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MSI GTX 560 Ti HAWK Memory Temperature too high???
« on: 14-August-12, 05:10:38 »

Hi there! first sorry about my english (im argentinian LoL)... I ve recently received my order from amazon, an amazing MSI GTX 560 TI HAWK TWIN FRZR III (factory clock 950mhz mem 2100mhz shaders 1900mhz) but after some use, i began to worry about the noises and high speeds of the FANS, so ive checked the temperatures... The GPU IDLE 40/45º AND MEMORY TEMP IDLE 45º, thats fine... but after a minutes of benchmarking (uniengine) or playing SKYRIM full with mods, the GPU goes up OK, nothing out of the ordinary, it goes upto 70º no more...its OK, but the thing is with the MEMORIES, they went from 40/45 to 95/96º in a few seconds!!! AND THEY STAY THERE! I quit the game and the gpu drops down to 65/60 and slowly back to idle temp, but the mems stays in 95º!!! IS THIS NORMAL???

And something weird, if i quit the game and SHUT DOWN the system (not reboot) and quickly star it up again, like 1 min later, the mems are AT 50/55º ?!?!?!?!? :censored:? I want to know if this is usually like this, or not! (maybe its a sensor reading problem??? :S)

My Gear is INTEL I5 2320 3GHZ  / 8GB RAM GSKILL 2166 /  SOURCE 520W / MOTHER GIGABYTE Z77 DSH3 / HDD 1TB WD 64MB BUFFER / WIN 7X64 ENTERPRISE (RECENTLY INSTALLED)

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CARD                : MSI N560GTX-Ti Hawk (S) on GPU GF114
CONTROLLER      : 301.42
vgaBIOS                 : 70.24.21.00.00

Well i hope that someone can help me! Ive read a LOT, and some people has this same problem, some of them RMAd it with no good results (same issue), i cant RMA it cause im back at my country (i bought it in my trip to USA a few weeks ago)...Some other guy change the TIM and got good results (but i think he had problems with GPU temp AND memories).

So if its not normal, what should i do? do i change the tim? try to check the airflow of the card (how)? im no hardware expert but i manage to try and do things... LoL.

Well i hope that u can understand my problem and help me!!! i want to enjoy my card without thinking that it will melt down in just 2 months away :(

THANKS FOR YOUR TIME GUYS! CYA!
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Re: MSI GTX 560 Ti HAWK Memory Temperature too high???
« Reply #1 on: 14-August-12, 05:16:16 »

Here i post some Images about the issue...http://imageshack.us/f/546/89541862.jpg
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Re: MSI GTX 560 Ti HAWK Memory Temperature too high???
« Reply #2 on: 14-August-12, 21:38:01 »

You know what, the same thing has been happening to alot of people. The temperature just shoots up when your playing a game and doesn't ever come back down until you do a hard reset. I'll try to learn more about this problem and will get back to you. The strange thing is, that I have two gtx 560 ti hawks in sli and their memory temps seem to be spiking up. The worst part about it is that these cards aren't very cheap and should be performing right out of the box. I expected so much more from this card and MSI. I guess an RMA is in order or better yet a refund.
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Re: MSI GTX 560 Ti HAWK Memory Temperature too high???
« Reply #3 on: 15-August-12, 01:48:29 »

but then its an issue with the sensor or the afterburner program?? cause i dont think the memories are that hot actually, its not possible to make a hard reset and then voila the temp drops down to a half! theres another program to read memory temperature? cause evga and asus or even gpuz doesnt have that option...

cya! thx in advance
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Re: MSI GTX 560 Ti HAWK Memory Temperature too high???
« Reply #4 on: 15-August-12, 19:06:33 »

could be sensor glitch,
do you have any stability issues?
Else you can contact to MSI here to ask about it:
>>How to contact MSI.<<

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« Reply #5 on: 16-August-12, 17:31:01 »

Hi there svet! thanx for taking time to check my problem and answer back!

I saw in a lot of other posts similar to my problem, that many people is having this kind of issue, so this sensor must be factory faulty or maybe just "misplaced" (in a "hot" airflow spot??? thats why the strange readings??)... that way we can explain why in 2 secs. goes from 40/45c degrees to 95/96c and stays there, then shut down pc, and inmidiately turn on and its back at 50c, weird right? LoL.

Ive sent the issue to MSI with all my data, captures of afterburner, serial numbers,vgabios, specs, system, etc. etc. Still NO RESPONSE.. its been a few days but no answer back yet.

