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« Reply #80 on: 02 November 08, 23:38:29 »

I would like to see 3 products priced for volume sales through OEM channels.

1. Media PC,19" wide component,  HDMI video and audio
2. Kitchen PC, itx, under the counter with touch screen.
3. Workbook PC, ruggedized 15" notebook for commercial applications, SSD drives.
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« Reply #81 on: 03 November 08, 00:00:39 »

I stopped buying MSI products.  I've always had little problems with them, the last one being a board that wouldn't boot up.  I've been building systems since I was a kid and after lots of troubleshooting of MSI products I decided not to purchase any more.  I've just had too many problems in the past with MSI.

That being said, I think MSI needs to put some serious time into QA.

Next, software.  I hate software that comes with system boards.  Things like Windows-based BIOS updating....this is just rediculous.  Try those in Vista and enjoy your toasted BIOS.  MSI - Get rid of extra software.  Your LiveUpdate is a good product, just make sure it works and for the love of god get rid of Windows-based flashing, just make a bootable .iso or floppy image instead.

Next-gen products.  Someone said a consumer-grade LTO drive.  THis is a great idea.  I want to backup my music, video, software collection but there isn't anything out there that's reasonably priced.  I invested in a subscription-based online backup just because it was so easy to use compared to setting up my own based on ancient scsi tape drives.

How about an "elite" line of products.  A line that isn't flashy, doesn't contain extra "stuff" like bloatware, flashing lights, etc.  Products should be as small as possible, as quiet as possible, use better parts and better layouts.  It should also have a better warranty.

Lastly - build up your community and be a part of it.  These forums are a great idea.  Give out prizes to people that provide content on the forum.  Don't let sales or marketing get too involved...if the community thinks you have a product that stinks let them talk about it, take that free feedback and put it to good use.
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« Reply #82 on: 03 November 08, 00:11:39 »

Having been a solid user of MSI mainboard products over several years, I think the most valuable feature that can be added is an instant on feature, similar, but better to ASUS Express Gate technology, but perhaps using a Windows kernel instead of Linux.  Also, a means to keep the system updated with minimal user intervention.

In addition:
* - Software tools that work within Vista ie: update applet
* - wireless g & n built in as well as bluetooth
* - diagnostic display at BIOS level
* - better way to connect front panel cables

Just a few thoughts, hope they help.

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« Reply #83 on: 03 November 08, 00:24:09 »

My requests for motherboards(AMD):

*Reset/Power/Clear CMOS buttons.
*LCD poster on high end models.
*Better Power System for CPU, 8-Phase power system for high end models, and 5-phase for low-end and middle-range models.(Plus 140W CPU support for all new AMD boards.)
*More Overclocking Bios options!.
*Better Compatibility for add-on SCSI/SAS/SATA2 controllers.
*More AMD Based boards (AMD 790FX+SB750, AMD 780G+SB750 Chipset).
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« Reply #84 on: 03 November 08, 00:36:43 »

I expect for next generation of MSI products HI STABILITY AND HI RELIABILITY!!! Because in last years there are many-many-many problems (software problems with BIOS) with MSI motherboards (series P35, MS-7365, MS-7360) what I have tested many pieces from these motherboard series.
Older products up to 2004 year were very good quality (graphics cards, and motherboards), but last years there is very poor quality in MSI products (motherboards mostly) Sad((
MSI need improve their products quality!!! There is not important nice package, nice paints on boxes and packages, but there is VERY IMPORTANT HIGH QUALITY OF THE PRODUCTS, BUT ON HW AND ALSO SW PART OF THE PRODUCTS!!!
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« Reply #85 on: 03 November 08, 00:41:14 »

Only hardware and software (driver) stability is enough. Zero problems would be perfect, I don't care if this would be an expensive buy for me. I want the best and I pay for the best, nothing less and no quality refunds in any part produced.
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« Reply #86 on: 03 November 08, 00:55:51 »

