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Title: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: RemusM on 14-March-17, 09:00:23
Because the entire MSI forum is bloated with topics related to AMD Ryzen CPUs and B350 motherboards.

1) The XMP (overclocking) profiles have been designed by Intel for the Intel CPUs.
They are not even guaranteed by Intel to work on any Intel CPU.
Trying to make them work on the AMD CPUs is gambling.

2) At these moment these are the memory configs & speeds guaranteed by AMD for their Ryzen CPUs:
1866 MHz for 4 DIMMs in dual channel and dual rank.
2133 MHz for 4 DIMMs in dual channel and single rank.
2400 MHz for 2 DIMMs in dual channel and dual rank.
2666 MHz for 2 DIMMs in dual channel and single rank.
Anything above that is gambling.

:beerchug:
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 14-March-17, 12:10:46
Stickied. Thanks RemusM! :)

Things that can improve support : 
1. Increase NB voltage. Increase by +0.05 to +0.1V to see if system will boot with higher speed
2. Stick to good, name brands. Corsair, Crucial, Samsung will provide the best results.

I'll attempt to update this as time goes on and other ways to improve it are suggested.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: dylangutt1 on 14-March-17, 13:39:45
I have tried setting my dual channel memory (rated at 2666) to 2400 MHz manually to no avail. I assume it's trying dual rank.
I have not tired the dual channel to 2666 at a single rank, is this a change in the bios I can change?
I just assumed it was a BIOS issue in regards to the memory, considering XMP was off. Do I need to change the voltage much if I am changing the frequency? It's usually at 1.2v.
The only way it boots successfully on my B350 Tomahawk is 2133 MHz in dual channel mode. 2T. (Default)
When changing these, the computer fails to post with a series of beeps.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: flobelix on 14-March-17, 18:07:18
Single or dual rank is no setting... It is the internal structure of the memory module and can of course not be changed:  https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-single-rank-and-dual-rank-memory (https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-single-rank-and-dual-rank-memory)
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: bryankearns on 16-March-17, 03:29:29
Just a comment regarding Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200 and my Ryzen 1800x/X370 Carbon.

It will not run at anything but 1866 Mhz

CORSAIR Vengeance LPX 32GB (4 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) Desktop Memory Model CMK32GX4M4B3200C14R
As I am far from a DRAM expert, would those of you folks who are better informed than I suggest that I just hang tight and hopefully a BIOS update will help?

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: mfeinberg01 on 16-March-17, 04:14:51
https://www.techpowerup.com/231518/amd-shares-details-on-ryzen-ddr4-memory-support-and-upcoming-am4-updates

NB voltages bumped up to 1.0-1.15 have shown to improve stability at higher data rates

Keep CAS at a multiple of 2

If running 4 sticks don't expect to post above 2400 until memory updates for BIOS are available (estimated in April from what has been posted).

Single ranks DIMMs with Samsung IC's are said to have the best compatibility so far.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: michaelinside on 16-March-17, 21:05:46
I've noticed when going from 2400Mhz to 2666Mhz the command rate jumps from 2T to 1T, with no way to change it. This might be another reason why getting the xmp timings is difficult. I'm currently running my kit at 1.35v 2666 Mhz Cl14-14-14-34-63-1T. That's 2x16Gb of F4-3200C14-16GTZ 2rank.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: imwechs on 17-March-17, 05:39:58
I've noticed when going from 2400Mhz to 2666Mhz the command rate jumps from 2T to 1T, with no way to change it. This might be another reason why getting the xmp timings is difficult. I'm currently running my kit at 1.35v 2666 Mhz Cl14-14-14-34-63-1T. That's 2x16Gb of F4-3200C14-16GTZ 2rank.
I am doubt full of your claims, I tried two such dimms over a week ago and could not get higher than 2133.  Now I have tried two 8GB single rank dimms and I do not get over 2400mhz. That is on the Titanium X370.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: mfeinberg01 on 17-March-17, 12:48:49
There are multiple reports of people easily achieving DDR4-3200 speeds with only 2 single sided DIMMS, but the specific IC's matter - Samsung chips seem to perform best. XMP profiles are not reliable. Probably best to disable and manually configure your ram settings.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: jonrevis1985 on 17-March-17, 16:31:49
Is there any way I can attempt to go above 3200Mhz, Whe I purchased the motherboard I was promised 3200Mhz OC+.

I'm running Stable at 3200Mhz on my Corsair Dominator Platinum Special Edition (Chrome) but I really want to be able to test higher frequencies.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 17-March-17, 16:45:02
Is there any way I can attempt to go above 3200Mhz, Whe I purchased the motherboard I was promised 3200Mhz OC+.

I'm running Stable at 3200Mhz on my Corsair Dominator Platinum Special Edition (Chrome) but I really want to be able to test higher frequencies.

When AMD supports more than 3200. At this time, AMD has hard limited everyone to 3200. So until AMD updates, 3200 is the most you can get.

Don't ask me when that will happen. I have zero control over it, and I have zero insight into when it will happen with AMD, much less when MSI will put the update out.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: michaelinside on 17-March-17, 18:33:53
Posted a screenshot for proof. It's on a Tomahawk board with 1.15 bios
<a href="http://s132.photobucket.com/user/creamylord/media/Cpuid%20Ram.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q29/creamylord/Cpuid%20Ram.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo Cpuid Ram.jpg"/>[/url]
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: wmmunn on 17-March-17, 18:34:36
I have experience failures of G.Skill Trident Z RGB memory kits twice now on my ryzen builds. First one was with an asrock fatal1ty professional gaming board, and a 32gb 4 module kit of g.kill trident z rgb memory. second time was with my MSI x370 titanium.

both times the ram initially operated properly, however when you attempt to change the speed from the default, it will run windows exactly once, then on the next boot it will fail to post and then the stick is dead.

I have also seen a few reviewers on Youtube suffer the exact same problems. Seems G.Skill has some serious quality issues with the RGB kits on the ryzen platform. Whatever is going on, it's not good.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 17-March-17, 18:38:40
I have experience failures of G.Skill Trident Z RGB memory kits twice now on my ryzen builds. First one was with an asrock fatal1ty professional gaming board, and a 32gb 4 module kit of g.kill trident z rgb memory. second time was with my MSI x370 titanium.

both times the ram initially operated properly, however when you attempt to change the speed from the default, it will run windows exactly once, then on the next boot it will fail to post and then the stick is dead.

I have also seen a few reviewers on Youtube suffer the exact same problems. Seems G.Skill has some serious quality issues with the RGB kits on the ryzen platform. Whatever is going on, it's not good.

Trust me, it's not just the Ryzen platform. Its' the same for Intel platforms as well. That memory is cheaper for a reason......
I don't know why, but G.Skill has been problematic on all DDR4 platforms.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: RemusM on 18-March-17, 08:04:25
both times the ram initially operated properly, however when you attempt to change the speed from the default, it will run windows exactly once,
then on the next boot it will fail to post and then the stick is dead.

Overclocking and overvolting are faulty activities.
For 4 memory modules with Ryzen CPUs, AMD guarantees 2133MHz and nothing more.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: overclockit on 18-March-17, 13:38:59
I'm confused. I bought the B350 Tomahawk for my 1700 because it stated it would support up to 3200MHz but I'm only able to run it up to 2667Mhz at this time using the recommended ram according to the MSI compatibility list which is the Corsair Vengeance LPX. Is the issue related to AMD or a BIOS fix? There are other manufacturers that people are using who are able to run 3200MHz as advertised. If it's not going to be supported in a future update I'm returning it but need an answer. You guys ares saying it's on AMD but AMD is saying it's on you guys so which is it?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 18-March-17, 14:04:04
I'm confused. I bought the B350 Tomahawk for my 1700 because it stated it would support up to 3200MHz but I'm only able to run it up to 2667Mhz at this time using the recommended ram according to the MSI compatibility list which is the Corsair Vengeance LPX. Is the issue related to AMD or a BIOS fix? There are other manufacturers that people are using who are able to run 3200MHz as advertised. If it's not going to be supported in a future update I'm returning it but need an answer. You guys ares saying it's on AMD but AMD is saying it's on you guys so which is it?

AMD officially supports what is listed in the first post. Anything more is overclocking. Period. ie it is NOT GUARANTEED to work. 

Some people can run their systems at 3200 MHz. They manually tuned the system voltages and memory to get those speeds. MANUALLY.

Things have changed from the olden days, where things 'just worked'. It isn't like that anymore. If you want to hit those speeds, you'll need to manually set the timing according to your RAM, as well as changing the system voltages to match it and allow those speeds.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: mfeinberg01 on 18-March-17, 15:13:34
I'm confused. I bought the B350 Tomahawk for my 1700 because it stated it would support up to 3200MHz but I'm only able to run it up to 2667Mhz at this time using the recommended ram according to the MSI compatibility list which is the Corsair Vengeance LPX. Is the issue related to AMD or a BIOS fix? There are other manufacturers that people are using who are able to run 3200MHz as advertised. If it's not going to be supported in a future update I'm returning it but need an answer. You guys ares saying it's on AMD but AMD is saying it's on you guys so which is it?

In addition to what has been stated, AMD is *working* on improving memory compatibility and performance but we have no guarantees beyond what AMD has already published. We *expect* it will improve but have to wait and see.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: overclockit on 18-March-17, 16:50:38
AMD officially supports what is listed in the first post. Anything more is overclocking. Period. ie it is NOT GUARANTEED to work.

Some people can run their systems at 3200 MHz. They manually tuned the system voltages and memory to get those speeds. MANUALLY.

Things have changed from the olden days, where things 'just worked'. It isn't like that anymore. If you want to hit those speeds, you'll need to manually set the timing according to your RAM, as well as changing the system voltages to match it and allow those speeds.

I've been building and Overclocking Intel and AMD computers for over 2 decades so I'm aware of MANUALLY changing settings.
 
But if it's NOT GUARANTEED to work as stated right on the box it's a bit misleading especially for the less tech savvy people out there. My guess is they'll get it working as advertised on the box eventually. I mean we are all here on this forum because of the same related issues unless I should just call MSI support from here on out and link to this thread for reference.

The box clearly states support for DDR4 3200OC and you guys get upset when we ask why it's not working as advertised or if you know if it will indeed be supported. I don't think I'm in the wrong for asking especially being a long time customer loyal to the MSI brand.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/DuZX0ti4xKKimfZuxCBPRnP1G4S6Kq4bW4g6GAPKZ62qKkIqmZqhCh0bOjoff-SMj_l27hPqVxt4trGF5P03Aq3BP6TLlukpIt5rpa_bpVwXDfwTFHRO0PAtUUlb-g6T8iyy46siI7a8cM214_LvM1zV_OS4e_ulDlvfAx31SmhKNuNUBP9IC3_aDWNIeP6TXcgFQ1Yd-aolLgMVzEh1xxu3QfWxYzeTrY5QYFfXYRzkptX0s0YzYW2RShMQ1qkWWgLojr4bhWDsWMozJgzbBPYm8DBraBTNfsHPuqehDvWrk0qvwPZ94erNwVbTZ-sO-TvmvCz8kDpapjmEaTl-4xr8As6IU1GrqhtkzTnu-U6UDzIuhize0OGO5Tz_KC0daQWaeECMq5ZY0H_BSCSoZzvcKKaGd7pKyEezGETljPqBcLF1vpZXQLQl2CjkZw5gHb7oYDH-t9i-ASFIylCuoXTZ5WbWy46LG-x7vefWdtxHIYyRR0HrAkOOXWH-mgiQnlnE2IzWmuwE806QFXUOQJCNUdaZmPht4YhqqA4EV2RsttusRLyM-ycnh8dwh08CeKt9pq1v15VZrdijXjZruT6oK0ZnVo1zjHOw1itYD-z_e6iI94Dx=w2284-h773-no)
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: RemusM on 18-March-17, 17:17:18
I've been building and Overclocking Intel and AMD computers for over 2 decades so I'm aware of MANUALLY changing settings.
The box clearly states support for DDR4 3200OC

If so, you should know that "supported my motherboard" and "supported by CPU" are two very different things.