I been testing it this days, and NO PROBLEMS whatsoever, nothing weird like shutdowns or glitches or even artifacts, the card works like a charm, fast and the gpu its always at a normal/low temperatures, even at high/full load with high end games like skyrim or benchmarks like Uniengine with full DX11 tesselation and all maxed up.
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Re: MSI GTX 560 Ti HAWK Memory Temperature too high???
« Reply #6 on: 17-August-12, 00:22:43 »

Let us know what they will answer.

Else looks to be cosmetic problem, rather that real problem.

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Re: MSI GTX 560 Ti HAWK Memory Temperature too high???
« Reply #7 on: 17-August-12, 00:37:22 »

Your answer at least gives me the hope that my card wont melt down LOL!

You mean as a "cosmetic" problem as a sensor issue (or misplaced), rather than a high temperature/real overheating of the memory modules, right?  (sorry about my english again..)

Thanx a lot for your time. really.
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« Reply #8 on: 17-August-12, 00:39:18 »

Your answer at least gives me the hope that my card wont melt down LOL!

You mean as a "cosmetic" problem as a sensor issue (or misplaced), rather than a high temperature/real overheating of the memory modules, right?  (sorry about my english again..)

Thanx a lot for your time. really.

yes, i see this before.
other people with the hawk also was reporting 100 or 100+ temp for memory
but everything worked fine in meantime

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Re: MSI GTX 560 Ti HAWK Memory Temperature too high???
« Reply #9 on: 17-August-12, 01:01:22 »

Yes, i can see, so im a bit more calm down hehe...

check this guy out, the EXACTLY same problem as me http://forums.overclockersclub.com/index.php?showtopic=189611&st=0&gopid=2044443&#entry2044443

Maybe theres NO sensor at all there in the memory panels=??? could it be? and why afterburner its the only program that check this temperatures? not gpuz, not evga or asus programs neither :S


cya mate!
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Re: MSI GTX 560 Ti HAWK Memory Temperature too high???
« Reply #10 on: 17-August-12, 01:08:13 »

because afterburner is specially maded to read those special sensor of the card,
while any other programs are not.

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Re: MSI GTX 560 Ti HAWK Memory Temperature too high???
« Reply #11 on: 17-August-12, 01:18:43 »

so, THERE IS a sensor, and afterburner IS READING IT? so, youre telling me that my memories are going to melt down in a few weeks??? :bonk: lol

i hope not... :P
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Re: MSI GTX 560 Ti HAWK Memory Temperature too high???
« Reply #12 on: 17-August-12, 01:28:24 »

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so, THERE IS a sensor, and afterburner IS READING IT?

yes it should, every hawk has such

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o, youre telling me that my memories are going to melt down in a few weeks???  lol

the sensor could be defective

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Re: MSI GTX 560 Ti HAWK Memory Temperature too high???
« Reply #13 on: 17-August-12, 16:32:59 »

every sensor on almost every hawk is defective? omg !! lmao!!! :P
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Re: MSI GTX 560 Ti HAWK Memory Temperature too high???
« Reply #14 on: 17-August-12, 17:53:51 »

Quote from: Obi-WanOO
every sensor on almost every hawk is defective? omg !! lmao!!! :P

Nobody said that. Your's is defective.
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Re: MSI GTX 560 Ti HAWK Memory Temperature too high???
« Reply #15 on: 17-August-12, 23:18:33 »

I know that mine IS defective, but i just want to add that theres A LOT (and i mean it, google it...) of people with the exact same issue, so its a complet lot that is bad with this glitch... and its a high end card, i trusted msi and i looked specifically this brand to buy my cards... now in the future maybe i will look another brand. sadly. :(

In the meantime i just hope that is only a glitch in the sensor and not actual temperatures. that will be worse (for my and my pocket. lol)

i will post later when msi have an official answer for me in the members area.
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« Reply #16 on: 18-August-12, 01:53:34 »

You are moving on thin ice, don't turn this into MSI bashing.  As I see you are simultaneously posting on this issue on Guru3D (http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=349814&page=3) and Overclockersclub (http://forums.overclockersclub.com/index.php?showtopic=189611&st=0&gopid=2044443&#entry2044443) I'm about to lock this depending on your next move.
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Re: MSI GTX 560 Ti HAWK Memory Temperature too high???
« Reply #17 on: 19-August-12, 08:55:23 »

Hi there Again!! Can i Ask what do u mean by "bashing"? (sorry FOR MY english) If u mean that IM trying to go against msi ur wrong i love msi (i think its the best vga brand out there by far)i always bought msi cards And i really support And a fan of the brand! PLEAse sorry if something sounded wrong or out of place my grammar in english its not my strong point lol!

