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Title: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: brattak on 04-January-11, 23:55:58
i the bios 1.4 work but if i update the bios whit new release 1.6 when save and exit dont save reset to default
i face cmos but dont save only whit 1.4
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Svet on 05-January-11, 08:49:08
What message you got after save and exit?
OC failed ? Something else?

Read >>Posting Guide<< (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=38822.0) as well.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: m4r1k on 05-January-11, 13:07:17
Dear

I have the same problem with bios 1.6 and 1.73. After save & exit the screen remains lock and the only way to restart the computer is execute an reset. After this there isn't noting change...

Someone have any idea to solve this problem? Or is an problem of bios too much young?
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Ex Forum User 3 on 05-January-11, 14:34:34
Go back to your previous BIOS.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: m4r1k on 05-January-11, 14:59:44
Yes with 1.4 the process of save works but I would know if this problem is of a batch of mainboards fallacious or if only bios problem that with next official release will be solved :)
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Froggy Gremlin on 06-January-11, 05:11:17
Quote
Yes with 1.4 the process of save works but I would know if this problem is of a batch of mainboards
Looks to be a BIOS version related issue. Has 1.5 been tried? Notified MSI Tech Support yet?
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Hell on 10-January-11, 11:35:29
Hello,

I Have the same probleme.

Impossible to save the bios from 1.5 version of firmware.

1.4 works.

# CPU Intel i2500K
# Motherboard model : P67A-GD65. Bios 1.74
#  DDR3 corsaire Vengeance 2x4 Go 1600M
# ATI 6850 1G
# SSD Vertex2 60Go, Western Digital Caviar blue 500 Go 7200tr/min
# Any other peripheral cards and devices : none
# 64 bits system
# Antec HCG 520 watts

In the hope of finfing a fixe.

Hell
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Svet on 10-January-11, 11:38:08
Have you done >>Clear CMOS Guide<< (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=31222.0) with power cord removed after the flash?

Have you tried to flash the BIOS with >>Use the MSI HQ Forum USB flasher<< (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=116721.0) ?
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Froggy Gremlin on 10-January-11, 12:23:24
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# Motherboard model : P67A-GD65. Bios 1.74
Hold on a minute. You mean your board was shipped & delivered with BIOS 1.74? Why in the world would you want to downgrade to 1.5 or 1.6? :think:
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Hell on 10-January-11, 14:42:32
Nop, It was shipped with 1.4.

And I canot save the BIOS with 1.5, 1.6 and 1.74. i'm on 1.74 for testing.

I've already clear the CMOS, and I flash the bios only from the UEFI.

I can downgrade on 1.4, but I think it's important to reference this bug because many of us have the same problem.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Froggy Gremlin on 10-January-11, 23:17:23
I can downgrade on 1.4, but I think it's important to reference this bug because many of us have the same problem.
Then 'all' of you need to contact or open a ticket with MSI Tech Support & inform them so they can get busy on it. Being this is a user to user forum, it so rare an official MSI tech shows up here, this thread may never be read by someone who can do anything about it at the engineering level.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Jack on 11-January-11, 11:45:35
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and I flash the bios only from the UEFI.

There is a chance that the problems described here are not primarely caused by the BIOS/UEFI Versions themselves, but rather by the flashing method used to update to the respective versions.  These kind of things have happened before as a result of MSI Live Update flashes, M-Flash flashes and AMI Recovery Flashes.  I do not know what caused such CMOS related problems in particular, however, such issues are not likely to appear when the >> MSI HQ Forum USB Tool<< (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=116721.0) is used to prepare an USB Flash Drive for a safe DOS based flash which utilizes the proper AMI/Aptio Flashing Utility for DOS and the recommended flash commands/switches.

Before everybody starts blaming the BIOS Releases themselves for the "don't save" problem, please try an update with the help of the MSIHQ Utility. I know a user in the German Forum who has used it without problems, now using the latest 1.7b4 release.  He has not reported any CMOS Setting problems whatsoever. And yes, he used the latest version of the MSIHQ Utility to update his BIOS.  So, perhaps the "solution" is just as simple as that.

The board has a secondary BACKUP BIOS Chip, so the risk of performing more test flashes is quite manageable.  :biggthumbsup:
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Hell on 11-January-11, 12:54:36
Ok, I will try this method. I'll give you a feed back when it will be done.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Jack on 11-January-11, 12:55:40
 :biggthumbsup:

Don't forget to unplug your PSU from A/C power and >>Clear CMOS<< (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=31222.0) after the flash.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: charismo on 11-January-11, 22:40:00
hi.. i have tried with the usb boot method, followed by clear cmos, and i still get the "no  save" issue with 1.6 and 1.7..
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Svet on 11-January-11, 23:19:39
By USB method you mean you used the ==> >>Use the MSI HQ Forum USB flasher<< (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=116721.0)
or something else?
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: charismo on 12-January-11, 00:30:20
By USB method you mean you used the ==> >>Use the MSI HQ Forum USB flasher<< (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=116721.0)
or something else?

Hi Svet, yes - I used the MSI HQ Forum USB flasher.. along with all of the instructions given in the guides, including clearing the CMOS afterwards.

When I go back to 1.4, everything works again. I get the save issue in both 1.6 and 1.7b4 - the mouse freezes and the computer just sits there until hard reset.

I want 1.7b4 for the pll overvolt fix.. at the moment I can't get past 4.2 ghz with i7-2600k and a high perf noctua cooler, fairly sure it is not the cpu/temp/volts holding me back.

I also have a very strange issue in the bios is reporting my CPU as running at 20 GHz (which it clearly isn't) - although windows cpuz reports the correct speed. A very similar issue for my DRAM speeds, they are also reported as being something extremely high in the bios but are correct in cpuz.

There is also an issue with turning off spread spectrum in 1.6/1.7 - when I do this, the bios hangs (same way as it hangs when trying to save in 1.6/1.7, mouse freezes and have to hard reset).

In short quite a number of issues here.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Svet on 12-January-11, 00:32:12
You can report issues to MSI here:
http://support.msi.com/
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: charismo on 12-January-11, 00:56:11
Thanks Svet, I have reported them and pointed them at this thread.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: DerBert on 12-January-11, 09:15:38
I have the very same problem. Bios 1.4 works just fine, but anything newer and I get a freeze on save. Back to 1.4 and it saves without freeze. I tried M-Flash and MSIHQUT 1.19e. Both ways flash without any problem, but I can't save - the system freezes and just sits on the Bios screen until I do a reset. Everything is on stock speeds, the temperatures are well within range and memtest shows no problems.
And to tackle that question before it comes up - I followed all the procedures including clearing the CMOS.

System:

Board: P67A-GD65
CPU: i5-2500K
RAM: 2x4GB G.Skill Ripjaws F3-12800 (running on 1333 at the moment)
Storage: Intel X25-M G2
PSU: Seasonic X-460

I've already contacted support. Let's see what they come up with.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Jack on 12-January-11, 09:29:28
This really is a strange issue, especially because there are also other users who do not have this kind of problem with newer BIOS Versions than v1.4:

http://msi-forum.de/index.php?page=Thread&postID=768624#post768624
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=144645.msg1076955#msg1076955
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=144672.msg1077001#msg1077001
http://msi-forum.de/index.php?page=Thread&postID=768443#post768443

Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: charismo on 12-January-11, 12:16:00
I wonder too if it might be a specific version of the mobo. At this stage I am unfortunately looking at returning it and going with asus instead (don't really want to rip my system open again but will if I have to).

I heard there is a 1.8 beta bios out there somewhere (saw it on a german website)... I wonder if we can get access to it here, I would like to try it to see if it helps.

Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Svet on 12-January-11, 13:44:02
Flash to attached version:, then see how it goes with that one

MSIHQ: Information detected by MSIHQ Tool ver: 1.19e
MSIHQ: Report generated in 12/01/2011 at 14:28:33,94
*********************************
Mainboard:  P67A-GD55 (MS-7681)
PCB Version:  1.0/2.0
BIOS Version: V1.8B5
BIOS Date:  01/12/2011
*********************************
(https://forum-en.msi.com/moderator/pics/svet/1.gif)>>Use the MSI HQ Forum USB flasher<< (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=116721.0)(https://forum-en.msi.com/moderator/pics/svet/1.gif)

The BIOS is also for P67A-GD65 and P67A-GD53.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: DerBert on 12-January-11, 15:12:45
Just tried 1.8b5, but unfortunately no improvement. It flashes without problems, I clear the CMOS, go into the BIOS, hit "save and exit" and that's it. Freeze.
Back to 1.4 and the problem is gone. It makes no sense.
To rule out as much as possible - I tried flashing with just the keyboard and one memory module, no other peripherals, no SATA-devices attached - but of course: no difference as well. Freeze on save.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: charismo on 12-January-11, 15:21:48
I'm at work right now so I can't test it, but can you try without the mouse plugged in?
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Jack on 12-January-11, 15:24:52
It is of crucial importance that all of you who are experiencing this problem get in touch with MSI Technical Support to report the issue: http://support.msi.com/

 
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: DerBert on 12-January-11, 15:28:28
Like I said - just the keyboard, no other peripherals. The mouse wasn't plugged in.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: charismo on 12-January-11, 15:32:00
It is of crucial importance that all of you who are experiencing this problem get in touch with MSI Technical Support to report the issue: http://support.msi.com/

 

Hi Jack, as mentioned earlier, I have raised this issue with MSi. So far the ticket is just sitting as "processed" but no reply.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Jack on 12-January-11, 15:38:30
Yeah, I have read that you have already done that.  My statement was meant as a piece general advice to all users experiencing this problem and have not reported it to technical support yet.  The more users file an individual report the better in terms of immediate attention to the issue.   :biggthumbsup:

Because of the fact that a lot of users do not have this problem with any of the BIOS Versions mentioned here, it may be somewhat difficult to reproduce.  That is why it is important that precise system specifications are given to determine if this is some kind of compatibility problem with a type of component which the problematic cases gathered here have a common.

The idea that this could have been caused by a compatibility issue with certain SSDs was more or less proved wrong by DerBert's test. 

Perhaps another component that deserves attention are the video cards used here. 

@DerBert:  What video card is in your system (brand/model name)?
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: charismo on 12-January-11, 15:39:21
Yup. I'm a bit worried that so far there don't seem to be that many people complaining about this issue - I can't find it elsewhere on the net.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Jack on 12-January-11, 15:44:25
There are five different cases of the same problem (exact same symptoms) gathering in this topic.  That is already quite a lot.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: charismo on 12-January-11, 17:11:58
Hi Jack, I don't see the 1.8 attachment - did you take it down? I would like to try it..
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Jack on 12-January-11, 17:12:54
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=144484.msg1077083#msg1077083
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: charismo on 12-January-11, 17:40:54
thanks, tried it.. still doesn't work.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Jack on 12-January-11, 17:55:12
Yes, I think we have established that already after DerBert posted his own test results.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: charismo on 12-January-11, 18:08:02
well - not necessarily, it's good to get multiple results. If it turns out that Derbert and I have the same revision of mobo or something like that it is good to see as many results as possible across multiple bios versions.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Jack on 12-January-11, 18:42:43
Yeah, you got a point there.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: klaasvaag on 12-January-11, 23:37:46

Sadly i have the same problem.

P67A-GD65 used latest posted bios version here 1.8b and also the MSI HQ Flash tool (and booted form USB -stick and did the bios upgrade).
Still freezes.

I7-2600K
ati 6950
2*4 gb Corsair Vengeance 1600 c8 memory
Corsair 750 watt powersupply.
CM 690 II advanced case
Ps/2 keyboard

Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Jack on 12-January-11, 23:41:02
Okay, please report your problem here as well: http://support.msi.com/
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: klaasvaag on 12-January-11, 23:52:41
Done, will go back to 1.4 for the time being.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Warner on 13-January-11, 00:08:50
Can you update it to the latest version v1.7?
http://download2.msi.com/files/downloads/bos_exe/7681v17.zip

After update, please disconnect the AC cord from your power supply for 10 seconds, reconnect it and power it on.
Press DEL to enter UEFI, and load defaults, then press F10 to save & exit.

Sincerely,
Warner
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: charismo on 13-January-11, 00:30:09
hi, unfortunately this didn't help either :(. same problem.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: BillyPT on 13-January-11, 00:40:02
I'm in the same situation ....
After having used the version 1.70 still works sometimes, then corrupted the bios after the recovery did me the same thing, happens when I enter the bios tell me that the CPU is 20.00G, and not save, only save whoth version 1.4 and, but the bug of 20G always keeps!!
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Jack on 13-January-11, 01:02:02
Okay, please report your problem here as well: http://support.msi.com/
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Warner on 13-January-11, 01:15:04
Did you flash UEFI using M-Flash? If not, can you try flashing using M-Flash?

Thanks.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: klaasvaag on 13-January-11, 09:19:37

Used the 1.7 version flashed using your description (M-flash). then disconnected the power cord.
Got into the bios and did load setup defaults......... and again freezes.

Also did some CLear CMOS afterwards but still freezes.....

appreciate you helping us.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: DerBert on 13-January-11, 09:49:31
Same here. I've tried flashing with M-Flash and the MSI HQ flash utility. Still no difference. 1.4 works fine, everything after (I've tried 1.5, 1.6, 1.7b4, 1.7, 1.8b5) results in a freeze on save. The problem seems to be the saving, as both "Save Changes" and "Save Changes and Reset" freeze the system.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: thor1112 on 13-January-11, 10:16:28
Hi I have a similar problem to this. The BIOS says the CPU clock speed is 20.84GHz as others have mentioned - but for me once I see that the system locks up within 5 seconds. This is very annoying as I can't change any settings in the OC screen. What's more annoying is that I'm running BIOS version 1.4 which others have got working fine. Full details below.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Froggy Gremlin on 13-January-11, 10:28:47
Is everybody placing just one RAM stick in the primary dimm slot with these boards as instructed in the manual for the initial startup? With these boards, it is the first 'BLUE' slot next to the CPU, not the 2nd black like P/H55 & X58.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: thor1112 on 13-January-11, 10:35:53
Is everybody placing just one RAM stick in the primary dimm slot with these boards as instructed in the manual for the initial startup? With these boards, it is the first 'BLUE' slot next to the CPU, not the 2nd black like P/H55 & X58.

I put 2 sticks of RAM in... does this make a difference because my computer is running fine other than this one issue. The manual says "always insert the memory modules into the DIMM1 first" but it doesn't say anything about using just 1 stick of RAM (it's dual channel how could I use jsut one stick of RAM)  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: DerBert on 13-January-11, 10:38:37
I did try flashing with just one module inserted. Doesn't make a difference.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: BillyPT on 13-January-11, 10:44:04
I've been told as a flash, followed all the steps, already tested with only one dimm and is always the same!

From what I see there is a lot of people with this problem ... somebody else had this problem after a recovery bios?
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Froggy Gremlin on 13-January-11, 10:45:32
Initial startup, one stick RAM, load OS & drivers, etc., then add the other stick or sticks. Didn't want to start a debate about it, just a build hint. Didn't intend to get this thread off topic.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: charismo on 13-January-11, 11:04:15
in my opinion the DIMM discussion is irrelevant in this thread. It might be "best practice" but I find it highly unlikely that it would actually affect the outcome. In my over 15 years building PCs and flashing BIOSs it has never made any difference where the DIMMs are populated.

Now back on topic.. I would like to know how much attention this has at MSI right now. I see we have a technician posting in here, but my ticket is still just "processed" and no official response from MSI yet, even though they say they will reply within 24 hours.

I find it hard to believe that a modern commercial product can be released with so many bugs. 20 ghz processor listed in bios, seriously?

Sorry - my patience is getting a little thin. Just want to try to get some official feedback that MSI at least recognise this problem.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Froggy Gremlin on 13-January-11, 11:19:21
Quote
in my opinion the DIMM discussion is irrelevant in this thread. It might be "best practice" but I find it highly unlikely that it would actually affect the outcome. In my over 15 years building PCs and flashing BIOSs it has never made any difference where the DIMMs are populated.
Like I said, it wasn't meant to start debate, just a build hint charismo. So please stop. If you want answers, contact MSI Tech Support & don't :censored: & moan here. It won't do any good. RAM population with P/H55 & now P67 'does' seem to be a factor. Otherwise why would MSI make a point of it? But again, no response required & the forum rules prevent arguing & ongoing debate.

Quote
I find it hard to believe that a modern commercial product can be released with so many bugs. 20 ghz processor listed in bios, seriously? Sorry - my patience is getting a little thin. Just want to try to get some official feedback that MSI at least recognise this problem.
Having Warner post in this thread should be proof enough they are aware. :-))
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: DerBert on 13-January-11, 11:24:04
I've opened a ticket yesterday as well and have got two responses since then. The first one yesterday, in which they asked me to check the CMOS battery. I've posted the results of further testing including the 1.8b5 bios and got a second response this morning. Quote:

"We will check this issue then get back to you as soon as possible.

Best regards,
MSI Technical Support Team"

They are aware of the problem and are working on it. But the processor being shown running at 20.26GHz even in 1.7 and 1.8b5 is a little odd, considering the board was designed to run them.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Hell on 13-January-11, 11:25:21
French MSI support work on it too.

The problem they have actualy is to get a motherboard with this problem.

So if I get news from the french community, I will share you !
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Jack on 13-January-11, 11:29:15
Now, that at least some of you have reported the problem to technical support, you definately have their attention.  As I said before, they will usually try to reproduce the issue first before they can attempt to fix it.  Since there quite a lot of other users out there who do not have this problem (even though system configurations are similar), reproducing the problem may not be that simple.  However, MSI is definately looking into it.

Quote
So if I get news from the french community, I will share you !

 :biggthumbsup:

-------------

Technical Support in Germany is looking into it as well.

Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: charismo on 13-January-11, 11:32:49
thanks guys..

sorry about the rant.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Froggy Gremlin on 13-January-11, 11:36:31
No problem charismo. We are all in this together & want everything to succeed. :-))

Added: I should have kept the build hint to myself. Bad judgement on my part. All have my sincere apology.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: charismo on 13-January-11, 11:53:23
Hi all, I just got this response:

Quote
Dear xyz,

Thanks for contacting MSI Technical Support Team!
Regarding your concern, kindly please visit following link to download and update to the latest BIOS E7681IMS.185 for a try:

ftp

Have a nice day & a good mood!

Thanks & Best Regards,
MSI Technical Support Team!

from what I can tell this is just the 1.8b5 that we have already tried. I have replied and asked them to look more into the saving config aspect of the bios since that is where the issue is, and that it seems to have been introduced from 1.5+.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Jack on 13-January-11, 12:15:17
There has not been a single-step update from v1.4 to v1.5.  Several BETA-Releases have been in between that are all based on each other (v1.4(0) [Final Release] -> v1.5b1 -> v1.5b2 -> v1.5b3 -> v1.5b4 -> v1.5b5 -> v1.5b6 -> v1.5b7 -> v1.5(0) [Final Release]).

Each BETA Release contains quite a few different fixes.  Of course it would be interesting to find out since which of the 7 BETA Releases the problems mentioned here actually start occuring to be able to narrow down which modification on the way to the v1.5(0) Final release could be responsible for the situation.  Unfortunately, I have been unable to find any of the v1.5bx BETA Releases and cannot provide any of them to those of you that are willing to do some further tests.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: charismo on 13-January-11, 12:19:37
I would be willing to do this providing I could get the BIOS versions, it would indeed be very helpful to MSI to isolate where the bug was introduced.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: klaasvaag on 13-January-11, 12:26:24
same here
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: DerBert on 13-January-11, 12:34:44
I'd like to test the different betas as well.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Phreaky- on 13-January-11, 12:36:16
MSI P67a-GD65
GEiL ValuePlus 16GB DDR3, 9-9-9-24, 1333Mhz @ 1.5V
Intel Core i5-2500K
Intel G2 'Postville' 80GB SSD
MSI 460GTX Cyclone
Enermax Modu 82+

I seem to have to same problem and more problems...

When I boot my PC i get several beeps and in the right-bottom corner I get the number 98 and then it changes to B4 and my pc hangs for a few minutes after that it boots fine. Anyone an idea why it does that?

But if I check the bios settings my pc is running @ 20+ Ghz or something and my memory is running @ 2133Mhz. At least that is what the bios thinks it does.
<< Solved after CLEAR CMOS see manual page en-22

If I want to change the cpu base clock the Bios (1.4) freezes. << Bad Idea according a forum member

I updated the bios to 1.5 and I got the same issue as you guys. Still the boot problem so it takes about 5 minutes to boot. But now I can't save the bios settings, bios freezes. The Mouse doesn't work I can move the cursor but only from left to right not from top to bottom.

When I boot into Windows 7 everything seems 100% ok. My Core i5 2500K runs according to Windows 7 @ 3,3Ghz and my memory @ 1333 Mhz 9-9-9-20 @ 1.5V so the MSI bios is really messed up. I will send this to support as well.

I Will try the 1.8b5 bios and the one Dimm method..
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: charismo on 13-January-11, 12:44:20
Phreaky, one piece of advice (sorry it is a bit off topic here) - don't change your BCLK. There are numerous reports out there that this is killing CPUs prematurely. You don't need to change it to get a good OC anyway.

Hopefully once we get a working bios with PLL overvolt fix, we will be able to hit some decent OCs by just using the multiplier.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Jack on 13-January-11, 12:47:24
I would be willing to do this providing I could get the BIOS versions, it would indeed be very helpful to MSI to isolate where the bug was introduced.
same here
I'd like to test the different betas as well.

As I said, unfortunately, I could not get a hold of all these BETA Releases.  The only one I have here is v1.5b5 which probably won't help much.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: charismo on 13-January-11, 12:54:49
Jack, post that one up, it's a starting point.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Phreaky- on 13-January-11, 13:34:37
Thank you Charismo i did not know that :S I don't even want to overclock the CPU but because i got the wrong numbers i thought maybe i should change that number. Now i know it's a bad idea.

I fixed the 20Ghz, 2133Mhz problem. I did a clear CMOS reset and the BIOS shows me the correct numbers now :)

All other problems still exist even after that 1.8b5 so the best option for me now is 1.4.

UPDATE
Ok now I am really getting annoyed. I went back to BIOS 1.4 did CLEAR CMOS, numbers were correct after a reboot I have incorrect CPU / Memory numbers again. Maybe empty battery?

UPDATE 2
Changed  the battery, that had no effect at all :( Time for a break for me..
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: BillyPT on 13-January-11, 15:35:03
There has not been a single-step update from v1.4 to v1.5.  Several BETA-Releases have been in between that are all based on each other (v1.4(0) [Final Release] -> v1.5b1 -> v1.5b2 -> v1.5b3 -> v1.5b4 -> v1.5b5 -> v1.5b6 -> v1.5b7 -> v1.5(0) [Final Release]).

Each BETA Release contains quite a few different fixes.  Of course it would be interesting to find out since which of the 7 BETA Releases the problems mentioned here actually start occuring to be able to narrow down which modification on the way to the v1.5(0) Final release could be responsible for the situation.  Unfortunately, I have been unable to find any of the v1.5bx BETA Releases and cannot provide any of them to those of you that are willing to do some further tests.

I never user the 1.5 verison, and have the same problem!!! :(
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Jack on 13-January-11, 15:41:13
Please let's not mix up symptoms in here! The issue this thread is about is this one:

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when save and exit dont save reset to default
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After save & exit the screen remains lock and the only way to restart the computer is execute an reset. After this there isn't noting change...
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Impossible to save the bios from 1.5 version of firmware.
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I canot save the BIOS with 1.5, 1.6 and 1.74
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I get the save issue in both 1.6 and 1.7b4 - the mouse freezes and the computer just sits there until hard reset.
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Bios 1.4 works just fine, but anything newer and I get a freeze on save.

Let's keep this thread about this issue for the sake of clarity.  All other issues not directly related to this problem should be kept out of here. Thank you.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: BillyPT on 13-January-11, 16:03:44
Please let's not mix up symptoms in here! The issue this thread is about is this one:

Let's keep this thread about this issue for the sake of clarity.  All other issues not directly related to this problem should be kept out of here. Thank you.

Yes i have this and the 20G bug :(
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Jack on 13-January-11, 16:08:47
Yes, but you said that the "save" issue does not exist with version 1.4:

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only save whoth version 1.4 and, but the bug of 20G always keeps!!

And that is what I mean: let's not make this thread more confusing.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: BillyPT on 13-January-11, 16:49:22
Yes, but you said that the "save" issue does not exist with version 1.4:

And that is what I mean: let's not make this thread more confusing.

Ok, i understand the 20g bug isn´t on this thread!!!
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Phreaky- on 13-January-11, 18:53:40
Why not Jack?

Just like BillyPT I have the save issues (like everyone else) and the numbers mixed up maybe they're somewhat related but ok let's concentrate on the save issues. That's more important.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Styxy on 13-January-11, 19:40:13
Same issue freezes on saving and exiting (pressing yes) and not saving anything. Hope this gets sorted soon or I think I'll be returning it.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Hell on 14-January-11, 09:20:00
Just to say, I work with a technician of the MSI french support.

We tried yesterday to flash a new BIOS (1.86) and a new firmware but doesn't work.

All, can you give me CPU/RAM/HDD/GPU/ALIM and the serial number of your mobal by private message. You can find the serial number on the box.

It will help them to find the solution.

Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Styxy on 14-January-11, 10:37:15
Just to say, I work with a technician of the MSI french support.

We tried yesterday to flash a new BIOS (1.86) and a new firmware but doesn't work.

All, can you give me CPU/RAM/HDD/GPU/ALIM and the serial number of your mobal by private message. You can find the serial number on the box.

It will help them to find the solution.



Sorry but with the rebate I am not giving this kind of information away to someone with 5 posts and no identifiable MSI credentials.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: charismo on 14-January-11, 10:56:23
Also what is ALIM?

