. I don't even want my card reader in the boot order PERIOD!!! Once I removed it from the boot order, my PC booted fine again. I also have "boot from other devices" set to "No". Why is this happening??

By the way, I am running the original bios v1.1 that my board came with from a year ago.

Thanks for any help!!!
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Re: My boot order keeps changing!!!
« Reply #1 on: 02-April-08, 17:39:43 »

Was the image made from a D drive?
When I was installing xp64, with xp32 already on it, xp64  changed the bootorder too once it was installed, also in BIOS.
Strange but true  X-((
My c was my d and vice versa.
But by setting boot from other device,to no, now it functions normallly, or does it keep on happening?
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Re: My boot order keeps changing!!!
« Reply #2 on: 02-April-08, 17:56:38 »

Was the image made from a D drive?
When I was installing xp64, with xp32 already on it, xp64  changed the bootorder too once it was installed, also in BIOS.
Strange but true  X-((
My c was my d and vice versa.
But by setting boot from other device,to no, now it functions normallly, or does it keep on happening?

The image file was created with the TI. It was an image file of my C drive, stored on my D drive. I would like to keep the imaging topic out of this as to avoid confusion. I only mentioned it, because that is how I discovered that my storage drive was set to boot before my operating system drive.

And, the problem is still happening with the "boot from other devices" set to "No".

Why can't I set my boot order the way I want it, and then have an option to lock it in that order? The mobo takes it upon itself to change the boot order anytime it feels like it.
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Re: My boot order keeps changing!!!
« Reply #3 on: 02-April-08, 18:06:52 »

Ok sorry for the misunderstanding, but I'm only trying to help :hat tip:
You can change your boot setting in your bios, second menu from top, enter, then choose boot order, enter, set in order you want with enter en cursorkeys, save with F10
How old is it, maybe your battery is slowly dying.
Please post all your specs as in my sig, so when can be more helpful, thanks in advance  :hat tip:


Or maybe your bios needs updating?
Are you familiar with bios flashing, or is that to complicated for you, cause I dont know if you build it yourself or your a good amateur, pro, whatever, with pC's
Otherwise read here:
http://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=113295.0
and here:
http://www.biosflash.com/e/bios-boot-cd.htm

But remember, flashing is at YOUR own risk and us forumusers can not be held responsible for faulty flashing and ended up dead hardware!!!!
So do it only as last resort and if you know what your doing.
But as said, please post specs in your sig next, including detailed info over psu, cause those are nasty troublemakers if you've got a bad one  :biggthumbsup:
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Re: My boot order keeps changing!!!
« Reply #4 on: 02-April-08, 18:32:10 »

Yes, I built the system myself about a year ago. And yes I have done bios flashing on one of my other home built PC's.  I have never updated the bios on this home built, because I have never really had any serious problems. I have had my boot order change occasionally, but now it seems to do it more often.....three times in the last two days.

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Re: My boot order keeps changing!!!
« Reply #5 on: 02-April-08, 18:55:16 »

Is that ram set to vendor settings or did you tweak that?
I've never seen 5-5-5-12, only 4-4-4-12, 4-4-4-15 and 5-5-5-15

Nevermind found it already.
try 5-5-5-15 and see what it does then
I'll be back   :hat tip:

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Re: My boot order keeps changing!!!
« Reply #6 on: 02-April-08, 19:03:39 »

Is that ram set to vendor settings or did you tweak that?
I've never seen 5-5-5-12, only 4-4-4-12, 4-4-4-15 and 5-5-5-15

Nevermind found it already?
try 5-5-5-15 and see what it does then
I'll be back   :hat tip:

5-5-5-12 is the vendor settings.
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Re: My boot order keeps changing!!!
« Reply #7 on: 02-April-08, 19:26:06 »

Scan your HD's on faults, maybe you've got a dying HD. and is the bootsector damaged.
Or flash BIOS, cause you said it already did it from the start, might be flacky BIOS  :hat tip:
But dont point at me if it goes wrong, be sure of what you do, succes and keep us posted  :biggthumbsup:
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Re: My boot order keeps changing!!!
« Reply #8 on: 02-April-08, 19:42:40 »


Or flash BIOS, cause you said it already did it from the start, might be flacky BIOS 

Yeah, I have been thinking that all along. I went ahead and flashed my bios to the latest version on the MSI website. Thanks for the link on using a USB flash drive!!!  It worked great!!!  I went ahead and re-set my boot order, and made sure "boot from other devices" was set to "No".  We will see what happens.