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B350-TOMAHAWK.html#productSpecification-section

• 4 x DDR4 memory slots, support up to 64GB
 - Supports DDR4 1866/ 2133/ 2400/ 2667(OC)/ 2933(OC)/ 3200(OC)+ Mhz *
 • Dual channel memory architecture
 * 7th Gen A-series/ Athlon ™ processors support up to 2400 MHz
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: overclockit on 18-March-17, 17:34:08
If so, you should know that "supported my motherboard" and "supported by CPU" are two very different things.

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B350-TOMAHAWK.html#productSpecification-section

• 4 x DDR4 memory slots, support up to 64GB
 - Supports DDR4 1866/ 2133/ 2400/ 2667(OC)/ 2933(OC)/ 3200(OC)+ Mhz *
 • Dual channel memory architecture
 * 7th Gen A-series/ Athlon ™ processors support up to 2400 MHz


You left out the Ryzen part. If you're job isn't to actually provide technical support I'd rather not have you comment on my threads anymore. I'll be calling MSI and emailing the Cooperate office and filling a complaint about the help I've received here. It's ridiculous to say the least.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: RemusM on 18-March-17, 17:40:08
You left out the Ryzen part. Is it your jobs as Moderators to argue and prove people wrong here instead of actually moderating and being useful? If you're job isn't to actually provide technical support I'd rather not have you comment on my threads anymore. I'll be calling MSI and emailing the Cooperate office and filling a complaint about the help I've received here. It's ridiculous to say the least.

Not at all.
Read again (carefully) my posted messages.
You continue to talk about faulty activities in the wrong forum section.
For future please use the right section if you want to run your CPU out of specs.
:gg:
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: overclockit on 18-March-17, 17:50:56
Not at all.
Read again (carefully) my posted messages.
You continue to talk about faulty activities in the wrong forum section.
For future please use the right section if you want to run your CPU out of specs.
:gg:

Do you work for MSI?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: flobelix on 18-March-17, 18:11:25
Quite odd question but no, Remus M is a user like you. This is a forum and not MSI tech support. Even the moderators are no MSI staff.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: overclockit on 18-March-17, 18:23:45
Quite odd question but no, Remus M is a user like you. This is a forum and not MSI tech support. Even the moderators are no MSI staff.

Oh I see. Been posting and wasting my time here then. Take care.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 18-March-17, 21:28:14
I've been building and Overclocking Intel and AMD computers for over 2 decades so I'm aware of MANUALLY changing settings.
 
But if it's NOT GUARANTEED to work as stated right on the box it's a bit misleading especially for the less tech savvy people out there. My guess is they'll get it working as advertised on the box eventually. I mean we are all here on this forum because of the same related issues unless I should just call MSI support from here on out and link to this thread for reference.

The box clearly states support for DDR4 3200OC and you guys get upset when we ask why it's not working as advertised or if you know if it will indeed be supported. I don't think I'm in the wrong for asking especially being a long time customer loyal to the MSI brand.
It's quite clear you're not understanding, no matter how someone explains it to you. 

Does the CPU support it? Yes.
Does the board support it? Yes.
Have you set it up properly? Apparently not. Others have managed to get it to work properly. So obviously the motherboard and CPU support it. Maybe your memory doesn't? Maybe you just aren't using the correct settings? We really don't know. But coming here and getting mad, and harassing users and moderators about your 'experience of over 2 decades' (most of the mods experience eclipse that....so it means very little at all to us) isn't going to change your problems, or fix it. 
We are here to help, but getting hostile is a one way street to being removed.
We would gladly help, but with little to no information, other than complaining, there is very little we can suggest.
Not only that, this is hardly the place to do it. I really suggest opening up your own thread and explaining it there.

Lastly, RemusM is a memory expert. Much more knowledgeable than many when it comes to memory and memory support, especially in regards to AMD systems.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: imwechs on 18-March-17, 22:45:27
Because the entire MSI forum is bloated with topics related to AMD Ryzen CPUs and B350 motherboards.

1) The XMP (overclocking) profiles have been designed by Intel for the Intel CPUs.
They are not even guaranteed by Intel to work on any Intel CPU.
Trying to make them work on the AMD CPUs is gambling.

2) At these moment these are the memory configs & speeds guaranteed by AMD for their Ryzen CPUs:
1866 MHz for 4 DIMMs in dual channel and dual rank.
2133 MHz for 4 DIMMs in dual channel and single rank.
2400 MHz for 2 DIMMs in dual channel and dual rank.
2666 MHz for 2 DIMMs in dual channel and single rank.
Anything above that is gambling.

:beerchug:

Well with the 1.27 beta bios I have 4 single rank dimms running stable at 2400 mhz.Thet are Corsair Dominator Platinum 8GB dimms I out framvoltage at 1.35 volts enabled extra overclock protection on voltage .Ialsohave a stable 3.7 GHZ overclock on all cores. Perhaps I will try to raise it to 3.8GHZ,as I have an excellent  liquid cooler,an AlphacoolEisbahr 360. It has a large,but thin 360mm copper radiator. My Cinebench R15 scores are through the roof. 98.4 fps, 1610  for CPU,and 855 single core. I also have a 2GB ramdisk that I use to accelerate Firefox and copy dvd programs to and then install them almost instantly avoiding slow DVD installs because of their poor access times..
  If I could only get MSI to iron  out iwindows installation problems from the m.2 NVME slot formy Samsung 950 PRO drive.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: jonrevis1985 on 19-March-17, 00:23:55
I'm having a great experience with my 960 Pro, in fact that's the one piece of hardware that hasn't had any issues on this build.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: Riptide on 19-March-17, 00:30:41
Everything has worked well for me other than Trident Z 2x8GB CL14 modules that aren't on the QVL for the Tomahawk so I have them clocked down for now.  Figure I'll be patient and wait a few months before I give up on it.  I knew this was more or less a Beta test I was getting myself into.  MSI deserves some time to work on memory compatibility.  Hoping my modules are eventually good for at least 3000 on this motherboard.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: RemusM on 19-March-17, 07:39:00
Well with the 1.27 beta bios I have 4 single rank dimms running stable at 2400 mhz.
Thet are Corsair Dominator Platinum 8GB dimms

:biggthumbsup:
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: jellewolters on 20-March-17, 09:36:51
Hello,

I hope I can receive some help here. I bought this kit: https://www.gskill.com/en/product/f4-3200c16d-8gvkb It was on sale and RAM prices were going up. This was before all the RAM stuff came out, so I figured why not? Guess that was a bad choice in the end.

I have a x370 MSI GAMING PRO CARBON. I can't get these to run at their advertised speed, no matter what I try. XMP on, off, manually entering timings, trying to add a bit of voltage, nothing. The max I can get them to do is 2400MHz. 

Any advice for me? Should I try and sell this kit and get something else? I'm pretty bummed out. I know I shouldn't have bought the kit, before Ryzen came out. It's not on the QVL list of the board either, but new ones are being added though... 

I figured I'd be okay, because the board does support 3200 MHz RAM. Does that mean these sticks will be supported if I just wait it out? Any rough ETA?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 20-March-17, 11:22:46
Hello,

I hope I can receive some help here. I bought this kit: https://www.gskill.com/en/product/f4-3200c16d-8gvkb It was on sale and RAM prices were going up. This was before all the RAM stuff came out, so I figured why not? Guess that was a bad choice in the end.

I have a x370 MSI GAMING PRO CARBON. I can't get these to run at their advertised speed, no matter what I try. XMP on, off, manually entering timings, trying to add a bit of voltage, nothing. The max I can get them to do is 2400MHz.

Any advice for me? Should I try and sell this kit and get something else? I'm pretty bummed out. I know I shouldn't have bought the kit, before Ryzen came out. It's not on the QVL list of the board either, but new ones are being added though...

I figured I'd be okay, because the board does support 3200 MHz RAM. Does that mean these sticks will be supported if I just wait it out? Any rough ETA?

Here's the thing. You could hold out and hope that AMD/MSI or maybe G.Skill provides some help or an update to make them work at 3200 MHz. 
You could sell them, and get something a bit better (and more expensive) in the HOPES that it works at 3200 MHz like you want.
Or you could just be happy with 2400MHz. 
Personally, the jump in 'speed' relative to 2400 MHz to 3200 MHz is maybe 10% in the BEST cases, but most likely that won't be realized in most use-cases. I'd be happy it works, and it runs at 2400 MHz.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: jellewolters on 20-March-17, 12:20:50
Here's the thing. You could hold out and hope that AMD/MSI or maybe G.Skill provides some help or an update to make them work at 3200 MHz.
You could sell them, and get something a bit better (and more expensive) in the HOPES that it works at 3200 MHz like you want.
Or you could just be happy with 2400MHz.
Personally, the jump in 'speed' relative to 2400 MHz to 3200 MHz is maybe 10% in the BEST cases, but most likely that won't be realized in most use-cases. I'd be happy it works, and it runs at 2400 MHz.

I feel like an idiot running 3200MHz at 2400Mhz though. I could've saved some money and bought 2400MHz RAM then. Not to mention the board states 3200MHz is supported. I don't mind it not being supported at launch, but I do hope it'll be supported in the near future.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: mfeinberg01 on 20-March-17, 12:41:17
I feel like an idiot running 3200MHz at 2400Mhz though. I could've saved some money and bought 2400MHz RAM then. Not to mention the board states 3200MHz is supported. I don't mind it not being supported at launch, but I do hope it'll be supported in the near future.

Rated memory speed is simply the *maximum* supported speed. Not unlike a freeway with a 75MPH speed limit where most people may be stuck doing 55 due to traffic (yes, imperfect analogy). I bought DDR3200 to give me extra headroom to make 2400 easier to achieve with the hope of eventually reaching 3200 (at the time AMD had only confirmed DDR4-2400 support). I actually could reach 3200 if I dropped down to 2 DIMMs from what I am seeing from others who use the same memory, but I would rather have the 32GB (not that I need it at this moment, but I do occasional video editing). The speed drop really doesn't matter to me. As already noted, the actual real-world impact is rarely significant. Now, that being said, the new Ryzen architecture is unique in that the actual memory *clock* speed does directly impact the IMC and Infinity Fabric, but the impact on anything other than benchmarks again isn't likely to be significant.

Also, it's not unusual to get better IC's in higher rated DIMMs. It is quite possible DDR4-2400 DIMMs may not even reach that rate on the AMD platform if they use lower quality IC's with worse compatibility. Some benchmarks I have seen (early after the Ryzen release) showed AMD memory bandwidth at >95% efficiency versus ~75% efficiency for Intel (I would assume this relates to the integrated IMC on Ryzen).
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: jellewolters on 20-March-17, 13:11:39
The speed drop really doesn't matter to me. As already noted, the actual real-world impact is rarely significant. Now, that being said, the new Ryzen architecture is unique in that the actual memory *clock* speed does directly impact the IMC and Infinity Fabric, but the impact on anything other than benchmarks again isn't likely to be significant.


Quite a few reviews out there showing 10-15% difference in some videogames with different memory settings. That's a lot in my opinion.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: RemusM on 20-March-17, 15:02:13
Quite a few reviews out there showing 10-15% difference in some videogames with different memory settings. That's a lot in my opinion.

