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Title: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: ayaya1111.ya on 10-February-17, 08:49:51
Hello Guys,

My GT73VR got the same TDR on before and I fixed it through adjusting the [Core Clock] to [-150] by Afterburner, see here:
http://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=276367.27 (http://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=276367.27)
 
Aside from that, now I found there is another useful source from one popular forum of China.
http://benyouhui.it168.com/thread-5742581-1-1.html (http://benyouhui.it168.com/thread-5742581-1-1.html)
 
You could find an upgrading guide and VBIOS download link (See yellow circle as below)

[attachthumb=1]

That's exactly what I'm talking about. The Boost Clock of GeForce GTX1070 is around 1645MHz. Maybe MSI thermal design and the power module are far better than other brand products and let GPU to reach the over SPEC frequency.
 
Anyway, I’ve flashed and tested this VBIOS with my GT73VR. And it could work and help limit the boost clock with reasonable level. As far as I can tell, it works fine and the TDR trouble doesn’t show up with my games (GTA V, Witcher3).
 
How to use the VBIOS:
1. Type [FVBIOS.bat] in Command Prompt (Admin).
2. Type [y] to confirm override and update.

3. When the VBIOS upgrading is done, rebooting the system and new configuration will start working.
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: adolfotregosa on 10-February-17, 09:31:19
What is the vbios version ? Does it keep boost working or will it disable it like the "debug vbios" you find here in the forum?

I have made a video showing the problem and on the description I share my thoughts.

https://youtu.be/pHUMYPFJCfo

Thank you
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: adolfotregosa on 10-February-17, 15:33:48
Update. VBIOS does have boost but this time it will  only go to 1645Mhz.

Thank you for this share.
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: c.crocker on 10-February-17, 16:11:32
Thanks for sharing!

I dont seem to be able to download that vbios zip file without registering on that website which i tried and it will not accept my UK phone number to send verification for registration.

Are you able to send me the zip please?

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: adolfotregosa on 10-February-17, 16:15:09
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B15_BuSjR26WV0NrbldGVzhlWnc/view?usp=sharing

Version 86.04.5B.00.8A - Boost to 1645Mhz
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: c.crocker on 10-February-17, 16:19:06
Thanks for that!

I'll try that now

:biggthumbsup:
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: sylo on 11-February-17, 08:55:23
This is great news. What we really wanted was a way to limit the boost and this might be exactly what we need. I hope this doesn't end up screwing our GPU's though. I'll give it a shot.
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: cedricemma on 11-February-17, 09:54:42
Keep us updated
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: cedricemma on 13-February-17, 05:37:58
Any news from this new Vbios?
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: sylo on 13-February-17, 08:12:51
Update! I've tested the new VBIOS on my GT62VE 6RE Dom Pro and it has been working near flawlessly. Not a single crash so far. Even in areas where I used to get consistent crashes.
I say near flawless because I noticed a few things but it might be me:
1. There is a small lag of 1-2 frames between when the GPU needs power and when the GPU actually gets power. Not a big deal/ isn't intrusive.
2. I don't seem to be able to idle my GPU but this could be caused by something else. My GPU will not go below 1445MHz which is annoying when you're on battery.
3. Dragon Center Shift seems to work better than before. My shift never did seem to do much before but now they actually change the performance rather distinctly. 

Dragon Center Shift will give me the following options:
Turbo: Tested +100/+200 MHz on GPU and is stable. This gets my GPU to 1745 max boost, 4207 on memory, and CPU at 3.1GHz.
You can probably go up to 1845MHz without crashing since this vbios seems way more stable.
Sport: GPU at 1445-1645/4007 MHz and CPU at 3.1GHz. This means both GPU and CPU are boosting as they should be.
Comfort: GPU at 1445-1645/4007 MHz and CPU at 2.6GHz, however, CPU will boost if needed.
ECO: GPU at 1445/810 MHz and CPU at 1.2GHz.

I'll keep testing the vbios and I can't recommend it enough. If you have similar problems you should flash this vbios.
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: guiot.lucas on 13-February-17, 14:48:38
No problems for me with this vbios too, everything works fine
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: cedricemma on 14-February-17, 05:01:43
Well, with this Vbios i'm freezing while playing Hitman :/.
I'm gonna try some other games.
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: darkknight302 on 19-February-17, 17:06:54
Update! I've tested the new VBIOS on my GT62VE 6RE Dom Pro and it has been working near flawlessly. Not a single crash so far. Even in areas where I used to get consistent crashes. I say near flawless because I noticed a few things but it might be me: 1. There is a small lag of 1-2 frames between when the GPU needs power and when the GPU actually gets power. Not a big deal/ isn't intrusive. 2. I don't seem to be able to idle my GPU but this could be caused by something else. My GPU will not go below 1445MHz which is annoying when you're on battery. 3. Dragon Center Shift seems to work better than before. My shift never did seem to do much before but now they actually change the performance rather distinctly. Dragon Center Shift will give me the following options: Turbo: Tested +100/+200 MHz on GPU and is stable. This gets my GPU to 1745 max boost, 4207 on memory, and CPU at 3.1GHz. You can probably go up to 1845MHz without crashing since this vbios seems way more stable. Sport: GPU at 1445-1645/4007 MHz and CPU at 3.1GHz. This means both GPU and CPU are boosting as they should be. Comfort: GPU at 1445-1645/4007 MHz and CPU at 2.6GHz, however, CPU will boost if needed. ECO: GPU at 1445/810 MHz and CPU at 1.2GHz. I'll keep testing the vbios and I can't recommend it enough. If you have similar problems you should flash this vbios.

Thanks man. Your post encouraged me to try the vbios and it seemed to have worked. No crash or freezing!
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: sylo on 20-February-17, 07:36:41
Glad it helped, mate.

My system right now runs flawless. No lags, it idles properly (just needed a restart), and is stable at even Max turbo settings (+200/+350).
I am finally able to enjoy this laptop and marvel at its beauty.
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: sebcle38 on 13-March-17, 12:48:28
Hello, i'm trying this vBios and at this time it work good on my GT72VR-6RE

One crash in Max turbo settings (+200/+350).
No crash on Default Turbo settings (+100/+200)
No crash on Sport mode (i will use it i think, and update if something change)

When i'm not gaming i use Comfort Mode to avoid a little coil whine.

Thanks a lot !!!!!
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: ygsoleilfr on 18-March-17, 10:58:23
hello , i got crash on my gt72vr....273.  120hertz, g-synch
who know where the problem come from ?
i did flash this bios, don t know if i did right
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: silvestras.samsonas on 06-April-17, 09:34:45
Help! 

I have updated vbios and now after restart everything is just very slow, especially games. Extreamly slow

Have I missed something? 
Thank you very much for the help.
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: Konstantin on 06-April-17, 10:41:47
Hi silvestras.samsonas,
What game are you playing? What FPS did you got?

Use latest Help Desk to export the system info and post the text information in here.
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: silvestras.samsonas on 14-April-17, 14:11:23
Sorry for the late answer. 

I tried nba 2k17. 

I have attach information from the help desk. 

I would be very very grateful for the help.(:
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: sebcle38 on 14-April-17, 19:42:38
Graphics:                     NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070, 4095 MB             (Not 8192 MB?)
VBIOS Version:                N/A           (No Version?)