Not sure if it's been stated yet or not, I didn't see it, but with the home theater PCs getting more and more popular, please oh please make a digital audio coax connector standard on all boards.  HDMI is nice too, but if you are building a really great HTPC, you will use a plug in card that can do better than on-board graphics, so you need the digital audio separate.  For the graphic card manufacturers reading this, PLEASE start making cards with HDMI connectors on them.  Including the adapter is nice and all, but when you use the adapter and then plug the HDMI cable into the back of the computer, you have something sticking off the back of the computer 6 inches.  Not good for most installations.  With Vista including Media Center in two of their four version, more and more people are looking to use their computers for entertainment.  Please start thinking digital audio.
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« Reply #87 on: 03 November 08, 01:00:53 »

i would like to see a mobo with multi processor support like the mac pro logic boards and a board with no built in audio or graphics to make high end boards affordable as people end up adding in there own graphics and sound cards and more ram support also built in wifi which dosn't take up a pci slot coz on the k9a2 its either 4 graphics cards or you have to remove a card to use a pci device such as wifi cards also i think that the pci slots should be moved from the graphics slots somehow but liking the work so far

Rock on agree lol
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« Reply #88 on: 03 November 08, 01:07:06 »

And new mobo screws in the box as well.
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« Reply #89 on: 03 November 08, 01:23:05 »

Yes i agree i would really like to see TWO IDE Controllers on the high end motherboards and low end.
The reason i want two is the legacy support for DVD Writers and IDE Hard disks for some backup .. etc and also for some old hardware support.
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I would also like to see a "switch" in bios like in the 975X Platinum PowerUp Edition that let's you use native/AHCI/Primary IDE/Secondary sata etc.. strorage devices so user can use an old version of ghost or other program that doesn't support sata disks or more than two disk controllers.
This bios setup then let's you choose sata1 for primary ide device and secondary ide device as secondary ide device and therefore system sees only two mixed ide controllers even if it's sata or only ide or just mixed mode.

And also a 3 PCI standard slots or one PCI-X (not PCIe) and some PCIe.
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« Reply #90 on: 03 November 08, 01:33:37 »

Mainboards with more options when it comes to connectors / intergrated functions:

Vary the south bridge, so more/less Sata / IDE / SAS is possible, make versions with or without legacy / "new" connectors. State clearly on the box what the different versions are and offer for the entire series (P45 model XY - has : ... .... ... - Compare with P45 model XZ, XX etc.)

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Notebooks which can be ordered, customized and personalized online (CPU type, memory, OS, graphic card (if possible), Harddrive space, custom tags / prints / colours).

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A safer flash option:

Flashable from bios it's self, while reading the file from harddisc, usb drive, CD or any other connected medium.
Better checksum function to protect from using the wrong bios.

More bios options, with better explainations of what they do. (add USB power management, CPU voltage control: "Save / unsafe value's based on installed core, intergrated memtest?)

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Especially for future developments: Updated list with compatible memory, as DDR3 is still in development,  and it might be hard to get the right memory running at optimal speeds.

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More advertisements that show "actual" results from users / test series. MSI preforms very well overal, why not show it more often.
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« Reply #91 on: 03 November 08, 01:44:49 »

motherboards and components that work together/ example would be i have an MSI 9600 GS0 as a starting card for my new MSI k9n2 Diamond mother board.
The 9600 GSO has screws that mount the fan, they stick out so they hit the cooling fins on the K9n2 diamond. better placement would mean that if you buy all MSI products there will be no problems with  Other MSI Components. clearance, stability, value, etc. If MSI concentrated on how things are positioned on there mother boards. More people I believe will be apt to buy them. More room around CPU for large heat sinks/ better placement of sata for  the big cards maybe on an edge where they are not in direct line with any thing else. Grin idea
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« Reply #92 on: 03 November 08, 01:50:19 »

about future notebooks:
My dream would be sincerely a notebook (like for example PR210) with another design and aluminium body like new MacBook Apple to be solid.
The bad points about new MacBook are: not enough USB ports, no SD card slot.

What would be excellent for future MSI notebooks:
- aluminium 'one' body (solid, lighter and designed to be the most beautiful notebook!)
- 16/9 LED screen (with true glass for protection) in 13"
- MiniDisplay port (open licence), and/or HDMI (forget old VGA port!)
- designed auto-backlighted keyboard
- Wifi N and Bluetooth
- AMD Puma processor!
and integrated webcam, SD card slot, etc...

If you could do that, woooow!!!...

And I'll forget...

- a good graphic card really made for mobility like nVidia GeForce 9400M (because my ATI Radeon XPress 1200 is really poor!! angry)

And LED screen and graphic card ready for HD. ;)
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« Reply #93 on: 03 November 08, 02:47:50 »

I would like to see the industry finally standardize the pinouts/connectors on PC cases and motherboards for hooking up the various jacks (USB, firewire, audio, etc) commonly built onto the fronts of cases.  It really sucks when you buy a great motherboard and a great case with convenient front jacks, only to find out the pinouts on the cables and on the motherboard don't match up at all so you can't use them.

