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[Alienns]

 
I don`t have that G.Skill memory which is the only memory that actually works as intended with P67 motherboards :( I bought Kingston KHX2133C9AD3X2K2/4GX --> is Kingston HyperX DDR3 4GB (2x2GB), 2133Mhz, CL9, XMP X2 Grey Series rams and can`t make them work stable at 2133 on 4700Mhz on my MSI P67A-GD65 (B3). BIOS is latest E7681IMS.1A3 They actually work only on default CPU clock and that`s it. On other side internet is filled with this G.Skill memory and there is no way for me to buy that memory here in SERBIA. :( So i need to make this memory to work faster as possible. Because they are not so cheap here, about 110 euro and still not working on 2133 :( So i could buy some crap memory for 45 euro and make it to work on 1866 MHz easy but i didn`t know that will not work on DEFAULT clock if you OC your cpu and there is no way to return a product back here in Serbia. I will be happy if that work on my 2600K 4600 Mhz Clock. I don`t need 5Ghz or something, i didn`t even try this CPU more than 4800 Mhz. I just want quiet PC.

PSU is Thermaltake Toughpower 850W Power supply
Cooler is Scythe Mugen 2 Rev. B CPU

My current settings is Englishman's last setup which actually works, just cpu ratio is 34 and Core Ratio Limit 46, rest is almost same. I just wander how i need to setup this ram manually in BIOS. since i see on some sites that they managed to put this mem to work on 2133 on 1.65V but there is no detailed setup for memory in bios :(
Can someone help me or give some link where to see how to set that bunch of parameters for memory to work stable on 2133. I don`t need to work on CAS 8  CAS 10 will be great i think.

thanx...

[bundysmb]

DDR_VREF_CA_A         [0.75V]
DDR_VREF_CA_B         [0.75V]
DDR_VREF_DA_A         [0.75V]
DDR_VREF_DA_B         [0.75V]

These settings are for RAM correct? Just wondering in the case that I choose not to overclock my RAM at all...
If so would I be able to just leave these settings on auto?

[Englishman]

DDR_VREF_CA_A         [0.75V]
DDR_VREF_CA_B         [0.75V]
DDR_VREF_DA_A         [0.75V]
DDR_VREF_DA_B         [0.75V]

These settings are for RAM correct? Just wondering in the case that I choose not to overclock my RAM at all...
If so would I be able to just leave these settings on auto?

Auto should be fine, I just had to fiddle about with these voltages to get my RAM stable @2133MHz using the blue RAM slots. Using the black RAM slots I am using the Auto setting - from the intel documentation I found they should be 50% of the DRAM voltage anyway.

[Bobbika]

Inspired by this topic, I went searching for a stable and 'safe' 24/7 overclock. I left VCORE on [Auto] to make sure it lowers the VCORE when idling. So far the current settings were stable, did a 12 hour stress test with Prime and left it running on idle overnight, to rule out an idle crash. During stress CPU-Z shows a VCORE of 1.288 on 4200 Mhz speed. I'm very happy with these setting, thanks for sharing your setting guys!

My settings:

BIOS: 1.10B4

CPU Base Frequency [10kHz]   [10000]
Adjust CPU Ratio         [33]
Adjust CPU Ratio in OS      [Disabled]
Internal PLL Overvoltage      [Auto]
EIST               [Enabled]
Intel Turbo Boost         [Enabled]
DRAM Frequency         [DDR3-1333MHz]
Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P)   [Disabled]
DRAM Timing Mode         [Auto]
Spread Spectrum         [Disabled]
VDroop Control         [Auto]
CPU Core Voltage         [Auto]
CPU I/O Voltage         [Auto]
DRAM Voltage         [Auto]
System Agent Voltage    (SA)      [Auto]
CPU PLL Voltage         [Auto]
PCH 1.05            [Auto]
DDR_VREF_CA_A         [Auto]
DDR_VREF_CA_B         [Auto]
DDR_VREF_DA_A         [Auto]
DDR_VREF_DA_B         [Auto]