If you have a decent graphics card, the memory speed is almost irrelevant (2-3% boost from 2133 to 3200 MHz)
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: jellewolters on 20-March-17, 17:30:39
If you have a decent graphics card, the memory speed is almost irrelevant (2-3% boost from 2133 to 3200 MHz)
I think it's been said now a few times this isn't the case for Ryzen, for whatever reason. Look up reviews with games like Fallout, Crysis 3, The Witcher 3. The difference can be as much as 15%, which results in 10-20FPS differences.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TId-OrXWuOE just an example.

Anyway, I see my question is not going to be answered. I asked about ETA and possible fixes. Not excuses for why running 3200MHz at 2400MHz is acceptable, when I've spent 200 euro on a board. I'm not blaming MSI here, the launch is a crapshoot, probably cause of AMD, but I'd like a (rough) timeline for fixes.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: jerflash63 on 20-March-17, 19:10:08
I really think that in the first post we should list that single sided samsung memory has had the most compatibility with overclocking. anything else won't go over 2400... 2667 if we are lucky. 

I went from Corsair LPX 3000 which would not post over 2400 no matter the setting or bios, to LPX 3200 memory and was able to get 3200 on the first try.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: imwechs on 21-March-17, 06:24:30
I really think that in the first post we should list that single sided samsung memory has had the most compatibility with overclocking. anything else won't go over 2400... 2667 if we are lucky.

I went from Corsair LPX 3000 which would not post over 2400 no matter the setting or bios, to LPX 3200 memory and was able to get 3200 on the first try.

  According to the memory speed chart with 4 dual channel ram slots filled witj first ranked dimms I should only get a speed of 2133mhz.Yet with my four 8GB dimms I was able to get to 2400mhz quite easily on bios 1.27. When the bios is completely optimized I expect 2666mhz memory speed.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: devilx on 21-March-17, 07:23:14
Hello,

I've a question regarding memory support. My specs are in the sig. Since search on this forum is a pain and i didn't want to read all pages please don't be hard to me if this has been posted earlier.
Apart from endless post-time my system runs ok on 2133 JEDEC RAM-settings but when i change to XMP my system boots and reports 3200 with advertised timings in bios but on every boot it outputs 4 beeps by internal speaker.
I'm on BIOS-Version 115 atm and the memory is listend on MSI's doc to be supported with 3200.
Reverted back to JEDEC then without doing further testing since i want to have the system running stable first.
Anyone has some advise on this issue?

Thx for your answers.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: RemusM on 21-March-17, 07:30:26
Quote
According to the memory speed chart with 4 dual channel ram slots filled witj first ranked dimms I should only get a speed of 2133mhz.
Yet with my four 8GB dimms I was able to get to 2400mhz quite easily on bios 1.27. When the bios is completely optimized I expect 2666mhz memory speed.

Those are the speeds guaranteed by AMD using the stock settings.
Depending on the quality of your memory modules and CPU, you can reach higher speeds.
Also, increasing the voltages and/or relaxing the timings you can reach higher speeds.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: jellewolters on 21-March-17, 10:52:04
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/msi-enables-a-xmp-for-better-ryzen-ddr4-perf-also-adds-new-models.html
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: mfeinberg01 on 21-March-17, 14:56:50
Statistics alone can be misleading.

If one year 1 person gets the flu, and the next its 2 that is a massive 100% jump!

Sure, 10% seems significant but *most* users will not notice the difference between 100 FPS and 90 FPS as most monitors are still 60 Hz. Yes, I know about 144 Hz monitors, but even then *most* users won't really notice a difference. Also, those benchmarks that show that much of a difference are at lower resolutions in order to exaggerate deltas. That gap shrinks significantly at higher resolutions.

So the real-world impact is minimal.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: mfeinberg01 on 21-March-17, 15:13:11
https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cpu_mainboard/amd_has_reportedly_released_new_agesa_microcode_for_ryzen/1
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: Aventador on 21-March-17, 17:22:13
On Corsair LPX 3000MHz (Micron) (CMK8GX4M2B3000C15) with bios 1.21 i can get 2666MHz by putting voltage at 1.35 and clock at 2666MHz. From now on i cant pass this clock speed.

Cpu: 1700
MB: B350 Tomahawk
Ram: Corsair LPX 3000MHz 8Gb
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: jeffzac92 on 21-March-17, 19:54:07
Guys just have patience until a BIOS ver releases that allows 3200mhz across all brands.  You're fine with 2667, heck even 2400mhz until then.  As long as memtest86 returns with zero errors on a pass or 5 or 10, then you're set.  At this point, it's beating a dead horse posting about RAM not running at advertised speeds with MSI.  You've got 1 of 3 options.  

1) Keep replacing RAM until you give up/get lucky?
2) Get a new MOBO either x370, or another brand (ASUS, GA, ASROCK)
3) Go intel?  

Ryzen benefits from RAM speeds more than any processor released in the past decade; however, 2667mhz is grand for roughly 85-90% of us users.  Patience is key.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: dragianx on 22-March-17, 08:16:16
I am currently running corsair LED 3200 (16GBx2 kit) on my X370 titanium setup with ryzen 1800x and is is auto OC at 2666 with no issue.  When i go higher without tuning voltages it pretty much needs a CMOS reset.  My bigger concern right now is that I see that there is a BIOS update available since my BIOS was flashed on 2/22 (just bought it today) and the MSI website says "file not found" when i attempt to download the bios update.  Any idea what's up with that?  Also I am running everything else pretty stock but I dont want to play with OC and running processor full speed until I get a bios update.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: mfeinberg01 on 22-March-17, 12:38:11
I am currently running corsair LED 3200 (16GBx2 kit) on my X370 titanium setup with ryzen 1800x and is is auto OC at 2666 with no issue.  When i go higher without tuning voltages it pretty much needs a CMOS reset.  My bigger concern right now is that I see that there is a BIOS update available since my BIOS was flashed on 2/22 (just bought it today) and the MSI website says "file not found" when i attempt to download the bios update.  Any idea what's up with that?  Also I am running everything else pretty stock but I dont want to play with OC and running processor full speed until I get a bios update.

The mods have a sticky post in another thread with the latest BETA BIOS releases for all AM4 motherboards. Have you tried looking there and downloading from their link?

Also, it appears AMD has released some updated code to address memory compatibility issues. I doubt it is the "final fix", and there are no reports yet on it's impact as it has yet to be incorporated into any BIOS updates from any manufacturer, but it should mean an update should be coming soon with (hopefully) noticeable improvements in memory compatibility and maybe some improvements in clock speed support.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: Riptide on 24-March-17, 03:33:37
I flashed my BIOS to 1.10 release today. This is a MSI Tomahawk. There is a new feature in the BIOS on the 1.10 release A-XMP. I set it to that and the system rebooted with my modules running at PC3200 14-14-14 timings 1.35v. This is a gskill trident Z 2x8GB pc3200 cl14 set.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: erik on 24-March-17, 13:32:11
Hey.
I got the Tomahawk 350B and the Ryzen 1800x and Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 DIMM PC26400/3300MHz CL16 4x4GB.
It's automatically set to 2300 Mhz in BIOS, and if I try to set it to 3200, I have to reset BIOS for the computer to boot. (Like otehrs have mentioned here.)

I have not yet updated to the 1.1 version of BIOS.

Anybody knows what would be the best BIOS settings for my setup with the current BIOS (1.1)?

Also, is this mainly a SW issue which may be solved in future BIOS versions, or is it HW related, meaning I'm stuck at lower hertz?

(I knew there was a high change I wouldn't get max hertz when I bought this and it's not a big deal, but my HW knowledge is limited and I'd rather ask someone who knows than mess around and fail alot.)
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: Nichrome on 24-March-17, 15:46:37
Also, is this mainly a SW issue which may be solved in future BIOS versions, or is it HW related, meaning I'm stuck at lower hertz?
It's a SW issue (BIOS), but both MSI and AMD needs time to fix it.
Intel had similar issues with their first chipset based on DDR4.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: Riptide on 24-March-17, 18:30:01
Well shoot.  System will POST fine with A-XMP turned on and all the timings, voltage, and clocks are set OK.

The system rebooted from a bugcheck while I was at work this AM.  (https://hardforum.com/styles/default/xenforo/clear.png)

Apparently there is work yet to be done on stability/compatibility.

1.1 Release BIOS - B350 Tomahawk
GSkill trident Z PC3200 CL14 2x8GB
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: Riptide on 25-March-17, 13:46:42
Need to revise the situation.  Ran memtest for almost two hours and had no errors.  Not entirely sure it is the memory that produced the bugcheck.  It may still have something to do with the 1.1 BIOS however I can't prove it.  What I can say is that nothing else on the system changed but that BIOS (from 1.0->1.1) and the A-XMP setting for the RAM.  Ran weeks without a bugcheck then suddenly produced one 24 hours after the change was made.

Difficult to draw conclusions.  I already cleared event viewer and did not analyze the dump file with the MS debugger.  So that ship has sailed.  Continuing to test..
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: reyson91 on 26-March-17, 19:37:16
I am getting B350 TOMAHAWK and was looking at ram support list, I saw  that this ram is 3600 but will work at 3200 (https://www.gskill.com/en/product/f4-3600c16d-16gtzkw), while I found this that is standard is 3200 mhz (like the product code is similar just the difference in their frequency) (https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16820232391), so my question is will the 3200 mhz ram still work on my mobo? Its a bit cheaper and I dont see any need for me to go and get 3600 mhz kind.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: AvengerUK on 26-March-17, 23:34:02
Hi All,

(X370 Pro Carbon)

Using Corsair 3000Mhz C15 in my board (2x 8GB) - CMD16GX4M2B3000C15 - A-XMP won't post for 2993 - the old loop until you reset.

I can manually run 2666 - which is what I'm currently on.

I'm guessing a bios update is called for to improve this - but, is there anything I can try in the mean time? e.g. currently on Auto NB voltage, does raising this help? (not sure what the limits are though)

Cheers!
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 27-March-17, 00:54:04
Hi All,

(X370 Pro Carbon)

Using Corsair 3000Mhz C15 in my board (2x 8GB) - CMD16GX4M2B3000C15 - A-XMP won't post for 2993 - the old loop until you reset.

I can manually run 2666 - which is what I'm currently on.

I'm guessing a bios update is called for to improve this - but, is there anything I can try in the mean time? e.g. currently on Auto NB voltage, does raising this help? (not sure what the limits are though)

Cheers!

While this is a thread on memory, please try and make your own thread for tweaking. It's much easier to reply in separate thread and not get confused.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: rindman on 27-March-17, 21:06:06
Not really working with my Corsair LPX 3200mhz CL16 2x8Gb ( Hynix Single Ranked ), it's only stable at 2133mhz with the XMP's timings spec ... Even the JEDEC doesn't pass.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: Nichrome on 27-March-17, 21:56:38
Not really working with my Corsair LPX 3200mhz CL16 2x8Gb ( Hynix Single Ranked ), it's only stable at 2133mhz with the XMP's timings spec ... Even the JEDEC doesn't pass.
Can you provide photo of the sticker on the RAM?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: rindman on 28-March-17, 00:33:15
Sure, here there are.

Ok it was meant for Intel plateform, but atm we don't have AMD's Radeon DDR4 with "awesome AMP" profile.

So MSI, deal with it on Intel's XMP :D
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: flugger1975 on 28-March-17, 10:44:46
I have the MSI B350 Tomahawk(bios 1.1) whit the R7 1700 on it.
And I`m running my memmory at 2933MHz.
I got the Corsair Vengeance LED DDR4 3200MHz 16GB (CMU16GX4M2C3200C16R)
And my system is running smooth.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: rindman on 28-March-17, 12:31:39
Additionnal information : I'm running on the x370 Gaming Pro Carbon.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: mfeinberg01 on 28-March-17, 13:25:31
I am on the Titanium, and not running the exact same sticks but I think ours might have the same ICs (I am running the Corsair LED 3200's). I disabled XMP, set speed manually, left timings on Auto, and set ram voltage to 1.35 and I was able to POST at 2933 (with the latest BIOS). Prior to that, I could POST at 2400 with timings at 14-14-14-36, voltage at 1.25 and the rest the same...