I would like to see more USB ports, more Firewire ports, and more PCIe slots built onto the motherboard.  On my home system, I have a USB webcam, a USB keyboard, a USB mouse, two USB game controllers, a USB printer, a UPS unit that monitors via USB, and a USB scanner, all of which I leave plugged in all the time -- and I also have a USB Logitech Harmony remote, a USB digital camera, an iPod (USB), and a Firewire digital camcorder, each of which I need to be able to conveniently plug in only when I need to.  That's 8 always-connected USB devices, plus others I plug in as-needed.  Most modern motherboards only have 6 USB ports built on, which isn't nearly enough... so then you either have to eat up a valuable PCIe slot with a USB card to add more jacks, or you have to use external powered USB hubs which dangle all over the place adding more cable mess.

I would like to see better RAM compatibility.  I hate it when you buy RAM that is supposed to work on a motherboard (all the specs match what the motherboard claims to require), and yet the RAM just won't work on that motherboard, even though it tests fine on other systems using memtest86+.  What good are published specs if they aren't enough information to guarantee compatibility?!?  A motherboard should never refuse to work with perfectly good RAM that meets the published requirements.

I would like to see open-source support for the SATA-RAID "fakeRAID" controllers built onto motherboards.  It's still not possible for open-source operating systems such as Linux to deal with those SATA volumes as easily as Windows can, because the Windows drivers are proprietary and closed.  Either use full SATA-RAID controllers on the motherboard, or publish your specs and open-source the windows drivers.

I know MSI doesn't have total control over all of these things, but as a major player int he PC hardware industry, you must have at least some ability to influence things like these, at least by setting good examples with your own products.



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« Reply #94 on: 03 November 08, 02:59:58 »

I would like to see more Dr. Mos, also have better sound chips for platinum boards, for me now using a P45 Platinum board with Q9550. Better placement of sata ports as some of my sata ports is blocked by the graphics card, as for the X1 PCI slot, if it is possible can place at above the 16X slot coz some of us is using 4850 a very hot card.
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« Reply #95 on: 03 November 08, 04:16:55 »

MSI has some good products and some very good prices but I want to see MSI do more with quality control and reliablity.
Stopped using MSI OEM products 7 years ago in business application and consulting based system builds. And every now and then I buy an MSI product for myself based on features and each and every time I have encountered hardware issues. These stem from DOA's to subtle faults that takes months of arguing with retailers to get replacements. Last try was a K9n Diamond which worked like a dream for 2 months and then started blue screening in games... Retailers and wholesalers trying to tell me it was my $950 XFX 8800 ultra causing it... and after 3 months I get a replacement! Too bad so sad that replacement has been gathering dust for a year+.

Now I like MSI as a brand and would like to start using the products again. However I am not willing to go through all that when I can pay a little more and grab Asus, XFX, DFI, or eVGA. This by no means takes anything off the nose of MSI when it comes to other products though! Video cards and the like I have only ever had 2 or 3 issues with and would recomend them to anyone over many brand because of the price. I always buy XFX and MSI for video cards depending on the use.

So apart from the needed QA and reliablity hike in MSI motherboards I would like to see more gaming specialization like Asus' RoG(Republic of Gamers) series. You have your Diamond series but they just don't stack up to the competition.

On baord sound with you guys is very good in your more expensive models but I would like to see more ... Gamers are pedantic about sound... I have a 7.2 channel 1700watt Sony MUTEKI digital home theatre and I want CRYSTAL CLEAR sound. I want EAX5.0+ and I want Dolby- DTS, Pro Logic, NEO 6, Pro Logic IIx - And THX certification. I have a blu-ray player/burner and I could not harness that sound with ANY of MSI's current motherboards without a separate sound card.

Onboard graphics could use some beefing up chipset wise on notebooks and midranged gaming mobo's... some HD4*** series ATI or 9*** series nVidia chipsets would be nice.

High end mobo's need better benching features for enthusiasts... produce a "plug-in LCD/Cotrol panel" combo unit that you just plug in and it had LCD read out for diags and power, reset, bios reset buttons. What a feature that would be... eat your heart out Asus RoG. BIOS needs more/better overclocking functions. BIOS's in general are not feature rich enough ... especially on entry level stuff.