Overclocking/CPU Features

Active Processor Cores      [All]
Limit CPUID Maximum      [Disabled]
Execute Disable Bit         [Enabled]
Intel Virtualisation Tech      [Disabled]
Intel VT-D Tech         [Disabled]
Power Technology         [Custom]
C1E Support            [Disabled]
Overspeed Protection         [Enabled]
Intel C-State            [Enabled]
Package C State Limit      [No Limit]
Long Duration Power Limit (W)   110
Long Duration Maintained (ms)   1000
Long Duration Power Limit (W)   130
Primary plane turbo power limit   0
1-Core Ratio Limit         42
2-Core Ratio Limit         42
3-Core Ratio Limit         42
4-Core Ratio Limit         42

[joecacti]

Thanks for these settings y'all...  I haven't been able to get them to work yet, 1 question:  do your settings assume that everything else is set at stock?  I'm asking because I'm not sure what I should start changing to get your overclock (i.e. change your settings or look elsewhere).  For example:  EUP 2013 - Does that have an impact?  On or off?

[Froggy Gremlin]

EUP 2013 - Does that have an impact?  On or off?

Disable it.

[kourgath]

englishman, you ghet your b3 board yet? if so you been able to get the gskill memory to 2133?

[bwcall]

I wanted to chime in real quick with my experience using Englishman's settings.  I'm on the 10b4 BIOS, and copying his posted settings works for me... kinda.

What will happen is while at idle, the CPU is at 1600mhz and 1.37V (I'm okay with this), and when I begin HyperPi, OCCPT, etc. the CPU only clocks up to 3400mhz.  Interestingly, no where in my BIOS/Control Center is x34 set anywhere (or Control Center).  Anyway, once I set the multiplier to x48 in Control Center, all is well at 1.6Ghz idle/4.8Ghz load.

[joecacti]

bwcall:  I think the general consensus is that Control Center presents an unnecessary abstraction of changes that can be made easily through the UEFI BIOS.  Control Center has been buggy an innaccurate for most.  I suggest you take Control Center out of the loop...

[bwcall]

Slight update: I agree with you joecacti, CC basically is a novelty at first and isn't really necessary, so I got rid of that.  Then I cleared my BIOS settings, downgraded to 10b3, set optimized defaults, set Englishman's settings, saved and rebooted, and now all is working perfectly with 1.6 idle / 4.8 load.  Such a wonderfully easy thing.    

I might try to see if the Auto V-Core settings will work; I feel I may have to drop down to 4.7, but the power/heat savings would be worth it.

Edit - Downgrading to 10b3 fixed my multiplier issue completely.  I've also been able to run at 4.7 with auto V-Core settings.  Idles ~0.9V. and peaks at 1.424V in CPU-Z under full HyperPi/Kombuster load.  However, in order to get into Windows at auto V-Core, my V-Droop has to be set to Low, and the Phase Control option to the Intel choice (I forgot the name, I'll edit this again), otherwise it bluescreens/freezes during bootup.

[Englishman]

englishman, you ghet your b3 board yet? if so you been able to get the gskill memory to 2133?

Yes arrive this week - but can't get RAM to work at all @2133Mhz. Was about to RMA the RAM then I saw the update... (link now below)

Explains a lot!

[Mike]

Hmm Englishman, I get a 404 error clicking on your link.

[Englishman]

http://www.gskill.us/forum/showthread.php?t=8076

It's all there

[Mike]

Yes, your first link was missing the part in blue.http://www.gskill.us/forum/showthread.php?t=8076

Link is working now.

The memory controller is in the CPU, not the motherboard, but maybe it was the board they had.  BTW, you aren't going to see a significant jump in any real world applications with the RAM at 2133 as opposed to 1600--heck, even 1333.  Also, you can likely get them to work with CAS 9 at the higher ratings and the performance hit is insignificant.

[Froggy Gremlin]

'forum' was missing in your reply #60 link. After reading that, all I can say is maybe the admin tech reply is payback for many of us here not recommending Ripjaws because of all the problems they have caused many purchasers in the past.

[Englishman]

Look, this is the first time I've used Gskill and I'm no supporter, but as the RAM works in all other P67 boards you can hardly blame them. Really does look like an MSI issue in this case, but I'm happy to wait for a new BIOS to fix it.

[rippermac]

Thanks for the quick guide...saved me hours of testing  :D I am however having one issue that I cant seem to find a fix for...S3 sleep mode.
System goes into sleep fine but does not  wake up properly....requires a reboot really. To fix the issue I have had to reduce the Core Ratio limit to 45,45,45,45 and the problems have gone away for now...anything higher the problem returns. Any help would be appreciated. All other settings are the same as Englishmans guide and this is a none B3 board (gets here next week) bios v1.8
Thanks all .