I'm at work so can't get my serial number just now. Will send later (I also don't have any rebate so I don't care).
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Hell on 14-January-11, 10:58:40
Sorry but with the rebate I am not giving this kind of information away to someone with 5 posts and no identifiable MSI credentials.
I understand, it's normal ^^.

It doesn't matter, so just have to wait in the hope they finding the solution.

I will post the solution if we found.

Also what is ALIM?

I'm at work so can't get my serial number just now. Will send later (I also don't have any rebate so I don't care).

Sorry , ALIM  is in french, it's the PSU
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: klaasvaag on 14-January-11, 11:43:04

Okay,

because a bios upgrade is out of the question (any higher than my current 1.4) i decided to see if my PC is stable on this 1.4

Sadly, this is not the case. I had a blue screen all ready and Prime95 confirms this. Torture test (blend, all workers active) after 1.5 hours crashes the pc.
Blue screen notification suspects hardware issues.

i downloaded memtest Memtest86_3.5a and this crashes directly when you try to use it (boot from the cd, you can see a brief screen of memtest after you choose the option (1,2 or 3)).

i can live with a bios version that is somewhat older (i know it will get fixed that we can update it). But that my machine isn't stable at just setup defaults (no oc, will wait for that when i have a good firmware) settings at 1.4 is a little bit frustrating.

Using Corsair Vengeance 8 GB 1600 mhz cl8 sticks.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Jack on 14-January-11, 11:48:23
You need a newer version of memtest86+ that supports P67 Platforms: http://forum.canardpc.com/showpost.php?p=3837739&postcount=1

However, troubleshooting stability issues on individual system should really not become part of this thread.  You are welcome to start your own topic in the  Intel Core-iX.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: klaasvaag on 14-January-11, 12:04:21
Thanks Jack, will do.  :biggthumbsup:
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Styxy on 14-January-11, 16:21:16
Got excited when I saw a 1.7 bios with todays date as the upload date. Sadly the excitement was soon gone when the thing froze after save and exit'ing. Gonna write a note to where I bought mine now I think. MSI support is slow and don't really tell you what is currently happening. For all I know no one is working on this. Seems to be only some boards so will probably need to return it anyway so may aswell return now for a full refund and buy a brand that maybe doesn't have a stable bios, but atleast they can save.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Hell on 14-January-11, 16:25:09
Can you try this BIOS and say me if it's works ?

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=EQKADBBD (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=EQKADBBD)

You have to install this BIOS on a bootable key. Be careful, It will flash you're firmware !

So do not turn off you're computer during the flash until you see back the C:

Wait around 10 minutes during the flash.

For my case, it doesn't work, I will try to clear the CMOS on my card.

But for many users, it seems working.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Styxy on 14-January-11, 16:30:07
As I said before I am not following help from someone with a low post count and no MSI affiliation. If this is a possible fix they should be telling me through MSI support.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Hell on 14-January-11, 16:39:48
It's up to you.

We have a french support MSi on the web community www.hardware.fr on this topic

http://forum.hardware.fr/hfr/Hardware/carte-mere/unique-cartes-bridge-sujet_878060_87.htm (http://forum.hardware.fr/hfr/Hardware/carte-mere/unique-cartes-bridge-sujet_878060_87.htm)

If you understand the french, maybe you will find many informations. I've got this link from this web community.

After, I saw the problem is worlwide, I try to share informations from the differents community.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Styxy on 14-January-11, 16:43:21
Ok well I have sent off a returns form with the company I bought from so I gave your bios a try and it still doesn't save. I'll read your french post with chrome to translate it. I just find it weird that a lot of people have no problems so I think it is a defect on some boards.
I can't do the bat file thing because I am on 64bit OS. Will make the pendrive using laptop and try it again. Used MSI HQ usb thing before with just the bios file.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Hell on 14-January-11, 16:55:32
Yes, in France, we are 4 for the moment to have this problem.

This topic talk about anything about the mobal, not just about the save problem
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Styxy on 14-January-11, 16:56:51
Does Brice speak english? I am not sure what I am meant to be doing to also install the Firmware ASWELL AS the bios. Does the firmware install from OS or does that also install from booted USB drive.
Because I cannot run the bat, or the Firmware exe on windows 64bit. And I don't want to run the bat on a 32bit laptop if it is gonna install the new firmware from the OS and break the laptop.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Hell on 14-January-11, 17:04:54
Yes, I think Brice speak english.

The Bat is automatically execute during the flash.

You just have to put all files on usb key bootable, after re-boot. On the DOS screen tape ''7681v186" and wait until you see back C: don't turn off before.

A second person try it, but it seems doesn't work.

Brice say us, it's works in some country ???
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Styxy on 14-January-11, 17:09:23
Well I tried that and some blue writing just kept typing on screen super fast and just kept spamming it :/
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: klaasvaag on 14-January-11, 17:32:15
hmmm isn't this all being caused by not supported memory (in my case corsair vengeance CMZ8GX3M2A1600c8) for this board?


Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Styxy on 14-January-11, 17:40:30
No.
How do you make a usb bootable. I used MSI HQ way to do it before but I am sure that is messing with the files in the BIOS zips?
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Phreaky- on 14-January-11, 18:20:21
New development I solved one of my problems:

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When I boot my PC i get several beeps and in the right-bottom corner I get the number 98 and then it changes to B4 and my pc hangs for a few minutes after that it boots fine. Anyone an idea why it does that?

I found out that POST error 98 does reset my mouse. So I changed my mouse and the problem is gone :) Now my system boots up normal. The problem occurs with a Steelseries XAI Laser Mouse. I will contact Steelseries about this. I replaced it with a  mouse from Logitech.

About the BIOS not saving, I contacted MSI Tech support and got a reply that they are looking into the problem and will come up with a fix but please be patient.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Svet on 14-January-11, 20:00:30
No.
How do you make a usb bootable. I used MSI HQ way to do it before but I am sure that is messing with the files in the BIOS zips?

This 3th party image is not compatible with the Tool.

Adjusted and compatible version with the Tool:
https://forum-en.msi.com/moderator/pics/186_ME1164_MSIHQ_Tool.rar
Will also flash to 186 + ME at once
BIOS Info: V1.8B6 , 01/13/2011
For:
-> P67A-GD65
-> P67A-GD55
-> P67A-GD53
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Svet on 14-January-11, 20:20:30
This 3th party image is not compatible with the Tool.

Adjusted and compatible version with the Tool:
https://forum-en.msi.com/moderator/pics/186_ME1164_MSIHQ_Tool.rar
Will also flash to 186 + ME at once
BIOS Info: V1.8B6 , 01/13/2011
For:
-> P67A-GD65
-> P67A-GD55
-> P67A-GD53

Forgot to mention that this image version mention above is for >>MSI HQ Forum USB flasher<< (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=116721.0) only.
/* It will not works for anything else */
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Styxy on 14-January-11, 20:47:14
Well I don't really have a clue what you just said. The USB I have been using for MSI HQ USB Flashing tool, for some reason no longer boots just skips through to windows. Tried doing the reformat thing in the tool twice again but no luck no longer boots. My other penstick just says no boot partition in table. I just did the "Fix my USB key..." and then afterwards did "Point to MSI BIOS Archive" and selected the one you linked above. Tried booting and it just skipped through to windows HP tool makes no difference, and yes USB is selected as first boot option in bios. But obviously I can't disable everything else as saving in BIOS just crashes.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Svet on 14-January-11, 20:52:26
Since when you no longer can boot from the usb stick?
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Styxy on 14-January-11, 20:54:03
Since about 2 hours ago. reformatted it several times to try get it to work but no luck.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Svet on 14-January-11, 20:56:23
Since about 2 hours ago. reformatted it several times to try get it to work but no luck.

after the last sucessfull boot from the usb key, have you flashed the bios?
or if you flashed your bios with the USB key before, have you tried to boot from the same usb key after that?
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Styxy on 14-January-11, 21:21:34
It just doesn't boot from it anymore. I give up. I have had enough of this constant flashing to try and get the bios to work. Back to 1.1 now through live update and the board is going back next week. Had no response from MSI Support all day so for all I know no one is working on the issue because so few people have it. Thanks for the help but I've had enough.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Svet on 14-January-11, 21:24:09
It just doesn't boot from it anymore. I give up. I have had enough of this constant flashing to try and get the bios to work. Back to 1.1 now through live update and the board is going back next week. Had no response from MSI Support all day so for all I know no one is working on the issue because so few people have it. Thanks for the help but I've had enough.

Flash back to the BIOS version which you was able to boot from the USB key.
Then try again to boot from the USB stick to flash to 1.86+ME
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Styxy on 14-January-11, 21:27:15
I did. Just skips past it and straight onto windows still. Little _ flashings in top left for a few seconds. I have even unplugged every other harddrive etc and it just said something about no bootable device. This penstick was working fine earlier so really haven't got a clue but I really can't be bothered anymore. I'll just stick to 1.1 until I get another board.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Svet on 14-January-11, 21:29:09
I did. Just skips past it and straight onto windows still. Little _ flashings in top left for a few seconds. I have even unplugged every other harddrive etc and it just said something about no bootable device. This penstick was working fine earlier so really haven't got a clue but I really can't be bothered anymore. I'll just stick to 1.1 until I get another board.

Try >>Clear CMOS Guide<< (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=31222.0) with power cord removed and re-test.
Else try create a bootable USB stick by following this guide:
http://www.bay-wolf.com/usbmemstick.htm
Then try to boot from the stick
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Styxy on 14-January-11, 21:53:57
Ok I got it to boot using that method. Installed the BIOS AND The Firmware fine. Shutdown system, reset cmos, unplugged machine, bled capacitors using power button, reset cmos again to be sure. Plugged back in, restarted, went to bios, pressed f10, pressed enter. AND BOOM. It crashed again. I guess there will be no update over the weekend because they won't pay someone to fix an issue for 10-15 people out of all the sales so I am now 100% returning it.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: klaasvaag on 14-January-11, 22:27:00
Hi i will try the new bios version in combination with MSI HQ flash tomorrow. First finishing a round (with 1 ram stick) of memtest86+ ,after 4 hours still no errors (with 2 sticks i had errors after 1.5 hours).

If this is okay ill flash it using this one (good) stick and see if that makes any difference.

Cheers and appreciate the feed-back. Hope you have weekend also  X-((
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: klaasvaag on 14-January-11, 22:36:16


Hmm i read stories that people had simular symtoms and ended up with a dual memory kit that wasn't okay. after replacing they could save again.... also new bios.

Hmm all should check their memory stability to be sure i recon....
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Styxy on 14-January-11, 22:43:21
I very much doubt it others on OCUK have same ram and mobo with no problems.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Svet on 14-January-11, 23:38:22
Well I tried that and some blue writing just kept typing on screen super fast and just kept spamming it :/

Because the image which you used from this megaupload com link,
was not compatible with the Tool and update was not performed and it bypassed quickly to the last stage.


This 3th party image is not compatible with the Tool.

Adjusted and compatible version with the Tool:
https://forum-en.msi.com/moderator/pics/186_ME1164_MSIHQ_Tool.rar
Will also flash to 186 + ME at once
BIOS Info: V1.8B6 , 01/13/2011
For:
-> P67A-GD65
-> P67A-GD55
-> P67A-GD53

Forgot to mention that this image version mention above is for >>MSI HQ Forum USB flasher<< (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=116721.0) only.
/* It will not works for anything else */

Well I don't really have a clue what you just said.

I'm saying that if you use this image [186_ME1164_MSIHQ_Tool.rar] with regular procedures/guides like:
http://www.bay-wolf.com/usbmemstick.htm
E.g., if you follow this steps:

Yes, I think Brice speak english.

The Bat is automatically execute during the flash.

You just have to put all files on usb key bootable, after re-boot. On the DOS screen tape ''7681v186" and wait until you see back C: don't turn off before.

A second person try it, but it seems doesn't work.

Brice say us, it's works in some country ???

if you use the 186_ME1164_MSIHQ_Tool.rar it will return an error and nothing will hapend.
E.g. nothing will be updated.
E.g. the 186_ME1164_MSIHQ_Tool.rar is only for >>MSI HQ Forum USB flasher<< (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=116721.0)
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Styxy on 15-January-11, 00:00:50
Ye I understood afterwards. But as I said it didn't work anyway even with updated firmware.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Svet on 15-January-11, 00:14:33
I would suggest to everybody who has this "non saving issue",
to read >>Posting Guide<< (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=38822.0) and to provide full system specifications.
This will help issue to be isolated and resolved ASAP
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Froggy Gremlin on 15-January-11, 00:56:17
I would suggest to everybody who has this "non saving issue",
to read >>Posting Guide<< (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=38822.0) and to provide full system specifications.
This will help issue to be isolated and resolved ASAP
Svet is 100% spot on. It can reveal a common denominator or other important factor. Sadly, in another thread, a poster told me it was 'irrelevent' to list anything other than board, CPU, & RAM. Please, take the time to list your complete component list. Even the +12V amps on the PSU's rail(s) can be important. :-))
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: DerBert on 15-January-11, 08:35:32
Well, then let's start listing the systems.

Here's mine:

Board: MSI P67A-GD65 2.0 Bios 1.4
CPU: i5-2500K
RAM: 2x4GB G.Skill Ripjaws F3-12800CL9D-8GBRL running at 1333 9 9 9 25 2T 1.5V
GPU: Gigabyte ATI Radeon 5850
PSU: Seasonic X-460 (+12V: 38A)
SSD: Intel X25-M G2 80GB
HDD: Samsung HD204UI 2TB

The memory passed 5 hours of prime's torture test on 1600 9 9 9 25 2T 1.5V without problems.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Styxy on 15-January-11, 11:55:24
I have already told support my system. It is irrelevant nothing apart from cpu and same amount of ram is same in DerBerts system. Board is going back on Tuesday and I am going to another brand. And I am also guessing now it is weekend I won't see a response to my support ticket until monday.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Froggy Gremlin on 15-January-11, 13:04:03
Quote
I have already told support my system. It is irrelevant  nothing apart from cpu and same amount of ram is same in DerBerts system.

Styxy, you are missing some of the point. This is a user to user forum. As such, it 'is' relevent. The forum is not official MSI Tech Support, & sometimes the forum members can spot what the trouble may be by components in a system. It may also help other users & forum visitors to get an idea of what others are using & what components work & don't work. Jack, Svet, Henry, Mark, & the other forum Admins & Mods put a lot of free time & effort to help everyone resolve their problems & questions. No one is paid here, all volunteer. Cut the forum some slack. Have a nice day & good luck with Brand X! :hat tip:   
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: klaasvaag on 15-January-11, 13:12:04
Hi memtest revealed one broken ram stick. Used just the one that is okay and flashed the bios to the newest evrsion using:

the 186_ME1164_MSIHQ_Tool.rar in combination with >>MSI HQ Forum USB flasher<< (runned USB flasher and pointed directly to the beta bios file and created the usb stick.

Bios upgrade went fine, cl cmos like instructed and still no save (sadly).

MSI p67a-GD65
Intel 2600k
2*4gb corsair vengeance CM289X3M2A1600c8  stock settings.
Mugen 2 rev. B cooler

system fans 1 tm 3 occupied and cpu fan is occupied.

Volatages:(according to newest bios reading)

CPU: 1.152v
CPU i/o: 1.048v
DRAM: 1.472 V
SA: 0.928v

Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Svet on 15-January-11, 13:19:53
Hi memtest revealed one broken ram stick. Used just the one that is okay and flashed the bios to the newest evrsion using:

the 186_ME1164_MSIHQ_Tool.rar in combination with >>MSI HQ Forum USB flasher<< (runned USB flasher and pointed directly to the beta bios file and created the usb stick.

Bios upgrade went fine, cl cmos like instructed and still no save (sadly).

MSI p67a-GD65
Intel 2600k
2*4gb corsair vengeance CM289X3M2A1600c8  stock settings.
Mugen 2 rev. B cooler

system fans 1 tm 3 occupied and cpu fan is occupied.

Volatages:(according to newest bios reading)

CPU: 1.152v
CPU i/o: 1.048v
DRAM: 1.472 V
SA: 0.928v

Quote
Hi memtest revealed one broken ram stick. Used just the one that is okay and flashed the bios to the newest evrsion using:

the 186_ME1164_MSIHQ_Tool.rar in combination with >>MSI HQ Forum USB flasher<< (runned USB flasher and pointed directly to the beta bios file and created the usb stick.

Bios upgrade went fine, cl cmos like instructed and still no save (sadly).

Nope, by that way, you update to BIOS 1.86 only.
Without ME.
Use regular Mode 1 instead, [Point to .zip, .rar]
and give to the Tool when asked ==> 186_ME1164_MSIHQ_Tool.rar
then proceed as usual.
This will flash 1.86 + ME
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: klaasvaag on 15-January-11, 15:03:16
okay will do and report back.

another strange thing and maybe you can explain, when using v.1.4 of the bios i get errors on one of the memory stick after 5 min. When i flash to newer version this seems to be gone and no errors (have to test further) in memtest occur.
Is the 1.4 version not stable for some memory and is this causing the errors?

Problem now is what do i believe? is the bios not good or my memory? or both. Hard to test like this.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Svet on 15-January-11, 15:11:04
Quote
another strange thing and maybe you can explain, when using v.1.4 of the bios i get errors on one of the memory stick after 5 min. When i flash to newer version this seems to be gone and no errors (have to test further) in memtest occur.
Is the 1.4 version not stable for some memory and is this causing the errors?

Yes, probably. since 1.5 and above:
* - Improved memory compatibility.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: klaasvaag on 15-January-11, 15:13:58
can i reliable test my memory with this new bios and know for sure that if errors occur the memory is bad?

I need to know this to make sure that i have no memory issues.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Svet on 15-January-11, 15:16:19
yes, why not? :)
you may have some bad stick too..
so extra checks is always welcome
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: klaasvaag on 15-January-11, 15:20:39
appreciate the quick responses here. are there succes stories with this new firmware + ME ?
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: klaasvaag on 15-January-11, 15:28:00
okay pass 2 and i get errors in memtest 4.2 beta and bios E7681IMS.186 (without ME). Can i now be absolutely clear that one (or both) sticks are not okay? I have done the test with 2 sticks.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Svet on 15-January-11, 15:30:59
Best test it with Orthos: http://sp2004.fre3.com/beta/orthos_exe_20060420.cab
Select priority 9,
Select "Large, in-places FFT's",
Then click on "Start" and leave it to test for several hours
See if your machine can survive or if errors will be reported
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: brattak on 15-January-11, 15:40:21
i have the problem ....my sistem
p67a gd65
i7 2600k
2x2 gskill pis 2200
ssd intel 80 g2
msi gtx 570
lc power legion x2 1000 watt
windows 7 64

now i tested all bios ufficial or beta

i have this oc
memory 1866
cpu 4000
vcore 1.21
vram 1.55

is stable whit prime linx ecc. ecc.

now if i restart the pc ok dont have problem

if i turn off and after turn on the pc have fake boot .....press f1 go in bios and the cpu is 13.5 giga ram is 8890 ........i click my profile overclock save exit and go.......
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Svet on 15-January-11, 15:41:44
@brattak
do not hijack this topic with own different problems.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: klaasvaag on 15-January-11, 15:52:59
okay i tried the flash +ME and still freezes up  :nooo:
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Svet on 15-January-11, 16:03:03
Yeah, it doesn't works for others who tried it too.
So be patient and wait for another solution. [msi are looking into]
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: brattak on 15-January-11, 16:16:12
the problem is egual dont save the oc and reset to default its egual the problem and have very much people whit this problem ...
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: brattak on 15-January-11, 17:49:45
i solved
unplug the power
click the reset pulsant for 30 second
resttart enter in bios and click f6 after ok f10 ok restart
flash the bios 186 full
restart enter in bios and select your setting
save and exit
now work   :hypocrite:
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: BillyPT on 15-January-11, 19:57:07
Edited!!!
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: klaasvaag on 15-January-11, 20:28:23
Is this for real?

press reset button for 30 sec?
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Jack on 15-January-11, 20:31:19
It seems to have worked for him.  Try it and see.  Nothing to loose here, really.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: klaasvaag on 15-January-11, 20:41:20
question is from which bios version he did the 186 full flash.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Jack on 15-January-11, 20:46:11
Probably 1.4, otherwise he would not have been able to OC his system.  He started this topic.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Astennu on 15-January-11, 21:25:29
I also have this issue.

So far now bios worked well.
Only the 1.4 will do something of a oc. But only if i exit with the exit in the top right. If i use the settings menu with 1.4 it will still lock up.

I also have other strange stability issues. Memtest runs fine with no errors. But sometimes when my pc is folding at 50% load on the CPU it will just lockup or reboot. This all on default speeds 186 bios.

I think i need to RMA this board. The ram is able to do more then 1400 MHz on CL7 and these volts i'm running stock 1333 CL8. This ram worked perfectly for more then 2 year and memory test seems to agree.

Rest of the config:
Intel 2600K
2x2gb TakeMS 1333 MHz CL8 1.5v
P67 GD65
Sapphire HD6970
Coolermaster M1000 PSU.
OCZ Vertex 2 120GB.
G19 Keyboard + Revolution mouse
Dell 3008 with cardreader and USB hub connected.

Disconnecting all USB devices and using only a PS2 keyboard did not help. I dont know what to do anymore.
I'm mostly concerned with the random reboots and lockups at stock speeds.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: klaasvaag on 15-January-11, 22:38:25
tried going back tot 1.1 bios (all the otyher ones i cannot do F6 and then F10 because the systems locks up). Only 1.1 allows me to use F6 and then F10. Did this, reflashed to 186 full..... still freezes up.

i'm getting frustrated ......
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: brattak on 15-January-11, 23:20:30
sorry but for me now work only the bios 186
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: DrSteve on 15-January-11, 23:25:23
Sorry, but what does the ME part of this flash do?
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: klaasvaag on 15-January-11, 23:41:15
An Intel firmware upgrade of something....
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: DerBert on 16-January-11, 09:17:38
I just tried bios 1.8b6 including the ME update, but sadly no change at all. It freezes on save.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Froggy Gremlin on 16-January-11, 09:59:15
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I just tried bios 1.8b6 including the ME update, but sadly no change at all. It freezes on save.
DerBert, noticed in another post of yours you did not have a mouse connected. Do you have now? Is it one of the ones that is suspect as being non compatible (Razer Deathadder)? Some problems have been traced to CPU socket pins being bent, or uneven CPU cooler pressure being applied causing poor CPU pad to pin contact. 
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Jack on 16-January-11, 10:17:43
tried going back tot 1.1 bios (all the otyher ones i cannot do F6 and then F10 because the systems locks up). Only 1.1 allows me to use F6 and then F10. Did this, reflashed to 186 full..... still freezes up.

klaasvaag, just for clarification:  Most other users with this issue have a board that came with BIOS v1.4 and get the save/freeze problem whenever they flash to a newer version than that.  It seems that your board came with v1.1 and I take it from your reply that even if you would flash to v1.4 you'll still end up with the freeze problem.  Is that correct? Because if that is correct, than it seems that this problem is after all not related to any specific version but rather looks like this: "Flashing to any other BIOS Version than the factory version will cause a freeze/system lock-up when trying to save settings".


Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: DerBert on 16-January-11, 10:29:01
@HU16E: That was just once to rule out all the usual possibilities. Since it didn't make a difference I reconnected my Logitech M705, which is working fine in the bios.
Concerning the pins and uneven pressure I'm certain that I can rule out these factors. I've been building systems for over 15 years now and I've always inserted the CPU with the utmost caution - especially in this case since it's been a new architecture on a new socket for me. The cooler is a Noctua C12P SE14, which is fastened by screws on mounting bars - you would have to mount it intentionally wrong for the contact to be uneven. Apart from that the system passes 5 hours of prime's torture test on priority 10, does 2 passes of memtest+86 and is running win7 x64 since last tuesday without a single problem. So I'm pretty sure the contact and the pins are fine.
Appreciate the help though!
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: DerBert on 16-January-11, 10:41:27
@Jack: If I follow the steps brattak used to flash 1.8b6 +ME and clear the CMOS on 1.4 before doing any flashing (1.4 is running fine and able to save at this moment), start the system, enter the bios, hit F6, affirm loading the optimized defaults, then hit F10 and affirm that, the system freezes. And my board came with bios 1.4 installed - so the problem is not limited to everything but the bios the board shipped with. That would have been to easy.
After a reset I entered the bios, changed my settings and was able to save again. It seems that it was the same problem as on all the other bioses, but unlike on them a single reset got rid of the problem. I tried saving on other bioses a few times before going back to 1.4, so saving after the second boot is - sadly - also not the solution.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Jack on 16-January-11, 10:49:13
Quote
And my board came with bios 1.4 installed - so the problem is not limited to everything but the bios the board shipped with.

You board came with BIOS v1.4 installed, correct?  BIOS v1.4 allows you to save your settings, correct?  Flashing any other version than v1.4 will result in a freeze problem, correct?  So, in your particular case, how is "the problem is not limited to everything but the bios the board shipped with"?
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: brattak on 16-January-11, 11:24:58
my motherboard when i buy have the bios 1.4
i flash in order
bios 174 in dos (only the bios not ME) save ok but if reboot the sistem ok if turn off and turn on failed load primari bios
185 (only the bios not ME) save ok but if reboot the sistem ok if turn off and turn on failed load primari bios
170 (full bios and ME) save ok but if reboot the sistem ok if turn off and turn on failed load primari bios
when i go after turn on in the bios the frequency cpu is 13.5 giga and ram 8896 (voltage is ok)
186 (full bios and ME) work the motherboard work fine

sorry this is my help for the people  :shocked:
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: klaasvaag on 16-January-11, 11:47:34
Hi, don't get me wrong. 1.1 is the only one i can use F6 (load setup defaults) and then hit F10 (save en reboot).

If i use this in the 1.2 , 3 and 4 it freezes the computer.

I CAN save in 1.4 the nor mal way in the save and exit menu.