Draft N wireless and Blue-tooth are standards now ... why not make them standard in midranged and up motherboards? Produce them on a board minus the IDE channels if you are looking for space. No one uses IDE in new systems builds(well very rarely).

Custom built Laptops and I'm talking online custom like Dell but without the double the overall price with each component added. I would buy all my laptops through MSI if they did that. Component level customization for anything interchangable.

Lots more to say but I've given enough to chew on in the mean time.  mad

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« Reply #96 on: 03 November 08, 04:21:56 »

Hi two items.
One is improved I/O call handling.  It's ridiculous that we still suffer through lockups if there is a hardware problem and an I/O call is made.

Second, a laptop useable for gaming.  Maybe one with a dock that has a video card slot (for card change outs) to get high end graphics while docked, and normal laptop capability when not. Best of both words in one product.
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« Reply #97 on: 03 November 08, 04:41:27 »

  I have been building budget performance Computers since 1998.  I have always liked using MSI or Abit.

    The Best AMD Boards I have ever used: ABIT AN9 32XM socket am2, MSI K8N Neo4-F socket 939, MSI M8MM3-V socket 754, and now the K9A2 CF v2  socket am2+.

    I would suggest that a 790x or gx budget platform be built witha full 32x crossfire link (using just two 16x pci-express lanes.  

    I really like the DKA790GX and the K9A2 CF v2 however the DKA790GX needs more spice other than hybrid crossfire with graphics and esata.  Why not a full 2 crossfire links 140 watt support 16x pci-e lanes without the onboard graphics?  Add 140 watt support and IEEE1394 / FireWire ports.   DKA790GX is the same board as the K9A2 CF v2 with and new south bridge a 140 watt support.

   Other than that, the K9A2 CF v2 is a very well put board for the retail price, so a upgrade from there would be a 32x with IEEE1394 / FireWire ports.  
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« Reply #98 on: 03 November 08, 06:31:18 »

Running one of MSI's newest boards, the DKA790GX Platinum, I believe this board has answered some of the issues that are being requested like the SATA ports moved so video cards don't cover them and reset and CMOS clear buttons on the board.  This board has moved the SATA ports out of the way except for that one oddball one that is facing up.  What's with that anyway?  I do think there needs to be more than three fan connectors with today's computer cases.  At least four, maybe five with enough power on the board to run them.  On the software end, why not include the USB bios updater that's used on the forums here as part of the software package?  Speaking of software packages, we need some quality control on these.  I wasn't the only one who's board had an MSI Extras disk included with nothing on it.  That doesn't evoke a lot of confidence in a company when things like that get by.
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« Reply #99 on: 03 November 08, 07:03:36 »

i would definitely like to see big endian onboard graphics controllers in the new series . grin..

i have been a user of the msi motherboard for just over 5 years agree agree ...

the only problem i faced was when switching over to windows vista ..... so reliabilty is an essential factor and the good work by MSI should be kept up even while adding mind boggling new features ....

in the end high endian features are good but it all comes to reliabilty ..... it is so for me atleast ...

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« Reply #100 on: 03 November 08, 07:38:29 »

Do whatever you want just make sure that someone spends time on creating XP drivers for the harware.
Some of us still think that Vista is a Gimmick.
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« Reply #101 on: 03 November 08, 08:05:21 »

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MSI OC graphic cards are often hardly overclocked at all. A good example is the new Radeon HD 4830 series, both OC cards feature just a 10 MHz overclock on the GPU. No user (MSI user or otherwise) expects to get some real benefit from 10 MHz, so they move on to other manufacturers. MSI VGA cards could do with some lower pricing (compared to the competition) as well, most cards are relatively expensive...

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MSI is doing a great job on useful motherboard features, like DrMos and the new EFI BIOS releases for P45/X58 boards. Keep it up! In the AMD section, please design a refresh of the K9A2 Platinum with the AMD 790FX + SB750 chipset. The K9A2 Platinum is a great board, but it has some serious issues with the Promise and SB600 hard drive controllers when using multiple bootable RAID arrays. The 790GX is a good line up, but it lacks some high end features like the Promise SAS controller.

