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Linux on a MSI GT Series GT70 0ND-444US
« on: 25-January-13, 21:51:48 »

Hi,

I just purchased a GT70 0ND-444US notebook and it came with Windows 8.  I am trying to make a dual-boot with Linux.  My distro of choice is Gentoo Linux, but at this point, I have been unable to put any kind of linux on the thing.  It is because windows 8 was setup using UEFI.

The major roadblock here is that I cannot get ANY UEFI able linux cd/dvd/usb flash drive to boot in it.  The closest I get is the menu for grub or elilo, but as soon as I choose a boot option, the screen just goes blank, and the blu-ray drive just stops spinning (or the usb stick light stops flashing).  I have beating my head against this wall for weeks now.   :bonk:

Is there anyone out there who can point me toward a resource on how I can get this system to boot to a UEFI linux disk?  I can probably take it from there...

I have tried these linux boot disks:
Knoppix
gentoo
system rescue cd (from source forge)
Archlinux
Debian
Kubuntu
Ubuntu
Ubuntu alternate
Parted Magic
Clonezilla Live

Thanks!

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Re: Linux on a MSI GT Series GT70 0ND-444US
« Reply #1 on: 29-January-13, 09:25:33 »

Disable secure boot in the security menu of the bios.
That'll make it possible to boot from non-Win8 UEFI media.
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Re: Linux on a MSI GT Series GT70 0ND-444US
« Reply #2 on: 09-February-13, 00:15:03 »

Hi Leon,

I forgot to mention that that was already done.  It is not the issue.  The system does a good job of telling you when you have secure boot enabled when trying to boot to something other than win8.

The issue is that it will not boot a linux kernel while UEFI is enabled in the bios.  Grub runs, ELILO runs, but as soon as it goes to load a kernel I get a black screen hang.

Has anyone tried to actually install linux on this laptop as a dual boot with win8 (that shipped with it)?

Thanks.

G
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Re: Linux on a MSI GT Series GT70 0ND-444US
« Reply #3 on: 09-February-13, 23:04:58 »

I have an almost identical system.  Am having an almost identical problem, see  http://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=166176.0

A user there is going to try an Ubuntu install this weekend, hope to learn more soon.
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Re: Linux on a MSI GT Series GT70 0ND-444US
« Reply #4 on: 10-February-13, 12:05:18 »

_Hi all for Ubuntu i have the same Problem to boot up on my Pc with 12.4 and 12.10 my workround is on ubuntu at boot hit F6 and sign no acpi cancle the boot option quiet and splash so that you see the boot messages it works for me
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Re: Linux on a MSI GT Series GT70 0ND-444US
« Reply #5 on: 10-February-13, 15:20:59 »

_Hi all for Ubuntu i have the same Problem to boot up on my Pc with 12.4 and 12.10 my workround is on ubuntu at boot hit F6 and sign no acpi cancle the boot option quiet and splash so that you see the boot messages it works for me
Greetings
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We might be getting somewhere on my box -

In BIOS turn off/disable fast boot; choose Legacy boot mode
At first boot screen hit F6, tic acpi=off; delete "quiet splash" from Boot Options text.
I chose Try Ubuntu without installing option on next screen.

Machine completed booting into 12.10. It did not recognize my touchpad but did recognize the mouse I plugged in. Other than the touchpad not functioning (haven't looked for a driver, etc.) the system seems to work as the designers intended.

Have not yet tried to install 12.10 from here, that will need to wait until later today, have to run.
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Re: Linux on a MSI GT Series GT70 0ND-444US
« Reply #6 on: 10-February-13, 23:54:00 »

install synaptic touchepad from Softwarecenter in ubuntu on the left side
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Re: Linux on a MSI GT Series GT70 0ND-444US
« Reply #7 on: 11-February-13, 01:51:43 »

We might be getting somewhere on my box -

In BIOS turn off/disable fast boot; choose Legacy boot mode
At first boot screen hit F6, tic acpi=off; delete "quiet splash" from Boot Options text.
I chose Try Ubuntu without installing option on next screen.

Machine completed booting into 12.10. It did not recognize my touchpad but did recognize the mouse I plugged in. Other than the touchpad not functioning (haven't looked for a driver, etc.) the system seems to work as the designers intended.

Have not yet tried to install 12.10 from here, that will need to wait until later today, have to run.

STOP.  Our issues are not at all the same.

You cannot boot in legacy mode and install it so it can boot UEFI.  You must boot UEFI if you want to install your linux system so that it will boot under UEFI.  Windows 8 is UEFI, so there is no choice but to use UEFI if you want to keep the win8 install (which I do).