IM only trying TO understand whats going on with the card by finding the best possible answers by looking at different people/experiences! And yes of course i posted on that other forums cause i googled my problem And found this posts And tried not only TO contribute TO the original poster, but also reaching a conclusion for me as well!

I come in peace :) IM just a simple user with an issue that IS just trying to find the best answer!

So again,sorry if any of my moves sounded or looked ofenssive to Anyone. It was never my intention...

Cya guys!

(sorry for my typing im @my iPhone)
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Re: MSI GTX 560 Ti HAWK Memory Temperature too high???
« Reply #18 on: 24-August-12, 09:21:30 »

Hello,

I had the same issue TILL TODAY  :worship:

Now the ISSUE IS SOLVED  :agrees:
I received from MSI a new BIOS which solve this issue. (after 2 months.....)
The memory temp. never go more than 67 C (1 hour Kombustor)

The only sollution is to contact MSI, send them everything they need and they will send you a BIOS update file.
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Re: MSI GTX 560 Ti HAWK Memory Temperature too high???
« Reply #19 on: 24-August-12, 19:04:50 »

Hi  there!! I was about to post almost at the same time as you!! cause yesterday i checked @msi supp. and they answered back with a bios to replace. i followed the turorials here (thank you svet) and the memory issue its gone. they read about 50º.

I just wanted to know what the problem REALLY was, out of curiosity.

Thanx to all in this forum, all of you had been very helpful

cya!
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Re: MSI GTX 560 Ti HAWK Memory Temperature too high???
« Reply #20 on: 24-August-12, 20:37:43 »

Hello,

I had the same issue TILL TODAY  :worship:

Now the ISSUE IS SOLVED  :agrees:
I received from MSI a new BIOS which solve this issue. (after 2 months.....)
The memory temp. never go more than 67 C (1 hour Kombustor)

The only sollution is to contact MSI, send them everything they need and they will send you a BIOS update file.


Can you share bios file?
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Re: MSI GTX 560 Ti HAWK Memory Temperature too high???
« Reply #21 on: 25-August-12, 00:17:41 »

I can share mine too if u like, no problem.

One thing ive checked, they´ve increased the min.speed of the fans @40% now (bios default was @30%), and i think the max of each temp limit also has been increased. Its the only thing different that ive noticed (the noise lol) but the temps are OK now.

Later @home i can send you the bios!! cya!
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Re: MSI GTX 560 Ti HAWK Memory Temperature too high???
« Reply #22 on: 25-August-12, 02:20:05 »

here is the bios that msi sent me, i hope that it helps. cya!

http://www.megafileupload.com/en/file/365533/1-rom.html
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« Reply #24 on: 25-August-12, 11:23:45 »


Can you share bios file?

What's S/N of you card?

Those should be used only on specific versions.
Etc you need to get latest one vbios, but correct one for your card

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« Reply #25 on: 25-August-12, 18:44:53 »

N560GTX-Ti Hawk
602-V260-010B1110149699

thanks for your help
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« Reply #26 on: 25-August-12, 19:19:03 »

N560GTX-Ti Hawk
602-V260-010B1110149699

thanks for your help

ok, can you save your current vbios with GPU-Z and upload it somewhere and give a link to it?

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« Reply #28 on: 25-August-12, 19:26:07 »

Ok, reflash to attached vBIOS.
[extract all files in one folder, then click on "flash", confirm with "Y" and wait window to self close,
when its done reboot your computer]
Then retest and see how its goes.

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« Reply #29 on: 25-August-12, 19:42:14 »

now memory temp is fine with skyrim. thank you so much.
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« Reply #30 on: 25-August-12, 19:42:37 »

you're welcome :hat tip:

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« Reply #31 on: 26-August-12, 00:27:56 »

nice to see how a lot of people got this issue solved!!

I have 2 questions for my friend svet if you dont mind, thank you in advance for your time...