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« Reply #102 on: 03 November 08, 08:23:08 »

Micro and Star are OK, but more International! Bundled softwares were unusable with Hunagrian local (not even English text, but squares instead of characters)... TV card software sets wrong TV-standard for Hungary, and there was no possibility to change it...
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« Reply #103 on: 03 November 08, 09:12:14 »

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Guys
Maybe some remarks from me.
I would like to see less amount boards. It is just to counfusing. Less chipsets. Just the best one and make less boards but each board a really good one. i don't mind paying the extra £, € or Dollar but let's get a MOBO that is excelent
Min requirements
4 PCIe x16 or 2 can be used as x8 or x4 or x2
2 PCIe x 4 or can be used as x2 or x1
8 SATA and 2 eSATA all RAID  0,1,5,6,10,JBOD
2x Ethernet
1x WLAN n
USB 3
IEEE1394 b
Sound header that goes out the back but also to front and if front is used as headphone back switches off.
CPU area built in such a way so you can use big Heat sinks.(Zalman,etc) Notto collide with RAM or Build RAm so that FAN's can also cool RAM.
 big Heat sinks.(Zalman,etc) Not to collide with RAM or Build RAM so that FAN's can also cool RAM.
maybe a bit much but put your thinking caps on.
That's what I have to do all day
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« Reply #104 on: 03 November 08, 09:14:22 »

Better Linux support especially a way to update BIOS without M$ windows. I had to install updater onto a usb stick on a different MSI computer running vista and go through the scary process of unzipping my own bios onto the stick, boot and then manually run the flash program. Why can't MSI offer an image which Linux users can write to a usb stick or cdrom to perform a live update or at least safely flash a downloaded bios?
Otherwise I'm very happy with my 945GCM7 and for information of another poster the power cable is far away from the I/O ports and airflow. I also run an MSI GeForce 6200 TurboCache(TM)
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« Reply #105 on: 03 November 08, 09:16:06 »

I have always been a proud owner of MSI products, but do see where several others may choose another brand. Firstly the manuals are almost the most poorly written that I have seen, even pchhips manuals are more comprehensive. Second, don't hide options in the bios, if someone is wandering in there by accident there is already enough to mess up anyways, why hide options, and then not list such in the manual. I have always liked having the option of dynamic overclocking (although I have rarely used it) and think that it is a good option but never actually seems to be totally cut off and causes some overclocking stability issues. Use more of the DRmos and Circupipe solutions as they remove the need for a small noisy fan. Better driver support, More testing of bioses and products before release (seen too many that needed bios right out of the box), Use edge connectors more to allow clearance for cards. Black PCB would look nice? Keep revisions of a board to a minimum, if it can't be fixed with a bios update rename to a completely different model to cut down on the v1 v1.2 v2 confusion that comes along with that. If you are going to stick with integrated sound atleast create your own solution to use less cpu, support more features, and sound better. I also just as an Idea wish there were a way to make I/O ports selectable on the boards as peoples use of these are different and there is always something missing. Overall I am pretty happy with tech support as I have rarely needed it, but very helpful when I did. And if none of these help, just continue to make quality products using quality parts and you'll never go wrong in my book.
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« Reply #106 on: 03 November 08, 10:32:43 »

My wish list:

- There should be Linux drivers, preferably merged with the official kernel source. Just require the hardware suppliers to developing the drivers or supply the hardware specs would have the desired result. My MSI L735 notebook hardware was well supported, with one exception, the webcam, so it should not be too difficult to accomplish.

- Fast boot (e.g. like splashtop). Having a fast boot to a small OS with a browser, voip, email, media player and system testing and recovery tools would be a significant step forward, especially for notebooks. In a year or so I'm going to buy a new one and this feature is a must have.

- Better power saving support. Just use the hardware power saving features to the max.

-  Better battery life. I can dream...

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« Reply #107 on: 03 November 08, 10:49:45 »

- More Nvidia boards (I love'em)
- More boards for special purpose.

- Media board with everything onboard
Dual output DVI and HDMI with audio integrated and 1080p of course
IR receiver & transmitter onboard
Onboard WIFI option
Energy friendly to get rid of fans
Many fan control options
Energy saving options, that can underclock things on the motherboard when not in use.
OS in BIOS with MPEG2/DVD/DivX/MP3 support
Onboard flashcard reader to run os from flashcard

- Office board
Board with very slim design
Low energy consumption
Onboard WIFI option
Many fan control options

- Gamer board
MicroATX with 1/2 PCI-E x16
Good voltage regulation
heatpipe cooling

Well, thats just some of the idears I have had  bonk
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« Reply #108 on: 03 November 08, 11:11:42 »

I would love to see a HIGH END MB Without GFX and Sound on the board. Also possibly with just S-ATA connections as well (or better) (and at least 4 connectors, maybe alot more).
I would also love to see more FAN connectors, and possibly a Watercooling MB with connectors for pump controller, temperatur probes and such.