Your VBIOS have a problem, you have to reflash it i think maybe with the original one
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: guiot.lucas on 15-April-17, 09:59:54
I try the new vbios 86.04.5B.00.44 this morning, same crash than before :undecided: Core clock up to 1850MHz
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: sylo on 15-April-17, 15:30:52
I cannot vouch for any VBIOS except 86.04.5B.00.8A, which has been working flawlessly for me. Installing the new Nahimic+ software introduced instabilities in my system so I do not recommend using it.
 
For those with problems using the above VBIOS, make sure you flash correctly. I recommend MSI’s method:
1. Download latest NVIDIA driver.
2. Download latest DDU.
3. Download the VBIOS (86.04.5B.00.8A)
4. Run DDU in safe mode to remove the NVIDIA driver and restart.
5. Flash the VBIOS as per MSI instructions.
6. Install the latest NVIDIA driver and restart.
 
If everything went right your exported help desk info should have the following:
 
Graphics:                           NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070, 8192 MB
VBIOS Version:                86.04.5b.00.8a,XXXXXXX
 

I don’t think you should have any issues with this VBIOS.
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: dleigh.mail on 16-April-17, 06:32:02
I'm puzzled why this isn't a problem for all of the notebooks with the 1070. Some seem to be able to clock to 1850 and hold without the CTD direct3d device removed error from what I've been reading on other forums.

Why isn't anyone from MSI acknowledging this yet though?  It's really poor that we have to rely on a 3rd party bios made by who knows who (Svet denies making this vbios) to use our rather expensive laptops.

For those who are still trying to probe further - use GPU-Z and browse the log files on a vbios that goes to 1850mhz and you'll see a util or pwr PerfCap that it jumps between for throttling the card back down but it never actually scales back the memory clock to level 4 which I think would solve this problem.

While I don't like using 3rd party vbios I have to say it's almost rock solid - the only issue is a tiny stutter that happens randomly.  Very minor but still...
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: ericalexb on 17-April-17, 00:52:25
Fixed for me:

1- First Updated to latest bios for my GT72VR 7RE plus EC firmware
2- Installed the new 86.04.5B.00.44 vbios
3- Updated win10 to creators update, installed latest drivers.
4- In dragon center used custom fan speeds (advanced) to never go over 70c.

Now 1070 boosts to 1822mhz (not 1850mhz) stable no more crashes.
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: adolfotregosa on 30-April-17, 02:24:55
Could you upload that vbios so we can test it??

Thank you
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: dleigh.mail on 30-April-17, 05:59:46
Could you upload that vbios so we can test it?? Thank you

They took down this vbios not long after this post was made I think as I looked for it and there isn't any vbios listed for this laptop anymore.

This is getting very frustrating at the lack of support - several months have gone by since I first contacted MSI for support and all they say is send in the laptop to the service center which is nearly 3000km away.  What will that do?  Confirm that the vbios isn't designed correctly? Then what?  Send it back with a new 1070 which will no doubt suffer the same issues...  I have yet to get through to the Australian MSI service center which seems to be engaged every time I have called (which given the hours I can only do in my lunch breaks from work).

Still using the chinese vbios which worries me that it might be doing damage over time.  I want a genuine one from MSI that works!
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: falkentyne on 30-April-17, 06:44:06
Use the chinese Vbios.  Works well AND the part number is HIGHER than the bios MSI removed.
86.04.5b.00.8a.
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: chazman4494 on 01-May-17, 04:16:43
So I just bought this laptop on Ebay. And Some of my games were crashing. Like GTA 5, World of Tanks.. 

GTA 5,, would go to a Yellow Static screen, then the laptop would reset.
WOT would just stop then the laptop would reset.

Sometime the laptop would not fully boot. And I would see a small line of garbage across the screen.

So I just updated my VBios, and now GTA did not crash during the bench mark test. And I have been playing for about 30- minutes no crash!

So thank you to everyone who posted the fix and offered help!! I was about to send it back to MSI..  Glad I don't have to now..

Here is a Pic of the Crash in GTA 5..
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: avicrysis on 02-May-17, 18:19:23
Dude U r legend ! 

The VBIOS update worked like charm. No overwatch crash, no gta v crash, no deus ex crash. etc. 
This is amazing bro. Thank you for sharing. Very much appreciated.
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: a.boer on 17-May-17, 13:20:40
Hi,

I bought a GT62VR 7RE (4K) notebook.
I got multiple crashes in games. I tried to update the VBIOS, but got an error before flashing (see picture).
MSI Support doesn't help, they only sends the URL of this topic.

Anyone got some advice to flash the bios of this forum and get the notebook stable?

Thanks!
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: falkentyne on 17-May-17, 15:18:27
Run NVflash manually.
there are commandline switches to avoid vendor check and that ID thing.
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: a.boer on 17-May-17, 16:08:13
Hi,

I did run it manually with the -6 parameter.
Can't find another one to fix the GPU mismatch.
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: street on 17-May-17, 17:07:11
Dude U r legend !

The VBIOS update worked like charm. No overwatch crash, no gta v crash, no deus ex crash. etc.
This is amazing bro. Thank you for sharing. Very much appreciated.

So you are happy that your 1070gtx is limited to 1645mhz with some chinese bios that might damage your laptop?

Purchased an gt71vr 7re in march, had reboots using 3dMark and BulletStorm game, sent the laptop to msi, they installed BIOS 86.04.5B.00.82 and limits 1070 clock to 1443mhz.

Msi told me they are working with nvidia to resolve this issue, but it seems is taking a lot of time.

This needs to be in the official FAQ laptop page, for warning people that are interested in buying a msi laptop with 1070 gtx.

Does the vbios from april, 86.04.5B.00.44, works 100%?
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: street on 18-May-17, 04:24:31
The Boost Clock of GeForce GTX1070 is around 1645MHz. Maybe MSI thermal design and the power module are far better than other brand products and let GPU to reach the over SPEC frequency.

The dell R15, among other brands, the 1070 can reach 1900mhz wtih default clock, so is not over SPEC frequency.

For those with chinese vbios 1650mhz, your graphics card was designed to reach 1900mhz with default clock.

Dont accept that solution to fix your 2000€ laptop, we need to show that we are not happy with this situation.

"The render test of GPU-Z was executed with up to 1900 MHz in the case of the GT62VR"

https://www.notebookcheck.net/MSI-GT62VR-6RE-Dominator-Pro-Notebook-Review.171215.0.html

Nvidia "only" advertises a Turbo range of 1443-1645 MHz, but the chip can reach up to 1900 MHz (GPU-Z Render test)

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Alienware-15-R3-Notebook-Review.196584.0.html
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: falkentyne on 18-May-17, 05:05:04
Can you stop spamming every forum and post in the world with the same crap?  We heard you the first time, and no one here cares about your nonstop whining.
If you don't like your laptop, RMA it and buy something else.  And STOP SPAMMING over and over.
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: street on 18-May-17, 05:33:45
Can you stop spamming every forum and post in the world with the same crap?  We heard you the first time, and no one here cares about your nonstop whining.
If you don't like your laptop, RMA it and buy something else.  And STOP SPAMMING over and over.

You are not kind to other people are you?

Ive already sent my brand new MSI laptop to MSI to fix this issue, thank you for your advice.

If theres five different threads with different users and specs talking about the same problem, why cant i use the other threads?

I shared information and my opinion, on different threads, and tried help others. You call that Spam?

And your spam post is what?

The problem with todays people: they let companies release defective expensive products, and they are happy with them.

P.S

Lets hope your two msi laptops never break, because if they do, and MSI doesnt fix them, this is what karma is my friend.