[custompcreview]

Hey everyone, good post on the OC settings. I actually made a video a OC video on youtube a couple days ago on OCing just by increasing the turbo limit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7mHYCd1Jho

I was wondering if anyone also had the problem (or if you even tried), but is your auto vcore stable at 4.8GHz? My auto vcore is unstable for some reason and crashes during stress testing. I have to manually set it to 1.32 before I get some stable results, but the processor doesn't undervolt nearly as good as with auto voltage control. Also, do any of you notice that Intel's SVID mode is disabled during manual voltage control?

[Froggy Gremlin]

custompcreview, please create a signature in your profile with your systems components, & if it is a B2 or B3 board, & the BIOS version. Very difficult for anyone to offer any response without some basic information being provided. 

[bwcall]

So I took a little time to day to find out actually how much the variable V-Core affects actual power usage at the wall.  Basically these numbers show the idle wattage/voltage after ~5mins of no activity (idling at 1600MHz), and the the maximum value seen during an OCCT stress test for ~10mins.  Pretty interesting results:


As you can see, the difference from the 4.6Ghz/variable and the 4.7Ghz/static is ~15W or so, certainly not an amount I would sacrifice speed and stability for.

I didn't bother testing 4.6GHz Auto V-Core with SVID Off, my assumption is the drop in watts used is also negligible.

So after learning this, I've decided to forgo the variable V-Core, and stick with a static voltage.  I'll continue to test stability by changing the phase power choices, and also run without a variable clock multiplier (constant 4.7Ghz) and post my findings soon.

[custompcreview]

@HU16E sorry about that, I tried earlier and it wouldn't take the settings but its fixed now

@bwcall wow thats some interesting stats. It's pretty interesting that auto settings would give you such a good undervolt at 4.6GHz. On my 2600k the lowest vcore I get off auto is ~1.0v at 4.2GHz. I'll test it out at 4.6 and 4.7 later. I had problems @ 4.8 so I don't have much faith. I did get it to 4.8GHz stable with a manual setting of 1.32 Vcore though

[Alienns]

@bwcall
Are you sure that your multiplier is set to 34? If is 33 CPU will never go above 3400 Mhz. Englishman have 2500K that`s why he have 33 there.

I`m using FSB 102 Memory is on 1094 because of fsb settings and CPU is 4700 Mhz 2600K

[Bernhard]

I was wondering if anyone also had the problem (or if you even tried), but is your auto vcore stable at 4.8GHz?

Most P67 boards with a 2600K/2500K will normally have no issues with auto voltages up to about 4,6GHz, albeit that the VCore is usually higher than what is needed. Beyond that, the voltage requirements are normally outside a typical parameter set, resulting in manual settings having to be made.

[Froggy Gremlin]

Englishman have 2500K that's why he have 33 there.

And also no HyperThreading like the 2600k's.

[rippermac]

Any help would be appreciated thanks.

Thanks for the quick guide...saved me hours of testing  :D I am however having one issue that I cant seem to find a fix for...S3 sleep mode.
System goes into sleep fine but does not  wake up properly....requires a reboot really. To fix the issue I have had to reduce the Core Ratio limit to 45,45,45,45 and the problems have gone away for now...anything higher the problem returns. Any help would be appreciated. All other settings are the same as Englishmans guide and this is a none B3 board (gets here next week) bios v1.8
Thanks all .

[Englishman]

Any help would be appreciated thanks.

I can resume from S3 with the latest V1.10B06 BIOS with hibernation disabled. With previous versions resume from USB didn't work for me. I haven't looked into the hibernation issue yet, but suspect that is a problem between the REVO drive where the saved file lives and Windows 7 rather than an MSI problem.

[rippermac]

Thanks for the reply...maybe I'll try the v1.10. I don't use hibernation , just sleep...I shall give this a go and let the world know

[DAOWAce]

http://www.gskill.us/forum/showthread.php?t=8076

It's all there

Just wanted to say thanks for this link.  Glad to see they're working with MSI now.

Blew $300 on a quality 16GB kit for SB and can't even use them to their potential due to me choosing an MSI board since the ASUS ones were out of stock for ages.  Debating returning my board, but I probably won't deal with the hassle, so I hope this gets resolved ASAP.