If those fail, you can try bumping NB slightly to 1.00v or 1.10v (I might have mine bumped for 2933...don't recall offhand.)
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: teekaypl on 28-March-17, 17:33:33
I just wanted to add my memory information here since I see that many people buy RAM without even looking at the memory support list on the MSI website, just like I did my first time around.

My ram is running stable at 3200mhz, I only get 7 beeps from the computer when it reboots, but starts right up. Been running like this for the past two weeks since I bought the proper RAM sticks.

[attachthumb=1]

Here it is:
Ram: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16gig DDR4 3600 (CMK16GX4M2B3600C18)
MB: X370 Gaming Carbon (BIOS v1.2)
CPU: R7 1700
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: Nichrome on 28-March-17, 17:34:51
@teekaypl
Thanks for sharing :) Hopefully more reports from users will get things more stable sooner than some may think.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: rindman on 28-March-17, 19:20:07
The bios doesn't have any trouble to read the timings ( memory Z is the same thing ).

Why we don't have more settings to tweak on the OC menu ? Where's the bclk, fclk, other dram timings settings ( can't change to 2T by example ).

In the past, load line calibration can be adjusted by value, not by profile lol.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: mfeinberg01 on 28-March-17, 19:29:42
The bios doesn't have any trouble to read the timings ( memory Z is the same thing ).

Why we don't have more settings to tweak on the OC menu ? Where's the bclk, fclk, other dram timings settings ( can't change to 2T by example ).

In the past, load line calibration can be adjusted by value, not by profile lol.

You probably realize all AM4 BIOS's are works-in-progress. The latest AGESA code enabled BLCK modifications for the on-CPU BLCK but those have been recalled due to issues/concerns. They are getting there, but it's going to take a little more time. It feels like forever, but it's only been about a month?...
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: rindman on 28-March-17, 20:00:13
I see ... So AMD did it on purpose, for what ?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: Nichrome on 28-March-17, 20:08:08
I see ... So AMD did it on purpose, for what ?
In my opinion, AMD was not ready for the release. And therefore we have tons of issues with chipset now. AMD not ready = MSI, ASUS, Gigabyte etc also not ready.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: mfeinberg01 on 28-March-17, 20:14:46
In my opinion, AMD was not ready for the release. And therefore we have tons of issues with chipset now. AMD not ready = MSI, ASUS, Gigabyte etc also not ready.

AMD basically admitted as much when they stated they had all hands focusing on the chip itself and didn't really start focusing on firmware/microcode until after launch. Honestly, knowing what I know now I am surprised things weren't even worse. What we are seeing really isn't much worse than what Intel has gone through (I think with the x99 chipset, but I really don't recall. Didn't pay a lot of attention).
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 28-March-17, 20:51:05
AMD basically admitted as much when they stated they had all hands focusing on the chip itself and didn't really start focusing on firmware/microcode until after launch. Honestly, knowing what I know now I am surprised things weren't even worse. What we are seeing really isn't much worse than what Intel has gone through (I think with the x99 chipset, but I really don't recall. Didn't pay a lot of attention).

I'd say AMD has it much worse.
Intel had issues, but most of those have been firmware/software related. 
Not software/firmware related on the chip itself. Which really, to me, says the hardware wasn't done right in the first place. Software on a chip is meant to fix issues with the hardware inside the chip.... ;)
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: Riptide on 29-March-17, 00:05:09
My system is stable.  I can't run my RAM at over 2400mhz without occasional bugcheck reboots.  That is my only issue right now.  Perhaps if I were trying to do more than run out of the clock CPU speeds it would be a bigger deal to me than it is.

Seems like this situation could be a lot worse.  It could be better.

We just need to relax and be patient.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: Sneakablez on 29-March-17, 10:38:28
My system is stable.  I can't run my RAM at over 2400mhz without occasional bugcheck reboots.  That is my only issue right now.  Perhaps if I were trying to do more than run out of the clock CPU speeds it would be a bigger deal to me than it is.

Seems like this situation could be a lot worse.  It could be better.

We just need to relax and be patient.

What's "bugcheck reboots"? :bonk:
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: normaron on 29-March-17, 11:14:14
Hi, 

Just put up my build and the system keep crashing and can't do any productive work on it. I am running everything at stock now, most of the crash gives me a stop code of "Memory management". Anything I can do to make it stable at least? Should I adjust anything in the bios?

My build is:
- Ryzen 1800x 
- MSI X370 Gaming Pro Carbon (updated to latest v1.2 bios)
- Corsair LPX 32GB (4x8GB) DDR4 DRAM 2400MHz C14 (CMK32GX4M4A2400C14)
- M.2 Samsung 960 EVO
- Asus 1070 Dual O8G
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 29-March-17, 11:24:38
Hi,

Just put up my build and the system keep crashing and can't do any productive work on it. I am running everything at stock now, most of the crash gives me a stop code of "Memory management". Anything I can do to make it stable at least? Should I adjust anything in the bios?

My build is:
- Ryzen 1800x
- MSI X370 Gaming Pro Carbon (updated to latest v1.2 bios)
- Corsair LPX 32GB (4x8GB) DDR4 DRAM 2400MHz C14 (CMK32GX4M4A2400C14)
- M.2 Samsung 960 EVO
- Asus 1070 Dual O8G

Make a thread in the Gaming motherboard section. See : >>Posting Guide<< (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=38822.0) and >>Please read and comply with the Forum Rules.<< (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=64858.0)
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: normaron on 29-March-17, 11:36:20
Make a thread in the Gaming motherboard section. See : >>Posting Guide<< (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=38822.0) and >>Please read and comply with the Forum Rules.<< (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=64858.0)
Noted, will do
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: Riptide on 29-March-17, 13:53:04
What's "bugcheck reboots"? :bonk:

A bugcheck reboot is a blue screen of death.  You go into your event viewer under system and see a note there indicating the system had restarted unexpectedly.  In this case, for reasons unknown, the system isn't leaving the blue screen up for me to see when I come back to the computer.  I had checked the box to not restart after a crashdump so I'm not sure why it completely restarts.

Regardless the condition is clearly related to setting the memory modules higher than 2400mhz.  Put them back to that speed and it never happens.  A-XMP doesn't work on my Tomahawk with the 1.10 release BIOS and my memory modules.

My memory modules are samsung b-die which are supposed to be the more compatible type.  Apparently not in my particular case anyway.
GSKill Trident Z PC3200 CL14
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: wickedzany on 30-March-17, 09:41:08
Having couple of issues with my new Ryzen build. 

Specs for the computer:
CPU: AMD Ryzen 1700
Motherboard: MSI B350 Tomahawk
Memory: Corsair 3000C15 LPX 2*8GB (CMK16GX4M2B3000c15)
PSU: COrsair 650 RMx
GPU: MSI RX 480 Gaming X

The first problem was to get the computer running. Would freeze on the start up screen where you can enter bios settings. Eventually could install windows using beta bios 1.32. Yesterday I tried all the official bios releases. but the computer would always freeze at the start up.Now starts with 1.32 and post time is quite good, however can't get ram above 2133. I have tried changing every setting from BIOS I have been able to find from different Forums. But eventually fails to start with anything above 2133. Cant find this memory from the MSI supported list even though I remember checking the compatibility before buying this set and found it then. (Maybe I checked wrong).  Also every program (in BIOS and in Windows) finds 2 stick of RAM but I can only access 7.9 GB of the RAM. In Task Manager it says 8,1 GB reserved for Hardware. Tried googling for solution but could not find anything that would work. (Resetting bios, taking battery off, building from scratch, changing settings etc)

So maybe I should just change the motherboard or RAM kit? I still have 2 days to return them :D
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: brotaque on 31-March-17, 09:01:20
Hello everyone,

First post on this forum.
I also have issues with my X370 Titanium motherboard and my Corsair Vengeance LPX 3000, 16GBx2.
They are now working at standard DDR4 RAM, 2133Mhz.
I flashed my BIOS to version 1.3 and tried A-XMP. It sees the correct latency, but after I save and reboot it just enters a boot loop and I need to clear CMOS.
I tried to set them manually to 2933 but so far I managed to make them work to 2667 with a DRAM voltage of 1.3V.
I notice that MSI and other manufacturers have not listed memories modules with capacities over 16Gb in their compatibility lists. Mostly 8GB modules and 16GB.
I hope that future BIOS updates will fix the issue, but this is indeed annoying.
One more thing, when my memories were running at 2667Mhz, running a test in Cinebench has resulted in a lower score than the first time I tried after I assembled the system and everything was stock.
Any ideas?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: Nichrome on 31-March-17, 09:49:25
One more thing, when my memories were running at 2667Mhz, running a test in Cinebench has resulted in a lower score than the first time I tried after I assembled the system and everything was stock.
Any ideas?
Pretty common. I do not know how that works, but for example, my RAM at 2933MHz (Skylake 6700K in use) will generate about 10-15pts less in Cinebench than 2800MHz or even 2133MHz with same CPU clocks. Sometimes couple of reboots, and 2933MHz would get 50pts more (???) than previously, but on another run, it's lower pts again..
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: brainfreeze on 03-April-17, 18:21:06
2) At these moment these are the memory configs & speeds guaranteed by AMD for their Ryzen CPUs:
1866 MHz for 4 DIMMs in dual channel and dual rank.
2133 MHz for 4 DIMMs in dual channel and single rank.
2400 MHz for 2 DIMMs in dual channel and dual rank.
2666 MHz for 2 DIMMs in dual channel and single rank.
Anything above that is gambling.

:beerchug:

Wait, i really getting confuzed now, 2400MHz for 2 DIMMs ?
i own only one Corsair Veangance LPX (2400MHz) 8gb does that mean i am one low ? or is this just a mention (IF) using 2 ?
(Will bite my nails meanwhile i get a awnser) 😅
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: flobelix on 03-April-17, 18:26:27
It means the maximum speed AMD specified for two dual ranked DIMMS in dual channel is DDR4-2400
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: brainfreeze on 03-April-17, 18:50:59
While im here i should ask this too, if it is so then if i want to use more then 16gb i need to use the lower MHz that is mentioned right ? Or rather said should
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: imwechs on 03-April-17, 20:13:57
Wait, i really getting confuzed now, 2400MHz for 2 DIMMs ?
i own only one Corsair Veangance LPX (2400MHz) 8gb does that mean i am one low ? or is this just a mention (IF) using 2 ?
(Will bite my nails meanwhile i get a awnser) 😅

  The chart is conservative. I had 4 dimms I was able to get 2400mhz for four  and still only 2400mjz if I used only two. I decided to return these Corsair Dominator Platinums to Micro Cenrer and they credited my card. I then ordered G. Skill Flare X, which is verified on Ryzen.  I bought four 8GB DDR4 3200 cas 14-14-14-34.
Within 5 minutes of installing them,I had two dimms running at 3200mhz with 14-14-14 timing.  Now all four is still limited to 2400 MHZ. I will hold back using all 4 dimms until a higher speed is permitted in a revised bios in May. Unfortunately Micro Center does NOT at present carry G.Skill Flare X ram. So my order went to Newegg. The memory makes a huge difference in fps for games.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: flobelix on 03-April-17, 21:39:11
It is what AMD specifies... Anything else can work or not. It's like oc always is.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: imwechs on 05-April-17, 01:53:30
While im here i should ask this too, if it is so then if i want to use more then 16gb i need to use the lower MHz that is mentioned right ? Or rather said should

This is a guide. I was running at higher than what the guide said with r dimms of sangle ranked chips. But you do NOT have to settle for this. If you want to run at fullmemory speed go out and buy Ryzen certified memort.  G.Skill Flare X kits are Ryzen certified. I bought one and am getting full speed of DDR4 3200 at CL 14-14-14.  It is available at Newegg. They also have a kit that runs at 3466mhz.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: dragianx on 05-April-17, 17:33:40
So, GSkill did it right iMHO with the flare x, did one cold boot at auto, went in returned, immediately went to 3200 with BIOS v. 1.3 with my x370 XPower Titanium.  Using the flarex 3200 16 GB kit (although I really wanted 32GB just because) but call me happy with Ryzen and MSI, big shout out to G.Skill for getting on the ball.