Karma. Never forget it.
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: digi02_fladramon on 18-May-17, 23:18:13
I don't want to be sound dumb but is there a custom vBios similar for 1060 users, or am I completely SoL and sufffer for further TDRs? :(
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: street on 19-May-17, 00:53:58
I don't want to be sound dumb but is there a custom vBios similar for 1060 users, or am I completely SoL and sufffer for further TDRs? :(

You are having the same crash problem with your 1060 laptop? whats your laptop?
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: street on 19-May-17, 03:26:52
Guys thanks for the feedback!

Fixed for me:

1- First Updated to latest bios for my GT72VR 7RE plus EC firmware
2- Installed the new 86.04.5B.00.44 vbios
3- Updated win10 to creators update, installed latest drivers.
4- In dragon center used custom fan speeds (advanced) to never go over 70c.

Now 1070 boosts to 1822mhz (not 1850mhz) stable no more crashes.

Almost 99% of people, including me, confirms that the removed vbios 86.04.5B.00.44, does indeed crash.

And goes to 1900mhz or more while boosting, same as before, not the 1882 limit you are saying.

Are you really certain of what are you saying?

Update! I've tested the new VBIOS on my GT62VE 6RE Dom Pro and it has been working near flawlessly.

1. There is a small lag of 1-2 frames between when the GPU needs power and when the GPU actually gets power. Not a big deal/ isn't intrusive.
2. I don't seem to be able to idle my GPU but this could be caused by something else. My GPU will not go below 1445MHz which is annoying when you're on battery.


I'll keep testing the vbios and I can't recommend it enough. If you have similar problems you should flash this vbios.

Runs flawlessly, yet you notice lag on frames and gpu does not go below 1445mhz...

Is that flawlessly?

Well, with this Vbios i'm freezing while playing Hitman :/.
I'm gonna try some other games.

Hitman game didnt crash with other vbios?

and is stable at even Max turbo settings (+200/+350).

Really? Theres other user saying it crashes at max turbo, who is telling the truth?

Hello, i'm trying this vBios and at this time it work good on my GT72VR-6RE

One crash in Max turbo settings (+200/+350).

Crash using max turbo...

hello , i got crash on my gt72vr....273.  120hertz, g-synch
who know where the problem come from ?
i did flash this bios, don t know if i did right

Another crash...


the only issue is a tiny stutter that happens randomly.  Very minor but still...

Another user confirms this:

"1. There is a small lag of 1-2 frames between when the GPU needs power and when the GPU actually gets power. Not a big deal/ isn't intrusive."

Two reports of stutter/lag on frames, with this vbios.

Conclusion:

After reading this feedback, i dont know how everyone can say that this chinese vbios is working 100%.

Other thing, theres in fact lots of people with 1070 laptop working fine with every avaliable vbios...

Explain that to me.
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: digi02_fladramon on 19-May-17, 04:17:18
You are having the same crash problem with your 1060 laptop? whats your laptop?
GS63VR 7RF

I was hoping there'd be a temporal fix such as the custom vBios stated in this thread (but for the said GTX I have), but I'm still looking for any kind of solution that I may find.
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: a.boer on 19-May-17, 05:45:51
I just tried the VBIOS update again with other parameters. This doesn't work. I also tried another older VBIOS from msi GT62VR site, this updates fine. The problems exist unfortunately.

Someone got any advice to get this Vbios updated? Still got the GPU MISMATCH error with my Gt62VR 7RE.

Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: street on 20-May-17, 04:21:26
GS63VR 7RF

I was hoping there'd be a temporal fix such as the custom vBios stated in this thread (but for the said GTX I have), but I'm still looking for any kind of solution that I may find.

Use the warranty, send to MSI, if they dont fix the issue, ask for the money back or new laptop.

Its simple, dont complicate it.

I just tried the VBIOS update again with other parameters. This doesn't work. I also tried another older VBIOS from msi GT62VR site, this updates fine. The problems exist unfortunately.

Someone got any advice to get this Vbios updated? Still got the GPU MISMATCH error with my Gt62VR 7RE.

Im sorry, i dont know how to help you.

You are trying to update with chinese vbios? or other official vbios?

I give you the same advice to the other user, use the warranty, send it to msi, if they dont fix the issue, ask for the money.

Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: a.boer on 20-May-17, 07:49:56
Thanks for the reply.
I asked an RMA number. UPS will ship the notebook to Poland on Monday.
Support says the need to update the VBios and perform some motherboard modifications.
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: street on 24-May-17, 22:29:49
Thanks for the reply.
I asked an RMA number. UPS will ship the notebook to Poland on Monday.
Support says the need to update the VBios and perform some motherboard modifications.

They probably will install VBIOS .82 and that limits the GPU to 1443MHZ, thats what MSI did to my laptop.

There are folks reporting that new laptops with build 2017 (K1701N, K1702N, K1703N, and so on) are indeed working fine.

Build K1608, K1609N, and so on, are defective units.

Give feedback when your laptop arrive.
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: geoffrey.wong on 29-May-17, 15:40:56
First off, I have to say, this VIOS Works! gotta give it to the developer/creator.
I get the crash every game, and now, no more crash, not single one after this VBIOS update.

But I do have to agree with hugodrandrade.
This laptop is expensive for my lifestyle.
I bought this because I expect near perfection when it comes to what I need. I shelled out big bucks for a great, FAIR gaming experience.
But, obviously, I got the crashing issue all because of BAD MSI VBIOS. I f*ckng hate it.  I feel like I'm being cheated by MSI because of this issue.
I'm not getting what I paid for.
MSI Support just said to return the laptop to where I bought it. yep..


This issue needs to be a top priority by MSI. 
And all affected users shouldn't settle for less.

There should be an announcement or anything.
But it feels like the consumer announces this for them.


Thinking of switching my GT62VR to an Alienware. 
And I do tell my friends and acquaintances that MSI GT series sucks. Because well, it does for me. sad..  I don't go into detail that this issue is for 1070s. I just tell them if they ask, that based on my experience, MSI is stressing. 
Well MSI, that's what you get in the real world. 
I don't hate MSI, just disappointed with what I've got.

Pretty sure other models are great, but hey, if people ate a bad french fry in Mcdonalds, most of the time, those people will say, "I don't like those fries", instead, "I don't like Mcdonalds".
Peace!
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: falkentyne on 29-May-17, 19:15:57
Geoffrey,
The vbios isn't bad.  The problem isn't with MSI directly.  The problem was Nvidia releases some 1070 cards with had problems with the "boost 2" clocks.  The 8A Bios disables the boost 2 clocks that occur above the boost clocks.  Most of the 2017/Gen7 models have a newer revision of the GTX 1070 which fixes this problem.
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: street on 30-May-17, 04:27:56
First off, I have to say, this VIOS Works! gotta give it to the developer/creator.
I get the crash every game, and now, no more crash, not single one after this VBIOS update.

But I do have to agree with hugodrandrade.
This laptop is expensive for my lifestyle.
I bought this because I expect near perfection when it comes to what I need. I shelled out big bucks for a great, FAIR gaming experience.
But, obviously, I got the crashing issue all because of BAD MSI VBIOS. I f*ckng hate it.  I feel like I'm being cheated by MSI because of this issue.
I'm not getting what I paid for.
MSI Support just said to return the laptop to where I bought it. yep..


This issue needs to be a top priority by MSI.
And all affected users shouldn't settle for less.

There should be an announcement or anything.
But it feels like the consumer announces this for them.