I have taken out my board and made a test setup. Replaced my Mugen 2 rev. B by the stock cooler, checked the processor all seems okay. It can be entered just one way. Though the lever is kind a heavy when locking (but i think this is normal). Now trying to flash in this setup from 1.4 to 1.86b + Me
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Jack on 16-January-11, 11:51:04
Quote
Hi, don't get me wrong. 1.1 is the only one i can use F6 (load setup defaults) and then hit F10 (save en reboot).

If i use this in the 1.2 , 3 and 4 it freezes the computer.

I CAN save in 1.4 the nor mal way in the save and exit menu.

Okay, that was not quite clear to me from your other postings. That is why I asked.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: DerBert on 16-January-11, 12:16:18
@Jack: Like I said, my Board shipped with 1.4 and I can save on this bios, which I cannot on everything after 1.4, but I can reproduce the save-bug on 1.4 if I clear the cmos (without flashing anything), restart, enter the bios, hit F6 and then F10. The difference to other versions is, that a single reset solves the problem. Thus, the freeze-bug is not limited to everything but the bios the board shipped with, although it is possible to solve it on 1.4.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: klaasvaag on 16-January-11, 13:54:09
If i get a new board should i then flash to 1.7 + ME dos boot or the 1.86b + ME with MSI HQ flash boot/ tool?
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: brattak on 16-January-11, 15:07:43
If i get a new board should i then flash to 1.7 + ME dos boot or the 1.86b + ME with MSI HQ flash boot/ tool?


i falshed the 1.86b + ME in dos boot when enter in dos only write 7681v186 and click

not with msi uq flash boot tool..................
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: klaasvaag on 17-January-11, 08:59:33
Hi Brattak,

tnx, it shouldn't make a difference. The HQ one is also dos based. Plus you CAN save in all the previous bios versions i read. This we cannot.
I have packed it in and created a RMA. Also for my memory. If i have the new stuff will assemble and report here the findings.

Thanks all for the help. Appreciate it  :biggthumbsup:
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: xray20 on 17-January-11, 16:30:43
I tried disconnect mouse from PC before start. Now I can modify OC settings and I can save bios now. With mouse I had problem with freeze bios in OC settings. Now I used bios 1.4.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: charismo on 17-January-11, 16:52:48
Hi all,

Sorry to report but my patience ran out, so I have RMAed the board and gotten an ASUS P8P67 Pro instead from my retailer. Cost a bit extra (10 euros) but probably worth it in my opinion.

Good luck to everyone with this issue and thanks for the help so far.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Mike on 17-January-11, 17:56:51
Good luck yourself as all the manufacturers are getting reports of teething issues with the P67 boards.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: charismo on 18-January-11, 08:58:53
Hi Mike, no need to be snarky.

Anyway for the benefit of everyone here, I did get this message from MSI last night, although I don't think it helps (I think it is the same 1.7 bios). PS, I did get an issue with my new asus (the cold boot issue when OCing), but it is fixed with a cmos clear AND I can save my bios settings now. So I have happily hit 4.5 ghz without any issues. Anyway here is the message from MSI:

Dear xyz,

Thanks for getting back to us and sorry for the late response!
Regarding your concern, we would suggest you visit following link to download and update to the latest BIOS 7681 V1.7 for a try:

BIOS http://www.msi.com/service/download/bios-15498.html

Note: Kindly please read the SOP on how to flash BIOS under DOS step by step;

Have a nice day & a good mood!

Thanks & Best Regards,
MSI Technical Support Team!
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: klaasvaag on 18-January-11, 10:15:40
Hi Charismo,

thanks for the help (even now you don't own a MSi board anymore  :biggthumbsup: ).

I have also RMA-ed my board but decided to stick with the same brand/type. I will let know when i have all set up again. In the meanwhile what does it mean that all P67 boards have problems?
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Froggy Gremlin on 18-January-11, 12:07:46
Quote
In the meanwhile what does it mean that all P67 boards have problems?
All the major brands of board manufacturers are having initial release issues.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Mike on 18-January-11, 19:41:11
If you flash, use the Forums flasher.  >>Use the MSI HQ Forum USB flasher<< (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=116721.0)

Make sure you remove any overclocking before flashing.  It's best to flash in a stock setting.


@charismo, I was being genuine.  I hope you do have good luck.  I also wanted to let users reading this that the issue has been affecting many manufacturers of the P67 boards.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Svet on 19-January-11, 03:08:00
This archive has been re updated by MSI to include the ME,
in a last few days or from today.
So M-Flash is not an option if we want to flash the ME too.
SOP.doc is included for those who gonna and want to flash it manually.

Else:

In those new conditions, since method added its not longer compatible with MSIHQ Tool
[Normally its not a problem to be proceed a new unknown or customized archives,
but this ME by that way added is altered too much and its exception like the 186+ME]


Instead:
Adjusted image compatible with MSIHQ Tool: [To flash 170+ME],
also can be pointed from "AIR Mode": [Point directly to BIOS Link/Url ]
(https://forum-en.msi.com/moderator/pics/svet/1y.jpg)


Then Copy and Paste the link to adjusted/fixed image: https://forum-en.msi.com/moderator/pics/svet/V170_ME1164_MSIHQ_Tool.rar (https://forum-en.msi.com/moderator/pics/svet/V170_ME1164_MSIHQ_Tool.rar)
[Note: This image is for >>MSI HQ Forum USB flasher<< (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=116721.0) only,
its NOT usable if you use it with SOP.doc MSI's instructions,
similar like MSI's official 1.7 image is NOT usable with MSIHQ Tool]
when Tool ask for source archive[to locate your BIOS archive],
here:
(https://forum-en.msi.com/moderator/pics/svet/2y.jpg)


E.g.: Give him the link/url to the fixed BIOS archive directly,
by copy and paste the link to the fixed BIOS archive

Then click Open and Tool will do the rest.

P.S:
Checked 186's ME vs 170's ME,
and its the same version.
[E.g. nothing is new:
1.7 was already flashed before
and the same ME was flashed already with 186+ME]

Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: klaasvaag on 19-January-11, 08:55:15
Hi Svet,

2 questions:

do we use 186 +ME or the one you provide (1.7 +ME)?
What is best way to flash, your tutorial or use the manual way (create a dos boot USB and typ in the *.bat).

Or doesn't matter?

thanks, will recieve my second board within a few days. Hope all will be fine with this one.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Svet on 19-January-11, 21:39:22
Hi Svet,

2 questions:

do we use 186 +ME or the one you provide (1.7 +ME)?
What is best way to flash, your tutorial or use the manual way (create a dos boot USB and typ in the *.bat).

Or doesn't matter?

thanks, will recieve my second board within a few days. Hope all will be fine with this one.

Hi klaasvaag,


Quote
do we use 186 +ME or the one you provide (1.7 +ME)?

Use the one that works fine/well for you.
[1.7 is the latest one official, 1.86 is newer than 1.7, but Beta, the ME version is the same on both]
1.70 + ME1164: https://forum-en.msi.com/moderator/pics/svet/V170_ME1164_MSIHQ_Tool.rar
1.86 + ME1164: https://forum-en.msi.com/moderator/pics/186_ME1164_MSIHQ_Tool.rar
[Those images are for >>MSI HQ Forum USB flasher<< (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=116721.0) only, they are not usable if you use them with SOP.doc instructions]

Quote
What is best way to flash, your tutorial or use the manual way (create a dos boot USB and typ in the *.bat).

With >>MSI HQ Forum USB flasher<< (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=116721.0) would be best.
As it does extra security checks, to ensure that target images are not corrupted or modified or damaged by anyway.
E.g. to ensure that's they are authentic before flash them
and also ensuring that they are correctly written over the USB key,
and that they can be read-ed fine from the USB key,
before flash them automatically.[If something is not correctly done, or Tool doesn't like something, he will make a notice abort the process]
Example if trouble is detected:
(https://forum-en.msi.com/moderator/pics/qx.jpg)



Quote
Or doesn't matter?

With >>MSI HQ Forum USB flasher<< (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=116721.0)
is ensuring that everything will be done properly and flashed correctly.
Any kind of user's errors are also dismissed[not possible], since everything is fully automated
(https://forum-en.msi.com/moderator/usbguide/19b.gif)

Else both ways should works. [E.g. SOP.doc MSI's instruction or with MSIHQ Tool]

And yeah, with the MSIHQ Tool is also very easy,
cause all that you need to do is to copy and paste the either link:  [in a Tool]
1.70 + ME1164: https://forum-en.msi.com/moderator/pics/svet/V170_ME1164_MSIHQ_Tool.rar
1.86 + ME1164: https://forum-en.msi.com/moderator/pics/186_ME1164_MSIHQ_Tool.rar

Tool will make the USB key bootable and everything else automatically,
and will flash desired things
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: pepe123 on 19-January-11, 21:59:57
Are there any solutions for this issue? It's more than a week and the problem still persists.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Froggy Gremlin on 20-January-11, 02:29:33
Thank you Svet for your time & assistance, it is highly appreciated! :hat tip:

pepe123, please be patient, the issues are being addressed & resolutions are being worked on. :-))
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: brattak on 20-January-11, 07:53:42
its possible have (or upload) the original 1.4 bios +original intel ME ? (the original intel ME thats the motherboard have when you buy whit 1.4 bios...

thanks
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Hell on 20-January-11, 11:26:16
Hi,
They know the problem comes from the Intel ME Firmware and not comes from the MSI firmware.

I've make differents test on my board for them and I hope they fix it right now
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: pepe123 on 20-January-11, 13:13:13
Can someone update only the bios without the ME and see if the error still occurs?

And if it's the intel firmware that's causing the problem, then why only few people have reported this sofar. It should happen with all the boards, shouldn't it?!
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: narciso on 20-January-11, 16:42:39
I updated my mb to 1.7 bios and me1164 using a dos usb pendrive, which updated the mb bios fine and I don't have any saving problems.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: uchulele on 20-January-11, 20:48:45
Hello everyone, i just wanted to share my experience. My stock bios is 1.4 so i went on MSI website to look for newer version and i found ver. 1.6. I flashed the new bios via mFlash tool in UEFI bios. It worked great even saving bios worked until i had to reset CMOS. No matter what i did i couldnt save new settings with 1.6 bios anymore. Went back to original 1.4 which is the only bios that allows me save settings. I even tried to flash ver 1.7 via MSIHQ tool but with same problem.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Froggy Gremlin on 20-January-11, 21:45:00
BIOS 1.6, or 1.5 for that matter, are not recommended to use. Links to the V1.7 + ME & V1.8b6 + ME can be found in this thread (Svet's Reply #164). :-))
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Svet on 20-January-11, 21:52:28
Hello everyone, i just wanted to share my experience. My stock bios is 1.4 so i went on MSI website to look for newer version and i found ver. 1.6. I flashed the new bios via mFlash tool in UEFI bios. It worked great even saving bios worked until i had to reset CMOS. No matter what i did i couldnt save new settings with 1.6 bios anymore. Went back to original 1.4 which is the only bios that allows me save settings. I even tried to flash ver 1.7 via MSIHQ tool but with same problem.

You used this 1.7 image: https://forum-en.msi.com/moderator/pics/svet/V170_ME1164_MSIHQ_Tool.rar
with MSIHQ tool right? [Mode 1, Point to ,zip, .rar]]
[and not 1.7 from msi web]
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: splave on 20-January-11, 22:04:17
Having the same issues here....

1.4 stock bios shows 32ghz @ stock settings :bonk:
Also the bios saves my changes but doesnt apply them

flashed to 1.7 in dos which updates the INTEL ME firmware to 1164
and now when trying to exit bios It just freezes, locks up.

I have to friends that both updated to 1.7 via m-flash which doesnt update the Intel ME firmware and they have no issues....

Is there a way to flash the ME back to the original and update the bios to 1.7? 1.8b5 and 1.8b6 freeze during bios exit as well.
un plugging mouse does not help...usb/ps2 mouse doesnt help...3 different ram kits no change...Im at a loss,  :undecided:
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: uchulele on 20-January-11, 22:15:32

You used this 1.7 image: https://forum-en.msi.com/moderator/pics/svet/V170_ME1164_MSIHQ_Tool.rar
with MSIHQ tool right? [Mode 1, Point to ,zip, .rar]]
[and not 1.7 from msi web]
I did, i couldnt find 1.7 on MSI web.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Svet on 20-January-11, 22:17:52
I did, i couldnt find 1.7 on MSI web.

oks, so its done correctly then
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: uchulele on 20-January-11, 22:35:10
I guess there is different ME firmware in 1.4 bios than 1164. The weird thing is that 1.6 worked great until CMOS reset. I didnt disconnect AC cord after flashing 1.7 does that matter somehow?
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Svet on 20-January-11, 22:40:44
I guess there is different ME firmware in 1.4 bios than 1164. The weird thing is that 1.6 worked great until CMOS reset. I didn't disconnect AC cord after flashing 1.7 does that matter somehow?

1.4 don't have and don't update ME firmware.
[The ME is not part of the BIOS image as well, its updating separately via Intel's update utility]
The ME firmware update basically is need for rare cases.
Normally no need to be updated.

That's too different things,[BIOS image and ME image which can be updated separately.]
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: uchulele on 20-January-11, 22:52:04
If i understand correctly, i updated FM while flashing 1.7 via MSI HQ tool. So after going back to 1.4 the 1164 FM remains installed and aparently new FM didnt cause saving issue with 1.4 bios -> problem with bios version. Ill w8 for 1.8 final then.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Svet on 20-January-11, 22:56:41
If i understand correctly, i updated FM while flashing 1.7 via MSI HQ tool. So after going back to 1.4 the 1164 FM remains installed and aparently new FM didnt cause saving issue with 1.4 bios -> problem with bios version. Ill w8 for 1.8 final then.

Quote
If i understand correctly, i updated FM while flashing 1.7 via MSI HQ tool.

yes, that's correct. [if you used Mode 1, point to .zip, .rar],
If mode 2 is used, "Point to Beta BIOS directly" and point him directly to E7681IMS.170,
it will flash the BIOS only without the ME]


Quote
So after going back to 1.4 the 1164 FM remains installed

yes, that's correct as well
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: uchulele on 20-January-11, 23:01:32
Used mode 1. Thx for info.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Svet on 20-January-11, 23:09:38
Used mode 1. Thx for info.

This person, flashed to the same 1.70+ME [ https://forum-en.msi.com/moderator/pics/svet/V170_ME1164_MSIHQ_Tool.rar ],
with MSIHQ Tool, Mode 1.
E.g the same like you done and he doesn't have saving issues:
http://forum-de.msi.com/index.php?page=Thread&postID=770026#post770026
http://forum-de.msi.com/index.php?page=Thread&postID=770129#post770129

But he doesn't have those saving issues before either :)
Whatever he flash or test by any methods,
he don't have any issues.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: liquoredonlife on 20-January-11, 23:15:14
I updated my bios to 1.7 using a USB drive and the M-flash utility within the bios (not booting off USB). I haven't experienced any of the issues people are describing which makes me wonder if something is actually happening but I'm not noticing it. I've OC'd my 2600K to 4.6ghz at 1.325v and it's stayed like that just fine, even from a cold power off.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: brattak on 20-January-11, 23:23:48
its possible downgrade the intel ME firmware to original version ?
thanks
if possible upload the original version
thanks
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: uchulele on 20-January-11, 23:26:10
This person, flashed to the same 1.70+ME [ https://forum-en.msi.com/moderator/pics/svet/V170_ME1164_MSIHQ_Tool.rar ],
with MSIHQ Tool, Mode 1.
E.g the same like you done and he doesn't have saving issues:
http://forum-de.msi.com/index.php?page=Thread&postID=770026#post770026
http://forum-de.msi.com/index.php?page=Thread&postID=770129#post770129

But he doesn't have those saving issues before either :)
Whatever he flash or test by any methods,
he don't have any issues.


Interesting, <3 google translator. Anyhow, im wondering wheter he used clear CMOS with new BIOS. I also checked mobo revision number and it says: 2.0 maybe thats the problem?
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: pepe123 on 20-January-11, 23:31:40
I don't understand it. If the problem is in the intel ME then why the v1.6 didn't work? It came before 1.7 and didn't have any firmware. So?
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: uchulele on 20-January-11, 23:32:48
I updated my bios to 1.7 using a USB drive and the M-flash utility within the bios (not booting off USB). I haven't experienced any of the issues people are describing which makes me wonder if something is actually happening but I'm not noticing it. I've OC'd my 2600K to 4.6ghz at 1.325v and it's stayed like that just fine, even from a cold power off.
Lucky you! Can u try clear CMOS and then check if its capable of saving settings in bios for me pls?
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Svet on 21-January-11, 00:33:13
I updated my bios to 1.7 using a USB drive and the M-flash utility within the bios (not booting off USB). I haven't experienced any of the issues people are describing which makes me wonder if something is actually happening but I'm not noticing it. I've OC'd my 2600K to 4.6ghz at 1.325v and it's stayed like that just fine, even from a cold power off.

This mean that you didn't flashed the ME
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: liquoredonlife on 21-January-11, 02:20:26
This mean that you didn't flashed the ME

That is correct. I was under the impression that it was not needed to be flashed except under rare conditions. Is there a changelog available for the updated ME firmware?
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Svet on 21-January-11, 02:23:38
That is correct. I was under the impression that it was not needed to be flashed except under rare conditions. Is there a changelog available for the updated ME firmware?

Quote
I was under the impression that it was not needed to be flashed except under rare conditions.

That's correct, but since MSI decided to put it into archive there is a reason for it,
and it should be also updated, e.g. we have rare case :)

Quote
s there a changelog available for the updated ME firmware?

nope, msi probably don't have such too, eventually Intel only should know what it does
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: brattak on 21-January-11, 08:26:28
its possible downgrade the intel ME firmware to original version ?
thanks
if possible upload the original version
thanks

@svet its possible reply please
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: klataa on 21-January-11, 09:12:35
Are there any plans to create bios wich fix Vdrop?I set in bios 1.25vcore but MSI control center in windows shows 1.21... Also in bios  i have only "auto" and low vdrop control options , dont have High control option available.

I just made and 1.86b update with ME but still there is a vdrop problem.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Jack on 21-January-11, 09:19:59
klataa, this is a user-to-user forum.  We have no idea what MSI's plans regarding BIOS Development are.  Contact MSI Technical Support about such question.  Also, please stop posting the same question all over the place (this is the third thread you have posted it in and it certainly does not belong into this topic). 

Also, what you are describing has nothing to do with Vdroop.  Vdroop is a drop in CPU Core Voltage when the CPU is under full load (which is a safety measure!), not a difference in voltage readings between BIOS Settings and Windows applications.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: boobeer on 21-January-11, 10:34:27
hi all,

I too experience the bios freeze on save. So I follow this thread really closely.

the rest of the rig is :

2*4Go Gskill ripjawsX 1600MHz C9
i5 2500k + NHU-12P
Asus HD5870 1Go
C300 128Go -> port 1
Samsung F1 750Go -> port 3
WD 500 caviar blue -> port 4
Pioneer 212 black -> port 5
Hannspree 25" HF257
Hyundai 17" LD 72
Coolermaster Centurion 590 + Corsair TX850
keyboard logitech illuminated
Mouse logitech G500

I tried many bios update above 1.4 and none of them allow me to save my settings.

The ME update doesn't work for me. I always have an error code :

Error 8193: Intel (R) ME Interface : Cannot locate ME device driver

yesterday, i unplugged the computer and removed the "BIOS" battery.

Today i tried again the update ( using a DOS boot USB key ) to 1.7+ME... with no better luck.

I'm just waiting to see what's MSI next move to try and fix this  :)
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Svet on 21-January-11, 20:32:49
its possible downgrade the intel ME firmware to original version ?
thanks
if possible upload the original version
thanks

@svet its possible reply please

Quote
its possible downgrade the intel ME firmware to original version ?

We don't know, maybe yes maybe not.
But there is no idea to do that,
the latest one provided by Intel should works just fine.

hi all,

I too experience the bios freeze on save. So I follow this thread really closely.

the rest of the rig is :

2*4Go Gskill ripjawsX 1600MHz C9
i5 2500k + NHU-12P
Asus HD5870 1Go
C300 128Go -> port 1
Samsung F1 750Go -> port 3
WD 500 caviar blue -> port 4
Pioneer 212 black -> port 5
Hannspree 25" HF257
Hyundai 17" LD 72
Coolermaster Centurion 590 + Corsair TX850
keyboard logitech illuminated
Mouse logitech G500

I tried many bios update above 1.4 and none of them allow me to save my settings.

The ME update doesn't work for me. I always have an error code :

Error 8193: Intel (R) ME Interface : Cannot locate ME device driver

yesterday, i unplugged the computer and removed the "BIOS" battery.

Today i tried again the update ( using a DOS boot USB key ) to 1.7+ME... with no better luck.

I'm just waiting to see what's MSI next move to try and fix this  :)


Try with MSIHQ Tool instead,
by following those instructions:
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=144484.msg1078650#msg1078650
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Froggy Gremlin on 21-January-11, 20:51:33
I've tried my best to duplicate these issues, & it just isn't happening. Board came with BIOS V1.5 installed. This may or may not be a factor, but my PCB is V2.0. Only glitch was mouse didn't work after W7 was installed, but after a reset, all was fine ever since. BIOS V1.7 worked well, & so does 1.8b6. I also downloaded & installed the newest ME driver direct from Intel, it is version 7.0.3.1184. Initial startup = 1 RAM stick, 1 VGA, 1 HDD, 1 CD/DVD drive, loaded W7, installed all updates, drivers & utilities, tested for 100% stability, & then added other RAM & components with 100% 'no problem' success.

Added: The forum USB flasher & Svet's guidance in this thread, is priceless. It flat out works great! 
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Svet on 21-January-11, 22:23:25
@HU16E
Thanks for kind of words :hat tip: :)
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Glouglou14 on 22-January-11, 00:24:55
Hi

I'm in the same situation as boobeer:

2*2Go Gskill ripjaws 1600MHz C9
i5 2500k + NHU-12P
Gigabyte GTX460 1Go


Just like him, I tried many bios update above 1.4 and none of them allow me to save my settings: they all freeze when trying to save&exit.

Also: "The ME update doesn't work for me. I always have an error code :

Error 8193: Intel (R) ME Interface : Cannot locate ME device driver"

I also get that error with the MSI tool (although the message only stays on screen for half a second before i get the picture with the mouse telling me everything went fine...

Again the same situation: "Today i tried again the update ( using a DOS boot USB key ) to 1.7+ME... with no better luck."


I m waiting for MSI to react, rapidely would be nice!
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Svet on 22-January-11, 00:53:53
Sent board back for exchange then
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: killermmn on 22-January-11, 08:39:05
i got a question what is the me bios upgrade for??
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Svet on 22-January-11, 08:43:51
Intel Management Engine
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: boobeer on 22-January-11, 13:34:18
Sent board back for exchange then

So nicely said  :rolleyes:

In fact early adopters are beta-testers .. we all know that.. and of course there is nothing you can do about that.

I didn't get lucky this time, and a few others didn't either. I just sincerely hope for MSI that this is a minor issue that will only affect few motherboards = customers.

But for me it's just a disappointing experience.

thanks for trying to help anyway.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: AntDX316 on 22-January-11, 17:25:33
Can anyone simply what does the Intel Management engine do?
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: klaasvaag on 22-January-11, 18:50:01
So nicely said  :rolleyes:

In fact early adopters are beta-testers .. we all know that.. and of course there is nothing you can do about that.

I didn't get lucky this time, and a few others didn't either. I just sincerely hope for MSI that this is a minor issue that will only affect few motherboards = customers.

But for me it's just a disappointing experience.

thanks for trying to help anyway.

Nicely said also from your part and totally agree..... just bad luck that's why i insist to get the same board again when the RMA has been finished (hopefull receive the new board coming week).

I must say rezzpect for Svet and HU16E for being able to guide us through these hard times and supply us with all help they can.....  :biggthumbsup:

[edit]:

(http://www.swamcrew.nl/ME.jpg)
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: pepe123 on 22-January-11, 19:42:23

(http://www.swamcrew.nl/ME.jpg)


Can someone please explain to me why I need :censored: corporate staff* in my HOME computer? Does intel try to spy on me through the internet or what?

I've always thought that the corporations wanted to have mobos that "just" work. That's why intel has been offering them overpriced products. But I cannot really understand what this is suppose to do in an enthusiast class product?!

I'm really considering to go for AMD with my next rig. They're offering a lot more bang for the money and aren't that bad in the every day computing.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: klaasvaag on 22-January-11, 19:58:46
Can someone please explain to me why I need :censored: corporate staff* in my HOME computer?

Lollll  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Svet on 22-January-11, 20:23:36
Hi

I'm in the same situation as boobeer:

2*2Go Gskill ripjaws 1600MHz C9
i5 2500k + NHU-12P
Gigabyte GTX460 1Go


Just like him, I tried many bios update above 1.4 and none of them allow me to save my settings: they all freeze when trying to save&exit.

Also: "The ME update doesn't work for me. I always have an error code :

Error 8193: Intel (R) ME Interface : Cannot locate ME device driver"

I also get that error with the MSI tool (although the message only stays on screen for half a second before i get the picture with the mouse telling me everything went fine...

Again the same situation: "Today i tried again the update ( using a DOS boot USB key ) to 1.7+ME... with no better luck."


I m waiting for MSI to react, rapidely would be nice!



Quote
I also get that error with the MSI tool (although the message only stays on screen for half a second before i get the picture with the mouse telling me everything went fine...

Again the same situation: "Today i tried again the update ( using a DOS boot USB key ) to 1.7+ME... with no better luck."


You can thanks to MSI about this one marked with red...
But i also forgot to remove those :bonk: MSI's things[marked with red below] from custom images
So if ME error occur it will be almost impossible to be seen like you said.

Quote
{ bla bla bla
.......
.......
.......