To the photos lol:
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: akay.gulmersin on 07-April-17, 12:31:53
When these issues are resolved with the new BIOS.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: r.sarwar87 on 07-April-17, 17:03:55
Hi.

So I have been investigating which rams have single ranked Samsung B die.

Any g skill ram with the following serial number is a Samsung B die: xxx-x500-xxxxx.

Any 3000c14/3200c14/3400/c16 or above are Samsung b die.

Also all 16gb modules are none Samsung b die.

Crucial does seems to only use micron chips. No idea about other brands. Hope this helps
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: mr.raider2 on 09-April-17, 23:21:38
Corsair web site says the CMK16GX4M2A2666C16 is compatible.

Anyone use that kit?

http://www.corsair.com/en-us/landing/ryzen
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: paulinew on 10-April-17, 19:54:46
Can some one help me as im pulling my hair out i have X370 GAMING PRO and im running Corsair 2x8gb CMU16GX4M2C3000C15  it boots fine at 2133 but if i try any other speed it boots up and beeps 6 time but continues into windows, in windows it reports the correct speed but its the 6 beeps that are worrying me can anyone help?

Thanks
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 10-April-17, 21:20:44
For the time being, ignore them.
Once a new BETA or released BIOS is available, it should help resolve those issues.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: paulinew on 11-April-17, 00:08:20
Thanks for that, i was a little worried i know my Rams not on the list by name but its basically Vengeance with LED's so i thought it would be ok.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 11-April-17, 00:12:56
No worries. Ignore the beeps for now. If it boots to windows I wouldn't worry about it.

Hopefully, once the next BETA BIOS is released, we will see that issue resolved.
I wish I could say I knew when it would be released, but the best I can say is I was told early this week.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: paulinew on 11-April-17, 20:32:01
Is the beeping on boot something that other owners have a issue with or am i the only 1.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 11-April-17, 20:34:18
Is the beeping on boot something that other owners have a issue with or am i the only 1.

Others have had it from time to time. Most just ignore it and haven't had issues.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: paulinew on 11-April-17, 21:05:06
Thanks im reading another thread and the owner is getting 5 beeps it seems different people get different number of beeps, i dont understand it but my rigs been running 2 days now without issue its slow to post as many have reported but it boots any ram speed just with beeps and its reported correctly inside windows. I also seem to have great temps with command center at idle reporting around 42c i know im supposed to knock 20c off, wow thats pretty low but im using Deepcool 240 rad with 2 corsair fans and have ordered another set of screws for puch pull config to keep the temps right down before i do any overclocking. I wanted to use it for a few days before touching CPU speed to make sure its all good.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: kagetora34 on 12-April-17, 05:15:26
Hi All,

(X370 Pro Carbon)

Using Corsair 3000Mhz C15 in my board (2x 8GB) - CMD16GX4M2B3000C15 - A-XMP won't post for 2993 - the old loop until you reset.

I can manually run 2666 - which is what I'm currently on.

I'm guessing a bios update is called for to improve this - but, is there anything I can try in the mean time? e.g. currently on Auto NB voltage, does raising this help? (not sure what the limits are though)

Cheers!
Probably will. From what I understood of the current situation, going above either 2400 or 2666 is mostly a gamble. Remember, this is still a brand new platform which is something we haven't had in quite some time whether it's AMD or Intel. (gotta love that Blue Man Group tho :P ) I'm sure things will improve with time tho and will also get cheaper as the process begin to mature and they learn how to do things more efficiently. Intel has a bit of a head start on AMD as Intel's first venture into DDR4 was with their X99 and later their Z170 platforms while AMD has just now moved up to DDR4.

Which I believe explains the lack of compatible memory and Motherboard issues... Which weren't helped by AMD's rush to market where board partners were given around 2-3 weeks to pull something together in terms of BIOS drivers. I'm optimistic that things'll improve in time but for now, I'd stick with 2666 if that's what runs the most stable for you.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: rasit_v on 12-April-17, 08:16:33
Hello,

I'm running on a 1700X with MSI X370 Gaming Pro Carbonand Corsair Vengeance LPX CMK16GX4M2B3000C15 however i can't get it above 2133MHz.
A few days ago i managed to run @ 2667MHz for almost a day but in the end i had to restart my pc and switch to 2133MHz because it simply stopped working.

Just wondering what i can do right now to at least run at 2667MHz?
What timings should i use?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: eugkra33 on 12-April-17, 09:50:45
So I'm about to maybe buy a b350m Gaming Pro. Is this a bad idea? How far has MSI come along in all of this memory comparability with this board? Planning to use a 1600 and OC to 3.9-4ghz, but I'm not sure if the 3 MOSFETs will go up in flames. Also, does the gaming pro have NB voltage control? Trying to decide between this and a Gigabyte AB350m Gaming 3
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 12-April-17, 11:53:34
So I'm about to maybe buy a b350m Gaming Pro. Is this a bad idea? How far has MSI come along in all of this memory comparability with this board? Planning to use a 1600 and OC to 3.9-4ghz, but I'm not sure if the 3 MOSFETs will go up in flames. Also, does the gaming pro have NB voltage control? Trying to decide between this and a Gigabyte AB350m Gaming 3

Compared to the other B350 boards, it should be at about the same state. It had a BIOS update yesterday, along with all the other B350 boards. 

As far as the MOSFET's, I can't really provide any information about that. We haven't had many complaints from users regarding the B350M Gaming Pro so far. So I really don't know.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: dylangutt1 on 12-April-17, 18:51:16
Well, another memory post. I have the Corsair CMK16GX4M2A2666C16 Kit (2 x 8 GB @ 2666 MHz) with the MSI Tomahawk B350. I've of course ran into the issue of speeds stuck at 2133.
Technically, I should have to overclock to get the desired speeds right, since the board only supports 2666 (OC)?
 I should be able to set the timings/voltage manually (the one's listed on the corsair site for this specific kit), right? The timings are 16-18-18-18-35 @ 1.2V. So, I went ahead and updated to 1.3 BIOS that has the new AGESA code.

I went ahead and set the frequency to 2400 MHz @ 1.2V with those timings, and it seemed to boot up fine. For some reason the timings default to 15-18-18-18-36., so I changed them manually to the ones above.
I was able to boot up successfully, and made sure by restarting multiple times with no beeps.
As soon as I set the frequency to 2666 MHz though, the POST fails and the RAM reverts to 2133 MHz. It seems a lot (more than before) of people have been able to get their memory up to 2933 or so. (I know I won't because my RAM is rated at 2666 but you get what I'm saying).
I've tried 1.35V with 16-18-18-18-36, 16-18-18-18-35, 15-18-18-18-35, no luck.
I've also tried the memory try it profiles for 2666, all to no avail.
Also tried bumping up my FSB voltage a little bit as well, and tried using the XMP profile. (I think it's called FSB, I'm not in front of my computer right now).
I know the answer is going to be that MSI/AMD are having memory issues and that they will be resolved in BIOS updates to come hopefully, but if anyone has any other insight, please fill me in.

Thanks!
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: kagetora34 on 12-April-17, 19:53:12
Well, another memory post. I have the Corsair CMK16GX4M2A2666C16 Kit (2 x 8 GB @ 2666 MHz) with the MSI Tomahawk B350. I've of course ran into the issue of speeds stuck at 2133.
Technically, I should have to overclock to get the desired speeds right, since the board only supports 2666 (OC)?
 I should be able to set the timings/voltage manually (the one's listed on the corsair site for this specific kit), right? The timings are 16-18-18-18-35 @ 1.2V. So, I went ahead and updated to 1.3 BIOS that has the new AGESA code.

I went ahead and set the frequency to 2400 MHz @ 1.2V with those timings, and it seemed to boot up fine. For some reason the timings default to 15-18-18-18-36., so I changed them manually to the ones above.
I was able to boot up successfully, and made sure by restarting multiple times with no beeps.
As soon as I set the frequency to 2666 MHz though, the POST fails and the RAM reverts to 2133 MHz. It seems a lot (more than before) of people have been able to get their memory up to 2933 or so. (I know I won't because my RAM is rated at 2666 but you get what I'm saying).
I've tried 1.35V with 16-18-18-18-36, 16-18-18-18-35, 15-18-18-18-35, no luck.
I've also tried the memory try it profiles for 2666, all to no avail.
Also tried bumping up my FSB voltage a little bit as well, and tried using the XMP profile. (I think it's called FSB, I'm not in front of my computer right now).
I know the answer is going to be that MSI/AMD are having memory issues and that they will be resolved in BIOS updates to come hopefully, but if anyone has any other insight, please fill me in.

Thanks!
In theory, yes. I don't own that board nor do I own that memory so I can't test it myself but in theory you should be able to manually push that memory up to the printed speed of 2666 by manually entering the timing and MHz in the BIOS.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: biri.ambulans.cagirsin on 12-April-17, 23:32:51
I don't know if it is the right place for asking but no one can help me but you guys. (I'm from Turkey and couldn't find anyone to help me to reach best BIOS settings with my build)

I have;
X370 Gaming Pro Carbon
Ryzen 1700x
Corsair Vengeance LPX CMK16GX4M2B3200C16R 2x8GB
Samsung 850 EVO 250GB
Zotac GTX 760 Amp! 2GB 256Bit (Going to get GTX 1080 Gaming X or Armor)

My rams are on the memory support QVL. List says that i can run those @3200Mhz with default timings.
But it doesnt post when i set those to 3200Mhz with 16-18-18-36 (Tried both A-XMP on and off)
Currently they are running on 2667Mhz with 14-15-15-30 timings. (The guy in the store helped me to set this)

What can i do to get this build on the top performance before the bios version 1.30?

I attached my OC settings on BIOS. Which changes do you recommend?

OC Mode(Expert)
Game Boost(On)
SMT(Enabled)
Core 6 State(Auto)
SVM Mode (Disabled)

PS: Mouse cursor is stuttering in BIOS and when i alt+tab from a game. Is it normal? On FX-8320 this never happened.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 12-April-17, 23:41:30
I don't know if it is the right place for asking but no one can help me but you guys. (I'm from Turkey and couldn't find anyone to help me to reach best BIOS settings with my build)

I have;
X370 Gaming Pro Carbon
Ryzen 1700x
Corsair Vengeance LPX CMK16GX4M2B3200C16R 2x8GB
Samsung 850 EVO 250GB
Zotac GTX 760 Amp! 2GB 256Bit (Going to get GTX 1080 Gaming X or Armor)

My rams are on the memory support QVL. List says that i can run those @3200Mhz with default timings.
But it doesnt post when i set those to 3200Mhz with 16-18-18-36 (Tried both A-XMP on and off)
Currently they are running on 2667Mhz with 14-15-15-30 timings. (The guy in the store helped me to set this)

What can i do to get this build on the top performance before the bios version 1.30?

I attached my OC settings on BIOS. Which changes do you recommend?