Thinking of switching my GT62VR to an Alienware.
And I do tell my friends and acquaintances that MSI GT series sucks. Because well, it does for me. sad..  I don't go into detail that this issue is for 1070s. I just tell them if they ask, that based on my experience, MSI is stressing.
Well MSI, that's what you get in the real world.
I don't hate MSI, just disappointed with what I've got.

Pretty sure other models are great, but hey, if people ate a bad french fry in Mcdonalds, most of the time, those people will say, "I don't like those fries", instead, "I don't like Mcdonalds".
Peace!


Thank you so much man !

It seems everyone is happy with this "solution" for their 1900/2000 € laptop, how can people be happy with this "solution" ?

And someday MSI will release a new vbios to "fix" this issue, and you know what is going to do?

The same as the chinese vbios i bet, they will limit the graphics card power, and thats no solution by any means !

The real solution is to replace the GPU or the laptop, simple as that !

-----------------------

Geoffrey,
The vbios isn't bad.  The problem isn't with MSI directly.  

Sure, but its not the client´s fault either, and msi told me to wait for a vbios - so i see im waiting for nothing, since the gpu is defective and a new vbios is only going to limit its power to fix this issue.

 
The problem was Nvidia releases some 1070 cards with had problems with the "boost 2" clocks.  The 8A Bios disables the boost 2 clocks that occur above the boost clocks.

Right. So what will they do to fix this? Disable boost 2 clocks on a new official vbios as well?

 
Most of the 2017/Gen7 models have a newer revision of the GTX 1070 which fixes this problem.

How do you know this and whats the new revision number? 1.2? is there a way to check the revision of the gpu?
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: geoffrey.wong on 30-May-17, 10:14:34
Geoffrey,
The vbios isn't bad.  The problem isn't with MSI directly.  The problem was Nvidia releases some 1070 cards with had problems with the "boost 2" clocks.  The 8A Bios disables the boost 2 clocks that occur above the boost clocks.  Most of the 2017/Gen7 models have a newer revision of the GTX 1070 which fixes this problem.

Well, that's where MSI QA team comes into play.
QA,  then sell to public.
But I guess most companies today do the "release the product and let the public show the problems to us" thing.
Anyway, from my standpoint, I hate what happened to my gaming laptop, and this laptop happens to be an MSI.  Will warn people.
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: web on 30-May-17, 12:45:38
Hi All!

My story:


I have GT73VR with 1070 with vbios 86.04.56.00.3A, in gaming GPU up to 1850MHz and... Nvidea driver not answer.
Also at the graphic adapter  was very audible throttle.
I  Flash the VBIOS 86.04.5B.00.8A with up 1645MHz.

The game all went, but when raising the frequencies to the GPU to 1845, in some games there were freezing.

I gave it to the service center to replace the video card. A new 1070 came (it's interesting that with the same ID and month / year of release), but the throttle was not audible at all . And yes .... vbois was  .82 with a limit of up to 1443MHZ.

Well, Flash new card (or not new?) on the vbios, which MSI on the site - the system hangs in the games.

I Flash on VBIOS 86.04.5B.00.8A (1645MHz), overclocked a little until 1845 and everything is fine, there are no freezing in those games where it was. The throttle can not be heard, everything is Ок. 


I apologize for my bad English
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: street on 31-May-17, 04:41:25
Well, that's where MSI QA team comes into play.
QA,  then sell to public.
But I guess most companies today do the "release the product and let the public show the problems to us" thing.
Anyway, from my standpoint, I hate what happened to my gaming laptop, and this laptop happens to be an MSI.  Will warn people.

Hey Geoff,

You will not try to ask for refund? or repair/new laptop?


Hi All! My story: I have GT73VR with 1070 with vbios 86.04.56.00.3A, in gaming GPU up to 1850MHz and... Nvidea driver not answer. Also at the graphic adapter was very audible throttle. I Flash the VBIOS 86.04.5B.00.8A with up 1645MHz. The game all went, but when raising the frequencies to the GPU to 1845, in some games there were freezing. I gave it to the service center to replace the video card. A new 1070 came (it's interesting that with the same ID and month / year of release), but the throttle was not audible at all . And yes .... vbois was .82 with a limit of up to 1443MHZ. Well, Flash new card (or not new?) on the vbios, which MSI on the site - the system hangs in the games. I Flash on VBIOS 86.04.5B.00.8A (1645MHz), overclocked a little until 1845 and everything is fine, there are no freezing in those games where it was. The throttle can not be heard, everything is Ок. I apologize for my bad English

Thank you for feedback.

Please tell me the first digits of serial number, you can check in the box, "K1609N", for example.

I need this to check the build date.

MSI did not replace your laptop, all they did was install .82 vbios.

What program are you using to overclock?
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: web on 31-May-17, 06:41:38
Hey Geoff,

You will not try to ask for refund? or repair/new laptop?


Thank you for feedback.

Please tell me the first digits of serial number, you can check in the box, "K1609N", for example.

I need this to check the build date.

MSI did not replace your laptop, all they did was install .82 vbios.

What program are you using to overclock?
I'll look at serial number today.

The graphics adapter replaced exactly, as the chokes stopped making noise and the card behaves stably.

If the old video card, then the new throttles were soldered. But I think that I just changed it to another video card and it turned out to be more successful. In 3DMark in the Time Spy test produces an average result of 5600. memory little overclock +100.       


For overclocking MSI AFTERBURN.

Five times launched the latest version of 3DMARK - the temperature above 65 did not rise. A new paste has not yet been applied.
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: web on 31-May-17, 08:52:29
SN K1608N.
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: web on 31-May-17, 09:27:31
About the new video card that was replaced in the service center:
I overclocked 2 hours ago GPU upto 1900Mhz, memory upto 2102Mhz.
One hour in 3dmark - All ok. Played in hitman  about an hour  - everything is fine, there are no friezes.
Vbios - VBIOS 86.04.5B.00.8A (1645MHz).

Then I Flash  on vbios 86.04.56.00.3A (vbios from MSI website). Overclocking is off. in  hitman GPU automate up to 1850MHz and ... Nvidea driver not answer. -HAHA.

I again Flash on VBIOS 86.04.5B.00.8A (1645MHz) - and everything works fine on overclocking: GPU upto 1900Mhz, memory upto 2102Mhz.

I already do not understand anything ....

Nevertheless, I can say thanks to MSI for the new graphics card.

Still wondering why MSI flash version 82 where BOOST to 1645MHz does not work?
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: geoffrey.wong on 31-May-17, 13:22:12
Is the GPU Core Clock and GPU Memory Clock default values different between laptops?
My VBIOS is the chinese VBIOS 86.04.5b.00.8A
Is everybody getting this values?

Because my GT62VR 6RE :
  
On Battery : 
Shift Value : ECO
GPU Core Clock : 1442MHz
GPU Memory Clock : 810MHz

Shift Value : Power Options (Balanced / High Performance
GPU Core Clock : 1442MHz
GPU Memory Clock : 2999MHz

Plugged In : 
Shift Value : Turbo
GPU Core Clock : 1442MHz
GPU Memory Clock : 3999MHz
Power Plan changes to High Performance


Shift Value : Sport
GPU Core Clock : 1442MHz
GPU Memory Clock : 4006MHz
Power Plan changes to High Performance

Shift Value : Comfort 
GPU Core Clock : 1442MHz
GPU Memory Clock : 4006MHz
Power Plan changes to Balanced

Shift Value : ECO
GPU Core Clock : 1442MHz
GPU Memory Clock : 810MHz
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: geoffrey.wong on 31-May-17, 13:26:14
Hey Geoff,

You will not try to ask for refund? or repair/new laptop?