}

:END
CLS
ECHO.
ECHO.
ECHO.
ECHO BIOS & ME update completed.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Bruticis on 22-January-11, 22:02:58
I've been following this thread, waiting for my P67A-GD65 to arrive.  Got the board last night, bios is 1.5 (sticker on the board says 1.4 unless I'm reading it wrong).  I decided not to update the bios to start off.  I made several changes, saved, and began my OS install (Win 7, x64).  Every time the starting windows logo appeared, the whole system would lock up.  I tried adjusting a few simple bios settings, each time I had no issue saving and exiting.  Finally when nothing was working, I cleared the CMOS, powered back on and went into the bios (screen confirmed bios was cleared).  I tried to load the optimized defaults and the dreaded lock up on save bug appeared.  A quick reset and I ignored the bios this time, windows loaded fine, fully patched, no issues at all.  So here I am now, OS is working well, PC is stable but I can't make any adjustments to the bios without it locking up when I hit save and exit.  Is there any chance that it's not the flashing of the bios causing this problem but the clearing of the CMOS?  This might explain why it's only affecting a few people.  I think when most people do a bios update they don't clear the CMOS (I know I never did as I didn't know any better).
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: uchulele on 22-January-11, 22:10:26
I've been following this thread, waiting for my P67A-GD65 to arrive.  Got the board last night, bios is 1.5 (sticker on the board says 1.4 unless I'm reading it wrong).  I decided not to update the bios to start off.  I made several changes, saved, and began my OS install (Win 7, x64).  Every time the starting windows logo appeared, the whole system would lock up.  I tried adjusting a few simple bios settings, each time I had no issue saving and exiting.  Finally when nothing was working, I cleared the CMOS, powered back on and went into the bios (screen confirmed bios was cleared).  I tried to load the optimized defaults and the dreaded lock up on save bug appeared.  A quick reset and I ignored the bios this time, windows loaded fine, fully patched, no issues at all.  So here I am now, OS is working well, PC is stable but I can't make any adjustments to the bios without it locking up when I hit save and exit.  Is there any chance that it's not the flashing of the bios causing this problem but the clearing of the CMOS?  This might explain why it's only affecting a few people.  I think when most people do a bios update they don't clear the CMOS (I know I never did as I didn't know any better).

Ye, thats interesting... I had exactly the same problem everthing worked fine until i hit the clear CMOS then only the 1.4 bios was able to save settings, did u tried downgrade to 1.4?
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Bruticis on 22-January-11, 22:18:36
I'm not sure I can downgrade with my video card.  I have a 6870 and I noticed the update notes for 1.5 show added support for 6850/6870 cards.  So I don't know if that means I'll have other issues with 1.4 and my video card.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: uchulele on 22-January-11, 22:30:57
I'm not sure I can downgrade with my video card.  I have a 6870 and I noticed the update notes for 1.5 show added support for 6850/6870 cards.
Ouch, if 6870 is your only available GPU then u shouldnt downgrade. -> it would be difficult to upgrade bios without graphical output  :undecided:
In my case i installed OS with AHCI mode on SATA controler. I cant use newer bioses cos default mode is IDE -> OS woudnt boot up.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: kuziu on 22-January-11, 23:09:38
Please help in installing, ME package of applications MSIHQ Tools Bootable USB, please also specify where you can download the program to set the USB Flash Drive
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Svet on 22-January-11, 23:14:05
Please help in installing, ME package of applications MSIHQ Tools Bootable USB, please also specify where you can download the program to set the USB Flash Drive

See here for guide: >> MSI HQ Forum USB flasher Guide<< (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=116721.0)
Download location: https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=108079.0
1.70 + ME1164 for MSIHQ Tool: https://forum-en.msi.com/moderator/pics/svet/V170_ME1164_MSIHQ_Tool.rar
How to: https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=144484.msg1078650#msg1078650
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Bruticis on 22-January-11, 23:32:55
I've tried to use the tool to flash my bios but it I can't get my system to boot from my USB thumb drive.  I installed the USB flasher tool (1.19e), ran the tool using your excellent instructions and pointed it to the URL.  It took a moment while it downloaded, several screens flashed by, all saying success.  Finally it said it was done and ready.  I rebooted, hit F11, got the boot menu, first I picked "sandisk" (which is my USB flash drive that was used for the tool) and it went right past it and into windows.  I tried again, this time hit F11 and picked UEFI sandisk but same thing, didn't boot to it and went right into Windows.  There's 27 items on my USB drive (after showing hidden files and OS protected files).  It appears everything is there, I see things like command.com and config.sys, etc.  Any ideas why this isnt working?
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Glouglou14 on 22-January-11, 23:33:30
Is there any chance that it's not the flashing of the bios causing this problem but the clearing of the CMOS? 

I did not try clearing yet... i've got the freezing issue though  :bonk:
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Svet on 22-January-11, 23:35:07
I've tried to use the tool to flash my bios but it I can't get my system to boot from my USB thumb drive.  I installed the USB flasher tool (1.19e), ran the tool using your excellent instructions and pointed it to the URL.  It took a moment while it downloaded, several screens flashed by, all saying success.  Finally it said it was done and ready.  I rebooted, hit F11, got the boot menu, first I picked "sandisk" (which is my USB flash drive that was used for the tool) and it went right past it and into windows.  I tried again, this time hit F11 and picked UEFI sandisk but same thing, didn't boot to it and went right into Windows.  There's 27 items on my USB drive (after showing hidden files and OS protected files).  It appears everything is there, I see things like command.com and config.sys, etc.  Any ideas why this isnt working?

Your USB key need adjustment,
Use "Fix My USB" Tool's option 1st to correct USB key geometry,
then repeat the same steps and try again.

Also for those USB keys who support "U3 Smart", this "feature" must be removed before proceed.
Refer to followed link: http://u3.sandisk.com/launchpadremoval.htm
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Bruticis on 22-January-11, 23:58:25
My apologies for missing that in the instructions, it worked fine after the fix.  I flashed my bios to 1.7 but the save freeze is still present.  Everything was fine until I hit that darn clear CMOS button (not that I had a choice as I couldn't get the system to boot).
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Svet on 23-January-11, 00:18:03
Quote
My apologies for missing that in the instructions, it worked fine after the fix.  I flashed my bios to 1.7

Well done.

Quote
Everything was fine until I hit that darn clear CMOS button (not that I had a choice as I couldn't get the system to boot).

What if you use the jumper instead?
And have you removed the power cord from the PSU 1st,
before press the button? [else you're done nothing]

Jumpers
Clear CMOS Jumper: JBAT1
There is a CMOS RAM on board with an external battery power supply to preserve the
system configuration data. With the CMOS RAM, the system can automatically boot OS
every time it is turned on. If you want to clear the system configuration, set the jumper
to clear data.
Important
You can clear CMOS by shorting 2-3 pin while the system  is off. Then return to 1-
2 pin position. Avoid clearing the CMOS while the system  is on;  it will damage the
mainboard.
JBAT1 Keep Data Clear Data
1 1 1
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Bruticis on 23-January-11, 00:26:14
Yes, I powered off the PC and physically pulled the power cord from the PSU.  I used the clear CMOS jumper first as I forgot about the button on the back panel (which I've used since).  When I powered the system back on the, I got the message saying my CMOS was cleared and I should go into the bios.  From that point on, I could no longer save and exit from the bios without a lockup.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Svet on 23-January-11, 00:33:56
i see, well flash back to bios that works fine for you,
until wait for further solution
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: uchulele on 23-January-11, 00:38:30
I did not try clearing yet... i've got the freezing issue though  :bonk:
Well, maybe someone before u, used clear CMOS :P
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Bruticis on 23-January-11, 00:39:19
Sadly, I don't think I can.  Assuming 1.40 allows me to save (is this 100% confirmed, including people like me that had the board shipped with 1.50?), according to the bios notes on the MSI website, 1.50 added support for 6870 video cards.  I have a 6870 video card so I have no idea what will happen if I flash to version before they added that support?
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Svet on 23-January-11, 00:41:56
Sadly, I don't think I can.  Assuming 1.40 allows me to save (is this 100% confirmed, including people like me that had the board shipped with 1.50?), according to the bios notes on the MSI website, 1.50 added support for 6870 video cards.  I have a 6870 video card so I have no idea what will happen if I flash to version before they added that support?

Well, kept in that way then,
or borrow other VGA that can work OK with 140
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Froggy Gremlin on 23-January-11, 04:19:41
Sadly, I don't think I can.
This board has dual BIOS chips. See what is on the backup chip, it may be 1.5, or might even be 1.4.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Bruticis on 23-January-11, 04:26:19
How would I do that?  Can you walk me though it and I'll check it out.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: tancients on 23-January-11, 04:57:32
Is the ME update included in the 1.7 bios?  Is it only designed to fix the inability for the bios to save settings?
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Froggy Gremlin on 23-January-11, 05:27:30
Quote
Is the ME update included in the 1.7 bios?  Is it only designed to fix the inability for the bios to save settings?
When I explored the BIOS files from the MSI Global Site V1.7, the ME was included with it.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Bruticis on 23-January-11, 05:34:15
Is the ME update included in the 1.7 bios?  Is it only designed to fix the inability for the bios to save settings?
I had the issue turn up before I did any updates to the ME.  So if that's your concern on not updating, I wouldn't worry about it.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Froggy Gremlin on 23-January-11, 05:35:33
How would I do that?  Can you walk me though it and I'll check it out.
My manual is the Europe version & the information is not included. I don't even have a pdf reader installed yet so I can't read my prior to the build downloaded 'English only' version of the manual which is very much more comprehensive than the Europe manual. It's on my USB thumbdrive, but no way to read it right now. The English version can be downloaded from the MSI Global Site. It is possible the only function of the backup BIOS is to be able to recover from a BIOS corruption.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Mike on 23-January-11, 06:04:33
I would download it from the EU site.  http://global.msi.eu/index.php

http://global.msi.eu/index.php?func=downloaddetail&type=manual&maincat_no=1&prod_no=2225
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: tancients on 23-January-11, 07:49:43
When I explored the BIOS files from the MSI Global Site V1.7, the ME was included with it.

I'll take that to mean I shouldn't have to worry/think about trying to update the ME seperately then.  Thanks!
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Froggy Gremlin on 23-January-11, 08:10:00
Quote
I'll take that to mean I shouldn't have to worry/think about trying to update the ME seperately then.  Thanks!
Just for good measure, I went directly to the Intel Website & downloaded & installed the 7.0.3.1184 version which is newer than in the V1.7 or V18b6.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: AntDX316 on 23-January-11, 11:14:54
Just for good measure, I went directly to the Intel Website & downloaded & installed the 7.0.3.1184 version which is newer than in the V1.7 or V18b6.

I think the Intel ME update with the BIOS is a firmware flash not just software.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Froggy Gremlin on 23-January-11, 12:08:03
Quote
I think the Intel ME update with the BIOS is a firmware flash not just software.

It's the newest interface between the firmware & the host. I should have been more precise.

(http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k432/HU16E/ME.jpg)
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Glouglou14 on 23-January-11, 12:10:59
@HU16E: i cannot find 7.0.3.1184 on intel website (in fact i cannot find any H67/P67 Management Engine Interface  :think: :confused2: i m not sure if they deleted it or if its just me...).
edit: ok found it
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: PaulWendt on 23-January-11, 20:16:10
I have the same issue with any BIOS past 1.4 [including the 1.8 Beta].  As soon as I go to save the BIOS settings, I get the system freeze.  Again when I, go back to 1.4, the problem goes away ... but I'm unable to use Control Center with that version of the BIOS [or so I believe].

Has there been any update on this?
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Bruticis on 23-January-11, 20:33:35
Not yet but please do as the mods and others have suggested and submit a ticket with MSI.  The more case studies they have, the easier it will be to track down the problem.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: PaulWendt on 24-January-11, 03:46:12
Thank you for the feedback.  I did, indeed, submit an issue with MSI.  I got a bit irritated after that and tried to narrow down external components that could be at fault.  I have 2 sticks of RAM [4 GB * 2] so I tried switching them and doing them one-at-a-time.  I disabled all SATA devices.  I disabled the USB keyboard and mouse [used a PS/2 keyboard instead]. 

So, all that's left is the video card [ATI 6970].  I doubt it's something so ubiquitous, but who knows?
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: PaulWendt on 24-January-11, 04:53:21
I don't know; this might be a bad board or something.  I did finally install the 7.0.3.1184 of IME after upgrading to the latest 1.08 bios again.  It'll run, but I obviously cannot change the CPU multiplier [the option is still not set in the BIOS].  I went back to the BIOS to switch that, and am unable to set it as it locks up when I click on 'save'.  I tried disabling Spread Spectrum, but as soon as I even select that option, the BIOS locks up [before even clicking 'save'].

Does this sound like a software problem on their part?  I know tons of people are saving properties without fail, so maybe a small % have some sort of issue along these lines?  Are there any other properties people could recommend I try enabling/disabling before I do the dreaded RMA?

If I do an RMA, should I go through MSI or the place I originally purchased the board from?  Needless to say, I'm not entirely thrilled at the prospect of sending the part out and waiting for it to come back [the round-trip would probably be a long period of time].

Thank you for your time.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: PaulWendt on 24-January-11, 07:39:16
I am so puzzled.  After going to 1.86, I was able to get IME installed.  Control Center 2 would start, but I was unable to actually change anything.  The UI would appear to change things, but they would not actually 'take'. 

I decided to revert to 1.4 again.  Since I had installed IME, I didn't have issues this time.  I have been able to change computer settings and I've actually gotten the voltage to 1.25 and multiplier to 40 [I'd tried 43, but it was too much].

I'm puzzled by all of this because the hardware is clearly capable of persisting changes.  I don't know what the issue is, but every BIOS I've tried past 1.4 results in lockups any time I try to persist the settings.  As long as I stick with 1.4, the settings will 'stick'.  I find it very odd that this should be the case, however.  Additionally, there are many reports that all BIOSes past 1.4 are more stable for overclocking; I would like to be able to upgrade at some point.

I will update back here if I hear from their support.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Froggy Gremlin on 24-January-11, 07:58:16
Quote
I decided to revert to 1.4 again.  Since I had installed IME, I didn't have issues this time.
This almost is sounding like the updated ME firmware is part of the key to a resolve, along with the interface of firmware to host update 1184 from Intel. :think:

Edit: Possibly reflashing to 1.8b6 now will work correctly? Mine is working fine with 1.8b6.

2nd Edit: My board came with BIOS V1.5. That may explain things why reverting to 1.4 still worked perfectly. My ME firmware was probably updated with that V1.5 BIOS & nothing was going to change that other than another firmware update. Going to 1.8b6, the firmware was well in place, & the Intel ME 1184 update was not really any factor. Only throwing out food for thought here.

3rd Edit: I did use V1.7 before going to 1.8b6 without issue also.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: klaasvaag on 24-January-11, 10:01:26
So, all that's left is the video card [ATI 6970].  I doubt it's something so ubiquitous, but who knows?

I also have a 6970 and did all the narrowing down as you did, disabling all. Had the board (with no casing)on an ESD table, with wrist protection. Only thing connected was the power, PS2 keyboard and video and only 1 RAM stick in slot 1.
Didn't help. After that Swapped the 6970 for a 8600 GTS Silent from Asus and redid the processes..., same results, freezed when saving.

I find it very frustrating that i didn't receive an email from MSI support  :biggthumbsdown: . Not even a communication that it's being resolved/ looked at. Only one i got was the thank you for registring the issue.


[edit]
Is it possible for you to create a file for the MSI HQ flash tool that incorporates the latest ME update from Intel and the 1.8b6 bios?
I would be grateful for that......
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Froggy Gremlin on 24-January-11, 10:17:07
Is it possible for you to create a file for the MSI HQ flash tool that incorporates the latest ME update from Intel and the 1.8b6 bios?
Svet would be the one to answer that question.

Added: Actually, the update from Intel is not a firmware update, it is an Interface Host to Firmware update (7.0.3.1184). You can get that one direct from Intel & install it yourself, no flashing involved.

2nd Add: It would be greatly appreciated if everyone in this thread would take some time & create a signature of complete system components in their profiles. It helps the admins & mods & other users to maybe spot a problematic common denominator or clue as to possible contributing factors. :-))
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Bruticis on 24-January-11, 15:32:11
2nd Add: It would be greatly appreciated if everyone in this thread would take some time & create a signature of complete system components in their profiles. It helps the admins & mods & other users to maybe spot a problematic common denominator or clue as to possible contributing factors. :-))

Good idea, I've added mine.  I still think it's really odd that I had FULL save functionality with 1.50 (which came stock on my board).  I made numerous changes and was able to save repeatedly without any lock ups.  It was only AFTER I cleared my CMOS (I never updated the bios during this time) that I could no longer do any saves in the UEFI.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: klaasvaag on 24-January-11, 17:12:24
Yeah that is strange indeed........ initially it works.....
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: liquoredonlife on 24-January-11, 18:42:22
Something I've begun to notice, particular with PaulWendt's post with regards to freezing when saving- but are people navigating the UEFI entirely with the mouse? I think I had an issue with clicking on Save with a mouse, but pressing the enter key worked fine and "Sav and Reset" just worked. FWIW I'm still on 1.7.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: DerBert on 24-January-11, 19:10:29
I am one of those blessed with the freeze bug and have never used the mouse to navigate the UEFI. It freezes even if nothing but a ps2-keyboard (no sata devices, no usb devices, no mouse) is connected. I think we can rule out the mouse.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Bruticis on 24-January-11, 19:13:17
Something I've begun to notice, particular with PaulWendt's post with regards to freezing when saving- but are people navigating the UEFI entirely with the mouse? I think I had an issue with clicking on Save with a mouse, but pressing the enter key worked fine and "Sav and Reset" just worked. FWIW I'm still on 1.7.

My mouse (Mionix 5000) doesn't work correctly in the UEFI so I'm only using the keyboard.

EDIT: MSI support just asked me to flash with the 1.8 firmware.  Can I just update add the E7681IMS.187 to my USB patch stick.  Or do I need to rerun the tool just to be safe?
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: klaasvaag on 24-January-11, 21:07:00
Let me know if it helps.....
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Bruticis on 24-January-11, 21:14:01
Will do but I believe it's the same one others have tried.  I'll still do it (as should anyone else that's instructed) so I can give them my feedback.  We need to keep up the info stream to MSI support so they can get this worked out.  Don't get frustrated and give up, I'm quite sure this issue can be fixed via an update.  Here's the exact instructions from MSI, in case anyone is curious:

Dear Customer, Please try each stick of memory individually in dimm slot 1 also check your e-mail for the 1.87 bios file please use the same tools that you used when updated to the 1.70 bios and be sure to clear out the CMOS right after the bios has been updated. Thank you.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: uchulele on 24-January-11, 22:01:07
Will do but I believe it's the same one others have tried.  I'll still do it (as should anyone else that's instructed) so I can give them my feedback.  We need to keep up the info stream to MSI support so they can get this worked out.  Don't get frustrated and give up, I'm quite sure this issue can be fixed via an update.  Here's the exact instructions from MSI, in case anyone is curious:

Dear Customer, Please try each stick of memory individually in dimm slot 1 also check your e-mail for the 1.87 bios file please use the same tools that you used when updated to the 1.70 bios and be sure to clear out the CMOS right after the bios has been updated. Thank you.
Good to know! I also contacted MSI support, waiting 4 response atm.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: brattak on 24-January-11, 23:07:39
Will do but I believe it's the same one others have tried.  I'll still do it (as should anyone else that's instructed) so I can give them my feedback.  We need to keep up the info stream to MSI support so they can get this worked out.  Don't get frustrated and give up, I'm quite sure this issue can be fixed via an update.  Here's the exact instructions from MSI, in case anyone is curious:

Dear Customer, Please try each stick of memory individually in dimm slot 1 also check your e-mail for the 1.87 bios file please use the same tools that you used when updated to the 1.70 bios and be sure to clear out the CMOS right after the bios has been updated. Thank you.

please upload the bios 187

thanks
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Bruticis on 24-January-11, 23:48:15
Done, here you go: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=GHU3R3JD (Mods, I assume this is OK to do...if not, please remove).
EDIT:  No luck with it fixing the problem but here's the info I submitted back to MSI:
I've updated my bios using the MSIHQ USB Boot Tool.  After a successful flash, I powered off the PC and removed the power cord.  After waiting one minute, I cleared the CMOS.  I waited another minute then powered the PC back on.  I entered the bios, confirmed the bios version is now 1.8B7.  I loaded the optimized defaults then selected save and exit.  My system then froze again and would not respond without a reset.  I've confirmed my bios info also with the MSIHQ tool:

Mainboard:  P67A-GD65 (MS-7681)
PCB Version:  2.0
BIOS Version: V1.8B7
BIOS Date:  1/14/2011
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Svet on 25-January-11, 02:11:40
Done, here you go: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=GHU3R3JD (Mods, I assume this is OK to do...if not, please remove).
EDIT:  No luck with it fixing the problem but here's the info I submitted back to MSI:
I've updated my bios using the MSIHQ USB Boot Tool.  After a successful flash, I powered off the PC and removed the power cord.  After waiting one minute, I cleared the CMOS.  I waited another minute then powered the PC back on.  I entered the bios, confirmed the bios version is now 1.8B7.  I loaded the optimized defaults then selected save and exit.  My system then froze again and would not respond without a reset.  I've confirmed my bios info also with the MSIHQ tool:

Mainboard:  P67A-GD65 (MS-7681)
PCB Version:  2.0
BIOS Version: V1.8B7
BIOS Date:  1/14/2011

Can you test each one of your memory sticks individually?
Just rerun the MSIHQ Tool and let him to prepare your stick again[make sure that you're connected to the internet],
then reboot and boot from the USB key,
and choose Run Memtest86+
[ver.4.20] is just released which support Intel Sandy Bridge,
Tool will auto install it


Version Updated to 1.19e4:

Changes:

* Update while flashing logo with new improved one
* Update self drawing image art, moved 44% to center [+ regular ver. update per each version]
* Color coding for detected and saved BIOS with original name increased from 3 to 6,
 to make difference and to be more visible for eye:
 AMI/EFI, marketing number, chipset: Intel/AMD/Nvidia/VIA/SiS , retail model or not, Beta version or official.
/* Appear only for AMI and EFI based boards */
* Add own color for validated security result ID
* Update BK_IO2.ASM {
   - Add time halter for custom directives, to halt execution and count down for 10 seconds before resume,
   to prevent Rocket flashing, like: https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=144916.0

Hey just now i tried flashing my vbios on my gx640 using the MSI forum tool.

It completed without any errors and all that and it did say it was successful but it completed so fast i almost cant believe it.
      Apply to:  Notebooks flashing: [AMD's VBIOS, BIOS, EC-FW, BIOS & EC-FW at one], All-in-One PC and others customs
   - Add and replace with the same time halter for predefined directives to replace stop execution and waiting for input.
}

Self Update activated.
Version Updated to 1.19e5:

Changes:

 * Fine tune some of recently added features
 * Memtest86+ synchronization update in advance to version 4.20 [N/A yet],
 Tool will auto install[when internet connection is available],
  latest Memtest86+ version 4.20 [N/A yet] when its released.[expected to be released very soon]
 4.20 will support Intel Sandy Bridge and AMD Fusion

Self Update activated.



Memtest86+ v4.20 has been just released.
==> http://www.memtest.org/#change
Changes:
    *** Enhancements in v4.20 : ***

        * New Features
              o Added failsafe mode (press F1 at startup)
              o Added support for Intel "Sandy Bridge" CPU
              o Added support for AMD "fusion" CPU
              o Added Coreboot "table forward" support
        * Bug Fixes
              o Corrected some memory brands not detected properly
              o Various bug fixes



MSIHQ Tool 1.19e5 [released yesterday] has been successfully automatically synchronized  with new Memtest86+ v4.20[released today]
Everything is functional properly as expected,
MSIHQ Tool update is not required.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Bruticis on 25-January-11, 02:23:59
I noticed the tool updated when I added the newer firmware a few hours ago.  Memtest didn't work this weekend when I tried to run it so I figured I'd try it again and see if that's what the update was for (and it was, nice work!).  I only had 1 stick in at the time of the flash and memtest found no errors with it.  I did the flash, the CMOS clear, and the bios save using only one stick (the stick I tested with memtest).  I left this out of my log, but you can see, I'm using the newest version:

MSIHQ: Information detected by MSIHQ Tool ver: 1.19e5
MSIHQ: Report generated in Fri 01/14/2011 at  0:08:50.05 (ignore this date/time stamp, I can't fix my time with the bios save bug)
*********************************
Mainboard:  P67A-GD65 (MS-7681)
PCB Version:  2.0
BIOS Version: V1.8B7
BIOS Date:  1/14/2011
*********************************
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Svet on 25-January-11, 02:29:05
Yep, everything looks fine.

More ideas:
Maybe you can test with your second stick alone then?
[not to flash bios again, but to see if the saving issue will persist when you use the second one instead]
To see if its gonna save issue still persist.
Also try to remove un necessary things that's no need to boot like:
"Creative X-Fi Fatality (PCI) Sound"
and see if that would makes any difference to the "save issue",
e.g. try boot the machine with barebone config
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Bruticis on 25-January-11, 05:03:56
OK, I powered down, pulled my sound card, pulled my 2nd hard drive, and optical drive.  Swapped my other stick of RAM into slot 1, ran memtest, no errors.  Booted in UEFI, tried to save and exit but got the lock up.  Maybe we need to start looking at what items we have that are similar to each other with the issue (we can probably rule out things like hard drives and sound cards, etc, as the issue still occurs with them unplugged).  The only two pieces I have that I could think of causing a problem would be my video card, which is an XFX AMD HD 6870 Black Edition and my RAM, which is Corsair model # CMX4GX3M2A1600C9 (note, this model is not on the memory capability list).  The only other thing I can think of, and this is really grasping at straws, is the batch number of my CPU.  My batch number is L041B800.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: PaulWendt on 25-January-11, 05:46:43
I tried one memory stick at a time as well.  I have not run memtest on the sticks, but I get the same error when only one is plugged in [I plugged each in, one at a time, into the primary slot only].  I did not try moving to different memory slots, however.