OC Mode(Expert)
Game Boost(On)
SMT(Enabled)
Core 6 State(Auto)
SVM Mode (Disabled)

PS: Mouse cursor is stuttering in BIOS and when i alt+tab from a game. Is it normal? On FX-8320 this never happened.

Honestly, the best you can do is increase the NB voltage slightly.
And possibly the memory voltage, slightly.
Outside of that, probably not very much.

I saw an interesting reddit post regarding Ryzen and a user who switched CPU's, same system/MB/RAM/etc, but different CPU, and went from being able to only run 2667 to 3200 no problem.
I would say that there is definitely some concern regarding the quality of the IMC within the CPU, and it would definitely play a huge part in why some users can get 3200 no problem, while others with nearly identical systems can't get more than 2400 MHz.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/64y5ko/struggling_to_hit_3200_on_your_ryzen_with_qvl_ram/

Just some food for thought.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: biri.ambulans.cagirsin on 13-April-17, 00:25:02
What do you mean with "slightly"? 2 clicks on "+" will be enough? :)
Pushing DRAM Voltage further than 1.370 isn't a problem?

About that post, i know it is a silicon lottery but i thought picking X370 mobo and 1700"X" was a better choice for OC'ing than B350 Mobo & 1700.
Appearently i just spent extra 200$ for nothing. It is sad :(
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 13-April-17, 00:34:13
What do you mean with "slightly"? 2 clicks on "+" will be enough? :)
Pushing DRAM Voltage further than 1.370 isn't a problem?

About that post, i know it is a silicon lottery but i thought picking X370 mobo and 1700"X" was a better choice for OC'ing than B350 Mobo & 1700.
Appearently i just spent extra 200$ for nothing. It is sad :(

Taken from some overclocking site online....

Ambient RecommendedAmbient MaxLN2 RecommendedLN2 Max
CPU Core Voltage1.40up to 1.451.80up to 1.95
SOC Voltage1.15up to 1.301.20up to 1.40
DRAM Voltage1.40up to 1.901.80up to 1.90
1.8V PLL Voltage1.80up to 2.403.00up to 3.20
1.05V SB Voltage1.05up to 1.401.30up to 1.40
1.8V Standby Voltage1.80up to 2.102.10up to 2.30
2.5V SB Voltage2.50up to 2.802.70up to 2.80

Obviously take this with a grain of salt, but it's a good starting point.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: biri.ambulans.cagirsin on 13-April-17, 03:03:49
Thanks for the info. :biggthumbsup:
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: RemusM on 13-April-17, 11:58:59
I would say that there is definitely some concern regarding the quality of the IMC within the CPU,
and it would definitely play a huge part in why some users can get 3200 no problem,
while others with nearly identical systems can't get more than 2400 MHz.

More than true.
As stated in the first message of this topic, anything above 2666 is gambling and the results depend on the CPU quality (your luck).
The future BIOS updates might improve the compatibility in some cases.
But don't expect any miracle !
:beerchug:
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: badboy2k on 13-April-17, 12:35:52
Intel have the higher degree of experience with making much more advanced IMC's that can handle higher speeds more easy as AMD have been playing catchup for many years so its no surprise that Rizen is not as good and has alot of issues.

maybe as they refine the design in later chips they may get better but i hold very little hope.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darrenoleary88 on 13-April-17, 13:43:02
For anyone interested, my Corsair RAM (SK Hynix, Single Rank) is running at 3200Mhz with a simple click on AXMP profile 2.

(https://i.imgur.com/MzsmcMa.png)
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: rindman on 13-April-17, 14:42:30
For anyone interested, my Corsair RAM (SK Hynix, Single Rank) is running at 3200Mhz with a simple click on AXMP profile 2.

(https://i.imgur.com/MzsmcMa.png)
Lucky one, I have the same memory kit but it won't boot on my X370 Gaming Pro Carbon T_T Hope the next 1.3 bios will resolve this ... I wonder if the support team mistook my ticket's mb with the b350 series instead of the x370 ...
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: akay.gulmersin on 13-April-17, 14:46:56
What is the motherboard model. What is the bios version
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: Nichrome on 13-April-17, 15:03:27
What is the motherboard model. What is the bios version
Clearly says on the screenshots. B350 Tomahawk, BIOS V1.30
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: akay.gulmersin on 13-April-17, 15:08:33
DDR4 Ram is running at 2133 Mhz speed. You may be seeing it as 3200
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darrenoleary88 on 13-April-17, 15:17:41
DDR4 Ram is running at 2133 Mhz speed. You may be seeing it as 3200

No, it clearly states 1600.2Mhz, you are reading the native supported speed. Please see below for more proof:

(https://i.imgur.com/MJF5Xx7.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/MzsmcMa.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/Ygt9LrY.png)
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: akay.gulmersin on 13-April-17, 15:27:33
CPZU program shows DDR4-2132 (1066Mhz)
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: akay.gulmersin on 13-April-17, 15:30:11
For anyone interested, my Corsair RAM (SK Hynix, Single Rank) is running at 3200Mhz with a simple click on AXMP profile 2.

(https://i.imgur.com/MzsmcMa.png)
CPZU program shows DDR4-2132 (1066Mhz)
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darrenoleary88 on 13-April-17, 15:32:25
CPZU program shows DDR4-2132 (1066Mhz)

Yes, that is the 'native' supported frequency. That is not the frequency it is running at. Look at the CPUz memory tab timings, that is real time stating 1600Mhz, as does all other programs. Latency is showing it also.

(https://i.imgur.com/768qrzM.png)
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: akay.gulmersin on 13-April-17, 15:38:56
Yes, that is the 'native' supported frequency. That is not the frequency it is running at. Look at the CPUz memory tab timings, that is real time stating 1600Mhz, as does all other programs. Latency is showing it also.

You can share your overclocking settings. Motherboard model and bios version.
We can not reach Corsair CMK16GX4M2B3000C15 Memory 2933 Mhz.
(I am = X370 Gaming Titanium motherboard and bios version 1.3)
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darrenoleary88 on 13-April-17, 15:45:33
You can share your overclocking settings. Motherboard model and bios version.
We can not reach Corsair CMK16GX4M2B3000C15 Memory 2933 Mhz.
(I am = X370 Gaming Titanium motherboard and bios version 1.3)

You are running CMK16GX4M2B3000C15 which is not on the 'supported list' https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B350-TOMAHAWK.html#support-cpu

However, my actions was as follows:

1. Updated to bios 1.3
2. Reset bios to default values
3. Plugged 3700 into CPU frequency
4. Check AXMP 2 (3200Mhz)
5. Save and restart.

This is all, everything else is on auto. My CPU only needs 1.17v to run all cores at 3.7Ghz and the stock volts top at 1.20 so I just leave it on auto.

The pictures above show the hardware, bios V and frequency's set.

(https://i.imgur.com/QXG9VQZ.jpg?1)
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 13-April-17, 16:51:30
You can share your overclocking settings. Motherboard model and bios version.
We can not reach Corsair CMK16GX4M2B3000C15 Memory 2933 Mhz.
(I am = X370 Gaming Titanium motherboard and bios version 1.3)

The X370 boards haven't gotten an updated BIOS yet....so don't expect the same results as the Tomahawk which has gotten an update.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: mr.raider2 on 13-April-17, 23:35:14
Well, another memory post. I have the Corsair CMK16GX4M2A2666C16 Kit (2 x 8 GB @ 2666 MHz) with the MSI Tomahawk B350. I've of course ran into the issue of speeds stuck at 2133.
Technically, I should have to overclock to get the desired speeds right, since the board only supports 2666 (OC)?
 I should be able to set the timings/voltage manually (the one's listed on the corsair site for this specific kit), right? The timings are 16-18-18-18-35 @ 1.2V. So, I went ahead and updated to 1.3 BIOS that has the new AGESA code.

I went ahead and set the frequency to 2400 MHz @ 1.2V with those timings, and it seemed to boot up fine. For some reason the timings default to 15-18-18-18-36., so I changed them manually to the ones above.
I was able to boot up successfully, and made sure by restarting multiple times with no beeps.
As soon as I set the frequency to 2666 MHz though, the POST fails and the RAM reverts to 2133 MHz. It seems a lot (more than before) of people have been able to get their memory up to 2933 or so. (I know I won't because my RAM is rated at 2666 but you get what I'm saying).
I've tried 1.35V with 16-18-18-18-36, 16-18-18-18-35, 15-18-18-18-35, no luck.
I've also tried the memory try it profiles for 2666, all to no avail.
Also tried bumping up my FSB voltage a little bit as well, and tried using the XMP profile. (I think it's called FSB, I'm not in front of my computer right now).
I know the answer is going to be that MSI/AMD are having memory issues and that they will be resolved in BIOS updates to come hopefully, but if anyone has any other insight, please fill me in.

Thanks!
I have the RAM kit and mobo. BIOS 1.3 adds A-xmp profiles 1 and 2. Profile 1 works flawless at 2400Mhz, and I ran folding@home 24 hours rock solid. Profile 2 won't boot. Corsair lists this kit as AM4 approved on their site, and newegg reviews says some ryzen users got advertised speeds.

Di you try loosening timings a bit more? Try CAS 18?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: foschefski on 14-April-17, 08:31:01
Here's my RAM situation.

     I started my build with the Gaming Pro Carbon, Ryzen 1700 and Corsair Vengeance LED (CMU16GX4M2C3200C16B).  I could NOT get the RAM to go past 2400mhz with 1.2 BIOS.  So I returned the RAM and bought the Geil Evo X (GEX416GB3200C16DC) since I heard people had some success with it.  I managed to get this RAM running at 2933mhz with manual timings (16-18-18-18-36).  I also found AMP profile 1 will run this RAM at 2933 but with looser timings.  When I pushed for 3200mhz the system would not boot, even with ultra loose timings.  So for now it looks like 3200 is not yet attainable with Geil.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: foschefski on 14-April-17, 08:41:18
Progress!

    The Geil RAM hit 3200mhz using AMP profile 2.   In the BIOS I reset everything to default and switched back to EZ mode.  I turned on AMP Profile 2 and the system booted with no problems.  No idea how it did that, since I used those timings manually before and got the mobo beeps at boot.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: rindman on 14-April-17, 12:09:13
With my X370 Gaming Pro Carbon ( bios 1.3 ) and Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200 mhz 16Gb BLACK ( CMK16GX4M2B3200C16 - Sk Hynix Single Rank )

I managed to boot once at 3200 mhz without trouble ( the system was power on, power off several times before loading Windows )

Now it's boot fast and stable at 3000 mhz.