Nah, it will take a long time for repair. New laptop, i don't know if my seller will be willing to change. Will think about it.
I just don't have the time right now to not have a laptop. Need this for work also. This is only computer I have, sold my old laptop already.
So the frustration with MSI really builds up. I'm using this laptop but at the back of my mind, I know I'm not using a genuine VBIOS.
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: web on 31-May-17, 14:15:32
Is the GPU Core Clock and GPU Memory Clock default values different between laptops?
My VBIOS is the chinese VBIOS 86.04.5b.00.8A
Is everybody getting this values?

Because my GT62VR 6RE :
  
On Battery :
Shift Value : ECO
GPU Core Clock : 1442MHz
GPU Memory Clock : 810MHz

Shift Value : Power Options (Balanced / High Performance
GPU Core Clock : 1442MHz
GPU Memory Clock : 2999MHz

Plugged In :
Shift Value : Turbo
GPU Core Clock : 1442MHz
GPU Memory Clock : 3999MHz
Power Plan changes to High Performance


Shift Value : Sport
GPU Core Clock : 1442MHz
GPU Memory Clock : 4006MHz
Power Plan changes to High Performance

Shift Value : Comfort
GPU Core Clock : 1442MHz
GPU Memory Clock : 4006MHz
Power Plan changes to Balanced

Shift Value : ECO
GPU Core Clock : 1442MHz
GPU Memory Clock : 810MHz

Your bios without unlock core boost
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: geoffrey.wong on 31-May-17, 17:41:36
Your bios without unlock core boost

Sorry, what do you mean? Maybe you can try another sentence? 
(I understand english not you first language :) )
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: street on 31-May-17, 18:18:45
I'll look at serial number today.

The graphics adapter replaced exactly, as the chokes stopped making noise and the card behaves stably.

If the old video card, then the new throttles were soldered. But I think that I just changed it to another video card and it turned out to be more successful. In 3DMark in the Time Spy test produces an average result of 5600. memory little overclock +100.      


For overclocking MSI AFTERBURN.

Five times launched the latest version of 3DMARK - the temperature above 65 did not rise. A new paste has not yet been applied.

Its strange if they replaced your GPU, because they solved your "chokes" problem but you have now a defective GPU with crashes...

Maybe they replaced your GPU with one a 1070 GTX revision 1.0, build 2016.

Nah, it will take a long time for repair. New laptop, i don't know if my seller will be willing to change. Will think about it.
I just don't have the time right now to not have a laptop. Need this for work also. This is only computer I have, sold my old laptop already.
So the frustration with MSI really builds up. I'm using this laptop but at the back of my mind, I know I'm not using a genuine VBIOS.

Im tired of testing the laptop, really.

What pisses me off, is that all people with build 2017 laptops, doesnt have any problems at all.

And i need to use some strange vbios to make the laptop work fine...

Is the GPU Core Clock and GPU Memory Clock default values different between laptops?
My VBIOS is the chinese VBIOS 86.04.5b.00.8A
Is everybody getting this values?

Because my GT62VR 6RE :
 
On Battery :
Shift Value : ECO
GPU Core Clock : 1442MHz
GPU Memory Clock : 810MHz

Shift Value : Power Options (Balanced / High Performance
GPU Core Clock : 1442MHz
GPU Memory Clock : 2999MHz

Plugged In :
Shift Value : Turbo
GPU Core Clock : 1442MHz
GPU Memory Clock : 3999MHz
Power Plan changes to High Performance


Shift Value : Sport
GPU Core Clock : 1442MHz
GPU Memory Clock : 4006MHz
Power Plan changes to High Performance

Shift Value : Comfort
GPU Core Clock : 1442MHz
GPU Memory Clock : 4006MHz
Power Plan changes to Balanced

Shift Value : ECO
GPU Core Clock : 1442MHz
GPU Memory Clock : 810MHz

Those values are not correct, if you use Sport mode or Turbo mode, the laptop overclocks the default clocks.

1442mhz is the minimum clock of 1070 gtx.

Maybe Dragon Gaming Center does not give you your max clock using those modes, while playing use GPU Z to check the clocks.

About the new video card that was replaced in the service center:
I overclocked 2 hours ago GPU upto 1900Mhz, memory upto 2102Mhz.
One hour in 3dmark - All ok. Played in hitman  about an hour  - everything is fine, there are no friezes.
Vbios - VBIOS 86.04.5B.00.8A (1645MHz).

Then I Flash  on vbios 86.04.56.00.3A (vbios from MSI website). Overclocking is off. in hitman GPU automate up to 1850MHz and ... Nvidea driver not answer. -HAHA.

I again Flash on VBIOS 86.04.5B.00.8A (1645MHz) - and everything works fine on overclocking: GPU upto 1900Mhz, memory upto 2102Mhz.

I already do not understand anything ....

Nevertheless, I can say thanks to MSI for the new graphics card.

Still wondering why MSI flash version 82 where BOOST to 1645MHz does not work?

There are no exact reason why this happen: one thing for sure, the gpu have some kind of HW malfunction

You have crashes with official VBIOS because it exceeeds 1900mhz many times, it goes up and down,

If you overclock with 8A, you get stable clock.

How tell me how is possible that there are laptops with 1070 GTX that works fine with original vbios? and our laptops dont?

Also,

You thank msi because they put in a defective GPU on your 2000€ laptop?

Thats strange mate...
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: street on 31-May-17, 19:17:26
One more thing WEB

Try to overclock to 1950mhz with 8A vbios and play Hitman for two hours, sometimes it doesnt crash at the start, you need to play more.

Also, run Ice Storm 5 times at 1950mhz with 8A vbios and tell me how it runs.

After all those tests, if everything is fine, overclock to 2000mhz with 8A vbios. 

Thank you

P.S

I used Turbo mode with 8A and my laptop still crashes.
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: shnyaps on 02-June-17, 22:40:20
Guys, please give me link to 86.04.5B.00.82 vbios
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: falkentyne on 03-June-17, 17:29:47
Where did 86.04.5B.00.82 come from?
I only know the recalled one that was crashing for everyone (That MSI removed): 86.04.5B.00.44.
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: keith.alford on 04-June-17, 01:23:19
I think someone pulled it from their machine after sending it for repair. Same as the "Chinese" VBIOS.
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: geoffrey.wong on 05-June-17, 09:35:57
I think someone pulled it from their machine after sending it for repair. Same as the "Chinese" VBIOS.

You mean this chinese VBIOS came from MSI? 
The owner of the laptop where this VBIOS was installed after repair, shared this VBIOS to everyone? And this owner happens to be chinese?
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: keith.alford on 05-June-17, 19:34:21
That's all I made out from what I've read between threads. I don't know for certain. I think if you put the Chinese site into google translate it gives that impression. And it's just referred to as the "Chinese VBIOS" because it was on a Chinese site.

It translates as;

"Own GT72-467 play the game has been a collapse of the drive problem,
Check the foreign forum to see some people with GTX1070 graphics GT series models have a similar problem,
Later, repair is found to refresh the VBIOS solution,
After the repair came back a few days did not appear again,
Looked really did VBIO has been refreshed,
I exported to VBIOS, have encountered the same problem can refresh try to see "
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: geoffrey.wong on 08-June-17, 15:12:03
I have the 86.04.5b.00.8a mentioned.