I notice that Bruticis [CMX4GX3M2A1600C9], klaasvaag[CMZ8GX3M2A1600C8], and I [CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9] all have Corsair memory.  klaasvaag and I seem to have the same power supply as well.

I do not have any other DDR3 memory to try [nor a power supply].  Thanks for 1.87 [they didn't give me a reply to download anything], but I do not remain hopeful. 

Do either you two [Bruticis or klaasvaag] have other memory you could try?  The memory itself might be good according to memtest, but just not supported by the board; it's also possible that they made a recent change that's not fully compatible with the memory.  If we can narrow it down to the memory, though, that'd be great progress in the right direction.

Thanks for the feedback, guys.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Svet on 25-January-11, 06:35:39
My mouse (Mionix 5000) doesn't work correctly in the UEFI so I'm only using the keyboard.

EDIT: MSI support just asked me to flash with the 1.8 firmware.  Can I just update add the E7681IMS.187 to my USB patch stick.  Or do I need to rerun the tool just to be safe?

Quote
Can I just update add the E7681IMS.187 to my USB patch stick.

If you place/add it to the USB key, nothing will happends. [Will be ignored and Tool will continue to flash his own prepared stuffs]
If you try to replace prepared by Tool's image located over the USB key,
[which can apply any name, depend of scenario, e.g. you must guess the name 1st]
One original name will be found, that's the old BIOS detected and stored with original name,
ready for M-Flash recovery.
Or original BIOS image may also apply to planned bios update,
if was used custom directives [like flashing 1.70+ME, or 1.86+ME],
in that case's its following priority execution, which takes ownership over predefined directives.
If BIOS only was updated, the BIOS image will be named BIOS.BIN.

If you try to replace/switch/overwrite BIOS.BIN with your new E7681IMS.187,
or guessed BIOS file name with your new E7681IMS.187.

Tool will detect that as un-authorized modification has been done,
which will cause security issue and will refuse to flash it.
E.g. target firmware will become no longer authentic and process will be aborted.
Tool will detect that intended/planned image to flash,
is no longer the same or has been modified.
[Possible reasons: Corrupted, Damaged image, Damaged USB key, File system on the USB key is corrupted,
Error while transferring to the USB key[not correctly written].

And Tool will abort BIOS update,
its part of Tool's protection mechanism,
to ensure that you gonna flash exactly what you want to flash [not something else, and definitely not damaged or corrupted stuffs]

So this cheating will not fool the Tool :)

Quote
Or do I need to rerun the tool just to be safe?

Yes, re-run the Tool to re-detect his stuffs :)
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Froggy Gremlin on 25-January-11, 07:53:39
Quote
batch number of my CPU. My batch number is L041B800.
Batch L042B215 here.

Quote
The only two pieces I have that I could think of causing a problem would be my video card, which is an XFX AMD HD 6870 Black Edition and my RAM
Don't forget mouse & keyboard. Razar mouse has also shown up in another thread. I have tested with Crucial 1333's, Corsair's rated 1866's, 2000's, & 2400's in configurations of 2GB, 4GB, & 8GB total, all with '0' problems. All set to 1333 9 9 9 24 @ 1.507V's set in BIOS (1 stick for initial startup). Once known to be stable & good at standard JEDEC, then the OC'ing of them begins. I don't have any 1600's to test with, & I noticed all the ones listed in PaulWendt's thread were 1600's. Coincidence that problems are with Corsair 1600's being used? Don't know. :undecided:
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: PaulWendt on 25-January-11, 08:24:39
Thanks a lot for trying to help.  I have the original G15 Logitech USB keyboard and a Logitech G7 mouse.  However, one step I did go through was to unplug both and try with solely a USB keyboard lying around.  Needless to say, the problem still occurred. 

Would it be beneficial to try the memory NOT in slot #1 [the one closest to the CPU]?  When I tried each of my sticks individually, I placed them there....
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Froggy Gremlin on 25-January-11, 08:25:52
Quote
Would it be beneficial to try the memory NOT in slot #1
Nope. Won't boot.

 Edit: It's worth a try.

 Edit by request of poster.

                                 Henry
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: klaasvaag on 25-January-11, 09:18:58
Do either you two [Bruticis or klaasvaag] have other memory you could try?

Hi PaulWendt,

i expect to receive my RMA-ed board (new one) today or tomorrow. I also RMA-ed my Corsair memory as there is one stick broken (memtest 4.2 revealed errors one one stick after 3 hours, other one has been good after 17 hours).
The memory i all ready have received back. To make sure i also have borrowed a 1333 set (2x4 GB) form a friend which i will use to test also.

The test will be this week. i'll keep you all posted.

greetz,
Sander
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Jack on 25-January-11, 11:21:38
Done, here you go: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=GHU3R3JD (Mods, I assume this is OK to do...if not, please remove).

I have uploaded the v1.8b7 BETA Release here in the forum.  You can find it here:

https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=144655.msg1080230#msg1080230
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Bruticis on 25-January-11, 14:13:56
Does anyone that has the save bug have memory that's on the list of tested RAM for this motherboard, located here: http://www.msi.com/product/mb/P67A-GD65.html#/?div=TestReport
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: uchulele on 25-January-11, 14:30:00
Does anyone that has the save bug have memory that's on the list of tested RAM for this motherboard, located here: http://www.msi.com/product/mb/P67A-GD65.html#/?div=TestReport

I do (KHX1600C8D3K2/4GX) but no luck with 1.8b7 bios either.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: DerBert on 25-January-11, 14:50:23
Me too - G.Skill Ripjaws 2x4GB (F3-12800CL9D-8GBRL)
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Bruticis on 25-January-11, 15:28:18
I'm going to borrow a stick of RAM from my work Dell, it's a Samsung 2GB DDR3 1333Mhz (PC3-10600).  Part number is M378B5673FH0-CH9 (this model is on MSI list).  I'll update the post when I get home with the results.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: kuziu on 25-January-11, 22:38:18
bios 1.8b7 has some defect in overclocking the CPU overclocked to 5GHz stable previously worked with 1.48V bios, and now the Linx 0.6.4 crash course bugs me about the new beta bios 1.8b7, the system is stable and will not go 100% for stability tests: /
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Bruticis on 25-January-11, 22:47:49
bios 1.8b7 has some defect in overclocking the CPU overclocked to 5GHz stable previously worked with 1.48V bios, and now the Linx 0.6.4 crash course bugs me about the new beta bios 1.8b7, the system is stable and will not go 100% for stability tests: /
That's probably best for it's own thread and a ticket with MSI so they can get that fixed.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: narciso on 25-January-11, 23:10:50
bios 1.8b7 has some defect in overclocking the CPU overclocked to 5GHz stable previously worked with 1.48V bios, and now the Linx 0.6.4 crash course bugs me about the new beta bios 1.8b7, the system is stable and will not go 100% for stability tests: /

Which bios were you using when you had your cpu stable at 5ghz?
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Bruticis on 25-January-11, 23:58:11
So I just installed a 2GB stick from work in my system (SAMSUNG M378B5673FH0-CH9, this model is on the list on the website as tested working).  I cleared the CMOS, went into UEFI, load defaults, save/reset, same problem.  I don't think this is a RAM issue.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Froggy Gremlin on 26-January-11, 00:49:28
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same error  with the same conf. CPU ram motherboard and psu

try to disable the c-state under oc profile-> processor menu

now my PC run for 7 hour with no freeze

Could this be the magic temporary cure? It's worth a try. OP had system freezes, starts at Reply #16, https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=144963.0  
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: kuziu on 26-January-11, 01:18:04
Which bios were you using when you had your cpu stable at 5ghz?

everything was good to 1.7b4 and 1.8b6 BIOSes they were OK bios'es

I think that if MSI has eliminated the high voltage spikes, would have been better overclocking performance
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: bullus on 26-January-11, 01:38:41
Since I flash it with 1.8b7 ,I also have the save problem, with previous biosses I didn't had the problem. Only bios v1.4 is working now to save the settings in bios.

Running fine before with 1.8b6 >5Ghz...How to revert back so I can use 1.8b6 again?

Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Bruticis on 26-January-11, 01:45:21
Since I flash it with 1.8b7 ,I also have the save problem, with previous biosses I didn't had the problem. Only bios v1.4 is working now to save the settings in bios.

Running fine before with 1.8b6 >5Ghz...How to revert back so I can use 1.8b6 again?


PLEASE!! open a ticket with MSI support as well.  They need to know about all these cases!
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: bullus on 26-January-11, 01:47:38
PLEASE!! open a ticket with MSI support as well.  They need to know about all these cases!

I already did today ;)
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Bruticis on 26-January-11, 01:56:25
Could this be the magic temporary cure? It's worth a try. OP had system freezes, starts at Reply #16, https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=144963.0  

It was worth a shot but no luck for me.  I found it under OC -> CPU Features -> Intel C-State (enabled by default, I disabled).  Tried to save/reset but I got the lock up.

I already did today ;)
Great!  Every ticket we give them will help them out. 
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: PaulWendt on 26-January-11, 02:12:05
So I just installed a 2GB stick from work in my system (SAMSUNG M378B5673FH0-CH9, this model is on the list on the website as tested working).  I cleared the CMOS, went into UEFI, load defaults, save/reset, same problem.  I don't think this is a RAM issue.

Thanks for the time spent troubleshooting.  I don't know what it could be.  I wonder if there was some option in-between 1.4 and now that they changed the default of, meaning the problem might occur with 1.4 if the "proper" option were set.

Their support gave me one initial canned response and has been silent ever since.  I've responded to them multiple times and they've given no response.  I don't know if they've got any ideas or not, but I did refer them to this thread, but since they never bothered to reply, I have no idea if they even got the message.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: dupcengier26 on 26-January-11, 02:13:41
Hello,please give a link to the latest beta bios and the m-flash utility .
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Aaron on 26-January-11, 02:33:28
Hello,please give a link to the latest beta bios and the m-flash utility .

Do not use M-flash.  It's deadly.

I think you need a certain number of posts before you can see file attachments?
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Bruticis on 26-January-11, 02:49:31
Well it looks like MSI support is out of ideas for my particular case.  I just got this response from support:
Dear Customer, Seems at this point to be board issue and it will need to be either exchanged by the reseller or sent in under an RMA. If you wish to send it in then you can go out to the link below and request an RMA number. Or just contact your reseller for an exchange. Thank you, http://service.msicomputer.com/msi_user/rmaform_p.aspx

I guess I'll return the board to newegg but I'm really on the fence about getting another one in replacement.  I love MSI's products and support and I know all the manufacturers are having problems with this new socket board.  It just seems like the user base is smaller for this MSI board then say the ASUS P8P67 line.  It's a bit easier to work out a solution to a problem when more people have the board.  I know MSI will get this issue fixed, I just don't know if I have I can endure while it's resolved.  What to do, what to do...

EDIT:  I just noticed newegg deactivated this product (it's out of stock but they dont deactivate something that out of stock typically).  The customer comments on the board aren't too pretty either.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130553&nm_mc=OTC-Froogle&cm_mmc=OTC-Froogle-_-Motherboards+-+Intel-_-MSI-_-13130553
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: kuziu on 26-January-11, 02:58:54
Ok guys, I sent a message to the bracket msi, now I'm waiting for a response
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Henry on 26-January-11, 03:15:39
 
 If you need to flash BIOS:  >> Use the MSI HQ Forum USB flasher << (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=116721.0)
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: PaulWendt on 26-January-11, 03:43:29
I think I'll take a page from some other people and order an ASUS board to replace this one.  Another thing I noticed is that attempting to disable "Spread Spectrum" will actually cause the BIOS program to lockup, too.  Their support is a joke.  I read the comments on newegg and one support rep is asking for direct e-mails.  I'll give it one more go, but if they give me more canned responses, back it goes.  Too bad my video card was MSI brand, too.  I've never had an issue with ASUS before; I don't know why I switched this time around.  Lesson learned.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Bruticis on 26-January-11, 03:49:08
I think I'll take a page from some other people and order an ASUS board to replace this one.  Another thing I noticed is that attempting to disable "Spread Spectrum" will actually cause the BIOS program to lockup, too.  Their support is a joke.  I read the comments on newegg and one support rep is asking for direct e-mails.  I'll give it one more go, but if they give me more canned responses, back it goes.  Too bad my video card was MSI brand, too.  I've never had an issue with ASUS before; I don't know why I switched this time around.  Lesson learned.

It's not all milk and honey in Asus land either, they are having lots of little problems as well (check the forums, like I did).  However, like I said, there's a larger user base with the Asus P67 boards right now though.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: herener on 26-January-11, 06:30:27
Same problem here.  Board came with 1.5, m-flashed to 1.7, would lock on save.  M-flashed back to 1.4 then save worked but IME wouldnt install.  Tried to give it a go again with 1.8b6 and the usb installer save lock issue came back.  Installed IME just fine with 1.8b6.  Just went to 1.8b7 haven't tried to save yet, not hopefull at this point though.  Will most likely revert to 1.4 until the save issue is resolved by MSI.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: PaulWendt on 26-January-11, 08:24:01
It's not all milk and honey in Asus land either, they are having lots of little problems as well (check the forums, like I did).  However, like I said, there's a larger user base with the Asus P67 boards right now though.

You are correct on both counts, of course.  Per usual, my emotions got the better of me.  If nothing else, I can say I'm not too impressed with MSI's support.  I don't know if ASUS' support is any better, truth be told.

I'm having the same issues as other people earlier on in the forum when attempting to update Intel's ME firmware:
Error 8193: Intel (R) ME Interface : Cannot locate ME device driver

I think that the hardware/software wasn't properly put into the boards to begin with [from some locations], which could explain why things would work fine for some people, but not others. 

Thanks to everyone for their time.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: klaasvaag on 26-January-11, 09:00:44
hmmm  RMA-ed my board and expect to recieve a new one today. Maybe i'd better asked for money back and purchased a different brand.

If this new board also gives me this sorrow i will be very , very mad.

But will continue to post here......
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: charismo on 26-January-11, 10:25:43
PaulWendt..

I am sure that a lot of MSI boards are fine. This board is just inexcusably bad due to these crippling bios issues.

I have gone with the Asus board. Maybe their support is as bad as MSI, but the point is I haven't needed to use it. The p8p67 pro does have some minor niggles but compared to this msi board, it is a dream (most things work). The cold boot issue is easily fixable. So far after following this thread I am just happy that I swapped, even though it took me a couple of hours to swap out the motherboard. Still better than waiting weeks or months for a fix from MSI

The worst thing about it right now is that MSI have not even officially said - yes, we recognise that this is a problem, we have seen multiple customers with it, our engineers are working on it. They are still sending messages like "please return your board for a replacement", or "please clear your CMOS". Somehow this is not getting past the front lines into the engineering division at MSI and this was the primary reason that made me just give up on this board.

Bugs are normal, every product has bugs. But some bugs are more critical than others. A no bios save bug basically means you have an unconfigurable BIOS, which, for a product like this, reduces it's value drastically. There should always be a certain amount of basic testing and validation that occurs before releasing a product and I feel that MSI have not done this properly this time around. Even for a new product. Think of it this way, if when Apple released the iphone and it didn't do half of what it said it could due to bugs, do you think people would accept that, just because it was a new product?

My advice is just drop this particular MSI board and pick up an ASUS or a Gigabyte board.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: klaasvaag on 26-January-11, 10:49:10
PaulWendt..

I am sure that a lot of MSI boards are fine. This board is just inexcusably bad due to these crippling bios issues.

I have gone with the Asus board. Maybe their support is as bad as MSI, but the point is I haven't needed to use it. The p8p67 pro does have some minor niggles but compared to this msi board, it is a dream (most things work). The cold boot issue is easily fixable. So far after following this thread I am just happy that I swapped, even though it took me a couple of hours to swap out the motherboard. Still better than waiting weeks or months for a fix from MSI

The worst thing about it right now is that MSI have not even officially said - yes, we recognise that this is a problem, we have seen multiple customers with it, our engineers are working on it. They are still sending messages like "please return your board for a replacement", or "please clear your CMOS". Somehow this is not getting past the front lines into the engineering division at MSI and this was the primary reason that made me just give up on this board.

Bugs are normal, every product has bugs. But some bugs are more critical than others. A no bios save bug basically means you have an unconfigurable BIOS, which, for a product like this, reduces it's value drastically. There should always be a certain amount of basic testing and validation that occurs before releasing a product and I feel that MSI have not done this properly this time around. Even for a new product. Think of it this way, if when Apple released the iphone and it didn't do half of what it said it could due to bugs, do you think people would accept that, just because it was a new product?

My advice is just drop this particular MSI board and pick up an ASUS or a Gigabyte board.

well said, im stubborn though  X-(( will try my new board and see if it makes any difference. If it does then it's definately is something with the production of certain (small amount) of boards.
If this one is crap too im switching to Asus (always used Asus in the past..).

I experienced the same with MSI support stating that i had to RMA it (after 10 days of the initial support entry by me).
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Froggy Gremlin on 26-January-11, 11:12:38
Some thoughts & observations. Today was the start of adding more system components from the barebones initial startup & tests. The first was a second RAM stick. It failed to boot into Windows & believe the reason to be BIOS sets the default (Auto) DRAM V. too low at 1.472V's. Once increased to 1.521V's, which nets 1.504V's in Windows, all was fine (Corsair RAM). Spread Spectrum is 'disabled', in CPU Features, Pwr Tech., all are set to 'disabled'. The rig has been humming along fine, saves just fine, & looking for a clue or common denominator is proving difficult, as this particular exemplar is not exhibiting problems. Management Engine has been suspect, C-States, as well as compatibility with some mouse models. For everyone's sake, I hope the MSI engineers figure it all out & soon. :-))   
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: bullus on 26-January-11, 13:00:43
Got a reply from MSI Support Netherlands, what was very quick they response.

They ask me to run bios v1.4....That is indeed the only bios what is working with the SAVE bios.
I resend them this topic and did several biosses but every bios it just hangs with saving. Also the error code with IME.

I wonder if my board will be ok for future biosses, or I just need another board.

edit;

flash the bios to 1.4 and use m-flash to flash 1.8b6 ,but same hang issue. (before it went al fine when I got the mobo and use m-flash to flash the bios from 1.7b5 until 1.8b6)
After bios 1.8b7 it went wrong. :(
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: flopper on 26-January-11, 14:07:05
I use a gd55 board, had some issues with save the ram timings but with the latests beta bioses has worked for me currently running 1.86b.
I use Kingston hyper blu 1600mhz cl9 ram 4gb.
I use the raid control with 2xssd.
win 7 64bit.
razer deathadder mouse 3500dpi and steelseries keyboard 6gv2.

The board has some issues, the flash to get mei driver and needed to use a msi usb tool was not easy and I am somewhat a computer geek, I wouldnt expect my sister to do it ;)
I currently run 5ghz 24/7 on a 2500K
I noted that the voltage adjustment from bios 1.74 to 1.86b shifted a little from bios set to actual.
I assume as I had with my old Gigabyte x58 ud5 board a year or such before there is a bios that just works.
;)

However, my day to day uses just works with the board.
Happy with it for the price/performance ratio.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Ruudt on 26-January-11, 15:34:04
Hi All,

Current bioses (regular and UEFI) for Intel platforms have a bios part and an Intel ME part.

Usually the ME part doesn't need updating, so AFUD*.EXE or M-Flash only updates the bios part.
Recently we received an updated ME file form Intel that can solve the "F10/Save & Exit" issue.

Bios v1.00 to v1.60 have ME version 1141
Bios v1.70 to ......  have ME version 1164

Attached bios is only for P67A-GD65 and P67A-GD55.

To update both parts you need to flash the bios part and ME part in DOS (preferably use a DOS bootable USB stick).
Attached bios package has two parts.
Part1 (bios flash tool, bios file)
AFUDE234 E7681IMS.186
Part2 (ME flash tool, parameters, ME file)
MEUP -ALLOWSV -F ME1164.BIN

An easier method is to execute the 7681v186.bat file in DOS.

The flashing of the ME part will show as dots and can take a while, please have patience till it finishes.

Can you let us know if this can solve the issue?

Grt Ruudt

Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: DerBert on 26-January-11, 15:47:38
Hello Ruudt!

Thank you for your help, but the package of Bios 1.8b6 + ME 1164 has already been posted by Svet on January 14th (page 3 of this thread). Unfortunately it didn't resolve the issue for anyone.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: PaulWendt on 26-January-11, 16:04:43
Part2 (ME flash tool, parameters, ME file)
MEUP -ALLOWSV -F ME1164.BIN

Thank you for the response.  Following the queue from DerBert, I want to say that this also did not work for me.  Like some others in this thread, I just get:
Error 8193: Intel (R) ME Interface : Cannot locate ME device driver
Using -verbose with meup yields 20 "timeout" error messages.  I think my BIOS never had the Intel ME firmware installed into it to begin with, but who knows?

I gave this information to the normal support line and they said:
In this scenario, we would suggest you get in touch with your reseller/retailer(the place you bought this mainboard from) to have them examine the board fully for you and get the issue fixed, if any; Sorry for any inconvenience caused here!

Broken engrish aside, I don't think MSI will have a good solution for this other than to replace it.  I actually am going the route of replacing this particular board altogether.  I respect that this exact same model has worked for so many other people, but my own experiences [especially with their entire support process] has soured me on the MSI brand.  I'm even returning the video card :P
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: bullus on 26-January-11, 16:05:16
Hi All,

Current bioses (regular and UEFI) for Intel platforms have a bios part and an Intel ME part.

Usually the ME part doesn't need updating, so AFUD*.EXE or M-Flash only updates the bios part.
Recently we received an updated ME file form Intel that can solve the "F10/Save & Exit" issue.

Bios v1.00 to v1.60 have ME version 1141
Bios v1.70 to ......  have ME version 1164

Attached bios is only for P67A-GD65 and P67A-GD55.

To update both parts you need to flash the bios part and ME part in DOS (preferably use a DOS bootable USB stick).
Attached bios package has two parts.
Part1 (bios flash tool, bios file)
AFUDE234 E7681IMS.186
Part2 (ME flash tool, parameters, ME file)
MEUP -ALLOWSV -F ME1164.BIN

An easier method is to execute the 7681v186.bat file in DOS.

The flashing of the ME part will show as dots and can take a while, please have patience till it finishes.

Can you let us know if this can solve the issue?

Grt Ruudt



What about the part 2 ,when u got an error.
Error 8193: Intel (R) ME Interface : Cannot locate ME device driver"

Using Svet method with the msi usb flash tool.
Will try another try with a bootable usb
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: DerBert on 26-January-11, 16:11:32
I've used the MSI HQ Flash Tool and the according archive provided by Svet - the ME Update to 1164 went fine in my case, but it did not change anything. 1.4 still is the only Bios that doesn't lock up on save.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Bruticis on 26-January-11, 16:15:08
I think my BIOS never had the Intel ME firmware installed into it to begin with, but who knows?

That's an interesting observation.  I installed the MSI Control Center II (2.0.012) app and I noticed I got a warning message every time I ran it.  I'm not home right now but it said something about I must install the Intel MEI before overclocking.  When I downloaded and tried to run the MEI software (from the MSI website), the installer wouldn't run saying my environment didn't meet the requirements (again, sorry for vague messages but I'm at work now and can't get the exact wording).  At the time, I didn't think anything of it because OC'ing was something I was going to worry about after I got the bios fixed.  Could everyone else who's having the save issue see if they get the same error message when they launch the MSI control center (http://www.msi.com/service/download/utility-15496.html)?  And if you do get the same warning as I do, try to install the Intel Management Engine Driver (http://www.msi.com/service/download/driver-15512.html) and see if the installer will run for them?
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Ruudt on 26-January-11, 17:34:53
Hi All,

I am starting to believe in faith now.
Just minutes after I posted the suggestion to flash (E7681IMS.186 + ME1164.BIN), my collegue received a brand new P67A-GD65 from stock (with bios v1.4 on it) for testing.
He entered the bios, F6 Load optimized defaults, F10 Save & Exit -> Hangs right there.

He thought (as i did) , just flash the ME part and it should be fine.
Wrong, ME part could not be flashed. (He tried E7681IMS.187 +ME1164.BIN)

See attached picture.

We tried changing some hardware: CPU, MEM, VGA.
No solution.

Tried E7681IMS.186 + ME1164.BIN, could not flash ME part.

Tried a P67A-GD55 with the same hardware and software, no problem flashing the ME part (see attached picture).
I also flashed P67A-GD65's before with ME1164.BIN without issues.

Hang in there, I am pushing for a  solution.


Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: PaulWendt on 26-January-11, 17:41:29
That's an interesting observation.  I installed the MSI Control Center II (2.0.012) app and I noticed I got a warning message every time I ran it.  I'm not home right now but it said something about I must install the Intel MEI before overclocking.  When I downloaded and tried to run the MEI software (from the MSI website), the installer wouldn't run saying my environment didn't meet the requirements (again, sorry for vague messages but I'm at work now and can't get the exact wording).  At the time, I didn't think anything of it because OC'ing was something I was going to worry about after I got the bios fixed.  Could everyone else who's having the save issue see if they get the same error message when they launch the MSI control center (http://www.msi.com/service/download/utility-15496.html)?  And if you do get the same warning as I do, try to install the Intel Management Engine Driver (http://www.msi.com/service/download/driver-15512.html) and see if the installer will run for them?

Yes, I had this same issue.  I was able to circumvent it by reverting to 1.4 and then installing the MEI drivers in the OS.  If I was on a BIOS later than 1.4, Control Center II would seem to work, but the machine would sporadically lock up if I made changes.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: bullus on 26-January-11, 17:46:08
Hi Ruudt,

It's much better if ur collegue also have a board, nice going.