I forgot to mention this. I have two USB 2 connections on the top of my case. I had to wire these from the mobo. It is these two USB connection points that cause the boot order trouble. For example, everything is fine with nothing plugged into those USB connections on the top of the case. Now, if I plug my card reader in, the mobo adds the reader to the boot order list, and sometimes re-arranges my boot order, and has the card reader set to be the first in line to boot. I am not sure, but I think I was having the same issue when I plugged my reader directly into the USB 2 ports on the back of the mobo/case as well.
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Re: My boot order keeps changing!!!
« Reply #9 on: 02-April-08, 20:10:40 »

Your wellcome  :hat tip:

Do the ports on the back hace still that issue, gotta check that out first, otherwise unplug cardreader, might be conlicting with something and plug in when windows is loaded.  :)

Edit:
try disabling USB legacy support in BIOS, I think that's it ( I hope  :rolleyes: )
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Re: My boot order keeps changing!!!
« Reply #10 on: 02-April-08, 20:23:48 »



Edit:
try disabling USB legacy support in BIOS, I think that's it ( I hope  :rolleyes: )

Wouldn't that mess up my USB support within the operating system? I use a USB card reader, flash stick, and external hard drive.
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« Reply #11 on: 02-April-08, 20:25:39 »

Yep was reading about it right now, stupid me  :bonk:

If the problem persists I think it's your cardreader then or front ports misconnected since your backports work  :undecided:
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Re: My boot order keeps changing!!!
« Reply #12 on: 03-April-08, 03:43:48 »

If I plug in my card reader, and then go directly into the bios, and set the card reader to boot last, the settings will stick, as long as I keep the card reader plugged in. As soon as I disconnect it, and plug it back in, the card reader goes to the top of the list in the boot order. Once again I have to go in the bios and change the boot order. Same holds true with my USB thumb drive. The bios update did not change this behavior.
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Re: My boot order keeps changing!!!
« Reply #13 on: 03-April-08, 11:58:40 »

Are both your usb controllers on in bios, USB and USB2.0?
Especially USB 2.0 cause that one isnt in manual, but it is there in the BIOS  :think:
You can also try to set standby to [S3], if you don't have that already and enable resume from [S3] by USB ans see if that changes anything.
If you've already setup like that, disable wake up from [S3] by USB.
I dont know if it helps, but it won't hurt your pc, but those are the only usb options left in the bios  :undecided:
Keep us up to date  :hat tip: and succes :biggthumbsup:

Edit:
Do you see when your windows is loaded a red x or yellow questionmark in devicemanager, cause then you have something that's not working right or a conflict on an IRQ adress or so.
Be sure IOPAC is enabled too in BIOS.
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Re: My boot order keeps changing!!!
« Reply #14 on: 03-April-08, 16:02:18 »

If I plug in my card reader, and then go directly into the bios, and set the card reader to boot last, the settings will stick, as long as I keep the card reader plugged in. As soon as I disconnect it, and plug it back in, the card reader goes to the top of the list in the boot order. Once again I have to go in the bios and change the boot order. Same holds true with my USB thumb drive. The bios update did not change this behavior.

Just adjust your boot priority properly.
Connect all kind of devices which you got then adjust HDD boot priority too by your choice.

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« Reply #15 on: 04-April-08, 01:02:08 »

Are both your usb controllers on in bios, USB and USB2.0?
Especially USB 2.0 cause that one isnt in manual, but it is there in the BIOS  :think:


I see nothing about USB 2 in the bios. There is an option to enable or disable the USB controller, as well as legacy support.
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« Reply #16 on: 04-April-08, 17:36:59 »

Just adjust your boot priority properly.
Connect all kind of devices which you got then adjust HDD boot priority too by your choice.