The tmings was close to foschefski's effective timings.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 14-April-17, 12:17:44
All I can say is that you need to remember that these timings are overclocking a part of the chip, specifically the IMC. Anything higher than what is listed in the first post, is higher than what AMD guarantee's for the chip, and therefore an overclock, and also therefore not guaranteed to work on every chip.
The memory might be capable of 3600 MHz, the motherboard is as well, but if the CPU's IMC can't handle it, there really isn't much to be done about it.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: dylangutt1 on 14-April-17, 13:50:41
I seem to be having the worst luck with my Corsair Vengeance (2x8GB) CMK16GX4M2A2666C16 kit.
I can't get stable performance above 2133. I've tried multiple timings but when I set XMP or manual timings / voltage, Prime95 or gaming is instable. Black screens both of my monitors and I have to hard shut and set the RAM back.
I have the B350 Tomahawk running 1.3 version of the bios which apparently has AGESA 1.0.0.4a on it.
The timings for the card are listed as 16-18-18-18-35.
MemTest86 came back fine though when I had it clocked at 2666 though, so the RAM had no errors at least. I'm surprised it didn't black screen then....
It seems like I'm just going to have to wait for the big AMD ram update in May, or wait for more beta BIOS updates for the Tomahawk.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: mr.raider2 on 14-April-17, 16:05:55
I seem to be having the worst luck with my Corsair Vengeance (2x8GB) CMK16GX4M2A2666C16 kit.
I can't get stable performance above 2133. I've tried multiple timings but when I set XMP or manual timings / voltage, Prime95 or gaming is instable. Black screens both of my monitors and I have to hard shut and set the RAM back.
I have the B350 Tomahawk running 1.3 version of the bios which apparently has AGESA 1.0.0.4a on it.
The timings for the card are listed as 16-18-18-18-35.
MemTest86 came back fine though when I had it clocked at 2666 though, so the RAM had no errors at least. I'm surprised it didn't black screen then....
It seems like I'm just going to have to wait for the big AMD ram update in May, or wait for more beta BIOS updates for the Tomahawk.
 Use a-xmp profile 1 and let it run at 2400 for a few days. Make sure it's stable. I can boot at 2666 18-20-20-20-40, but it's unstable. I haven't put more than 1.2v yet, since this kit isn't rated 1.35v
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: foschefski on 14-April-17, 17:38:23
Progress!

    The Geil RAM hit 3200mhz using AMP profile 2.   In the BIOS I reset everything to default and switched back to EZ mode.  I turned on AMP Profile 2 and the system booted with no problems.  No idea how it did that, since I used those timings manually before and got the mobo beeps at boot.
Well that didn't last long.  I booted up this morning and I got the beeps of annoyance from the mobo.  I didn't change any settings since the successful boot last night.  I am baffled.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 14-April-17, 17:50:20
About the only thing I might suggest is trying to clean all the gold contacts on your memory.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: gabrielpin70 on 14-April-17, 21:32:25
What timings can i try to get past 2667 with my ballistix elite 3200 cl16 (MICRON), so far can only get to 2667 using axmp-1.
none of the try-it past 2667 worked.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: papasteack on 14-April-17, 23:32:34
Herre ddr4 adata z1 3333 needed ~1,38v here to get 3200 cl14-14-14-16-36 STABLE memtest on tomahawk/r5 1600, vs cl18 only (not even cl16) with 1,35v. So give it a try... tRP always higher value needed for me, don't know why.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: gabrielpin70 on 15-April-17, 00:17:15
what is that you overvolted?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: gabrielpin70 on 16-April-17, 16:40:10
Herre ddr4 adata z1 3333 needed ~1,38v here to get 3200 cl14-14-14-16-36 STABLE memtest on tomahawk/r5 1600, vs cl18 only (not even cl16) with 1,35v. So give it a try... tRP always higher value needed for me, don't know why.

Ok, so i noticed the only way to get to 2667 was with the DRAM Voltage at 1.36 already and a-xmp1, if i try to set that to auto (1.2) it won't boot even at 2667, i tried then setting it to 1.37, bumping to 2993, and settings timings to 16-18-18-18-36, 17-19-19-19-37, and no luck with either of those, a-xmp1 and a-xmp2 aswell. My memories are Ballistix elite, with Micron chipset, 3200mhz cl16
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: scorpio on 16-April-17, 19:55:59
Ok, so i noticed the only way to get to 2667 was with the DRAM Voltage at 1.36 already and a-xmp1, if i try to set that to auto (1.2) it won't boot even at 2667, i tried then setting it to 1.37, bumping to 2993, and settings timings to 16-18-18-18-36, 17-19-19-19-37, and no luck with either of those, a-xmp1 and a-xmp2 aswell. My memories are Ballistix elite, with Micron chipset, 3200mhz cl16
A lot of memory sticks are certified for a command rate 2T this is a big problem on ryzen motherboards, bios can't translate XMP spec into 2T command rate for the moment.
If you are lucky your sticks work fine and you gain Silicon lottery, else you need to decresase RAM timings or run in low frequency.
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=284863.0
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: gabrielpin70 on 16-April-17, 21:17:14
A lot of memory sticks are certified for a command rate 2T this is a big problem on ryzen motherboards, bios can't translate XMP spec into 2T command rate for the moment.
If you are lucky your sticks work fine and you gain Silicon lottery, else you need to decresase RAM timings or run in low frequency.
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=284863.0

Is there still ANY chance a new BIOS update might fix this? and what timings could i try?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: Nichrome on 16-April-17, 22:32:23
Is there still ANY chance a new BIOS update might fix this? and what timings could i try?
There will be many more BIOS updates. But when, and which one will make it work for you, no idea.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: gabrielpin70 on 16-April-17, 22:52:05
A lot of memory sticks are certified for a command rate 2T this is a big problem on ryzen motherboards, bios can't translate XMP spec into 2T command rate for the moment.
If you are lucky your sticks work fine and you gain Silicon lottery, else you need to decresase RAM timings or run in low frequency.
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=284863.0

And by the way, my memory kit command rate is 1T
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: scorpio on 16-April-17, 23:22:49
Is there still ANY chance a new BIOS update might fix this? and what timings could i try?
See my posts at the end of topic https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=284863.0 :


Quote
My https://www.gskill.com/en/product/f4-2400c15d-16gvr#tabs-spec was specified to 2400 cas 15 for 15-15-15-35 in 2T at 1.2V
Run well in 2133 with this timings and boot is quickly (3-4s), if I want to run in 2400 mode I need to try other timings and increase voltage to 1.35V, and can perhaps damage my sticks ...

Edit : I tried FLARE X F4-2400C15D-16GFX timings on my F4-2400C15D-16GVR it 's seems to work well now at 2400 (15-15-15-35 to 15-15-15-39).

Quote
I just compare G.Skill F4-2400C15D-16GVR timings to new FLARE X F4-2400C15D-16GFX
I think is perhaps the same chips but only XMP profile was just adapted for Ryzen?

https://www.gskill.com/en/product/f4-2400c15d-16gvr
https://www.gskill.com/en/product/f4-2400c15d-16gfx

F4-2400C15D-16GVR = 2400 15-15-15-35-2N
F4-2400C15D-16GFX = 2400 15-15-15-39  command rate not specified ! (1T ?)

For me it run well now with flare x timings.

I forgot to change RAM voltage to 1.2V, but is stable has 1.21V.

FYI I remember in they old beta or stable BIOS  when I want to apply A-XMP profile it set RAM timings to @2400 15-15-15-15-36 or 15-15-15-15-37 on profile 2, sometimes booting but system was very unstable or cold boot issue, need to very increase voltage to 1.35V for run fine.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: gabrielpin70 on 16-April-17, 23:57:43
See my posts at the end of topic https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=284863.0 :

But mine are already at 2667, above the 2400 you mention in the post, or am i missunderstanding something? i would like to know what timings i could try to get to 2993.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: gabrielpin70 on 17-April-17, 19:51:07
Ok so i've tried setting some ridiculously high timings like 25-27-27-27-45 with 1.4v yet i still couldn't get to 2933, only thing i managed to improve in fiddling is lowering the voltage to 1.35 while still getting 2667.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: imwechs on 18-April-17, 13:07:10
Honestly, the best you can do is increase the NB voltage slightly.
And possibly the memory voltage, slightly.
Outside of that, probably not very much.

I saw an interesting reddit post regarding Ryzen and a user who switched CPU's, same system/MB/RAM/etc, but different CPU, and went from being able to only run 2667 to 3200 no problem.
I would say that there is definitely some concern regarding the quality of the IMC within the CPU, and it would definitely play a huge part in why some users can get 3200 no problem, while others with nearly identical systems can't get more than 2400 MHz.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/64y5ko/struggling_to_hit_3200_on_your_ryzen_with_qvl_ram/

Just some food for thought.
I don't doubt your idea about the Ryzen IMC, but there have to be other factors as well. With 4 dimms my maximum memory speed  has also been 2400mhz even with Samsung b-die dimms. But since I downloaded the latest official bios 1.40 I can no longer boot at 2400mhz with 4 dimms. Only 2133 at best. This after slightly raising dram voltage and northbridge.. So that goes to a bios that was supposed to include improved memory compatibility. I realize the May update will have bigger improvements in memory compatibility than the Apri 1.4 bios,but this was a regression. I also am seeing higher cpu and dram voltage readings with this bios even though I have actually reduced my cpu and dram voltage. Very strange.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 18-April-17, 18:37:58
I don't doubt your idea about the Ryzen IMC, but there have to be other factors as well. With 4 dimms my maximum memory speed  has also been 2400mhz even with Samsung b-die dimms. But since I downloaded the latest official bios 1.40 I can no longer boot at 2400mhz with 4 dimms. Only 2133 at best. This after slightly raising dram voltage and northbridge.. So that goes to a bios that was supposed to include improved memory compatibility. I realize the May update will have bigger improvements in memory compatibility than the Apri 1.4 bios,but this was a regression. I also am seeing higher cpu and dram voltage readings with this bios even though I have actually reduced my cpu and dram voltage. Very strange.

Can't really comment on that situation much. It does appear that whatever changed with the BIOS did have a detrimental effect on your speeds. 
That's really all I can comment on it. :/

As far as the IMC, that comment is more meant for people trying to reach 3200 MHz and more.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: imwechs on 18-April-17, 23:42:43
Can't really comment on that situation much. It does appear that whatever changed with the BIOS did have a detrimental effect on your speeds.
That's really all I can comment on it. :/

As far as the IMC, that comment is more meant for people trying to reach 3200 MHz and more.
I appreciate your candor and wisdom. I amonly using 2 dimms now at 3200 rather than accepting 2133mhz or 2400 mhz. Still hoping the much touted AMD fix for memory will alleviate everyones pains from being early adopters. If Ryzen had released around this time in April or early May it would have been a less crazy experience for many people. The faint of heart no doubt may have turned sour. It is always better to have a smooth launch. Somehiccups are always to be expected, just not so many and requiring vegus nerve surgery.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: gabrielpin70 on 19-April-17, 17:01:02
Can we get an ETA on the next BIOS? I just wanted to get to at least 2933 with my micron chipset memory kit :(
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: Nichrome on 19-April-17, 17:23:18
Can we get an ETA on the next BIOS? I just wanted to get to at least 2933 with my micron chipset memory kit :(
Please ask MSI about it: >>How to contact MSI.<< (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=107326.0)
So far we know as much as you do.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: papasteack on 19-April-17, 19:13:54
Trying to optimize a bit too much, got this funny result, working totally stable...but lagging a lot while gaming :
Do you see the problem ? (see memory latency...)
;D
(http://damien.noury.free.fr/doku/lib/exe/fetch.php?media=diy:buggy_timing.png)
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: melyou_26 on 20-April-17, 08:59:26
The problem is the dual channel, the only way my ram and oc works without fail is to use only a stick and now works at 3200mhz and without drops or reboots ... but with only 8gb instead of 16gb
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: doom2pro on 21-April-17, 03:10:40
So I couldn't get my G.Skill Trident Z RGB 3200 16-18-18-18-38 past 2400 on my MSI X370 XPower Gaming Titanium 1.4 Official BIOS, and then I heard that DDR4 is safe 24/7 at 1.45V so I changed mine from 1.36 to 1.4 and tried 2666 and it worked! Stable and working great, previous attempts would get boot loops and reset BIOS defaults.