I'm also testing.

Flash the 186 with ME and no errors! :) using 7681v186
-didn't cmos and in the bios it hangs again.
-after that i did cmos and i can save again (but only once)

booting into windows and check the intel me version in windows and it says 7.0.0.1118 > Don't we have to updat it also to the same version with the flash (7.0.2.1164)?
Will try to update it also in windows...testing

edit
installed 7.0.2.1164 but after instal it shows 7.0.0.1144?
reboot and go into bios, same problems that it hangs
clearcmos> same save freeze.

Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Ruudt on 26-January-11, 18:27:27
Hi All,

The ME update issue is not solved but the "F10 / Save & Exit" issue is solved by bios E7681IMS.18A.

See attached.

Can you all test that one.

Grt Ruudt.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: bullus on 26-January-11, 18:39:43
Is it ok to use m-flash for .18a?
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Svet on 26-January-11, 18:58:35
BIOS info from: >>MSI HQ Forum USB flasher<< (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=116721.0)
MSIHQ: Information detected by MSIHQ Tool ver: 1.19e5
MSIHQ: Report generated in Wed, 01/26/2011 at 19:39.34
*********************************
Mainboard:  P67A-GD65 (MS-7681)
PCB Version:  2.0
BIOS Version: V1.8BA (aka Version: V1.8B10)
BIOS Date:  01/24/2011
*********************************
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Ruudt on 26-January-11, 19:12:19
I tested it with DOS and AFUDE234.EXE but I think M-FLash should do the trick too (since the ME part still can't be updated).
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: wastelcat on 26-January-11, 19:34:08
Hello Ruudt,

i just testet the 1.8A you upped  and

Yipjeee - i am able to save without freeze, settings are correct when i reenter bios.

Checked on 2 of our Systems so far, 3 more to go.

Big thx to all who helped catch the bug.

Wastelcat
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: pepe123 on 26-January-11, 19:37:44
Hi All,

I am starting to believe in faith now.
Just minutes after I posted the suggestion to flash (E7681IMS.186 + ME1164.BIN), my collegue received a brand new P67A-GD65 from stock (with bios v1.4 on it) for testing.
He entered the bios, F6 Load optimized defaults, F10 Save & Exit -> Hangs right there.

He thought (as i did) , just flash the ME part and it should be fine.
Wrong, ME part could not be flashed. (He tried E7681IMS.187 +ME1164.BIN)

See attached picture.

We tried changing some hardware: CPU, MEM, VGA.
No solution.

Tried E7681IMS.186 + ME1164.BIN, could not flash ME part.

Tried a P67A-GD55 with the same hardware and software, no problem flashing the ME part (see attached picture).
I also flashed P67A-GD65's before with ME1164.BIN without issues.

Hang in there, I am pushing for a  solution.


Thank God that someone of YOU finally bought such a board and BELEIVED that this is a REAL problem!

HOW LONG SHOULD IT HAVE TAKEN TILL YOU REALISE THIS IS REAL???

This has been reported on Jan 4th and so many user have contacted the MSI support since then! It obviously took less than ONE (1!) hour to fix it after you got such a board!

Guys, you should either be around here more often or BELIEVE IN THE PROBLEMS PEOPLE REPORT THEY HAVE.

It's called "SUPPORT SURVICE".  :idea:
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: DerBert on 26-January-11, 19:39:54
It saves! I flashed 1.8B10 using the MSI HQ Flash Tool 1.19e5, cleared the CMOS, rebooted and for the first time ever on anything after 1.4 it did NOT lock up on save.

Thank you very much!
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: boobeer on 26-January-11, 19:48:39
Yep bios 1.8b10 doesn't freeze when you save.

Just a small issue with spread spectrum on the O/C tab.. when trying to disable it it freezes..

I hope you'll find a solution for the ME firmware update fail.

Thx for the beta bios.  :)
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: bullus on 26-January-11, 19:52:58
Ok flash it it with msi usb flash tool and now it's working  :biggthumbsup: but I get some bugs now,

-When u wanna change "spread spectrum" it just freeze>solved
-changing bclck don't work, it revert back to 10000> solved
-my bclk in cpu-z show 103mhz?> solved
-with every reboot ,the mobo powers down and power up again.

But it's ok now with the SAVE issue  :biggthumbsup: :biggthumbsup:
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Mike on 26-January-11, 20:40:51
@Pepe, :nono:


@all
MSI is still working on the issues.  Now you can save your settings.  Please be patient.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: bro20000 on 26-January-11, 21:47:02
Has anyone got a link to the new bios V1.8B10!
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: charismo on 26-January-11, 21:47:39
okay this is great news that there appears to be a fix.

but obviously there was a lack of communication from MSI. They were obviously working on it (since it is fixed in the latest bios), why didn't they post anything, even if just to say "yes we recognise this issue exists and our engineers are working on a new bios to fix it".

This simple message with some daily updates or something would have kept me as an MSI customer.

I hope that MSI takes this feedback seriously. Customer relationships and experiences last over many years. Getting customers to feel brand loyalty means you have to treat them well, and can be very rewarding in the long run (i.e. in a 10 year period I am likely to buy 5-6 mobos).
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: DerBert on 26-January-11, 21:50:07
@bro20000: It's in Ruudts post - Reply #304
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Mike on 26-January-11, 21:50:47
1.8A is 1.8B10

https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=144484.msg1080605#msg1080605
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: bullus on 26-January-11, 22:07:01
hmm seems like it is 1.8b7, that's what cpu-z says  :bonk:
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: klataa on 26-January-11, 22:22:24
no, its not

(http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/2889/biosbsw.th.jpg) (http://img651.imageshack.us/i/biosbsw.jpg/)

Uploaded with ImageShack.us (http://imageshack.us)


Dual restart at bott still anoying. No changes for me.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Bruticis on 26-January-11, 22:40:27
hmm seems like it is 1.8b7, that's what cpu-z says  :bonk:

You might want to clear your USB patch stick then rerun the patch tool and point to the new bios.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: bullus on 26-January-11, 22:55:37
Very strange then, I'd use the msi flash tool ,method 2

But no problem with the SAVE bug :bonk:
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: narciso on 26-January-11, 23:10:20
This bios killed my pc. I sucessfull updated the bios through usb dos drive. When i went to bios screen it froze within seconds. When I restarted the machine It no longer boots, I don't have any image.
I've tried clearing cmo but no dice, still can´t boot. Any solutions?
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Froggy Gremlin on 26-January-11, 23:22:47
Quote
I've tried clearing cmo but no dice, still can´t boot. Any solutions?
BIOS LED blank, slow flash, solid? Something may be in this pdf Jack linked; Reply #5, https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=145084.0
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: narciso on 26-January-11, 23:25:23
Bios lights are off.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Mike on 26-January-11, 23:46:59
Here's the larger of the thumbnail in Klaata's post.

(http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/2889/biosbsw.jpg)
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Froggy Gremlin on 26-January-11, 23:52:42
Quote
Dual restart at bott
Have you disabled EUP 2013? That should cure that.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: narciso on 27-January-11, 00:01:24
Any sugestions about my problem. I'm without pc :(
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Bruticis on 27-January-11, 00:54:57
Finally got home and tried and it does indeed work!  Finally I can save my changes!  Thank you! 

*********************************
Mainboard:  P67A-GD65 (MS-7681)
PCB Version:  2.0
BIOS Version: V1.8BA (aka Version: V1.8B10)
BIOS Date:  1/24/2011
*********************************

Now, let's talk about that MEI issue :)  Should we start a new thread?
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Froggy Gremlin on 27-January-11, 01:11:09
Quote
Now, let's talk about that ME issue Should we start a new thread?
The ME is 'On Topic' now I believe. Maybe partly or in whole responsible for the 'No Save' issue. I also find it odd that the updates all show 1164, but Device Manager shows it as 1144. :think:

Added: And how does Intel's update driver 7.0.3.1184 fit into all this? Will check if they provided a change log on what it's supposed to improve.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Bruticis on 27-January-11, 01:12:41
The ME is 'ON Topic' now I believe. Maybe partly or in whole responsible for the 'No Save' issue.
I agree with you, it has to be something with the ME.  I can't even install it using the software on the MSI site.

EDIT: Is there a way to verify what version I have?
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: kuziu on 27-January-11, 01:18:43
if u you still have a large vdroop? not depending on the version of bios?

1.8B10 was supposed to eliminate, and I have still the same problem of over-the bios 0.05V
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Froggy Gremlin on 27-January-11, 01:28:47
if u you still have a large vdroop? not depending on the version of bios?

1.8B10 was supposed to eliminate, and I have still the same problem of over-the bios 0.05V
A bit off topic here, but keep sending MSI Tech Support a ticket about it. My exemplar is around 0.027 or so depending on the OC.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: narciso on 27-January-11, 01:35:12
My system won´t boot even after clearing the cmos. How can I recover my bios. It´s not using the second bios because the board assumes the first bios is fine. Is there a way to force it to second bios?
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Froggy Gremlin on 27-January-11, 05:18:58
@ Bruticis Yes. 'Start' - 'Control Panel' - 'Device Manager' - 'System Devices' - 'Intel Management Engine Interface' - Right Click 'Properties' - 'Driver'.

@ narciso The best information on this is in the downloadable manual for the board at the MSI Website. That version of manual is far more comprehensive than the International/Europe Manual. Also, the post Jack made with the pdf link concerning the dual BIOS is in his Reply #5 in this thread; https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=145084.0

Added: Food for thought. Maybe Intel delivered a batch of parts to MSI manufacturing that didn't have the firmware installed? This flaw might not have shown up in MSI's pre-ship tests? That might explain the random nature of this as well. :think:
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Henry on 27-January-11, 05:26:11
narciso, start your own topic instead of hi-jacking this one with your problems.

    >> Please read and comply with the Forum Rules << (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=64858.0)

    >> Posting Guide << (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=38822.0)
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: klataa on 27-January-11, 07:16:05
A bit off topic here, but keep sending MSI Tech Support a ticket about it. My exemplar is around 0.027 or so depending on the OC.

U r wrong my friend about MSI. After i wrote quite specific what is my problem (dual bott, problem with multi higher than 52, and couple more) thats what i got from MSI:

"Dear Sir/Madam,
Thanks for contacting MSI Technical Support Team!

Regarding to your concern, please contact your reseller (the place you bought the board from) for direct check. If the reseller for some reason cannot help, please check if there is MSI distributors nearby. you could find there address or website on this link. http://www.msi.com/service/wheretobuy/
If by chance , there is no MSI distributors, you can try to contact MSI office nearby. http://www.msi.com/about/contact-us/ for more help。

Thanks & regards,
MSI Technical Support Team!

Posted: Jan 27, 2011 by MSI"


A "copy paste" replay from them.............. THX but i wont write any more to support tem..
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: klataa on 27-January-11, 07:20:54
Have you disabled EUP 2013? That should cure that.

I just did and still computer is botting twice. Its definitely Memory/BIOS issue with G-skill mems , cause i didnt had those problems on Corsair mems.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Froggy Gremlin on 27-January-11, 08:00:06
Quote
klataa Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
« Reply #337 on: Today at 07:20:54 » Quote 

Quote from: HU16E on 26 January 11, 23:52:42
Have you disabled EUP 2013? That should cure that.
I just did and still computer is botting twice. Its definitely Memory/BIOS issue with G-skill mems  , cause i didnt had those problems on Corsair mems.

klataa, I don't know what your problem is, but start your own thread please! And don't even try to tell me that disabling EUP 2013 doesn't stop a double boot behavior! It stopped it on my Big Bang X, Eclipse Plus, & on this P67A-GD65! And with a little checking, you would know that some of the 2600k's are multi limited at 52. Check the net!

(http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k432/HU16E/P67/CPULockedMod.jpg)

Quote
cause i didnt had those problems on Corsair mems.
 Well then use Corsairs. :idea:  
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Svet on 27-January-11, 09:34:46
hmm seems like it is 1.8b7, that's what cpu-z says  :bonk:

Check in BIOS Setup, what BIOS version is shown there.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: klataa on 27-January-11, 10:06:40

klataa, I don't know what your problem is, but start your own thread please! And don't even try to tell me that disabling EUP 2013 doesn't stop a double boot behavior! It stopped it on my Big Bang X, Eclipse Plus, & on this P67A-GD65! And with a little checking, you would know that some of the 2600k's are multi limited at 52. Check the net!

(http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k432/HU16E/P67/CPULockedMod.jpg)
 Well then use Corsairs. :idea:  

Omg. If u dont know what my problem is then why u wrote anything?
On my 1600mhz corsairs i can bott at 54-55 so the problem is with g-skills and bios thats all!! Cause after making BCKL to 98 i dont have any dual boot. Still is anoying that i cant run normally 100BCLK and native mems speed.

ALSO i have disabled EUP 2013 and still i have dual boot. U r saying that im a liar? Why would i lie?




Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: bullus on 27-January-11, 10:12:42
Check in BIOS Setup, what BIOS version is shown there.


Also 1.8b7 ..but it's working now no problem, maybe if I flash again with 1.8b10 it will hang again. I just stick with 1.8b7 ;)
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Svet on 27-January-11, 10:14:00
Also 1.8b7 ..but it's working now no problem, maybe if I flash again with 1.8b10 it will hang again. I just stick with 1.8b7 ;)

When you prepared the stick,
after that have you booted from USB to flash the BIOS.
Have you done it?
If yes:
Did you pickup Option N2: "Proceed with Update"
and not Option N3: "Flash back to prevision BIOS" ? by accident/error?

And did you see the flashing process?
Also what was your USB drive letter when you prepare the stick within windows?
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Svet on 27-January-11, 12:32:12
Here are more images that will:

18A_ME1164_MSIHQ_Tool.rar [2 in 1] ==> https://forum-en.msi.com/moderator/pics/svet/18A_ME1164_MSIHQ_Tool.rar
{ This will flash latest BIOS V1.8B10 + Latest Intel's ME 1164 at once }

Can be used for those who didn't flashed their Intel ME yet to the latest version.
Or for those who isn't sure what ME version they has.
E.g. this will flash both of them to the latest version.[BIOS & Intel ME firmwares]
[E7681IMS.18A+ME1164.BIN]
The Image is for MSIHQ Tool only.[It will not works[not compatible] with SOP.doc MSI's instructions]
>>MSI HQ Forum USB flasher<< (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=116721.0)
It can be done with MSIHQ Tool , by using Mode 1 [Point to BIOS archive file .zip, .rar]
}




ME1164_MSIHQ_Tool.rar ==> https://forum-en.msi.com/moderator/pics/svet/ME1164_MSIHQ_Tool.rar
{
This will flash Intel's ME firmware only to the latest version 1164,
with regardless of BIOS version used.
It can be used for those who don't want to change/flash their BIOS version [or to re-flash the same BIOS version],
but want[its highly recommended for those who isn't done it yet] to flash to the latest Intel's ME 1164 firmware.

The Image is for MSIHQ Tool and also can be used for manual installation with SOP.doc MSI's instructions [by booting from bootable USB key and executing flash.bat]
For extra security and full automatic ==> >>MSI HQ Forum USB flasher<< (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=116721.0)
It can be done with MSIHQ Tool , by using Mode 1 [Point to BIOS archive file .zip, .rar]
}

About BIOS flashing only to the latest BIOS version [E7681IMS.18A],
Ruudt's  :hat tip: post: https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=144484.msg1080605#msg1080605
or
Jack's  :hat tip: post: https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=144655.msg1080800#msg1080800

It can be done with MSIHQ Tool like usual, by using Mode 2 [Point to BIOS file directly], e.g. E7681IMS.18A
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Froggy Gremlin on 27-January-11, 13:04:01
Quote
If u dont know what my problem is then why u wrote anything?
PM sent. Your double boot is unrelated to the double boot EUP 2013 behavior. Again, please start your own thread with your problems that are not related to this thread. :-))
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: uchulele on 27-January-11, 14:08:47
Updated to 1.8b10 and saving is indeed working  8-)). Thx to uploader! I am waiting for new issues to show up  :-P)
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Bruticis on 27-January-11, 14:40:11
ME1164_MSIHQ_Tool.rar[/color] ==> https://forum-en.msi.com/moderator/pics/svet/ME1164_MSIHQ_Tool.rar
This will flash Intel's ME firmware only to the latest version 1164,
with regardless of BIOS version used.
It can be used for those who don't want to change/flash their BIOS version [or to re-flash the same BIOS version],
but want[its highly recommended for those who isn't done it yet] to flash to the latest Intel's ME 1164 firmware.

Thank you Svet for summing it all up and making it easier.  I'll try this tonight and see if it work's or if I get an error similar to the screenshot the MSI support rep had.  Has anyone tried this yet that had the save or MEI issues?
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Astennu on 27-January-11, 15:37:16
Here are more images that will:

18A_ME1164_MSIHQ_Tool.rar [2 in 1] ==> https://forum-en.msi.com/moderator/pics/svet/18A_ME1164_MSIHQ_Tool.rar
{ This will flash latest BIOS V1.8B10 + Latest Intel's ME 1164 at once }

Can be used for those who didn't flashed their Intel ME yet to the latest version.
Or for those who isn't sure what ME version they has.
E.g. this will flash both of them to the latest version.[BIOS & Intel ME firmwares]
[E7681IMS.18A+ME1164.BIN]
The Image is for MSIHQ Tool only.[It will not works[not compatible] with SOP.doc MSI's instructions]
>>MSI HQ Forum USB flasher<< (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=116721.0)
It can be done with MSIHQ Tool , by using Mode 1 [Point to BIOS archive file .zip, .rar]
}




ME1164_MSIHQ_Tool.rar ==> https://forum-en.msi.com/moderator/pics/svet/ME1164_MSIHQ_Tool.rar
{
This will flash Intel's ME firmware only to the latest version 1164,
with regardless of BIOS version used.
It can be used for those who don't want to change/flash their BIOS version [or to re-flash the same BIOS version],
but want[its highly recommended for those who isn't done it yet] to flash to the latest Intel's ME 1164 firmware.

The Image is for MSIHQ Tool and also can be used for manual installation with SOP.doc MSI's instructions [by booting from bootable USB key and executing flash.bat]
For extra security and full automatic ==> >>MSI HQ Forum USB flasher<< (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=116721.0)
It can be done with MSIHQ Tool , by using Mode 1 [Point to BIOS archive file .zip, .rar]
}

About BIOS flashing only to the latest BIOS version [E7681IMS.18A],
Ruudt's  :hat tip: post: https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=144484.msg1080605#msg1080605
or
Jack's  :hat tip: post: https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=144655.msg1080800#msg1080800

It can be done with MSIHQ Tool like usual, by using Mode 2 [Point to BIOS file directly], e.g. E7681IMS.18A

I have a board that came with 1.4 bios stock. I'm on 187 now but it there a reason for me to update the ME1164?
Maybe better overclocking? I do have multipler controll in windows.

CPU status shows my 2600K is locked so i guess i have a max 52x muli but i dont care about that. My cpu can only do 4.8 at 1.4 atm. I dont wanna go higher on the v-core. So i dont think i will ever hit the 5.2 :P
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Svet on 27-January-11, 15:40:58
I have a board that came with 1.4 bios stock. I'm on 187 now but it there a reason for me to update the ME1164?
Maybe better overclocking? I do have multipler controll in windows.

CPU status shows my 2600K is locked so i guess i have a max 52x muli but i dont care about that. My cpu can only do 4.8 at 1.4 atm. I dont wanna go higher on the v-core. So i dont think i will ever hit the 5.2 :P

Quote
I have a board that came with 1.4 bios stock. I'm on 187 now but it there a reason for me to update the ME1164?

Yes, you should update it.
As Ruudt already explained as well:
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=144484.msg1080546#msg1080546
Title: New 1.8B10 Bios
Post by: wastelcat on 27-January-11, 15:48:46
Hello,

just a little update - as i was sooo happy yesterday evening that the savefreeze was solved - not anymore now.

System crashed 4 times since then, BSOD with very diffrent Stops - this is far worse than with Bios 1.4.

Anyone else having this behaviour - or all happy ?

Cheers

Wastelcat
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Astennu on 27-January-11, 15:53:41
Yes, you should update it.
As Ruudt already explained as well:
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=144484.msg1080546#msg1080546

Thanks for the reply but that post does not say what the update changes. It was posted as a possible solution for the save issue. But i dont have that issue. So i'm wondering what could be gained by updating. Else it might be a extra risk. Every flash has a risk of going wrong. even if its small there still is a risk.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Svet on 27-January-11, 16:01:22
Thanks for the reply but that post does not say what the update changes. It was posted as a possible solution for the save issue. But i dont have that issue. So i'm wondering what could be gained by updating. Else it might be a extra risk. Every flash has a risk of going wrong. even if its small there still is a risk.

The new BIOSes above 1.6 [e.g. 1.7 and any later] may not works property if this update is not applied.
It's similar like in notebooks, EC-FW update and BIOS Update.
There is relation ship between the EC-FW and the BIOS,
the same is here too,
there is relation ship between Intel's ME and the BIOS.
Each Intel's ME version cover the specified BIOS-es version region/range.
ME updates is not always required,
but when its required and vendor say such they should be applied in all cases.
Since Intel & MSI provide such it should be applied in all cases.
[Older BIOSes can works with newest/latest Intel's ME,
but newer BIOSes requires latest Intel's ME],
In short if the ME isn't updated,
the newest BIOSes will not works properly or with side effects.
The Intel's ME update is not optional, it should be applied in all cases.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: DaLoona on 27-January-11, 16:06:45

And with a little checking, you would know that some of the 2600k's are multi limited at 52. Check the net!

Thought it was a board problem and not a cpu one  :think:.
Some manufacturers are even lower,  they wont let you multi beyond 47/48 and some let you go to 75 or higher, I believe, according to this that is:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/p67-motherboard-roundup-lga-1155-sandy-bridge,2837-29.html

 :hat tip:
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Astennu on 27-January-11, 16:11:48
The new BIOSes above 1.6 [e.g. 1.7 and any later] may not works property if this update is not applied.
It's similar like in notebooks, EC-FW update and BIOS Update.
There is relation ship between the EC-FW and the BIOS,
the same is here too,
there is relation ship between Intel's ME and the BIOS.
Each Intel's ME version cover the specified BIOS-es version region/range.
ME updates is not always required,
but when its required and vendor say such they should be applied in all cases.
Since Intel & MSI provide such it should be applied in all cases.
[Older BIOSes can works with newest/latest Intel's ME,
but newer BIOSes requires latest Intel's ME],
In short if the ME isn't updated,
the newest BIOSes will not works properly or with side effects.
The Intel's ME update is not optional, it should be applied in all cases.


Thanks. This was the answer is was looking for! i will update mine tonight :) (including 18b10)
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: wrevilo on 27-January-11, 16:57:29
I'm running 1.8b7 and IME 7.0.3.1184 without any saving issues so far.  Only thing is that CPU speed seems to be reported as 6.1Ghz in the OC section of the BIOS

http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&DwnldID=19691&ProdId=3273&lang=eng (http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&DwnldID=19691&ProdId=3273&lang=eng)
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: bullus on 27-January-11, 17:07:14
When you prepared the stick,
after that have you booted from USB to flash the BIOS.
Have you done it?
If yes:
Did you pickup Option N2: "Proceed with Update"
and not Option N3: "Flash back to prevision BIOS" ? by accident/error?

And did you see the flashing process?
Also what was your USB drive letter when you prepare the stick within windows?

yes I did N2, but when it was finished (bios + IME) u get a option to reboot or not, I'd choose the second and just turn off the mobo with the power button.
I thought I did a clearcmos, but somehow I didn't show the screen it was cleared "press F1 to run setup, or F2 to load default and continue"

Drive letter in windows was I:\

It can also be that I used the wrong usb stick, cause I made a new usb stick for flashing in DOS and one with msi flash tool.Think that was the problem and used the wrong usbstick :bonk:

I now have latest IME(1164) flashed with 1.8b7.


Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Svet on 27-January-11, 17:35:58
yes I did N2, but when it was finished (bios + IME) u get a option to reboot or not, I'd choose the second and just turn off the mobo with the power button.
I thought I did a clearcmos, but somehow I didn't show the screen it was cleared "press F1 to run setup, or F2 to load default and continue"

Drive letter in windows was I:\

It can also be that I used the wrong usb stick, cause I made a new usb stick for flashing in DOS and one with msi flash tool.Think that was the problem and used the wrong usbstick :bonk:

I now have latest IME(1164) flashed with 1.8b7.

Quote
yes I did N2, but when it was finished (bios + IME) u get a option to reboot or not, I'd choose the second and just turn off the mobo with the power button.

Are you talking when you used Mode 2, or BIOS+ME?[if yes which one, and is it the one that you can't flash or?]
Because you tell that you used Mode2 with single file, now you are telling different [bios+ime]?
which one you flashed or cannot flash? :bonk:

Quote
u get a option to reboot or not, I'd choose the second and just turn off the mobo with the power button.

You didn't answer have you seen the flashing process?
Also clarify for which case you're talking exactly.

Quote
Drive letter in windows was I:\

Ok, i've repeated your steps and can't find any issue
Are you running 32bit or 64bit OS?

Quote
I thought I did a clearcmos, but somehow I didn't show the screen it was cleared "press F1 to run setup, or F2 to load default and continue"

looks like you forgot to remove the power cord from the PSU 1st,
e.g. you've done nothing.[clear cmos has no effect]

Quote
It can also be that I used the wrong usb stick, cause I made a new usb stick for flashing in DOS and one with msi flash tool.Think that was the problem and used the wrong usbstick :bonk:

mm how's that? what do you mean? you prepared something, but then boot from something else?
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: bullus on 27-January-11, 19:06:05
U also driving me nuts now...

Seems like on both sticks I have 1.8b6 (see screen)1 of them I flashed it.
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j274/bul_photos/2600K/th_msiusb.jpg) (http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j274/bul_photos/2600K/msiusb.jpg)

left with the msi usb flash tool, right with bootable usb

Question; If u use the msi flash tool and choose another biosfile or zip, will it overwrite the previous biosfile?