[Froggy Gremlin]

Blew $300 on a quality 16GB kit for SB and can't even use them to their potential due to me choosing an MSI board

What do you mean?

[DAOWAce]

What do you mean?

CAS7 1600MHz kit. http://www.gskill.com/products.php?index=359   (There were lower latency kits, but only as 2GB modules; would've went that route if P67 was like X58)

CL8 causes instability.
CL7 causes system to power cycle and fail to even get into the BIOS, even at 1333MHz.

OC Genie most likely sets them to XMP, causing the same problems as manual CL7.

I've been running them at 1600MHz 9-8-7-24 1T on 1.10B6 without any noticeable issues so far.  I like the 1T, but it's not CAS7; not the reason I bought the kit when a CAS9 kit was half the price.  Reflecting on it; I should've went with the half price kit, a 2600K and a P8P67 Deluxe; but hey, I was intending to use this memory long beyond P67; unlike the MB/CPU. (replacing with LGA 2011, which is why I went budget on them)

Memtested overnight; no issues.  Prime95 blend (custom with 14GB) overnight; no issues.

With word from G.Skill about this problem, I'm relieved, but I still don't like that the ASUS boards were out of stock when I couldn't take waiting for an upgrade anymore. :(

Per chance anyone thinks I'm bashing MSI: I have 2 Hawk Talon GTX 460's; best cards I've ever owned. (Though shame I've never gotten either to be stable above 915MHz for a single benchmark run..)

[Froggy Gremlin]

OC Genie most likely sets them to XMP, causing the same problems as manual CL7.

Here's a hypothetical conspiracy theory to ponder. Since MSI seems to be excluded from the G.Skill support list for the RAM you have, & so many others are having trouble with that brand, it seems like the SPD G.Skill is using is not in tune with what MSI boards like, & G.Skill left them out of the loop to adjust their boards for some of these off the wall timings. It just seems odd to me that no problems seem to be encountered when RAM that has standard SPD profiles are used. By that I mean 1333, 9 9 9 24 @ 1.500v's.

[heky]

Thing is, G.Skill is working with MSI on the ram issue. At least thats what they stated on their forums.

http://www.gskill.us/forum/showthread.php?t=8076

[Bernhard]

There is one important part in that link that seems to be ignored by users in a quest for these high RAM speed numbers and also by the manufacturer in terms of informing the public.

You purchased two 8GB kits, so it is possible that they don't work well together at DDR3-1600. Try DDR3-1333 8-8-8-24, this should be just as fast as DDR3-1600 CL9.

They themselves state that 1333C8 at those timings is just as fast as 1600C9. So why do we then need 1600, which normally requires higher voltages to gain stability.
Just some food for thought.

[DAOWAce]

snip

To provide clarity: If set to XMP, the system can't even get back into UEFI.  (power cycle 3 times then locks up on logo screen)

If I set it to CL7 manually, regardless of memory speed; the same thing happens.

If I try to use OC Genie; the same thing happens.


Aside from that: These boards only have 16GB max memory limit too compared to ASUS' 32GB.

Did another 2 hour memtest at the settings listed in my previous post; no problems again.


In a completely unrelated issue: My keyboard randomly stops working in a certain game.  I haven't tried different USB ports yet, but this did not happen on my old motherboard.

Yet another problem. /sigh


Also; what exactly is the "power cycle" issue?  I find my system randomly turning on when I didn't even hit the power button, though this is only after I turn it off with the power button.  It also delays power on and power off in certain scenarios.

[Froggy Gremlin]

Aside from that: These boards only have 16GB max memory limit too compared to ASUS' 32GB.

That's rubbish!

Main Memory

• Supports four unbuffered DIMM of 1.5 Volt DDR3 1066/1333/1600*/2133*(OC) DRAM, 32GB Max
- Supports 1GB/ 2GB/ 4GB/ 8GB DRAM size
- Supports Dual channel mode

In a completely unrelated issue: My keyboard randomly stops working in a certain game.  I haven't tried different USB ports yet, but this did not happen on my old motherboard. Yet another problem. /sigh Also; what exactly is the "power cycle" issue?  I find my system randomly turning on when I didn't even hit the power button, though this is only after I turn it off with the power button.  It also delays power on and power off in certain scenarios.

Please don't hijack. Open a new thread for these questions. A signature of your systems components would also be of help.