I use MSI Afterburner to boost Core Clock to 1897 MHz something, and it is fine. no crashes.
But as soon as I go beyond 1900 MHz, game crashes. 
So is that fine? I think the GTX 1070 have a maximum boost of until 1900MHz right? I read in some sites, that it seems 1900MHz for a GTX 1070 is its safe limit?
Does anyone agree?
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: street on 09-June-17, 04:22:48
I have the 86.04.5b.00.8a mentioned.

I use MSI Afterburner to boost Core Clock to 1897 MHz something, and it is fine. no crashes.
But as soon as I go beyond 1900 MHz, game crashes.
So is that fine? I think the GTX 1070 have a maximum boost of until 1900MHz right? I read in some sites, that it seems 1900MHz for a GTX 1070 is its safe limit?
Does anyone agree?

The maximum boost of 1070 is not 1900mhz, and if its reach the maximum clock it shouldnt crash, the card should downclock.

Something is wrong with this 1070 defective cards, simply as that.

Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: drathian777 on 10-June-17, 15:45:31
Thank you so much for this, it fixed a garbling issue (immediate reboot required) that I was having in a handful of games!
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: eludingone on 17-June-17, 06:36:08
THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!! I picked up this laptop just a few days ago and struggled with the crashes for a while. I contacted MSI support 4 times and they told me to update the VBIOS to the latest version on the website but this just made it worse! After a Successful VBIOS change to Version 86.04.5B.00.8A  EVERYTHING is working flawlessly! So glad I didn't try to RMA this over such a stupid issue. You guys are amazing.
LAPTOP: GT72VR 6RE Dominator Pro, GTX 1070, 120Hz G-Sync (Works with new VBIOS also)
I followed the instructions on this link (https://www.msi.com/files/pdf/VBIOS_flash_sop_for_Skylake.pdf) and it went off without a hitch!
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: Briarknit on 19-June-17, 20:09:23
I have a GT62VR with a 1070 that is having the same issues. It has the latest VBIOS but it is one of the ones manufactured in 2016 and the video driver crashes constantly when running benchmarks such as IceStorm (and other Unity, Unreal, etc engine games).

I understand that I can flash the 8A vbios as a workaround, but that is not a solution and it is not what I paid for. I put in a ticket with MSI last Friday specifically requesting an RMA for the laptop so they can replace the GPU with a newer revision of the 1070. My view is that I did not pay this much $ for a laptop just to have to gimp it with a VBIOS that disables GPU Boost (which is what I paid for).

Has anyone here who has gotten their laptop RMAd and GPU replaced for this issue have any insight into how long that process usually takes (still waiting on a reply for the original ticket).
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: falkentyne on 20-June-17, 03:05:27
Why is it not a solution?
you gain absolutely **ZERO** performance benefit by having the "normal" bios instead of the 8A Bios.
Do you know how automatic overclocking works?

It works by overclocking the card when the card is at *LOW LOAD*.  Low load=NO benefits to GPU bound benchmarks.
On the "fixed' cards, when the auto overclocking occurs past boost clocks. e.g. past 1883 mhz (1443->1643->+200), all that happens is the "VREL" (voltage reliability) throttle flag gets triggered, throttling the card in the low load situation (i saw it at 2000 mhz on a Valley screen when closing the benchmark).

For example, to prove this, I used the 8A Bios and the default Bios on my fully working card, in Valley benchmark, with the card overclocked to 200/300.
There was a <100 point difference between the two Bioses.

So just use the Bios and stop being manic depressive.  There is NO BENEFIT whatsoever to using the normal Bios.  NONE.  Except human ego.

Some people who also benchmark tested better than I do said the 8A Bios is more stable and has lower temps and less FPS variances than the stock Bios (on "fully working) cards.
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: Briarknit on 20-June-17, 17:50:42
Why is it not a solution?
you gain absolutely **ZERO** performance benefit by having the "normal" bios instead of the 8A Bios.
Do you know how automatic overclocking works?

It works by overclocking the card when the card is at *LOW LOAD*.  Low load=NO benefits to GPU bound benchmarks.
On the "fixed' cards, when the auto overclocking occurs past boost clocks. e.g. past 1883 mhz (1443->1643->+200), all that happens is the "VREL" (voltage reliability) throttle flag gets triggered, throttling the card in the low load situation (i saw it at 2000 mhz on a Valley screen when closing the benchmark).

For example, to prove this, I used the 8A Bios and the default Bios on my fully working card, in Valley benchmark, with the card overclocked to 200/300.
There was a <100 point difference between the two Bioses.

So just use the Bios and stop being manic depressive.  There is NO BENEFIT whatsoever to using the normal Bios.  NONE.  Except human ego.

Some people who also benchmark tested better than I do said the 8A Bios is more stable and has lower temps and less FPS variances than the stock Bios (on "fully working) cards.


I wasn't trying to sound "manic depressive" so I apologize if that's how it came off. However, the reason I didn't label it as a "solution" is due to a few reasons:


I don't want there to be hostility here. So on that note tonight when I get home from work I will go ahead and try this 8A VBIOS and compare my benchmarks to my default VBIOS and report back. If the performance difference is small enough that I can make up any differences with a custom overclock, I just might cancel the RMA.

falkentyne (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=281873.msg1630584#msg1630584), in the meantime can you run the IceStorm benchmark from 3DMark (if you have time today) on the 8A VBIOS and your default and tell me what your results are? I'm just curious :).
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: falkentyne on 20-June-17, 19:59:01
The Vbios was supplied by MSI in that region to a chinese user.  There were two Bioses released by msi custom.  One which disables all boost clocks (the one you do NOT WANT), and one which disables automatic overclocking PAST boost clocks (8A).
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: kenneth.berg on 21-June-17, 08:41:26
you gain absolutely **ZERO** performance benefit by having the "normal" bios instead of the 8A Bios.
For example, to prove this, I used the 8A Bios and the default Bios on my fully working card, in Valley benchmark, with the card overclocked to 200/300.
There was a <100 point difference between the two Bioses.


I dont think this is really true, you probably didnt overclock your fully working card to its max when comparing. I am using the 8A vbios and max core clock I can reach with overclock is 1845mhz before it crashes. People who got a fully working 1070 card can reach over 2000mhz with overclock. If I run firestrike I get 19k graphic score while most others with 1070 cards can reach AT LEAST 21k. Thats 10% performance lost due to the fact that defective 1070 cards cant go above 1845mhz.
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: falkentyne on 21-June-17, 09:07:34
I did overclock the card to the max on BOTH Bioses.  My testing is thorough.  I've been overclocking since 1996.  
I used +250 boost clock on both Bioses and ran Valley Benchmark.

Yes, the original Bios goes up to 2090 mhz, but when that happens, I get a GREEN "Voltage Reliability" throttle limitation.  it only goes up to 2000+ on LOW GPU usage.  That's "automatic overclocking."

On 8A, it stops at 1893 mhz.
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: maninthebox on 28-June-17, 20:17:09
Hey all.

I bought a MSI GT72VR 6RE 273XFR Dominator Pro, in a French online shop (RueDuCommerce / rueducommerce) ... Cause the price was very interesting, just as the GTX1070 included which is very, very powerful.

But same bad things as you guys... I had a lots of problems with this laptop !