If u don't clearcmos, will it not see the right bios?
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: bullus on 27-January-11, 19:12:42
Are you talking when you used Mode 2, or BIOS+ME?[if yes which one, and is it the one that you can't flash or?]
Because you tell that you used Mode2 with single file, now you are telling different [bios+ime]?
which one you flashed or cannot flash? :bonk:
both were fine, first with IME, but I'd had the save bug, after that I flashed with mode 2.
Quote
You didn't answer have you seen the flashing process?
Also clarify for which case you're talking exactly.[/color]
I have seen the flashing
Quote
Ok, i've repeated your steps and can't find any issue
Are you running 32bit or 64bit OS?
64bit

Quote
mm how's that? what do you mean? you prepared something, but then boot from something else?
kind of

Sorry for it
Earlier I'd also flash 1.8b7, but when I look the bios version I saw 1.4.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=4719618&postcount=52
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Svet on 27-January-11, 19:24:33
both were fine, first with IME, but I'd had the save bug, after that I flashed with mode 2.I have seen the flashing64bit
kind of

oks


U also driving me nuts now...

Seems like on both sticks I have 1.8b6 (see screen)1 of them I flashed it.
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j274/bul_photos/2600K/th_msiusb.jpg) (http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j274/bul_photos/2600K/msiusb.jpg)

left with the msi usb flash tool, right with bootable usb

Question; If u use the msi flash tool and choose another biosfile or zip, will it overwrite the previous biosfile?

If u don't clearcmos, will it not see the right bios?

Quote
Question; If u use the msi flash tool and choose another biosfile or zip, will it overwrite the previous biosfile?

Yes, it should, it perform clean up 1st, over the target stick, without the mattter of previosn kind of flashing,
but keep the previons backup created, and keep any other user's data which may exist on the stick, not related to flashing

Can you upload your bios.bin file from your K:\ drive for inspection?
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Svet on 27-January-11, 19:29:13
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j274/bul_photos/2600K/msiusb.jpg)

Also from K:\ [left pane on screenshot] based on screenshot i can tell:

You was running BIOS version: E7681IMS.186 , which tool auto save it with original name,
before perform the flash to....? [upload BIOS.BIN to tell to what], and you was running Memtest x86 before proceed [Memtest execution wasn't ignored]

From right pane on the screenshot i see prepared 186+ME ready for flashing.[probably you flashed 1.186+ME from this stick],
then you flashed to new BIOS[version still unknown], from the second stick where the Tool auto save current running BIOS to: E7681IMS.186,
before flash to the new one. Based on CPU-Z screenshot seems version 1.87,
Looks like to me that you pointed[give/load] the Tool with E7681IMS.187 instead of E7681IMS.18A
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Svet on 27-January-11, 20:02:54
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j274/bul_photos/2600K/msiusb.jpg)

Also from K:\ [left pane on screenshot] based on screenshot i can tell:

You was running BIOS version: E7681IMS.186 , which tool auto save it with original name,
before perform the flash to....? [upload BIOS.BIN to tell to what], and you was running Memtest x86 before proceed [Memtest execution wasn't ignored]

From right pane on the screenshot i see prepared 186+ME ready for flashing.[probably you flashed 1.186+ME from this stick],
then you flashed to new BIOS[version still unknown], from the second stick where the Tool auto save current running BIOS to: E7681IMS.186,
before flash to the new one. Based on CPU-Z screenshot seems version 1.87,
Looks like to me that you pointed[give/load] the Tool with E7681IMS.187 instead of E7681IMS.18A


Also the right panel, Drive I:\
this isn't prepared by the Tool, but manually with MSI's files inside.

And seems the ME updater give you an error..
open the ERROR.TXT from the stick to found more about it.
Is it?
"Error 8193: Intel (R) ME Interface : Cannot locate ME device driver"
Or not supported OS[if you try to run it under windows]
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Mike on 27-January-11, 20:09:54
Kataa, start your own thread.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: bullus on 27-January-11, 20:10:20
Ok ,it's clear now, but how to upload bios.bin?

also the error on I: shows Error 8193: Intel (R) ME Interface : Cannot locate ME device driver


Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Svet on 27-January-11, 20:12:32
Ok ,it's clear now, but how to upload bios.bin?



You can e-mail BIOS.BIN to me, check PM for details.
Else host/upload it somewhere, over the net and give the link to it
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: bullus on 27-January-11, 20:39:47
ok send u the link for the bios.bin
Also 1 thing, I broke memtest with escape (didn't complete the run), after that I just flash it.

I shall flash only bios 1.8b10 with the flash tool and see what happens with the bios version>will wait a moment ;D
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Glouglou14 on 27-January-11, 21:38:20
Here are more images that will:

18A_ME1164_MSIHQ_Tool.rar [2 in 1] ==> https://forum-en.msi.com/moderator/pics/svet/18A_ME1164_MSIHQ_Tool.rar
{ This will flash latest BIOS V1.8B10 + Latest Intel's ME 1164 at once }

Can be used for those who didn't flashed their Intel ME yet to the latest version.
Or for those who isn't sure what ME version they has.
E.g. this will flash both of them to the latest version.[BIOS & Intel ME firmwares]
[E7681IMS.18A+ME1164.BIN]
The Image is for MSIHQ Tool only.[It will not works[not compatible] with SOP.doc MSI's instructions]
>>MSI HQ Forum USB flasher<< (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=116721.0)
It can be done with MSIHQ Tool , by using Mode 1 [Point to BIOS archive file .zip, .rar]
}




ME1164_MSIHQ_Tool.rar ==> https://forum-en.msi.com/moderator/pics/svet/ME1164_MSIHQ_Tool.rar
{
This will flash Intel's ME firmware only to the latest version 1164,
with regardless of BIOS version used.
It can be used for those who don't want to change/flash their BIOS version [or to re-flash the same BIOS version],
but want[its highly recommended for those who isn't done it yet] to flash to the latest Intel's ME 1164 firmware.

The Image is for MSIHQ Tool and also can be used for manual installation with SOP.doc MSI's instructions [by booting from bootable USB key and executing flash.bat]
For extra security and full automatic ==> >>MSI HQ Forum USB flasher<< (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=116721.0)
It can be done with MSIHQ Tool , by using Mode 1 [Point to BIOS archive file .zip, .rar]
}

About BIOS flashing only to the latest BIOS version [E7681IMS.18A],
Ruudt's  :hat tip: post: https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=144484.msg1080605#msg1080605
or
Jack's  :hat tip: post: https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=144655.msg1080800#msg1080800

It can be done with MSIHQ Tool like usual, by using Mode 2 [Point to BIOS file directly], e.g. E7681IMS.18A


Flashed from 1.8b7 to 1.8b10. It Fixed the Save&Exit freeze issue! Thanks a lot!!  :biggthumbsup: :biggthumbsup: I haven't tested OC yet...

However, I still can't update ME...
ERROR.LOG: Error 8193: Intel (R) ME Interface : Cannot locate ME device driver
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: flopper on 27-January-11, 21:57:18
Beta bios b8.10 broke ssd raid array boot.
OC made the array to fail boot.
beta b8.6 works.
lost 3 days of work with that flash.
backup next time-.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: roki977 on 27-January-11, 21:58:54
My 2600k is locked in bios, CPU info but multi is not locked an I can boot with 53x98 with no problems. So I think that there is no 2600k blck limit, maybe on motherboard but not on CPU. Antother thing is how good CPU is and what multi can it use.
Never had f10 problem, flashed new bios today and so far so good.Dindt OCed yet, max on 7 bios was 5290 anything higher wont bot , even 0.1blck, mo mather what voltage.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Froggy Gremlin on 27-January-11, 22:57:23
Quote
My 2600k is locked in bios
roki977, this post of yours has nothing to do with not saving settings in BIOS & ME related issues. Please start a new thread if you wish to post & discuss off topic subjects. 
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Bruticis on 28-January-11, 01:09:19
No luck for me either, I get the same error, "Error 8193: Intel (R) ME Interface : Cannot locate ME device drive".  Also, shouldn't I see Intel ME under my system devices in hardware manager (I don't)?
(http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/4944/captureay.png)
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Froggy Gremlin on 28-January-11, 02:32:04
Yes Bruticis, should be right after 'Intel(R) Express Chipset Family'.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Bruticis on 28-January-11, 02:54:05
Yes Bruticis, should be right after 'Intel(R) Express Chipset Family'.
That's what I was afraid of.  It seems to be completely missing from my system (and I suspect everyone else that had the save freeze).

EDIT: MSI support asked me to run meup -fwver (which checks the current firmware version of the ME installed) from my boot stick.  When I run it, a long series of ...... appear on the screen, after a few minutes, it returns the same error, "Error 8193: Intel (R) ME Interface: Cannot locate ME device driver"

It really looks like either my board somehow never had the ME firmware installed on it or it was erased/damaged when I did my very first CMOS clear (see my earlier posts).  I think it's pretty clear this is the root of the problem for this issue.  Now the question is, can it be fixed without an RMA?
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: PaulWendt on 28-January-11, 03:29:16
Yes, for what it's worth, I also am missing this from my Device Manager.  It's probably a defective unit, whether by hardware or software, I do not know.  I wish MSI had been able to figure out what's going on a bit more quickly [in fact, none of them have been able to figure this out; it seems to be the community that had to figure out what's going on].
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Froggy Gremlin on 28-January-11, 04:03:41
Wonder if it is possible on my theory about the component from Intel being delivered to manufacturing without the firmware. After board assembly & ready to ship, it may not have shown up on the pre-ship tests? It is giving MSI a little benefit of the doubt in all this, but that could explain what has happened. A bad batch of components & the random way the issue is turning up. :undecided: 

(http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k432/HU16E/P67/MEEngine.jpg)

Added: As a side note, for some reason, Intel's Management Engine driver 7.0.3.1184 doesn't appear as loaded, but when trying to install it again, it tells it 'has' been loaded. What's up with that? Maybe we need to bark up Intel's tree? :think:
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: marilynman on 28-January-11, 09:52:33
i have used all bios available, and for my only the 1.4 and the new V1.8B10 works when i save!
I have the same problem for Intel Management Engine Interface in all bios

(http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/1635/semttulomjw.jpg) (http://img710.imageshack.us/i/semttulomjw.jpg/)

Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: pepe123 on 28-January-11, 09:54:24
Wonder if it is possible on my theory about the component from Intel being delivered to manufacturing without the firmware. After board assembly & ready to ship, it may not have shown up on the pre-ship tests? It is giving MSI a little benefit of the doubt in all this, but that could explain what has happened. A bad batch of components & the random way the issue is turning up. :undecided: 

I bet this is the problem but it'll be nice if MSI admits that it's a hardware issue not just some bios bug. Free RMA for the affected customers should fix it.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: DerBert on 28-January-11, 11:39:43
Same symptoms here. Checking the installed ME version (via meup -fwver) takes 4:20min and results in: Error 8193: Intel (R) ME Interface: Cannot locate ME device driver.
If I try to update to 1164 it takes much less time, but the result is the same: Error 8193: Intel (R) ME Interface: Cannot locate ME device driver.
And last, but not least: my Device Manager knows nothing of an Intel Management Engine.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: wastelcat on 28-January-11, 12:49:46
Hello,

i can report same error as Marilynman, Bios 1.8B10 flashes well - no save freeze, MEI flashes sucessfully but then in Deviceman its not startable.

Cheers

Wastelcat
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Svet on 28-January-11, 14:02:11
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j274/bul_photos/2600K/msiusb.jpg)

Also from K:\ [left pane on screenshot] based on screenshot i can tell:

You was running BIOS version: E7681IMS.186 , which tool auto save it with original name,
before perform the flash to....? [upload BIOS.BIN to tell to what], and you was running Memtest x86 before proceed [Memtest execution wasn't ignored]

From right pane on the screenshot i see prepared 186+ME ready for flashing.[probably you flashed 1.186+ME from this stick],
then you flashed to new BIOS[version still unknown], from the second stick where the Tool auto save current running BIOS to: E7681IMS.186,
before flash to the new one. Based on CPU-Z screenshot seems version 1.87,
Looks like to me that you pointed[give/load] the Tool with E7681IMS.187 instead of E7681IMS.18A


Ok, it took a while cause windows was corrupt and needed startup repair.

But the flash went well and the version now is 1.8b10 :) :biggthumbsup:

 :biggthumbsup:



Flashed from 1.8b7 to 1.8b10. It Fixed the Save&Exit freeze issue! Thanks a lot!!  :biggthumbsup: :biggthumbsup: I haven't tested OC yet...


 :biggthumbsup:
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Bruticis on 28-January-11, 14:23:24
So there appears to be two separate Intel ME scenarios.  Some are able to flash the Intel ME and it shows in device manager but listed as not working properly.  And some of us seem to not have the Intel ME at all, it's not in device manager and we can't flash it.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: DerBert on 28-January-11, 14:31:04
Thing is, I'm sure it was listed as not working properly in device manager before, but I can't say when it disappeared. Maybe after the first attempt to update the ME firmware - which went fine - maybe after flashing 1.8B10. Now it doesn't show up in device manager and I can't update the ME firmware. Doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Bruticis on 28-January-11, 14:35:08
Thing is, I'm sure it was listed as not working properly in device manager before, but I can't say when it disappeared. Maybe after the first attempt to update the ME - which went fine - maybe after flashing 1.8B10. Now it doesn't show up in device manager and I can't update the ME firmware. Doesn't make sense.
It never worked for me.  I remember the first thing I did after installing windows was install all the drivers, including the ME from MSI's website (and the driver CD).  I got the system does not meet the requirements error.  I brushed it off at the time as I was having the bios save issue.  So either my board never had it or it somehow become corrupt when I cleared the CMOS for the first time.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: wastelcat on 28-January-11, 14:45:47
Hi again,

to keep things updated:

After next reboot its same here as for DerBert, MEI disappeared from Deviceman.

Now i booted from stick to check with Meup -fwver and itsays: Me1164 flashed but then the errorcode all others have as well.

Cheers

Wastelcat
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Svet on 28-January-11, 14:48:10
@wastelcat

Can you reflash the ME to the same 1164 without errors?
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: wastelcat on 28-January-11, 16:04:56
@Svet,

will try as soon i can afford shutting down here.

Only have batches todo that including Bios, but this i dont want to risk again, so please tell me if these batches will do the ME Up alone:

meup.bat = CALL F.BAT ME1164.BIN
f.bat = MEUP -ALLOWSV -F %2

TiA

Wastelcat
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Svet on 28-January-11, 16:08:22
@Svet,

will try as soon i can afford shutting down here.

Only have batches todo that including Bios, but this i dont want to risk again, so please tell me if these batches will do the ME Up alone:

meup.bat = CALL F.BAT ME1164.BIN
f.bat = MEUP -ALLOWSV -F %2

TiA

Wastelcat

To flash/reflash the ME:
MEUP -ALLOWSV -F ME1164.BIN [ENTER]

Or just run "flash.bat" from this archive: https://forum-en.msi.com/moderator/pics/svet/ME1164_MSIHQ_Tool.rar
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: bullus on 28-January-11, 16:09:12
flash went fine with bios v1.8b10 + intel ME 1164, also in windows is ok
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j274/bul_photos/intelme.jpg)

first time I flash it with the msi flash tool with IME I got an error;device not found.
Second flash with bat.file method went sucessfully. (but it isn't? see post below)

Also I updated the version in windows
http://us.msi.com/mb/html/P67A-C45_Driver.html
but shows v1144

clickable
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j274/bul_photos/th_intelme.jpg) (http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j274/bul_photos/intelme.jpg)

@Svet

MSIHQ: Information detected by MSIHQ Tool ver: 1.19e5
MSIHQ: Report generated in vr 28-01-2011 at 16:09:18,97
*********************************
Mainboard:  P67A-GD65 (MS-7681)
PCB Version:  2.0
BIOS Version: V1.8BA (aka Version: V1.8B10)
BIOS Date:  24-1-2011
*********************************

Let's test if the bios is stable for >5ghz :)
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Svet on 28-January-11, 16:20:08
@bullus

Quote
Second flash with bat.file method went sucessfully.

which one? it should makes no difference.

If you use MSI's .bat you will not able to see the error if ME produces the error...
"although the message only stays on screen for half a second"
then will tell that was successfully..., while actually its not.


Quote
{ bla bla bla
.......
.......
.......

}

:END
CLS
ECHO.
ECHO.
ECHO.
ECHO BIOS & ME update completed.


While if you use MSIHQ Tool,
if ME produce an error you will able to see it

Quote
but shows v1144

sound normal as probably ME update isn't applied.
E.g. you are still using the old version.

Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: bullus on 28-January-11, 16:29:51
I'd used the msi bat.file (i:\stick) and saw bios+me updated completed, but didn't saw an error. With msi flash tool I 'd saw the error not find device.

How can I know or see if the IME is updated with the flash, cause in windows u can update it with a driver. There are not the same I guess.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: DerBert on 28-January-11, 16:32:15
Following bullus's post I tried flashing the ME manually (MEUP -ALLOWSV -F ME1164.BIN, not the batch) from a DOS-USB-Bootstick, but it didn't make a difference. What is odd though, is that the flashing attempt took considerably longer than with the MSI HQ Tool - but the result is the same: Error 8193: Intel (R) ME Interface : Cannot locate ME device driver.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: wastelcat on 28-January-11, 16:33:20
@Svet

first: Thx for the fast advice :)

Just tried to flash and NO it wont - Error 8193 - Intel (R) ME Interface - Cannot load ME device driver


Wastelcat
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Svet on 28-January-11, 16:36:34
I'd used the msi bat.file (i:\stick) and saw bios+me updated completed, but didn't saw an error. With msi flash tool I 'd saw the error not find device.

How can I know or see if the IME is updated with the flash, cause in windows u can update it with a driver. There are not the same I guess.


Quote
I'd used the msi bat.file (i:\stick) and saw bios+me updated completed, but didn't saw an error. With msi flash tool I 'd saw the error not find device.

that's what i've told you above, if you use msi.bat you will unable to see the error and will tell that's successful while its not.
Look for an error.txt file over the i:\stick that's MEUP log file created.. if an error comes it will recorded there.


Quote
How can I know or see if the IME is updated with the flash

Type manually:
Version check:
MEUP -FWVER [ENTER]

Flash ME:
MEUP -ALLOWSV -F ME1164.BIN [ENTER]
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: bullus on 28-January-11, 16:37:42
All I know is that the save bug is gone and it operates normal again, then we shouldn't be worried?or? JUST kidding  :angel:

edit;

Got an error as u said
Error 8193: Intel (R) ME Interface : Cannot locate ME device driver (i:\stick)
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Svet on 28-January-11, 16:56:16
Oki stop bother with Intel's ME anymore.
According to MSI 1.8A and further is special and will no care about the ME version.
So all that's need to flash to 1.8A and be happy
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: bullus on 28-January-11, 17:00:19
Ok, I flash with MEUP -ALLOWSV -F ME1164.BIN and it succesfully update :D :biggthumbsup:

version before 7.0.1.1141 using MEUP -FWVER
version after 7.0.2.1164

But tried to update it in windows but it still shows 1144 ?
using this file
http://us.msi.com/mb/html/P67A-C45_Driver.html
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Svet on 28-January-11, 17:07:05
i have used all bios available, and for my only the 1.4 and the new V1.8B10 works when i save!
I have the same problem for Intel Management Engine Interface in all bios

(http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/1635/semttulomjw.jpg) (http://img710.imageshack.us/i/semttulomjw.jpg/)



Select the ME and removed it,
then reboot machine
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Bruticis on 28-January-11, 17:22:30
Oki stop bother with Intel's ME anymore.
According to MSI 1.8A and further is special and will no care about the ME version.
So all that's need to flash to 1.8A and be happy
I assume you mean for the ones that have it showing in device manager but had it not working properly.  For myself and some others who don't have it all, it's still an issue that must be fixed.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: bullus on 28-January-11, 18:00:51
The new BIOSes above 1.6 [e.g. 1.7 and any later] may not works property if this update is not applied.
It's similar like in notebooks, EC-FW update and BIOS Update.
There is relation ship between the EC-FW and the BIOS,
the same is here too,
there is relation ship between Intel's ME and the BIOS.
Each Intel's ME version cover the specified BIOS-es version region/range.
ME updates is not always required,
but when its required and vendor say such they should be applied in all cases.
Since Intel & MSI provide such it should be applied in all cases.
[Older BIOSes can works with newest/latest Intel's ME,
but newer BIOSes requires latest Intel's ME],
In short if the ME isn't updated,
the newest BIOSes will not works properly or with side effects.
The Intel's ME update is not optional, it should be applied in all cases.


Sorry ,I misread it was necessary and not an option.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: PaulWendt on 28-January-11, 18:21:42
I assume you mean for the ones that have it showing in device manager but had it not working properly.  For myself and some others who don't have it all, it's still an issue that must be fixed.
Yes, I would hope he meant that, too.  The Control Center program complains that the CPU multiplier cannot be changed due to missing MEI when it gets launched.  Additionally, the Intel MEI installer itself complains that the computer does not meet the prerequisites for installing them [I've tried to install the MEI drivers manually, but since the ME firmware can't be flashed, the software doesn't even see the hardware as being present].

This is a mess and the conflicting statements make it seem as if MSI doesn't know what is going on.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Svet on 28-January-11, 19:53:05
Sorry ,I misread it was necessary and not an option.

Yes, but latest news is that 1.8A{and maybe above} is special and exception from this
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: PaulWendt on 28-January-11, 20:03:38
I don't know where you're getting that information, Svet, but it's not true.  I have 1.8A and I do not have IME installed. I cannot install IME.  Furthermore, Control Center complains that I don't have IME installed and won't function properly.

I don't think the BIOS is fixing the problem.  I will concede that you guys addressed the 'save' issue, probably by ignoring errors when trying to save to the ME firmware.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Thierry14 on 28-January-11, 20:04:16
I get the 8193 error, but if I flash to 1.8A thats would not be a problem you mean??
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: marilynman on 28-January-11, 20:49:17
Select the ME and removed it,
then reboot machine

then what i do??
i cant undertand, Intel's ME is for what?
explain to me as if it were too dumb 
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: pepe123 on 28-January-11, 20:56:06
I don't think the BIOS is fixing the problem.  I will concede that you guys addressed the 'save' issue, probably by ignoring errors when trying to save to the ME firmware.

+1. RMA will fix it.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Froggy Gremlin on 28-January-11, 22:22:03
i cant undertand, Intel's ME is for what?
explain to me as if it were too dumb 
Recommend looking in Wikipedia; Intel Active Management Technology (Management Engine firmware modules), Google it, or go direct to Intel's Website & look it up. :-))

It's high time to put some pressure on Intel & ask why their 1184 driver update says it installs & it doesn't. Starting to wonder if this ME is even necessary or required for system operation to have installed at all. :undecided: For many, the main topic of 'Save' is still a concern. New BIOS seems to fix that issue. Hopefully the 'secondary' issues will be rectified in short order as well.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Bruticis on 28-January-11, 23:54:45
Support asked me to run MEUP -F ME1164.BIN from my patch stick and see if it works.  Sadly, of course, it didn't work.  I updated support but I think they are running out of ideas.  I'll keep updating what happens, I want to make sure our issue isn't brushed aside or forgotten since the save bug is fixed.
(http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/5135/nomeerror.jpg)
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Froggy Gremlin on 29-January-11, 00:24:47
Quote
Support asked me to run MEUP -F ME1164.BIN from my patch stick and see if it works.  Sadly, of course, it didn't work.  I updated support but I think they are running out of ideas.  I'll keep updating what happens, I want to make sure our issue isn't brushed aside or forgotten since the save bug is fixed.

Was hoping the MEI was something that we could just delete from the system without issue, but not so sure now. Here is an excerpt from tech support for a brand X regarding MEI;

Quote
check if Intel MEI from the support CD has been installed.  All controls related to CPU are now tighten to that thing, and it is a must under the Sandybridge platform regardless.

My next stop is Intel Website!

Added: Not a help to those that don't have it in their system, but a check for those that do (available at the Intel Download Center);

(http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k432/HU16E/P67/IntelMEIUtility.jpg)

2nd add: So much for that idea. Intel Utility just sits there & does nothing. :undecided:
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Bruticis on 29-January-11, 00:52:39
They asked me to try again using the -allowsv parameter but same results.
(http://img573.imageshack.us/img573/2346/meallowsverror.jpg)

EDIT:  Ok, looks like they've run out of ideas.  They are sending me a new motherboard (I used a credit card for deposit before any thinks they did it out of the kindness of their hearts :)).  I'll update when the new board comes in but as I said, I'll still have my old board until then so I can continue troubleshooting/testing if anyone gets any ideas.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Froggy Gremlin on 29-January-11, 01:56:59
Quote
Ok, looks like they've run out of ideas.  They are sending me a new motherboard (I used a credit card for deposit before any thinks they did it out of the kindness of their hearts ).  I'll update when the new board comes in but as I said, I'll still have my old board until then so I can continue troubleshooting/testing if anyone gets any ideas.
It needs to be confirmed if MEI is in fact 'essential' or not. If no way to get the firmware installed at the end user level, let alone a driver, then I would tend to think that makes the board impossible to function properly & should then be replaced with one that has confirmed firmware installed.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Bruticis on 29-January-11, 02:05:27
I found a post on the Intel forums (thanks to HU16E for the idea) in which a user was having problems.  The board inst an LGA1155 but his symptoms are similar.  His post stated this he was getting a "Failed getting version from FW" for the Intel ME.  Someone posted in response this, "From the error message that you're getting, I would say that the ME FW in you system has gotten corrupted. That's not supposed to happen, but sometimes it does. If it is corrupted, then you will have to send the system to service to get it repaired. There's no way for a customer to fix a corrupted ME FW on their own. Re-installing the drivers won't help."  They went on to say, "If the problem really is an issue with the ME FW, then the only way to fix the problem is to reflash the entire contents of the ME FW, which can only be done by a service technician. You need to collect the info that I suggested in order to really tell what the problem is."
Not really an answer for us but it seems like there are cases of corrupt Intel ME.