If you are installing under legacy and/or obliterating your win8 -- that is not the issue here, and you are hijacking my thread.  I would ask you put all non-UEFI issues on another thread, and let me attempt to get the help I had initially asked for.

So... Has anybody gotten a UEFI Linux disk (either CD, DVD or USB Stick) to boot on this system?  If so, what distro, and how did you accomplish this?

Thankyou!

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Re: Linux on a MSI GT Series GT70 0ND-444US
« Reply #8 on: 11-February-13, 13:11:02 »

Hi grooveman
you understand german ? i have found a workround for you but its in german sorry
http://www.ubuntufreunde.de/forum/4363/uefi_dualboot_mit_win8_und_12_10.html
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Re: Linux on a MSI GT Series GT70 0ND-444US
« Reply #9 on: 11-February-13, 23:26:19 »

Hi grooveman
you understand german ? i have found a workround for you but its in german sorry
http://www.ubuntufreunde.de/forum/4363/uefi_dualboot_mit_win8_und_12_10.html

lol, <german>My german is not so good, but I'll give it a try</german>  :)
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Re: Linux on a MSI GT Series GT70 0ND-444US
« Reply #10 on: 11-February-13, 23:28:56 »

 :police: English only in public forums >>Please read and comply with the Forum Rules.<<

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Re: Linux on a MSI GT Series GT70 0ND-444US
« Reply #11 on: 11-February-13, 23:44:03 »

Svet,
Ok... sorry, was just being silly there...  that statement probably wasn't even conjugated correctly  :rolleyes:

Max,
I'm afraid that this article isn't very helpful.  It isn't not specific to this model of laptop.  It is for a UEFI install in general, but the problem is that I cannot even get that far.  No UEFI linux install disk will even boot in this laptop.  I gotta boot to something in order to install it.  That is the hurdle at this point.

I need a UEFI linux disk (with bin utils, gcc etc. on it) that will boot on an MSI GT Series GT70 0ND-444US.
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Re: Linux on a MSI GT Series GT70 0ND-444US
« Reply #12 on: 12-February-13, 09:26:25 »

ok so, im so sorry for my posting here at german version i will try to help again with my bad english
ok you have in your book a uefi shell ?
from windows 8 hit shift and take restart you see a moment please
next screen hit troubleshoting next hit extendend options next hit change uefi firmware so you jumped in the bios
go bootoverright UEFI shell
shell is prompted
write fs0: hit enter so with cd comand look on your Ubuntu-cd at device:\EFI\BOOT\BOOtx64.efi
and fire up the install of ubuntu is it not fs0 maybe fs1 look in your shell with help for any comands you need to mount you cdrom
i hope it helps.

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Re: Linux on a MSI GT Series GT70 0ND-444US
« Reply #13 on: 15-February-13, 18:17:30 »

here a another link to install Ubuntu in UEFI Mode Klickit https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
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Re: Linux on a MSI GT Series GT70 0ND-444US
« Reply #14 on: 19-February-13, 04:47:18 »

groveman, in regard to « Reply #7 on: 11-February-13, 01:51:43 » I apologize for hijacking the thread.  That said I have submitted a bug report with Ubuntu about this on my box.  If a solution is found it is possible that might work for your system in dual boot.
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Re: Linux on a MSI GT Series GT70 0ND-444US
« Reply #15 on: 03-March-13, 00:24:44 »

Harphauler,  Thank you.  Don't sweat it.

Max, that is a fine and dandy link... but again, all I get is a black screen.  I cannot get a Linux UEFI disk to boot.  Tell me how to get past the black screen hang, and then I can take it from there.

I personally think there is one of two things going on with this laptop:

1) There is a bug in the bios, and it needs fixing (I personally think this is the most likely)
2) There is some technology here being employed in this particular model of laptop that is so bleeding edge, that there are not yet any UEFI linux disks that will work with it.

So I ask:  Has anyone gotten linux installed on this laptop in UEFI mode while retaining their Windows 8 install?
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Re: Linux on a MSI GT Series GT70 0ND-444US
« Reply #16 on: 06-April-13, 04:34:14 »

grooveman, it's not so bleeding edge, it's MSI licking the toes of the great monopoly monster Microsoft: they probably set UEFI secure boot on this hardware which means it won't boot anything except Microsoft products. Ubuntu 12.10 has an UEFI secure boot live CD. For the moment, it's the only one that will boot under UEFI secure mode.

I was going to buy an MSI until I found out about this. I'm looking for a killer laptop but they all have Microsoft installed and locked into them. The Linux community is now considering it's options, but for the moment go find the Ubuntu 12.10 64-bit UEFI secure mode live CD. It's out there somewhere.