My troubles :
1) It started to crash randomly, two weeks after the purchase, so it was too late to return it. I had the choice to call support; but hell I didn't want to do that, I just bought a gaming laptop, and so I already have to return it to the support ? No way...
2) Ghost recon Wildlands : hardware error on Windows makes the game crash randomly, go back to desktop... I saw that there were a lot of bugs in that game, particularly with gtx 1070... so, I thought it was optimization problem of the game, and not a problem with the laptop... But I was wrong.
3) Total war warhammer : hardware error on Windows makes the game crash randomly, go back to desktop. Same :censored: .
4) Final Fantasy XII : couldn't play in fullscreen or with some options... Those options made the game crash too.. I just could play the game on windowed mode and some options deactivated. Still, thought zbout optimization of the game / nvidia drivers, but BEEEEEEP ! You wrong !!!
4 ) Often, the PC suddenly shutdown, where I didn't plug the electrical plug... I mean, even if the battery sill had power in it ! Sometimes, the LED of the battery showed me there were an error (orange color), and I couldn't even restart the laptop... Even if I still had more than 85% battery life... I thought it could be a problem with the battery then... But I was wrong, again.
5) Also, some random crash when browsing the web,
6) Sometimes, some other applications, like the Dragon Center, just crashed, didn't know why..

What I've done (and didn't change anything) :
1) Reinstall Windows 10
2) Install newest NVidia drivers
3) Uninstall NVidia drivers and reinstall NVidia Drivers with the version given by the MSI support
4) Uninstall MSI softwares... (Dragon Player, but also softwares like Nahimic). Yeah, during a while, I thought Dragon Center were the problem... But still, I was wrong.
5) Disable all services at Windows startup...
6) Disable overcloking
7) Turn on fans with the Cooler Booster mode all the time, so that temperatures could be lower.. Honestly, temperatures are really not a problem with this laptop, MSI did a beautiful work with temps, even while gaming with overclocking and with 35°C outside
8) Update the BIOS via MSI Support
9) Changing options in game at a lower graphics
10) and more...

And then, I saw that topic... The "chinese BIOS" that saved a lot of you ! :D

I installed the "chinese" BIOS (8A), link given in previous post : https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B15_BuSjR26WV0NrbldGVzhlWnc/view
I followed those instructions to install the BIOS, link given in previous post : https://www.msi.com/files/pdf/VBIOS_flash_sop_for_Skylake.pdf

What changed for me ? Well, everything !
1) No more crashes since I've put that bios (since 1 or 2 weeks).
2) Ghost recon Wildlands : works perfectly now, even on ultra, no more crashes
3) Total war warhammer : no more crashes either
4) FF XII works perfectly, with all options, and now even on fullscreen.
4 ) I can work easily without the electrical cable, no more shutdown, no more strange things with the battery, no more orange color for the battery LED ! I now have 3 hours of battery life on ECO mode, as I could expected when buyingthe laptop.
5) No more crash browsing the web either
6) Also, I think the temperatures are better than with the original BIOS, and I have a better overclocking now (better frequencies on sport mode). Better FPS on games, and better score on 3DMark (highest at 13608 for the FireStrike test with Turbo Mode on max settings).

=> It is unacceptable from MSI. All this mess were due to the MSI team that didn't care about having just a :censored: working BIOS for a laptop at about 2000$. So, I don't know if I will buy a MSI Laptop later, in a few years (I hope !), when I will have to replace... It will depend on how long that laptop will live... If it really worth it.I think yes, cause now, really, it is VERY powerful, temps are low even in game, sound is really good too... That laptop is really, really great, and thanks for that MSI... But please, listen to your customers !! And make better tests before selling a laptop !
=> Thank you for all of you, the creator of this thread, the people that gave links, and also people who made a reply to say that it's working perfectly now with this BIOS (and then, so do I)... All the replies really helped me to make it despite the risks.

Have a good gaming ! :-)
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: fadi.bejjani.10 on 29-June-17, 23:34:44
Where did 86.04.5B.00.82 come from?
I only know the recalled one that was crashing for everyone (That MSI removed): 86.04.5B.00.44.
Hi, I was checking for driver updates as usual https://www.msi.com/Laptop/support/GT72VR-7RE-Dominator-Pro.html#down-firmware and noticed that a VBIOS update was present in the firmware section that wasn't there before although the date of the VBIOS update is 2017-04-13 and it is this version you are talking about 86.04.5B.00.44.
My current VBIOS Version is: 86.04.31.00.0d,8388608 so I randomly googled the 86.04.5B.00.44 to be sure it's a newer one and found this thread and as I am reading you are saying that this VBIOS version causes problems? So should I keep my 86.04.31.00.0d and ignore the 86.04.5B.00.44? Can you please explain to me in detail why this update appeared suddenly and if it is better to do it or worse and why? Thanks.
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: falkentyne on 30-June-17, 00:36:25
No one knows what that .44 Bios does yet.
It was posted there two months ago for like a few days, then removed suddenly.  There were reports that some laptops were not working or booting with it or something.  Now it's up there again.
I still have the original download from 2 months ago.  Even though the zip file size is different now, the raw binary Bios file is byte for byte identical, including the original date, so nothing was changed.  I see no reason for anyone to flash it.
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: fadi.bejjani.10 on 30-June-17, 18:03:16
I contacted the MSI support and that's what they said :"Please don't update the VBIOS. The error is caused by the website editing because these two days MSI Official website is in the re-layout, and the background staff is updating the website to newer version.Now this VBIOS is removed from website."
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: cuneyt1984mail on 05-July-17, 07:26:31
I have GT72VR 6RE.
I ask the question to Msi Technical Application Department.
I downloaded the Vbios software number 86.04.5B.00.44 from your site the other day.But currently there is no site. Why was it removed from the site? Is there a problem with this vbios software? You have a Vbios number of 86.04.31.00.0D on your site. The other day I installed vbios software on my computer at number 86.04.5B.00.44. Do I have to re-install vbios software number 86.04.31.00.0D now? Thanks.

They sent me this answer.
Hello,
No,please continue using your current version 86.04.5B.00.44,there is no need to reinstall 86.04.31.00.0D version.

Best Regards,
MSI Notebook Technical Application Department

Note:The new version vbios.
http://download.msi.com/archive/frm_exe/nb/86.04.5B.00.44.zip
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: zfxbross on 26-July-17, 12:24:23
I've had a major problem. All games breaks after several minutes of play. Ghost Recon Wildlands couldn't last more than 10-15 seconds. I've flashed vBios with these 86.04.5B.00.8A chineese one, and it helped. My laptop runs at Turbo mode with nothing to hold it back. No overheating no glithches, nothing. For two months I've tried to solve this problem, thank you guys!
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: kuler1992 on 20-September-17, 21:49:13
I've had a major problem. All games breaks after several minutes of play. Ghost Recon Wildlands couldn't last more than 10-15 seconds. I've flashed vBios with these 86.04.5B.00.8A chineese one, and it helped. My laptop runs at Turbo mode with nothing to hold it back. No overheating no glithches, nothing. For two months I've tried to solve this problem, thank you guys!

Hello!
Also the problem with crashing games, GTA5, WOT, Diablo 3, BF1 and Open Beta Destiny 2.
Notebook GT62VR 6RE, vBios 86.04.31.00.0D.
I understand that the problem is in excess of factory frequencies 1445-1645MHz.
There's no overclocking, SHIFT mode - Sport/Comfort mode.
You say that vBios 86.04.5B.00.8A solves the problem, the official warranty is lost?
Is there an official vBios firmware that fixes the problem?
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: falkentyne on 21-September-17, 01:05:39
There is no 'official' bios except 8A, because this bug is caused by a hardware fault on the card itself, with voltages of 1.013v and higher.  These voltages are only available in "Boost 2" automatic overclocking speeds (past the limit of boost 1 clocks).
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: miguel_angelrv on 31-October-17, 03:44:06
Does anyone got the nvidia GPU replaced in the RMA? or they are just using the vbios with the GPU clock limited to 1446 MHz?
Got the same problem here....
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: miguel_angelrv on 31-October-17, 04:42:15
Looks like this problem only affect the GPU manufactured in 2016 which have are1070 v1.0 the GPUs with the 2017 1070 GPU is using version 1.2 and with the 0d vbios.

