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Boot order changing
« on: 10-June-10, 22:21:35 »

Saw a couple posts of this issue already but they had slight differences.  Mine keep changing randomly when windows does and upgrade.  And I have to set all of my boot devices to my main drive and give it no other option or it won't find it.  Gives me the run.DLL error otherwise.  Just curious why it changes back when windows does and upgrade really.  Other than that I don't mind having to set all boot options to the one hard drive.  Anyone else having similar problems?
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Re: Boot order changing
« Reply #1 on: 10-June-10, 22:51:17 »

I don't quite follow when you say, 'when windows does and upgrade'. Are you saying the boot order changes after running Windows Update?
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« Reply #2 on: 10-June-10, 22:53:17 »

Yeah, last night windows had done an update and was restarting.  When I came in this morning it was telling me to choose proper boot device.  I went into bios and they were all changed around.  Does this whenever windows does update.
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Re: Boot order changing
« Reply #3 on: 10-June-10, 22:59:18 »

Do you know what was installed with the update? (You can check this by viewing the Windows Update history)
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Re: Boot order changing
« Reply #4 on: 10-June-10, 23:00:27 »

Right now I do not because I am at work, but it does this every time windows does an update and restart is required.
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Re: Boot order changing
« Reply #5 on: 10-June-10, 23:26:43 »

 Does the boot order change only when you get a re-start with Windows update? It doesn't change with normal re-start or shutdown and cold boot? See what happens if you set updates to download but notify you to install them and restart yourself.
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« Reply #6 on: 10-June-10, 23:37:16 »

Yeah normal restart and cold boot are fine.  Just when windows has the restart required to finish updates.  Even if I do it manually or let windows countdown and restart it will do it.
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Re: Boot order changing
« Reply #7 on: 11-June-10, 00:07:48 »

Also sorry should have put this in the ATI section. 
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Re: Boot order changing
« Reply #8 on: 11-June-10, 00:22:09 »

Connect all kind of storages that you have.
Then go to BIOS and adjust them by desired way, and "SAVE AND EXIT".
After this if the problem persist, test each one HDD's with manufacturer diagnostic tool

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« Reply #9 on: 11-June-10, 00:44:43 »

Ok, will run diagnostic when I get home on all of them to make sure they are good. 
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« Reply #10 on: 11-June-10, 06:01:09 »

Well ran diagnostics on all drives and they were all fine. 



Here are the updates windows did last night.  Maybe update my BIOS? Gonna go check my version real quick.
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« Reply #11 on: 11-June-10, 06:28:43 »

Checked BIOS version, and I had 1.6.  Used liveupdate 4 and said it was installing 1.C, but somehow got me down to 1.10.  So guess that didn't work.
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Re: Boot order changing
« Reply #12 on: 11-June-10, 07:19:18 »

First, do not use Live Update.  Flashing within Windows is very risky.  Second, 1.10, One point Ten, is 1.A.  Don't go just updating the bios in hopes that it will solve an issue.  If you do need to update the bios, use the Forum Utility designed and tested here.  >>Use the MSI HQ Forum USB flasher<<

Let's try to figure out what's going on first before doing any more flashing.   
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Re: Boot order changing
« Reply #13 on: 11-June-10, 18:28:05 »

Well the problem is sporadic so I guess I will have to wait till Windows does another update where restart is required.   
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Re: Boot order changing
« Reply #14 on: 11-June-10, 18:32:52 »

Bad cable or drive not initializing quick enough.
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Bas brings up a good point.  Try replacing the cable...would be a cheap fix if the issue.
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« Reply #16 on: 11-June-10, 21:07:33 »

Not to question the experts, but I fail to see where a bad cable on 1 hard drive would make my whole boot order change after a windows update.  My main hard drive is my only boot device.  And after update it puts them all back on their in random order.  Pretty sure something software is wrong not hardware.
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« Reply #17 on: 11-June-10, 21:47:31 »

Never seen Windows doing this.
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« Reply #18 on: 11-June-10, 22:43:29 »

Yeah me either, I have seen problems not detecting boot devices before.  But to go from my main drive being the only 1 selected to choose from to adding all of them back in there in random order is quite strange.
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« Reply #19 on: 11-June-10, 22:44:32 »

Its a small annoyance that only occurs one and awhile.  If it did it every time I restarted I would be more upset, I was just seeing if any others had the same sort of issue. 
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« Reply #20 on: 11-June-10, 22:49:59 »

Yeah me either, I have seen problems not detecting boot devices before.  But to go from my main drive being the only 1 selected to choose from to adding all of them back in there in random order is quite strange.

Where in a random order?
You mean in the BIOS in the boot-order list?
If you flash a BIOS it's normal that it happens, I do recall you played with it a few post back.
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« Reply #21 on: 11-June-10, 22:58:46 »

I don't see how the boot order within the bios can be changed from a Windows Update--from a bios flash, yes, but not a Windows OS Update.
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Re: Boot order changing
« Reply #22 on: 11-June-10, 23:09:52 »

Where in a random order?
You mean in the BIOS in the boot-order list?
If you flash a BIOS it's normal that it happens, I do recall you played with it a few post back.

Yeah in the BIOS under boot order, normally I only have my main drive listed.  But the other night and previous nights after windows did an upgrade and needed to be restarted to finish.  Something changed my BIOS boot order and listed all my drives again same as if I had done a BIOS flash.  Which I didn't until last night and it was expected they would change.
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« Reply #23 on: 13-June-10, 01:24:28 »

Poor battery? Poor cable? Cables interfering with one another?

You can hit F11 during first BIOS screen to tell BIOS exactly what boot device you would like it to present to Windows.

Windows update does not have anything to do with this, but the restart just might.