1) Temps like 75/78º aprox of the GPU (@home like 20/23º in the room with my case one side open / here is winter season) is normal @full load ?? (skyrim or kombustor) 

and 2) I dont like how the fans sounds when the gpu temp reaches that temp, theyre almost at 70% speed and theyre very noisy at that point, and with the case open theyre disturbing :P ive tried to set the fans manually to 55% TOP and the temperature its the same as with the fans at 75%, gpu never goes beyond 78º... so theres a way to set the fan speed in some other way to that top (50/55%) so it wont make that huge noises ??? (other way than msi afterburner i mean, like editing bios ? im just asking cause i dont really know for sure, but the bios that msi sent me now the fans start at 40% instead of 30% that was factory default.)

THANKS A LOT FOR YOUR TIME!! CYA LATER!!
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« Reply #32 on: 26-August-12, 01:00:23 »

My name is not Svet(sorry) but these are my 2 cents:
The load temperature of 70-80 is not worrisome, the max. temp. according to NVIDIA specs temperature is 99 ° C.
The temperature fan-profile can not be edited using available tools in the VBIOS.
Fan-profil only via AB or other similar Tools.

And yes, the minimum and maximum fan speed can be edited in VBIOS,
the lower threshold could be set to 30% or less via NiBiTor.
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« Reply #33 on: 26-August-12, 01:17:06 »

Ok then thx "anDrasch" !!! I will try to edit the vbios with NiBiTor then...

What could be the best "arc" (to name it somehow) for the fan? according to what ive told u before, at 57% speed is just fin, the temps stay there and doesnt move (tried several burn in benchs and games @full load, and the fan set with afterburner @57% its the same temp as it was @75%, but a lot less noisy lol)

Ive checked with NiBiTor and can only edit the min % and the max % (now is set min 40% / max 100%), what its your recommendation?

thx a lot for your time. :D
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« Reply #34 on: 26-August-12, 01:25:39 »

You may test it out for your own ,
only thing i can say is lower limit 25% fan-Speed result in 1200rpm with my TFII (N460GTXHawk).
good luck
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« Reply #35 on: 26-August-12, 06:57:22 »

sorry about my english, but i didnt understood what u mean by " lower limit 25% fan-Speed result in 1200rpm"... sorry... :P

by the way i tried and flashed it with a moded vbios at min 35% and max 57% (i tested the temperatures at those fan % first, then the noises and came to that numbers) and the temps are very good now... i will test it some more... cya! ;)
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« Reply #36 on: 26-August-12, 12:22:04 »

but i didnt understood what u mean by " lower limit 25% fan-Speed result in 1200rpm"... sorry... :P
that's what I meant

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« Reply #37 on: 26-August-12, 19:51:30 »

Thats it is you MAX FAN SPEED ?
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« Reply #38 on: 26-August-12, 19:56:03 »

His idle fanspeed is 25% and 1140RPM with that VBIOS.
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Re: MSI GTX 560 Ti HAWK Memory Temperature too high???
« Reply #39 on: 26-August-12, 20:16:39 »

Thats nice!!

I set the min to 35% and max to 60%, but when my GPU is at 50º (not so much) the FAN SPEED goes almost UP, like to 55%, can u tell me why? or maybe whats the best VBIOS setting that i should edit with NiBiTor for the best QUIET SETTING pleasee!! this fans are very noisy!! thank you so much.

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« Reply #40 on: 27-August-12, 15:41:15 »

or maybe theres a way to edit the "curve" of the fans via VBIOS? or just the min/max??? if its only min/max what is the best set. for a QUIET behaviour? lol.

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« Reply #41 on: 27-August-12, 21:28:16 »

question: does the new BIOS set the low/queiet setting up to a higher value? I dont realy want it to be higher than 30% on idle like it is now.

you can set the fan curve in afterburner.
The default symetric value from MSI is rather annoying.
This pic show the curve that turned out to best for me
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« Reply #42 on: 27-August-12, 23:53:16 »

YES! it sets to a higher default (starts at 40% fan speed) and when i start gaming it goes up really quick, to 60% in just seconds (and the GPU temp is NEAR 60º, not even high!!!) so thats i would like to set the VBIOS to another curve, cause i dont want to hear the fans that loud! the temps are very good even with the fans at 55/55%...

I tried with afterburner the way u describe, but i just wanted to set it on the bios, i just didnt want afterburner open all day long everytime i use the PC. lol.

cya thx!
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Re: MSI GTX 560 Ti HAWK Memory Temperature too high???
« Reply #43 on: 28-August-12, 00:35:39 »

As I wrote before, there is currently no generally available tool which is able to edit the fan curve in the VBios.