Only these two vbios work fine with defective laptops: .82 (limit to 1443mhz) or .8A (1650mhz limit)

Some people could send the laptop to RMA to replace the GPU to 1.2 version (2017) I will try to do it.
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: kirkov_alex on 16-January-18, 10:02:27
=> It is unacceptable from MSI. All this mess were due to the MSI team that didn't care about having just a :censored: working BIOS for a laptop at about 2000$. So, I don't know if I will buy a MSI Laptop later, in a few years (I hope !), when I will have to replace... It will depend on how long that laptop will live... If it really worth it.I think yes, cause now, really, it is VERY powerful, temps are low even in game, sound is really good too... That laptop is really, really great, and thanks for that MSI... But please, listen to your customers !! And make better tests before selling a laptop !
=> Thank you for all of you, the creator of this thread, the people that gave links, and also people who made a reply to say that it's working perfectly now with this BIOS (and then, so do I)... All the replies really helped me to make it despite the risks.

Have a good gaming ! :-)
 
Yes. it's really unacceptable from such a great company. but with laptops of other companies there are more horrified problems because of bios. they just burned off. without any jokes. heard about that "problem" for Asus ROG and Alienware laptops. 
So as i think, better buy laptop with such a problem as crashing and got fix from friendly people on forum, than see your laptop aflame =)
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: Amaella on 17-January-18, 02:22:30
I am happy to say my laptop is completely problem-free in respect to gpu so far. Could change with time, idk. But if I had to choose, I would rather not see my card boost so high than CPU going to 100 degrees celsius and thermal throttle. Or have it die soon due to heat... I see many laptops aside from the gt series that have bad overheating problems with cpu, rendering it useless. I mean if it overheats during games, what would happen if rendering a video, probably catch on fire as the person before said.... I'd go for MSI any day again just for the damn cooling and easy access to internals. You knew asuses had to be disassembled down to bare motherboard in other to repaste....?
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: johan.aslund on 18-January-18, 07:39:27
Hi,

I have had my MSI GT72VR 6RE for a little over a year now, and has been one of the worst laptop buys I have made considering the hefty price tag I payed for it believing I got a class A product. 

Constant frame drops and and some random crashes now and then, plus the battery which recently gave up also... Never had a battery in laptop die before... Also the Wifi was "%¤&""/%¤"/&¤"¤ nightmare in the beginning since the drivers weren't mature for Win10 and made the Wifi just dissapear.
I have tried everything and one of the largest crooks has been the Nahimic sound. This allmost elliminated the frame drops.

Now I finally found this chineese VBIOS and tried it and now I get super smooth performance, but when I browse this thread I understand that if the computer works fine with the .8A VBIOS my card is most likely deffective? My laptop is one of the first (bought 2016), so the chance is big that mine really has a deffective GPU, only problem is I don't think I can be without the laptop for a month while having it sent away for RMA...

Too bad MSI screwed up these laptops so hard otherwise my next laptop would surely be a MSI....
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: Amaella on 18-January-18, 10:43:14
Yeah the gpu's on some of the first models were no good with high voltage, which causes crashes. The .8A vbios keeps voltage low. There should also be tweaks you can do in msi afterburner to achieve this with the custom voltage/frequency curve I believe but tbh I don't know how to use that. My laptop is special since it comes with the 6820HK processor but is still the GT72VR model. It should be a late 2016 model, but thankfully does not suffer from the gpu thing. Seeing how many laptops were sold, I think that it's just the minority that is affected however. Otherwise they would have to recall or release the .8A vbios officially. Tbh, you don't lose out with the lower frequency as I am on the .0D official one for my model and my GPU in very demanding games stays around 1600 anyway due to power limit. There is some chance your card will deteriorate with time and even the .8A vbios won't do anymore, that happened to few people (I emphasize few - which probably means the chance is very low).
Which version of nahimic are/were you running that caused frame drops? I have 0 issues with the 2.3.20 version with driver 6.0.1.8166. I find newer ones to have lower audio quality, somewhat less depth to the sound. Older versions on the other hand sometimes crackle.
As for wifi, do you have the killer suite installed? That usually seems to be the culprit. There are "drivers only" versions on the killernetworking.com website. You should look into that, my wifi has been good to me and pretty fast after getting rid of the msi drivers and suite (at first it was literally unusable).
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: johan.aslund on 19-January-18, 09:52:33
I'm I have tried all Nahimic versions, including the latest soundcard drivers. As soon as I uninstall Nahimic 2 allmost all framedrops is gone. Too bad since the laptop sounds really bad without Nahimic, but since I use an external monitor the absence of Nahimic is a none issue. Is Nahimic 2 CPU-dependant? Mayby it's some kind of CPU throttleing?

Anyway I will probably send the computer away for an RMA when I'm close to the 2y warrenty to end, since I will probably have gotten a new computer by then (not an MSI for sure).....
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: prodigy007 on 08-February-18, 13:24:58
Hello. I'm from Russia. I have a laptop MSI GT73VR 6RE gtx 1070. The laptop turned off in games with a load higher with the BIOS of the video card from the download section 3A when the frequency exceeded 1845, I asked for the video card with the Chinese BIOS 8A and the laptop worked perfectly at 1645 MHz! In the dragon center, I added the clock in turbo mode to 1845 MHz and my video card worked just fine, but I still after half a year gave the laptop to the service center and asked to replace the video card. The laptop was a series of 2016 H1608. I was replaced with a card, but there was a bios of 86.04.5B.00.82 and the maximum card frequency in the boost was 1443MHz, then I called the service master and together we asked for a card for version 3A, I ran the game, added acceleration in the dragon center and the card worked perfectly for frequency of 2050MHz !!! Now I'm completely happy !!!:)
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: jalado86 on 04-June-18, 06:52:07
hi is there anybody who has the 86.04.20.00.14 vbios?
Title: Re: [GT] VBIOS for NVIDIA GTX 1070
Post by: hightone.alex on 22-March-19, 17:47:37
A BIG THANK YOU !!!

After days and weeks of searching and reinstalling everything, windows, drivers, bios, everything many times.
I even changed the thermal paste, and gave a good clean to the ventilators !!

My MSI GT72VR 6RE Dominator Pro (with 1070 inside) doesnt crash anymore !!!
Downclocking with MSI Afterburner is not enough !

Flashing the BIOS is THE solution for now,  the gpu core is now running 1442 mhz or 1645mhz if boosted.

Again thanks for the solution !!

I copy paste here what worked for me :

I installed the "chinese" BIOS (8A), link given in previous post : https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B15_BuSjR26WV0NrbldGVzhlWnc/view (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B15_BuSjR26WV0NrbldGVzhlWnc/view)
I followed those instructions to install the BIOS, link given in previous post : https://www.msi.com/files/pdf/VBIOS_flash_sop_for_Skylake.pdf (https://www.msi.com/files/pdf/VBIOS_flash_sop_for_Skylake.pdf)



 (https://www.msi.com/files/pdf/VBIOS_flash_sop_for_Skylake.pdf)