By the way, this worked perfect. I just assumed that the bios would put any new plugged in items at the end of the boot order. That's how my other PC works. So, I just plugged in my card reader, and thumb drive, and then set them at the end of the boot order. The boot order stays that way even if I disconnect the reader, and plug it in later.

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« Reply #17 on: 04-April-08, 17:43:10 »

you are done well :)

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« Reply #18 on: 05-April-08, 13:14:06 »


Ok sorry for the misunderstanding, but I'm only trying to help :hat tip:
You can change your boot setting in your bios, second menu from top, enter, then choose boot order, enter, set in order you want with enter en cursorkeys, save with F10


Already had said it but apparently wouldnt listen   X-((
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« Reply #19 on: 25-May-08, 06:46:23 »

Hello.

I have an MSI P6N Platinum with BIOS version 1.5 (Current as of the time/date of this post).  The rest of the system specs are below.

My problem is that every time I insert some kind of drive, either SD card, external Hard Drive, new CD-ROM drive, internal Hard Drive, or anything else, the boot order resets to start from the new device. This wouldn't be a problem, except that if the BIOS detects an empty CD, or a hard drive without a boot partition, the system will hang, and have to be restarted, the boot order re-changed manually to have my RAID-0 Striped array be the 1st boot device, to get back into Windows.

Any ideas on how to keep the boot order from changing every time I add a new drive?

Thanks.

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Re: My boot order keeps changing!!!
« Reply #20 on: 26-May-08, 11:49:32 »

samperkins, when I replied to your first post of the topic you opened, I pointed you to a specific part of this thread that already contains suggestions that might help you solve your problem.  I did not want you to repeat here what you already said elsewhere.

Have you read this thread and tried the suggestion that helped Keizer? If not read it again and test!

http://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=115930.msg872213#msg872213

Just adjust your boot priority properly.
Connect all kind of devices which you got then adjust HDD boot priority too by your choice.


http://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=115930.msg872482#msg872482

By the way, this worked perfect. I just assumed that the bios would put any new plugged in items at the end of the boot order. That's how my other PC works. So, I just plugged in my card reader, and thumb drive, and then set them at the end of the boot order. The boot order stays that way even if I disconnect the reader, and plug it in later.

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Re: My boot order keeps changing!!!
« Reply #21 on: 30-May-08, 05:31:25 »

Thanks. I actually read that part, but it did not help, as I am constantly putting flash cards from cameras/mp3 players into my computer. I was hoping there was some setting to actually prevent the boot order from automatically switching (as it makes less computer-literate members of my household pretty much unable to use the computer any time I accidentally forget to leave the card, or another flash drive in the computer, the computer essentially won't boot).

Judging by this thread, and your response, there is apparently no solution at this time.

Again, thanks for the response.
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Re: My boot order keeps changing!!!
« Reply #22 on: 03-August-08, 22:07:07 »

I have a similar problem.  My bios boot device priority does not change (CD ROM, hard drive, floppy, etc), but under the hard drive sub-menu in bios the priority order keeps changing.  This list contains my primary hard drive with the boot sector and operating system, a secondary storage HD an external USB hard drive. I first noticed a problem when I restarted the computer and it wouldn't boot stating that "NTLDR is missing" - I assumed the primary drive was going bad but then I realized that bios was trying to boot the secondary storage HD because it was placed at the top of the list and not moving down the list if the drive was not recognized as bootable.  Sometimes the External USB hard drive is moved to the top of the list.   Usually my primary boot HD is moved to the bottom of the list.  Every time I rearrange the list and reboot - the order changes again.   If I disconnect the USB drive and the secondary drive everything works fine - the primary drive boots up first.   

Do you have any updates for your problem?
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Re: My boot order keeps changing!!!
« Reply #23 on: 04-August-08, 09:09:27 »

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