EDIT:  More comments from the thread I found:
Get on the web and download a copy of Read-Write Everything (http://www.mydigitallife.info/2009/07/30/rw-everything-utility-free-download-to-access-and-dump-computer-hardware-info/ (http://www.mydigitallife.info/2009/07/30/rw-everything-utility-free-download-to-access-and-dump-computer-hardware-info/)), or any tool that will allow you to read the PCI config registers.  Read the DWORD value from PCI bus 0, device 3, function 0, registers 0x43-0x40; this is the ME FW status register.  If we could figure out these values, we could compare good systems with bad systems and see if we find anything.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Froggy Gremlin on 29-January-11, 09:36:24
Quote
If we could figure out these values, we could compare good systems with bad systems and see if we find anything.
It would be of help if Intel had a Verification Utility that worked with P67. The one they have is for P/H55 & I tried it & it didn't work. Will try to rattle their cage & see if one is in the works. Even for those of us that do have the EMI firmware installed, it would be nice for us to know if it may be corrupted or not.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: marilynman on 29-January-11, 12:26:44
Recommend looking in Wikipedia; Intel Active Management Technology (Management Engine firmware modules), Google it, or go direct to Intel's Website & look it up. :-))

It's high time to put some pressure on Intel & ask why their 1184 driver update says it installs & it doesn't. Starting to wonder if this ME is even necessary or required for system operation to have installed at all. :undecided: For many, the main topic of 'Save' is still a concern. New BIOS seems to fix that issue. Hopefully the 'secondary' issues will be rectified in short order as well.

I have done what you say to me, and this is the result:

(http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/1391/semttuloky.jpg) (http://img691.imageshack.us/i/semttuloky.jpg/)

in english it something like this "pci simple communications controller"
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: bullus on 29-January-11, 13:43:55
I found a post on the Intel forums (thanks to HU16E for the idea) in which a user was having problems.  The board inst an LGA1155 but his symptoms are similar.  His post stated this he was getting a "Failed getting version from FW" for the Intel ME.  Someone posted in response this, "From the error message that you're getting, I would say that the ME FW in you system has gotten corrupted. That's not supposed to happen, but sometimes it does. If it is corrupted, then you will have to send the system to service to get it repaired. There's no way for a customer to fix a corrupted ME FW on their own. Re-installing the drivers won't help."  They went on to say, "If the problem really is an issue with the ME FW, then the only way to fix the problem is to reflash the entire contents of the ME FW, which can only be done by a service technician. You need to collect the info that I suggested in order to really tell what the problem is."
Not really an answer for us but it seems like there are cases of corrupt Intel ME.

EDIT:  More comments from the thread I found:
Get on the web and download a copy of Read-Write Everything (http://www.mydigitallife.info/2009/07/30/rw-everything-utility-free-download-to-access-and-dump-computer-hardware-info/ (http://www.mydigitallife.info/2009/07/30/rw-everything-utility-free-download-to-access-and-dump-computer-hardware-info/)), or any tool that will allow you to read the PCI config registers.  Read the DWORD value from PCI bus 0, device 3, function 0, registers 0x43-0x40; this is the ME FW status register.  If we could figure out these values, we could compare good systems with bad systems and see if we find anything.


I will test that Read-Write Everything , cause my system is fully update and is working.
First attemp to install IME didn't work, but the second time or third it went fine and is updated to 1164. Also in windows is ok.
Between the first attemp and second I did a lot and don't exactly know what I did.

I remember I updated the version of IME in windows. installed 1164 but it shows version 1144.
Did also install the sb chipsetdrivers but I already had a newer version in windows installed.
I also have sp1 W7.
Before I flashed the second time, the bios was clearcmos with default values.
I flashed it with a bootable usb and manually update the IME.
MEUP -ALLOWSV -F ME1164.BIN
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j274/bul_photos/2600K/th_Foto0604.jpg) (http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j274/bul_photos/2600K/Foto0604.jpg)
edit
Downloaded the tool, but can only scan for errors.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: jpvino on 30-January-11, 06:44:46
Hey Guy's

Just joined the forum because of trouble with a new build and............I gotta say THANKS for all the super advice and knowledge you folks
are slinging around. Great stuff!!!

Thought I was going to put my head through a window trying to figure out my issues, but you guy's had me straightened out soonest.....so far. Please
keep up the great work and know that somebody, even a rookie, really appreciates your efforts.

Been working on the Bios fix. The help here has saved my sanity.................keep up the great work

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Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Froggy Gremlin on 30-January-11, 07:15:54
Quote
Please keep up the great work and know that somebody, even a rookie, really appreciates your efforts.
Always nice to hear some kind words among the sometimes chaos. It's a user to user group effort. Svet, Jack, & others are doing what they can to stabilize the situation. Like you, my hat tip goes out to all who have made a positive contribution here. :hat tip:
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: bullus on 30-January-11, 12:38:40
Peoples who have the IME error, did the dualbios led flickers on the mobo?
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: atikkur on 30-January-11, 13:58:42
hello.. same situation here.
i got P67A-GD65 about a week ago. My stock bios is v1.4 and the PCB version is 2.0. Using bios 1.4 i cannot use mouse in OC section (hang when i first clicked it), so i thought i need updated bios. Using bios v1.7 was no luck, just hang on save setting. Intel ME cant be updated too, it said some like, "cannot locate the device driver". Until i found this forum, bios v1.8A is my saver.. finally i can save my bios setting, and overclock well. But still, the Intel ME cannot be updated, nor verivying it.

Bios 1.8A is not perfect too, these are some flaws:
- Spread spectrum hang when clicked/changed
- BCLK back to 100mhz when changed
- No Raid in Marvell chipset

In windows xp x32, sometime i can install the intel me, sometimes dont. The INTEL ME detected as "PCI Simple Communication". After installation, i got exclamation mark on INTEL MANAGEMENT ENGINE. On the next boot, this INTEL ME just dissappear from device manager list. Even in windows 7 x64, this INTEL ME was never detected its presence, so i never can install it.

Is this hardware flaws or just software, i think MSI should declare it soon. What INTEL ME does exactly, and is it crippled the system if not installed (other than bios issues)? So every end user that have this problem, can decide have to RMA it or not. But i prefer if there is a solution to fix the Intel ME firmware than have to RMA it. Big thanks to this community.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Thierry14 on 30-January-11, 14:12:26
Where can I find the 1.8A bios.. the 1.8B10 didnt do it for me overclocking wise
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: DerBert on 30-January-11, 14:19:53
@Thierry14: 1.8A and 1.8B10 are one and the same.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: atikkur on 30-January-11, 14:22:31
@bullus
no flickers.

@thierry14
yes.. bios 1.8A and 1.8B10 are the same.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Thierry14 on 30-January-11, 14:41:11
thats a bummer.. In 1.8B10 if I would change anything in the oc tap it would not be stable..
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: bullus on 30-January-11, 18:11:21
thats a bummer.. In 1.8B10 if I would change anything in the oc tap it would not be stable..

Try a clearcmos and after that load default settings.
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=31222.0
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Froggy Gremlin on 30-January-11, 21:04:05
Quote
But i prefer if there is a solution to fix the Intel ME firmware than have to RMA it.
If the MEI driver does not install, & Device Manager doesn't show the Intel Management Engine Interface, it appears the MEI FW can't be installed at the end user level. I am sure word if this is the case will be forthcoming.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Tydyt on 30-January-11, 23:04:36
Bios 1.8A is not perfect too, these are some flaws:

- No Raid in Marvell chipset
I can confirm - this option in the BIOS 1.8b10 missing.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Svet on 31-January-11, 11:55:15
@Svet

MSIHQ: Information detected by MSIHQ Tool ver: 1.19e5
MSIHQ: Report generated in vr 28-01-2011 at 16:09:18,97
*********************************
Mainboard:  P67A-GD65 (MS-7681)
PCB Version:  2.0
BIOS Version: V1.8BA (aka Version: V1.8B10)
BIOS Date:  01/24/2011
*********************************

Let's test if the bios is stable for >5ghz :)

 :biggthumbsup:

P.S: The new version is out:

MSIHQ: Information detected by MSIHQ Tool ver: 1.19e5
MSIHQ: Report generated in  31-01-2011 at 12:13:24,51
*********************************
Mainboard:  P67A-GD65 (MS-7681)
PCB Version:  2.0
BIOS Version: V1.8BB (aka Version: V1.8B11)
BIOS Date:  01/27/2011
*********************************

Flash/Use at own risk!

For automatic and safety flashing: >>Use the MSI HQ Forum USB flasher<< (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=116721.0)
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: sailindawg on 31-January-11, 13:55:44
 @Svet

It looks like there's a new beta BIOS, 1.8b11.

What does it fix, how stable is it?  Does it settle the board voltage fluctuations, the saving issues, the IME update issue & the spread spectrum issue?

I'm receiving the GD65 today and have been watching this forum with interest.

One more quick question: does the IME occupy a sector of the BIOS chip or is it a seperate E-prom chip?

Thanks & keep up the good work!

Regards.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: atikkur on 31-January-11, 16:19:01
If the MEI driver does not install, & Device Manager doesn't show the Intel Management Engine Interface, it appears the MEI FW can't be installed at the end user level. I am sure word if this is the case will be forthcoming.

so. what is the worst scenario if we live without IME... for present and future?
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Bruticis on 31-January-11, 16:26:03
so. what is the worst scenario if we live without IME... for present and future?
I'm not willing to take that chance and find out down the road, so I RMA'd mine.  From everything I've read, the MEI can't be fixed by the end user if it's corrupt or not on the board.  Best case scenario is the ME isn't going to affect anything but I'm not willing to risk it.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Soilworker on 31-January-11, 17:31:50
I'm sure you guys already tried this but I downloaded an updated version from intels site when the one from msi wasnt working. Here is the link just incase anyone missed it:
http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&ProdId=3273&DwnldID=19691&keyword=%22%ADIntel+Management+Engine+Driver%22&lang=eng (http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&ProdId=3273&DwnldID=19691&keyword=%22%ADIntel+Management+Engine+Driver%22&lang=eng)

edit: My bios is 1,8B6
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: brattak on 31-January-11, 19:01:22
ok this is the problem and now??

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Intel-Identifies-Chipset-bw-2602718600.html?x=0&.v=1&.pf=personal-finance&mod=pf-personal-finance
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: boobeer on 31-January-11, 20:03:28
I'm sure you guys already tried this but I downloaded an updated version from intels site when the one from msi wasnt working. Here is the link just incase anyone missed it:
http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&ProdId=3273&DwnldID=19691&keyword=%22%ADIntel+Management+Engine+Driver%22&lang=eng (http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&ProdId=3273&DwnldID=19691&keyword=%22%ADIntel+Management+Engine+Driver%22&lang=eng)

edit: My bios is 1,8B6

The DRIVER (OS interface with hardware) is not the problem, it's the FIRMWARE (light software layer embedded into the hardware) that is the cause.

meanwhile, intel has declared that all P67/H67 etc... Boards sent suffer from a major bug on the SATA 2.0 (3Gbs) part of the chipset that will induce a forced RMA for all owners of sandy bridge platforms  :undecided:
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: sailindawg on 31-January-11, 20:28:37
I wonder how much of the problems that are seen in this thread are related to the faulty Chipset?
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: klaasvaag on 31-January-11, 20:43:48

(http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/1391/semttuloky.jpg) (http://img691.imageshack.us/i/semttuloky.jpg/)

Okay i received a complete new board from RMA. And i must say... all my problems are over  :agrees:

Bios is updatable to : [E7681IMS.18A+ME1164.BIN] and no problems. I can save all settings and even Intel management engine driver installation is fine (see above picture, this is what i got when first booted, installed the management engine driver and it was gone).

I recommend RMA the whole lot!!
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: sailindawg on 31-January-11, 20:53:05
interesting data point.  I would assume your Chipset was made by Intel after they found their problem.  Be great to know if there was a way to tell when your Chipset was made.  If the Chipset is not related, but I can't see how it can't be because of the IME, your case is a very happy coincidence.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: klaasvaag on 31-January-11, 21:09:46
Correction... it wasn't fixed at all.... they just gave me a new board (also rev. 2.0 and equipped with 1.4 bios).
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: atikkur on 31-January-11, 21:33:16
Correction... it wasn't fixed at all.... they just gave me a new board.

So does the RMA still didnt fix the IME issue. This is what im affraid of, that,, the whole or a great batch of P67-GD65 is IME flawed? I wonder why MSI not soonly declared to recall the infected products?
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Bruticis on 31-January-11, 21:43:44
So does the RMA still didnt fix the IME issue. This is what im affraid of, that,, the whole or a great batch of P67-GD65 is IME flawed? I wonder why MSI not soonly declared to recall the infected products?
No, he's saying MSI didn't fix his old board but instead sent him a new board (which did fix his problem).  He's not saying the issue wasn't fixed.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: atikkur on 31-January-11, 22:51:22
@bruticis
well, ok then,, that is very clear.

I'll RMA it until Intel fix their SATA2 port issue.
So klaasvaag,  i think you should RMA it again to fix the second issue (SATA2)... hehe. :lol_anim:
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Froggy Gremlin on 01-February-11, 04:17:04
I'm sure you guys already tried this but I downloaded an updated version from intels site when the one from msi wasnt working. Here is the link just incase anyone missed it:
http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&ProdId=3273&DwnldID=19691&keyword=%22%ADIntel+Management+Engine+Driver%22&lang=eng (http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&ProdId=3273&DwnldID=19691&keyword=%22%ADIntel+Management+Engine+Driver%22&lang=eng)

edit: My bios is 1,8B6
If you look in Device Manager, System Devices, even after installing the 1184 driver (assuming the ME is in fact listed & working), I bet it still reads 1144 as the driver that's installed. My board works & runs perfect in every respect. However, the degradation of the S-ATA may be slow over time. That is reason enough to get a replacement if & when a recall is announced. It will be awhile before the replacement parts are available. It would be nice if a utility was available from Intel that would reveal if the chipset is in fact ok or not. The Management Engine Verification Utility now online is for P-H55 chipsets & doesn't work with Cougar Point P67. Tried it, & it didn't work.  
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: liquoredonlife on 01-February-11, 04:38:52
Or you could use the unaffected SATA3 ports in the meantime.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Froggy Gremlin on 01-February-11, 05:15:47
Or you could use the unaffected SATA III 6Gb/s ports in the meantime.
:biggthumbsup: Absolutely!
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: klaasvaag on 01-February-11, 08:56:10
hmm bad luck all around now that we (also) have the chipset problems with SATA300. Will use SATA600 for the main drives in the meanwhile.

I am indeed curious if we can test this problem (if it exists on your main-board) and how the recall will be organized . i cannot imagine that all retailers will be as straight forward as Intel is.

update on my new board, Prime95 torture all night long testing (7 hours) and still all workers active  ;-))
Rock solid it seems......

Will try overclocking next.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Soilworker on 01-February-11, 12:58:26
If you look in Device Manager, System Devices, even after installing the 1184 driver (assuming the ME is in fact listed & working), I bet it still reads 1144 as the driver that's installed. My board works & runs perfect in every respect. However, the degradation of the S-ATA may be slow over time. That is reason enough to get a replacement if & when a recall is announced. It will be awhile before the replacement parts are available. It would be nice if a utility was available from Intel that would reveal if the chipset is in fact ok or not. The Management Engine Verification Utility now online is for P-H55 chipsets & doesn't work with Cougar Point P67. Tried it, & it didn't work.  

It might very well still read as 1144, I'm currently at work though so I can't check that. My main point however was that with the install that was from MSI (dvd / homepage) I just got a message along the lines of "Your system does not meet the requirements.." so I could never install it. At that point I already had bios 1,8B6 installed. I didn't change a thing or even reboot after I got that message, all I did was go to the intelpage and downloaded that install and it installed without any complaints and I've got no errors showing in Device Manager. Don't know if this helps anyone :)
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: joxa on 05-February-11, 19:32:54
One n00b question... did the forum search and went thru this thread and there seems to be no similar discussion on P67A-GD53, all the focus is on GD65. Can't get my GD53 over 4Ghz no matter what, upping volts a little = boot fail/hard reset, with CM Hyper N520 cooler (not the best, not the worst either - idle temps around 28-30 on stock volts)... So would it be safe to use, say, BIOS 1.8b6 for the GD65? Are there any major differences between GD53 and GD65, except for additional FireWire/SATAIII/eSATA headers? Did the comparison thingy on MSI product page and these are (seem to be) the only differences.


Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Froggy Gremlin on 05-February-11, 20:58:08
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One n00b question... did the forum search and went thru this thread and there seems to be no similar discussion on P67A-GD53, all the focus is on GD65.
There is a reason for that. This is a P67A-GD65 thread. Please start a new one with questions specific to your mainboard. :-))
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: liquoredonlife on 07-February-11, 19:30:03
On the latest 1.8B11 bios and have successfully updated ME. Why does Control Center 2 show .035 vcore less than what is set in the bios?

e.g., I'll set vcore to 1.37 in bios, CC reads 1.335, cpu-z reads 1.352/1.36 in idle, and 1.40/1.408 at load. Green Power tab in CC also reflect what cpu-z show. High or low vdroop have no affect.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Froggy Gremlin on 08-February-11, 00:13:21
Why does Control Center 2 show .035 vcore less than what is set in the bios? e.g., I'll set vcore to 1.37 in bios, CC reads 1.335, cpu-z reads 1.352/1.36 in idle, and 1.40/1.408 at load. Green Power tab in CC also reflect what cpu-z show. High or low vdroop have no affect.
Recommend opening a ticket with MSI Tech Support. Doubt any of the forum users are going to have an answer. Are you sure you are running off the updated primary BIOS & not off the backup? High VDroop setting was changed to 'Auto' in the newer BIOS revisions.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Bruticis on 08-February-11, 02:10:08
Got my RMA motherboard, noticed the bios was already flashed to 1.7.  Finally have everything as it should be!  Noticed the new box has a W3 sticker beside the model number, old box didn't have this.  No idea if that means anything or not but just something worth noting (not that you can go out and buy the 1155s right now anyway).
(http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/5355/newmobo.png)
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Froggy Gremlin on 08-February-11, 02:25:09
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Noticed the new box has a W3 sticker beside the model number
Recommend contacting MSI Tech Support & ask them a specific question if this has the new B3 6 series chipset. If it is, you are one lucky....er....a....individual! The rest of us will just have to wait. :undecided:
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: pepe123 on 09-February-11, 00:56:48
Got my RMA motherboard, noticed the bios was already flashed to 1.7.  Finally have everything as it should be!  Noticed the new box has a W3 sticker beside the model number, old box didn't have this.

Can you check the fw version of the ME? Has it also been updated to 1164 or it's still the old 1144?

There're some reports that the latest version of AIDA64 can read the firware codes of the SB-chips (Here in German: http://www.computerbase.de/news/hardware/chipsaetze/intel/2011/februar/intel-spec-codes-fuers-neue-cougar-point-stepping/ (http://www.computerbase.de/news/hardware/chipsaetze/intel/2011/februar/intel-spec-codes-fuers-neue-cougar-point-stepping/)). Can you give it a try? If the software doesn't show B2 then you've been quite lucky :biggthumbsup:
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Bruticis on 09-February-11, 01:15:06
I'm not exactly sure what I'm looking for.  I don't see the ME in ADIA64.  I can tell you windows device manager lists it as 1144 but I haven't confirmed that from a command line yet.
(http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/8104/stepping.png)
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Froggy Gremlin on 09-February-11, 01:19:50
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I'm not exactly sure what I'm looking for.
Mainboard 6 series chipset. D2 is CPU.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Bruticis on 09-February-11, 01:24:04
Mainboard 6 series chipset. D2 is CPU.
Right, noticed that after I posted, sorry.  Looks like it's the same old B2.
(http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/1574/stepping2.png)
(http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/2056/northm.png)
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Froggy Gremlin on 09-February-11, 01:28:37
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Looks like it's the same old B2.
Thanks much for checking on that. :biggthumbsup:

In Device Manager, System devices, have you had a chance to see if the the MEI driver still reads as 1144? Again, thanks for taking the time to investigate. :-))
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Bruticis on 09-February-11, 01:31:48
Thanks much for checking on that. :biggthumbsup:

In Device Manager, System devices, have you had a chance to see if the the MEI driver still reads as 1144? Again, thanks for taking the time to investigate. :-))
Sure thing and yes, the MEI driver still reads 1144 in device manager.  I haven't tried to update or confirm the version from usb stick yet though.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Froggy Gremlin on 09-February-11, 01:44:39
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the MEI driver still reads 1144 in device manager
Ok. Appreciate your taking the time & the updates. :hat tip:
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: jpvino on 09-February-11, 03:19:09
I can confirm - this option in the BIOS 1.8b10 missing.


Confirm this as well.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Froggy Gremlin on 09-February-11, 09:02:00
@ Bruticis AIDA64 reads mine as Revision 04, no Stepping even listed & no actual stepping indicated at all. :think:
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: pepe123 on 09-February-11, 09:09:35
@ Bruticis

Thank you for testing. Obviously they've just updated the bios and still have those old ME chips. By the way you can check the firmware with the meup utility (form my memory: meup -ver).

With all this chaos right now, I'll be waiting till mid April to get my board.

edit:
@ HU16E

maybe intel still hasn't told the whole truth about this recall and there's more than just the faulty sata2 ports
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Froggy Gremlin on 09-February-11, 21:13:56
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@ Bruticis AIDA64 reads mine as Revision 04, no Stepping even listed & no actual stepping indicated at all.
Revision 04 'is' stepping B2 anyway, so AIDA64 reading different than yours is a moot point.

@ pepe123 There is more to it than just SATA II degradation, MEI FW not being installed with some chipsets, along with a few other abnormalities.

The bottom line is that all B2 stepped boards should be replaced when replacements are available. :-))
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: pepe123 on 09-February-11, 23:03:16
There is more to it than just SATA II degradation, MEI FW not being installed with some chipsets, along with a few other abnormalities.


You're right but it's hard to prove. The boards will be swapped but what will come next? There's still no official word for the faulty MEI upgrade (and the MSI officials know about it: https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=144484.msg1080605#msg1080605 (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=144484.msg1080605#msg1080605))

Maybe it's reasonable to see what Bulldoser can offer? Better bang for the money?
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Froggy Gremlin on 10-February-11, 00:38:40
The boards will be swapped but what will come next? There's still no official word for the faulty MEI upgrade.
When the re-release hits the shelves, personally, I think they are going to make excellent systems. There is some evidence in the forum of that now. A few glitches, but in all honesty, I have not run into any major problems that couldn't be worked around for the time being. If you luck out & have a true unlocked 'magic bean' CPU, this system can be set up as fast as lightning. As for the MEI, I doubt 'any' re-release board will be without FW. Getting into a debate over AMD, & the attributes of Intel is not in keeping with the topic of this thread. Intel may even be more competitive after this fiasco with pricing to keep the flock & gain crossover consumers. Actually, forgive me mods, but I have gotten off topic a bit as well. :rolleyes: 
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Henry on 10-February-11, 00:55:06
 Yes, please do keep to the topic. If you want to discuss what if, whatever or some such thing start a topic in Anything Under the Sun.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: liquoredonlife on 10-February-11, 10:50:26
Recommend opening a ticket with MSI Tech Support. Doubt any of the forum users are going to have an answer. Are you sure you are running off the updated primary BIOS & not off the backup? High VDroop setting was changed to 'Auto' in the newer BIOS revisions.

Told my friend who works at MSI but I guess I could get a ticket open too; I'd expect a canned response for pretty much anything related to this board til April. Looks like bios revisions are on hold as well with the whole Intel fiasco.

What you describe is what existed in 1.8B6. Did you update to 1.8B11? And how would I explicitly run off the backup? If it involves moving a jumper or something, I haven't touched anything. I was under the impression that it'd only run off the backup under failure.

I'm just curious if anyone else has observed this. I'm going through Green Power settings as well to see.

I just noticed that the auto DRAM voltage setting of 1.8B11 set it to 1.65. Brought it back down to 1.507. I haven't attempted to OC my ram or tighten timings at all.
Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Froggy Gremlin on 10-February-11, 12:31:34
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What you describe is what existed in 1.8B6. Did you update to 1.8B11? I haven't touched anything. I was under the impression that it'd only run off the backup under failure.
Check my sig. No, run 1.8b6 & will until the replacement. Mine actually worked fine from day one with the BIOS version 1.5 my board was shipped with. In the name of testing science, I tried 1.8b6, liked it, & stuck with it. If you have the boards LED control disabled, you would never get the blinking BIOS failure indication, so it could possibly run off the backup chip without immediate knowledge.
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I just noticed that the auto DRAM voltage setting of 1.8B11 set it to 1.65. Brought it back down to 1.507. I haven't attempted to OC my ram or tighten timings at all.
Just as Henry has pointed out & said to avoid, this is all off topic. If you have a friend at MSI, I don't know what is expected from us users here at the forum that the MSI friend wouldn't have an answer for.
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I'm just curious if anyone else has observed this.
Recommend to start a new thread to satisfy the hunger for curiosity, this one is cluttered up enough.



Title: Re: msi p67a gd65 bios 1.6 dont save
Post by: Jack on 10-February-11, 12:37:23
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this one is cluttered up enough.

... more than true.  And that is precisely the reason why I am now locking this topic.  

Last word:
The saving issue that this thread was originally about can be solved with BIOS v1.8b10 which can be downloaded here (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=144484.msg1080605#msg1080605) or here (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=144655.msg1080800#msg1080800).  For any other questions: Please open your own topic. Thank you.


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