I would also love to see a HTPC type MB (m-ATX or similar) with integrated good GFX capable of excellent blu-ray video, and soundcard capable of cinematic 7.1 sound and a HDMI 1.3 connection that would link together both sound and gfx. Also with fast HDD controllers. And most important, a silent cooling system, based on watercooling or heatpipes does not matter, but should be easy AND silent to get the heat out of the cabinet, and easy to clean the dust off, preferably from the OUTSIDE of the cabinet...

For GFX cards I would love to see more Watercooled cards, maybe with special connectors to a Watercooling MB as well (for monitoring and such).

Sound cards with good SPU's (Sound Processing Unit) capable of hardware accelerating both games and movies into 7.1 sound.

Network cards with skilled processors that can make your network connection better, and possibly be able to put priority to a certain program (game for example) and let all the other in the family wanting to copy music wait for a free time...

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« Reply #109 on: 03 November 08, 11:20:11 »

Linux support, more spacing between Memory slots on the higher end boards for memory with coolers.

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« Reply #110 on: 03 November 08, 12:22:33 »

For gaming notebooks it would be nice to get a free cooler when buying, MSI cooler, or just improve the cooling system.
The drivers for notebooks should be more updated on their main sites, because people usually look for drivers there, than somewhere else.

If the MSI will keep on going just like it is now, than everything should be just fine biggthumbsup
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« Reply #111 on: 03 November 08, 12:32:37 »

I would like to see more online vendors in the UK / Europe stocking high end MSI products, both Motherboards and Graphics cards. While the value ranges are stocked I have not yet been able to purchase a high-end ATi graphics card or specialist MB (could not find K9ND Speedster 2 MB anywhere!).

I have also been disappointed with the newer MB's as BIOS tweaking is limited and Phenom support on early K9A2 boards was poor. So I guess the Next Generation of products have to be a step up in order for me to consider MSI as a platform for future high performace systems.
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« Reply #112 on: 03 November 08, 13:04:21 »

What do you expect for next generation of MSI products ? Such as MB, VGA, NB, Barebone....etc. biggthumbsup



From the MB to have more pci slots 2 are not enought /// 1 wifi card one  sound card and and one  for tv card but there 2 onle spaces Smiley))

More product for amd and ati chip !!!

Better way to download the drivers with only one software to download and from there to donwload what is need and what is update for the protuch automatic/

Less noice for the MB and for the GC
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« Reply #113 on: 03 November 08, 15:31:01 »

I have a few suggestions on how MSI can improve:

1) Provide much better cooling for the bugdet boards. Not everyone can afford the high end Platinum or Diamond boards. My boards' chipset is seriously overheating. I'm quite serious that you will be able to burn yourself if you touch the chipset heatsink for too long. I had to stick on old Pentium 1 cooler on it, and it helped a bit.

2)You can improve the layout of boards a bit by:
a) Moving the SATA ports somewhere else. I've seen boards where they tend to get in the way of the GFX card. If the GFX card uses a double slot cooler, you won't be able to use the SATA ports.
b) Move the RAM a bit more away from the CPU socket, since big aftermarket CPU don't fit with RAM that has it's own cooler.
c) Integrated Wireless would be a good idea, since some of your boards only have 1 pci-e slot.
d) Sometimes the floppy drive port is unreachable under the bottom PCI-e slot.

3) Improve your technical support. I'm very sorry to say it but the technical support at http://ocss.msi.com.tw/ is sometimes very poor. The people doesn't give me technical support, but stupid answers which doesn't help me a bit. Technical means advanced. For example I have already done the basic troubleshooting steps, and I don't what them to tell me to reset the BIOS switch and unplug the power if the problem is a bug in the BIOS chip.

4) Documentation can be improved by giving MUCH more detail about the features on the board and in the BIOS.

5) BIOS support can be improved. Last time I requested for a bug/option to be fixed in the BIOS they blankly refused. I had to ask very nicely for very long before they decided to make the BIOS update.

6) Make DDR3 boards less expensive. The RAM itself is already very expensive, and the fact that the boards are also doesn't help. To make a DDR3 board CAN'T be more expensive than to make a DDR2 board.