One possible troubleshooting measure could be to disconnect all but the boot disk with Windows.
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« Reply #24 on: 13-June-10, 22:39:51 »

Well if it happens again after an update I will check it out.  Like I said it only does it then, so not really that annoying of a problem.
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« Reply #25 on: 23-June-10, 18:47:26 »

Well it happened again, Windows did some updates last night with restart required and my computer was sitting on the hal.dll error this morning.  Had to go back into the BIOS and change the boot order back.  These are the updates it installed.



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« Reply #26 on: 23-June-10, 20:30:02 »

Strange! I fail to see how Windows would affect and reset BIOS boot order. Still think it has to do with the restart per se.

Ordinary rebooting makes absolutely no difference? Try a few five times, please. Even a cold start.

None of the other disks has an OS?
All BIOS udates you done were completed successfully?
No other BIOS settings are affected, so you get a Checksum Error message?
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Re: Boot order changing
« Reply #27 on: 23-June-10, 22:07:17 »

Yeah normal restarts and cold boots are fine.  I will try a few more when I get home, but have never had a problem with those.  And yes the 1 BIOS upgrade I did was fine with no issues.  I get no other errors just the dll because my boot order is all screwed up.  And no I have no other OS's on any of the hard drives. One thing that was weird today after I went in and changed my boot order back to just my main drive and restarted.  It wouldn't boot and I went back in and it had set another hard drive as my only boot.  So had to change it once more and restart and it was fine.  It seems like its only when Windows does and upgrade where a restart is required to finish the updates and once it restarts it finishes the update.  That is when the boot order changes.  Again like everyone said and I feel myself I don't see how windows would affect my BIOS boot order, but it is.
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Re: Boot order changing
« Reply #28 on: 23-June-10, 22:22:00 »

Are your external USB HDDs plugged in when the 'boot order changes'?

Plug in all your external drives, enter BIOS and then set the boot order priority as you want. Save and then exit.

If an external HDD is set as default boot device, when it is disconnected, BIOS won't try to boot from it first, but if you restart your PC (eg when Windows updates itself) with this drive connected, then your boot order may 'appear' to change, as BIOS now finds this drive and attempts to boot from it.

That is the only explanation I can think of. Windows cannot alter any BIOS settings to change boot priority.

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Re: Boot order changing
« Reply #29 on: 23-June-10, 22:33:51 »

Yeah hard drives are connected at all times.  Normally I only select my main hard drive for all my boot options.  So when the issue occurs BIOS throws all of them back in.  So pretty obvious something is being changed.  I am going to try a clear CMOS just to get things fresh.  Will that take my BIOS back to the original one?
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Re: Boot order changing
« Reply #30 on: 23-June-10, 22:53:24 »

 No it will not change BIOS version, all clear CMOS does is reset BIOS to default settings of whatever the current BIOS is.
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Re: Boot order changing
« Reply #31 on: 23-June-10, 23:29:37 »

Oh, then I guess that woudn't really do anything for me.
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Re: Boot order changing
« Reply #32 on: 25-September-10, 23:34:56 »

So I am still having this issue and it now does it from a hard boot from computer being turned off.  The only time it does not do it is when a restart is performed.  I have tried a different cable, I have changed the sata port the hard drive is on, I tried giving BIOS a password so changes could not be made, I changed the battery for the mobo.  It's like BIOS isn't saving my settings when the computer is shut down for more than a restart.  So when I turn my computer on it says select a proper boot device and if I Ctrl Alt Del and restart it usually picks it up fine.  Any ideas?  And I am on the 1.A BIOS
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Re: Boot order changing
« Reply #33 on: 26-September-10, 00:56:31 »

So question on this do I have to select a boot order for all hard drives plugged in? Right now I have my primary drive selected first and all other boots disabled. So is bios when starting up and seeing those other drives just putting them in there in random order?
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Re: Boot order changing
« Reply #34 on: 26-September-10, 07:29:13 »

So I am still having this issue and it now does it from a hard boot from computer being turned off.  The only time it does not do it is when a restart is performed.  I have tried a different cable, I have changed the sata port the hard drive is on, I tried giving BIOS a password so changes could not be made, I changed the battery for the mobo.  It's like BIOS isn't saving my settings when the computer is shut down for more than a restart.  So when I turn my computer on it says select a proper boot device and if I Ctrl Alt Del and restart it usually picks it up fine.  Any ideas?  And I am on the 1.A BIOS

So question on this do I have to select a boot order for all hard drives plugged in? Right now I have my primary drive selected first and all other boots disabled. So is bios when starting up and seeing those other drives just putting them in there in random order?

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So is bios when starting up and seeing those other drives just putting them in there in random order?

No its not random, its follow your selection.

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So question on this do I have to select a boot order for all hard drives plugged in?

No only from drive you want to boot.
Also check HDD boot priority if you have more than one HDD installed.


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So I am still having this issue and it now does it from a hard boot from computer being turned off.  The only time it does not do it is when a restart is performed.  I have tried a different cable, I have changed the sata port the hard drive is on, I tried giving BIOS a password so changes could not be made, I changed the battery for the mobo.  It's like BIOS isn't saving my settings when the computer is shut down for more than a restart.

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So when I turn my computer on it says select a proper boot device and if I Ctrl Alt Del and restart it usually picks it up fine.  Any ideas?

Sound like this storage is not detected from the 1st time..
Leave only this HDD attached in a system, then see how its goes.


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Re: Boot order changing
« Reply #35 on: 26-September-10, 10:41:31 »

So don't want to jinx myself but I went into BIOS and instead of just selecting the one hard drive and disabling all the rest I gave a boot order to all of them.  I put my cd rom first, then my main hard drive, and down from there.  And I turned computer off and went to the movies and when I came back the machine booted fine.
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