[zYx]

What's up with this Vcore?

In BIOS it's set to 1.370. i7-2600K @ 4.8GHz. CPU-Z shows 1.376V in idle and when stressed, it jumps to 1.424V! What's that about?
I have the 1.9/1.10b6 BIOS version.
Not only there is no offset mode, but the CPU voltage jumps up without any reason?! (regarding the offset mode I've created a ticket)

vdroop is set to Low Vdroop btw.

[Froggy Gremlin]

A bit off topic, but voltage throttling under changing load conditions seems to be a normal behavior with this platform.

[zYx]

How bad is 1.424V then?
I'm sure I can stabilize at 5GHz with around 1.4V, but will it hurt my CPU?

[Froggy Gremlin]

Intel's datasheet published 'Absolute Maximum' is 1.52v's. Around the industry, 1.400v's is considered the upper limit for sustained operation over long term. My particular CPU, will make it to 4.7 ok @ 1.392v's peak. I have elected to run it at 4.5 on 'Auto' voltage.

[zYx]

I'll try AUTO V in a sec, for now I am at 4.8GHz stressing it and the V went up to 1.432V!

[custompcreview]

For me auto v seems the best too since it downclocks and the vcore seems way more efficient. Even at the same clock speeds I set on manual the vcore using auto v is always lower even when under load.

@HU16E does your auto v become unstable at some point? Seems like the highest I can go on auto v is 44x otherwise the computer locks up a couple mins into prime 95.

[Froggy Gremlin]

Highest on 'Auto' I can go is 4.5 (45X) & remain 100% stable. It will eventually crash when 4.6 is set. My hat tips to the Englishman & his unique OC of this platform. Power when you need it, low voltage at idle & minimal use when you don't.

[kourgath]

i was running under auto voltage 45 mult and 103 fsb for the last couple weeks perfectly stable, rebooted today and now prime crashes after a couple mins with no changes in settings. gonna have to redo my overclock now :(

[Froggy Gremlin]

103 fsb

Maybe reducing that will help. 

[kourgath]

well, bumped vcore to 1.3 multi at 45 and fsb at 103, runs rock stable in prime at 4635 52c after 12 hrs. could probably try upping the fsb some but problems there usually lead me to corrupted files and i'm tired of doing that

[Bernhard]

The recommendations are to keep your FSB(BCLK) at 100 for this platform. Anything above that may cause instabilities or have other unknown side-effects.

[boby7]

vcore to 1.3 multi at 45 and fsb at 103, runs rock stable in prime at 4635 52c

52c? I am jealous! What cooler?
I am getting prime past 70c using Cogage Arrow @45001,35V (1,4V stress). I thought it's ok 

[Bernhard]

These i7 CPUs vary considerably in temps. My 2600K runs 24/7 folding full load. 4,5GHz 1,28Vcore in BIOS. at room temp of ~25C the cores are between 60-65C.

[DAOWAce]

That's rubbish!

Rubbish?  The box and the manual for my motherboard (GD65) clearly states that 16GB is the maximum supported memory limit.  The manual then goes on to state that it cannot fully utilize 16GB of memory.  Specifically, it says: "Due to the chipset resource deployment, the system density will only be detected up to 15+GB (not full 16GB) when each DIMM is installed with a 4GB memory module."

So what exactly is rubbish?  The box and the manual which states 16GB? Or the specifications on websites (including MSI's) which say 32GB?


I'm also not "thread-jacking". I just stated things and am not requesting any sort of input on them. (Well, except the power cycle issue (which wasn't responded to), which seems to be relevant to the fact that one simply owns the 1155 series of motherboards from MSI).

But alright, I'll create my own thread(s); if MSI's support annoys me enough.


To not be entirely off topic: I only initially posted in this thread to thank the OP.  I'd have also contributed to this thread with my overclock settings if the motherboard wasn't buggy as hell and incompatible with my RAM, but yeah.  I may be back with my results when a stable BIOS exists.

[Froggy Gremlin]

I'm also not "thread-jacking".  I just stated things and am not requesting any sort of input on them.

what exactly is the "power cycle" issue?

Then what is this? Reads like a request for an answer.

If there is a conflict between what the box & manual states, & it is different than the online description for the board, then I guess to settle the question would be to place a ticket with MSI Tech Support & ask them.