Good luck.
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« Reply #17 on: 27-May-13, 01:39:21 »

hi grooveman,
did you manage finding a solution or workaround in the meantime? currently experiencing exactly the same issues on a GT70-0NE :(
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Re: Linux on a MSI GT Series GT70 0ND-444US
« Reply #18 on: 28-May-13, 00:23:45 »

grooveman, it's not so bleeding edge, it's MSI licking the toes of the great monopoly monster Microsoft: they probably set UEFI secure boot on this hardware which means it won't boot anything except Microsoft products. Ubuntu 12.10 has an UEFI secure boot live CD. For the moment, it's the only one that will boot under UEFI secure mode.

I was going to buy an MSI until I found out about this. I'm looking for a killer laptop but they all have Microsoft installed and locked into them. The Linux community is now considering it's options, but for the moment go find the Ubuntu 12.10 64-bit UEFI secure mode live CD. It's out there somewhere.

Good luck.

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hi grooveman,
did you manage finding a solution or workaround in the meantime? currently experiencing exactly the same issues on a GT70-0NE :(

Doesn't appear so. Try the secure mode live CD.
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Re: Linux on a MSI GT Series GT70 0ND-444US
« Reply #19 on: 01-September-13, 13:09:44 »

For MSI GE60 and GE70 (this should also work for GT60/70)

    Enable UEFI with CSM
    Disable Suckure Boot
    Disable Fast Boot
    F10 save, while install-source (DVD/CD/USB) is connected
    Look in UEFI setup, under boot you should see your install-source with UEFI marked (otherwise something is fishy with your install medium)
    boot, and this should work. (tested with uefi grub 2.00 vanilla)

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Re: Linux on a MSI GT Series GT70 0ND-444US
« Reply #20 on: 06-December-13, 18:35:26 »

For MSI GE60 and GE70 (this should also work for GT60/70)

    Enable UEFI with CSM
    Disable Suckure Boot
    Disable Fast Boot
    F10 save, while install-source (DVD/CD/USB) is connected
    Look in UEFI setup, under boot you should see your install-source with UEFI marked (otherwise something is fishy with your install medium)
    boot, and this should work. (tested with uefi grub 2.00 vanilla)



I have not found "Fast Boot" in BIOS. How to disable Fast Boot?
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Re: Linux on a MSI GT Series GT70 0ND-444US
« Reply #21 on: 29-January-14, 19:37:23 »

This problem comes from the bios that will not recognize anything but was given by windows (I have gt70 too).

The trick to make it work, is to install your windows 8 in uefi (or it was preinstalled).

Then go to legacy modus install your linux flavor with efi support (since the msi bios won't recognize linux efi).

Then install rEFInd on your windows efi system drive( the trick is to do it by moving the original windows efi and replacing it by the rEFInd efi or by setting it up in windows as described here: /coderwall.com/p/vfyqkg)

go back to uefi with secureboot disabled

Boot as if you would boot windows boot manager, this will start rEFInd that will let you chose windows or linux!!!!

If you need details please ask...
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Re: Linux on a MSI GT Series GT70 0ND-444US
« Reply #22 on: 07-February-14, 16:01:40 »

This problem comes from the bios that will not recognize anything but was given by windows (I have gt70 too).

The trick to make it work, is to install your windows 8 in uefi (or it was preinstalled).

Then go to legacy modus install your linux flavor with efi support (since the msi bios won't recognize linux efi).

Then install rEFInd on your windows efi system drive( the trick is to do it by moving the original windows efi and replacing it by the rEFInd efi or by setting it up in windows as described here: /coderwall.com/p/vfyqkg)

go back to uefi with secureboot disabled

Boot as if you would boot windows boot manager, this will start rEFInd that will let you chose windows or linux!!!!

If you need details please ask...

I tried this and when I go to boot from rEFInd this pops up
"Starting vmlinuz-3.2.0.4-amd64
Using load options 'ro root=VVID=7f582bef-e457-45e5-9405-f3dd92fe5125 initrd=boot\initrd.img-3.2.0-4-amd64' "
It just stays at this and never boots debian. Any idea what the problem might be?
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Re: Linux on a MSI GT Series GT70 0ND-444US
« Reply #23 on: 03-March-14, 07:55:14 »

There is hope. I am a noob and managed to get my GT70 0ND-292US to dual boot Win 8.1 and Ubuntu 12.04.4 (64 bit).

I did it by using an external USB HDD for Linux and the internal SSD for Win 8.1.

Format the USB HDD as a UEFI boot disk, then install Ubuntu from the Live CD using the Something Else option and choose the USB HDD to boot from. When I boot with the USB HDD attached, Ubuntu boots automatically. When the USB HDD is not attached, the GRUB prompt appears directly after the MSI screen. Type 'exit' without the quotes and Win 8.1 starts.

Not an elegant solution, but it works.
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