7) It would be nice if more boards supported DDR2 and DDR3, like the MSI X48C Platinum.

8) Keep the website up-to-date with all the newer BIOS releases.

9) But otherwise, MSI products are priced good, and deliver good value for money. Keep it up! biggthumbsup
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« Reply #114 on: 03 November 08, 16:11:22 »

MoBo's : Better active & passive cooling solutions, better placed connectors, Dual Bios for fail-safe upgrade,

Vid: Better cooling, less power consumption,
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« Reply #115 on: 03 November 08, 17:18:06 »

I would like to see full support for GNU/Linux drivers. To the extent of working with the GNU/Linux community for fixing bugs, and working on releasing new features. To the extent of proper in-kernel drivers for all devices MSI produces.

I would also like to see the boot-to-linux environment that MSI was working on long ago, with the Linux BIOS. Perhaps within that enable the OS to boot as a true VM, enabling the user to reboot a lot faster simply by rebooting the VM, instead of rebooting the whole machine.

I'll post some more ideas later.
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« Reply #116 on: 03 November 08, 17:26:34 »

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Better bios and better memory performance.

And non-reference video cards.  These things are getting so long they block SATA ports, interfere for memory clips, etc.  The ability to market a shorter then reference video card with a custom cooler will get the card get noticed and purchased by those that don't want to rearrange (or buy a new mobo/case) their entire case to fit a 250mm nVidia or ATi card
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« Reply #117 on: 03 November 08, 18:35:19 »

A)- Completely silent systems - no fans

B)- Highly configurable laptops - i.e. Changeable GPU module

C)- For Motherboards: plug-in handheld modules for monitoring temps/volts/speed etc without the need for additional software
                               Inter-operability with crossfire and SLI - i.e. one motherboard can take either nvidia SLI or ATI crossfire setups
                               Creative X-Fi (with 64MB-XRAM) with SPDIF/Co-ax output builtin.
                               Better placed SATA connectors so not obscured by large graphics card
                               100% accurate voltage readings (not differing in bios and software etc)
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« Reply #118 on: 03 November 08, 19:25:54 »

I would like to see MSI use a much better quality of fan for cooling graphic boards.  They seem to be very noisy and don't last very long.

Also, would like to ask that MSI provide the same or better service as currently provided.  I called the MSI service center, and was shipped a replacement fan without any hassles, only paid for shipping !!!!  Keep this service alive and well.

Would like to see a much better explanation of memory modules and how to apply them to the motherboard.  Tried to build my own computer a couple of years ago and couldn't get the memory modules to work, kept getting a BSOD ( winXP ) and had to take the computer to the shop.  They tech said that all he did was try another memory module.  This was the third memory module to be put into this motherboard.  I  can't believe this is all that was done to fix the problem.

Would like to see MSI provide tips on building your own computer using their parts.

With the economy the way it is, if the quality, service, and knowhow is provided, you can't go wrong.

Agree with other comments regarding the design of graphic cards so they don't interfere with other components.

Ask your distributors what you can do for them to make life easier.  I initially approached my local computer shop that uses MSI alot, regarding the fan issue and they were way off in left field about which fan would work.  They had some in stock, but didn't have a clue about which exact fan was on my motherboard, yes, they did have on record which motherboard I had purchased.  I resolved the issue myself, via the www at the MSI website.

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« Reply #119 on: 03 November 08, 19:39:08 »


I would like to see a range of products specially made for the custom builders/overclockers and a online store for parts..etc in Europe or Azia. 
With these great forums, MSI can observe this 'growing' market and get great ideas for launching future products.

The range of custom/oc mobo's should have:
  • bare (no audio/video chipsets)
  • well placed powerconnectors (near powersupply and not near I/O)
  • well placed s-ata ports (it's hard to swap or add when all your drives are blocking the ports)
  • power/reset/clear cmos buttons standard (as in P7N Diamond)
  • good quality s-ata cables (they are cheap so please don't cut costs on them)
  • well placed I-DE....not on the bottom or it's I-DE cable hell to get there...(maybe leave legacy out of this range)

Custom/oc videocards should have :
  • easily removable cooler
  • well placed powerconnectors

And so on...
I believe this market will keep on growing in spite of the economic slow down. 

Also if you could link the online shop to this... wich provides a range of coolers/cables/cards/cases/leds/lcd's/....
I like the fact i can customize everything in my pc...else I would have bought an Apple...

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