I do not understand why you do not want to use this tool when there is no alternative and this tool does exactly what you want?
Everyone uses many useless tools running in the background.This tool is not part of the useless crap.
anyway good luck
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Re: MSI GTX 560 Ti HAWK Memory Temperature too high???
« Reply #44 on: 28-August-12, 11:59:28 »

Ok if this new BIOS set the lowest fan speed up to 40% then its absolutely useless to me and i will not install it. A foulty sensor value is less important than a calm GFX card.

This Tool Afterburner uses not many resources and starts very fast with windows start, i never had a problem with that tool even with the betas, but i dont want to advertise it to much because the dev is ... not very friendly.
Its your choice.

Thx on the info on the new bios =)
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Re: MSI GTX 560 Ti HAWK Memory Temperature too high???
« Reply #45 on: 28-August-12, 16:13:39 »

Ok, I got the message LoL!! i will use afterburner later to test the fan curve ;)

Right now i have the MSI bios, but edited to set the fan speed min @30% and max @57% (any speed besides that, the fan is TOO NOISY for me and my quiet enviroment) and im testing the max temps with fans at 57%, theyre @ 80/82º GPU when full load. I dont think its a bad number, and fans are almost quiet...

ps: by the way, the card is advertised as quiet one, but when it gets full load the little fans are very very noisy LOL!! maybe its quiet when idle :P
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Re: MSI GTX 560 Ti HAWK Memory Temperature too high???
« Reply #46 on: 28-August-12, 23:57:14 »

how did you edited the bios? is there a tool for it out there? what is it name?

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ps: by the way, the card is advertised as quiet one, but when it gets full load the little fans are very very noisy LOL!! maybe its quiet when idle :P

the fan (Twin Frozer 3) is indeed very loud. it is a consensus in ALL reviews of this GFX card!
IMHO Thats why MSI fallback to the Twin Frozr 2 cooler design again after the HAWK card got bad response... thats my opinion.
We HAWK owners have to stick with that bad designed hardware. :(

But at least the fan loudness is manageable with the Afterburner function. thanks for that MSI!

I dont know why MSI change the low settings up to 40% again, as you said. How did you managed to change the % with the new BIOS?
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btw. with this fan curve of mine I also use special tower fan controller (Scythe Kaze Server- 2xfront 120cm fans) witch turn up input air as the GFX temp card turns up... so if you use it without a plus of tower fan input on your pc tower your GFX card could overheat with this setting. But most applications shouldnt use more than 30% fanspeed below 55°C IMHO
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Re: MSI GTX 560 Ti HAWK Memory Temperature too high???
« Reply #47 on: 29-August-12, 02:10:45 »

i edited the vbios with  NiBiTor...
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Re: MSI GTX 560 Ti HAWK Memory Temperature too high???
« Reply #48 on: 23-February-13, 10:04:33 »

Hi Obi-Wan00/Svet,
I'm facing an identical issue with my 560 Ti HAWK (while playing Devil May Cry). GPU temperatures stay in the 70 celcius range, but the memory temperature shoots to the ~100 mark. Game runs fine, no issues whatsoever, but one exiting, only the GPU temperature goes back to idle temperature (30 degrees), the memory temperature remains near the 80 mark. Restarting the machine brings that temperature back to the 30 range as well, which was similar to how Obi-Wan00 described.
I've read the discussion and what I could figure out was: It's not something to be worried about a lot, is mostly a cosmetic issue which can be resolved via a BIOS update? (Obi-Wan and another user reported successful resolution)
Is my understanding correct? If so, how do I go about the BIOS update? Via the LiveUpdate software?
This issue only came to my attention recently (have had the card for nearly a year now) probably because it was the first time the memory temperature went over 100 celcius, I may have ignored it when it used to linger in the 90's, and because the new driver 310.90 was crashing a couple of times. (Never crashed on 306.xx which I used for several months without a single crash).

Also, this is my first post, and if I'm seen to be hijacking this post, I apologize. However, my issue seems rather similar to the one already described I thought it best to post here, so that the original people might be able to help out faster. Apologies if I was mistaken. Thanks!
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Re: MSI GTX 560 Ti HAWK Memory Temperature too high???
« Reply #49 on: 19-April-13, 13:16:13 »

Hi everyone!
I just registered because I have the same issue with myN560Ti Hawk but I can't download the BIOS msi sent you!
Could you please re-upload it?
which is the bettere way to flash it?
tnx
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