I'll try faster soon and update my post.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: doom2pro on 21-April-17, 03:15:03
The problem is the dual channel, the only way my ram and oc works without fail is to use only a stick and now works at 3200mhz and without drops or reboots ... but with only 8gb instead of 16gb

Setting the Command Rate to 2T instead of 1T or higher DRAM voltage should fix that, since we cannot yet change command rate (May BIOS Update) the best you can do now is set DRAM voltage to like 1.4 or 1.45 (as long as you have heatsinked modules).
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: isi--81 on 21-April-17, 23:11:22
Go for Dual Rank RAM, it is faster @ same clocks vs Single Rank 
https://www.golem.de/news/ram-overclocking-getestet-ryzen-profitiert-von-ddr4-3200-und-dual-rank-1704-127262.html
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Ryzen-5-1600X-CPU-265842/Tests/R5-1500X-Review-Mainstream-1225280/3/
I bought this one https://geizhals.de/crucial-ballistix-sport-lt-weiss-dimm-kit-32gb-bls2k16g4d26bfsc-bls2c16g4d26bfsc-a1572708.html
It is running @ 2933 CL18 with 1.25V (keep in mind that 2666MHz DR RAM ~delivers same FPS in Games like 3200 SR)
2666MHz can run with 16-15-15-15-33 @ 1.2V. Works great with manually set in the Bios (no XMP).
What i also saw is, that you can see thos differences @ low resolutions, but 1080P max Settings-4K etc, there are very rare scenarios, whew you will see a difference in FPS.
Mostly you are GPU limited. So get yourself DR RAM, it is cheaper and 2666MHz are enough.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: xfxp1384 on 21-April-17, 23:41:18
No, it clearly states 1600.2Mhz, you are reading the native supported speed. Please see below for more proof:

I have the exact same memory 
 
(https://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/ProductImageCompressAll1280/20-233-859-01.jpg?w=660&h=500)
(CORSAIR Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) Desktop Memory Model CMK16GX4M2B3200C16)

but I haven't been able to get 3200Mhz.

I've been using 2933Mhz (A-XMP Profile 1) since the beta v1.21 Ish, currently using 1.3 [B350 Tomahawk], though my R7 1700 works flawlessly at 3.9Ghz..

I wonder when we would get the official support for our ram with its stock clock.

Here's some picture proofs

(https://i.imgur.com/FX1EIyc.png)(https://i.imgur.com/ZsHcmpm.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/6kcwcs2.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/B2i9wXn.png)


Although, a lot of softwares displays my mem clock as 2133 Mhz like yours and others.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: isi--81 on 22-April-17, 00:31:15
BTW you can check your RAM with Thaiphoon Burner. It is free and there you can check if your RAM is single Rank or Dual Rank.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: RemusM on 22-April-17, 08:45:57
Go for Dual Rank RAM, it is faster @ same clocks vs Single Rank

That's a false statement.
Read again (carefully) the first message of this topic.
Single rank is always faster than Dual rank.
And here is the reason:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_rank
 Increasing the number of ranks per DIMM is mainly intended to increase the memory density per channel.
Too many ranks in the channel can cause excessive loading and decrease the speed of the channel.

:rtfm:
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: isi--81 on 22-April-17, 10:19:11
I should have add in games it is faster, go check the tests.
I posted 2 of them.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: RemusM on 22-April-17, 10:50:19
I should have add in games it is faster, go check the tests.
I posted 2 of them.

You don't understand the difference between RANK and SIDE.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: isi--81 on 22-April-17, 11:55:33
Then go check out that 2 Links which i posted. PCGH / Golem are quiet big here in germany.
So you say they dont know what they are talking about?
I think you dont understand the difference, here for you (Look 2.42min) https://youtu.be/FQYMY7fxHcw?t=162
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: RemusM on 22-April-17, 12:09:14
So you say they dont know what they are talking about?
I think you dont understand the difference,

The internet is full of "gurus" and all kind of crappy/fake/paid benchmarks and tests.
I am talking about tests and recommendations made by AMD.
;-))
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: isi--81 on 22-April-17, 12:16:20
Do you say that AMDs claim that  2666 MHz for 2 DIMMs in dual channel and single rank" ...
or i say it otherwise, do you think it is not possible to use Dual Rank RAM @ 2666MHz or above, because AMD says what you posted in your startpost?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: Nichrome on 22-April-17, 13:00:30
(http://www.legitreviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/ddr4-memory-support.jpg)

http://www.legitreviews.com/ddr4-memory-scaling-amd-am4-platform-best-memory-kit-amd-ryzen-cpus_192259

We cool now? Maybe in games dual rank performs better, but as far as speeds of RAM, single rank goes higher.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: isi--81 on 22-April-17, 13:35:03
Yeah thats true what you wrote and everything is cool.
My Dual Rank 2 Dimm RAM runs @ 2993MHz with a B350 arctic.
Those guaranteed speeds which AMD declared doenst mean, that you cant overclock even higher.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: isi--81 on 22-April-17, 17:19:11
Sry couldn t edit my post, but i found another interesting link https://www.experts-exchange.com/questions/28741978/SERVER-memory-rank-single-dual-quad.html
So interleaving is the key here.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 23-April-17, 01:30:20
Sry couldn t edit my post, but i found another interesting link https://www.experts-exchange.com/questions/28741978/SERVER-memory-rank-single-dual-quad.html
So interleaving is the key here.

Unfortunately, that link is wrong and most of what was 'discussed' is also incorrect, since dual sided RDIMM's are in fact slower and have lower performance than the single sided RDIMM's, and the same is true with LRDIMM's as well.... See : https://www.microway.com/hpc-tech-tips/ddr4-rdimm-lrdimm-performance-comparison/

Look, plain and simple, everyone is tired of you trying to prove a point that just isn't....right.
Either accept what others have shown here (and what knowledgeable people in the industry agree on), or believe what you want.
Fact remains, we don't need a constant argument with no factual basis here, not when common knowledge says different, benchmarks say different. 

Yes, we understand that there might be very specific circumstances where the dual rank does perform better, but those are not the norm, and in many cases, doesn't really translate into real world usage.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: anotherkhoi on 24-April-17, 05:25:55
May i ask if the Corsair Vengeance LPX 8GB 2400 cas 14 (CMK8GX4M1A2400C14) could cause the crashing/freezing issue (Windows 10) with the B350 Tomahawk?
Just upgraded my PC with B350 Tomahawk, R5 1600 and the Corsair Vengeance LPX 8GB 2400 cas 14, tried to re-install Windows 10 a lot of times but its just keep crashing/freezing even when i just browsing web. Ran memtest86 more than 2 hours with pass 4/4 without any problem.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: jacki-baldes on 27-April-17, 19:25:43
I´m sorry for my english but i got following problem:

I got a MSI B350 Tomahawk arctic with Ryzen 1600 and GTX 1070.
Because i got small performance issues i want to disable SMT, but i can´t find this option in bios (its not under OC settings at the bottom).
I saw in this forum, that this option was enabled in Bios version 1.31, so i tried to figure out which version i got.
MSI Live update tells me, that there is no Bios update available and that i got Bios Version H.10. 

What can i do?

Thanks!
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 27-April-17, 19:51:38
See : https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=283344.0 (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=283344.0) for the latest version.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: rindman on 27-April-17, 19:56:35
With the latest bios 1.4 the xmp mode works  properly now :) ( Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200 mhz black, Sk Hynix SR ). No Freezes, everything at auto settings ( vcore 1.2, offset in auto goes up to 1.39v with XFR, quite normal since my vid is 1.5v )

I will try some overclocking with adjusting at the lowest vcore possible. Would be nice to have offset setting for tweaking and allowing 0.8v on idle.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: rindman on 27-April-17, 19:58:15
And my board is the gaming pro.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: jacki-baldes on 27-April-17, 20:01:16
See : https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=283344.0 (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=283344.0) for the latest version.
Ty, but i got another question. The official MSI B350 tomahawk site give me Version 1.34 as latest "official" version.
Why doesn´t Live Update 6 proposes it to me as new Bios Version altough it got H.1?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 28-April-17, 02:16:56
Ty, but i got another question. The official MSI B350 tomahawk site give me Version 1.34 as latest "official" version.
Why doesn´t Live Update 6 proposes it to me as new Bios Version altough it got H.1?

B350 Tomahawk =/= B350 Tomahawk Arctic

They are different boards and require different BIOS's. You cannot use the Tomahawk BIOS on a Tomahawk Arctic board.
If you look at the Tomahawk Arctic site ( https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B350-TOMAHAWK-ARCTIC.html#down-bios (https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B350-TOMAHAWK-ARCTIC.html#down-bios) ) you'll see the latest is actually H.3
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: rindman on 28-April-17, 06:02:22
Can we use the Gaming Pro AC's bios on the Gaming Pro ? :D The board doesn't have the additionnal wifi card :P

Success was short lived, on cold boot, it DOES NOT work. It burns the 5 memory try and boot back to default settings ...

I wonder why it only work when the machine started already ... Stupid uefi post memory test
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 28-April-17, 11:47:56
Can we use the Gaming Pro AC's bios on the Gaming Pro ? :D The board doesn't have the additionnal wifi card :P

Success was short lived, on cold boot, it DOES NOT work. It burns the 5 memory try and boot back to default settings ...

I wonder why it only work when the machine started already ... Stupid uefi post memory test

No. There's a reason the BIOS's are different.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: jurigag on 28-April-17, 21:44:04
Had some adata ax4u300038g16-drz 3000 mhz and i had many blue screens on 2677 and 2933 mhz profiles

Bought other ram, corsar cmk16gx4m2b3200c16r and on 3200 mhz it doesn't even run, on 2933 with many tries it run but BSOD on 2677 BSOD too, now i check 2400 mhz.

2400 mhz BSOD too, right now checking 2133 mhz, it's even less stable than this adata was.

I even have blue screen on 2133 mhz and 16-18-18-36 corsair.

Is there any ram which is actually stable on ryzen platform?

Or maybe my MB or CPU is broken? It's MSI B350 Tomahawk and Ryzen 5 1600.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: nikozbk on 28-April-17, 23:28:14
Had some adata ax4u300038g16-drz 3000 mhz and i had many blue screens on 2677 and 2933 mhz profiles

Bought other ram, corsar cmk16gx4m2b3200c16r and on 3200 mhz it doesn't even run, on 2933 with many tries it run but BSOD on 2677 BSOD too, now i check 2400 mhz.

2400 mhz BSOD too, right now checking 2133 mhz, it's even less stable than this adata was.

I even have blue screen on 2133 mhz and 16-18-18-36 corsair.

Is there any ram which is actually stable on ryzen platform?

Or maybe my MB or CPU is broken? It's MSI B350 Tomahawk and Ryzen 5 1600.
Are you overclocking your CPU at all? What's your CPU voltage set to?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: jurigag on 29-April-17, 11:35:50
No, no overclocking, just stock voltage and stock frequency on cpu.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: 99games on 29-April-17, 18:46:18
Had some adata ax4u300038g16-drz 3000 mhz and i had many blue screens on 2677 and 2933 mhz profiles

Bought other ram, corsar cmk16gx4m2b3200c16r and on 3200 mhz it doesn't even run, on 2933 with many tries it run but BSOD on 2677 BSOD too, now i check 2400 mhz.

2400 mhz BSOD too, right now checking 2133 mhz, it's even less stable than this adata was.

I even have blue screen on 2133 mhz and 16-18-18-36 corsair.

Is there any ram which is actually stable on ryzen platform?

Or maybe my MB or CPU is broken? It's MSI B350 Tomahawk and Ryzen 5 1600.





Stable as in runs at advertised speeds? Only one or two that people claim may do that. Gskill trident z CL14 and their flare version. Steer far clear of the trident z's that are not CL14 bc I.M.E they are a ram horror show with this setup.

I'm using the same ram as you corsair lpx 3200 with a 1700x and x370gpc. I built mine few weeks ago. I know bios v1.3 and v1.4 did nothing to improve ram stability for me like they were said to. 
I'm stuck but fairly stable at 2667. Have heard that a few people can run this ram at 2933 or 3200. From what I've gathered my 1700x chip is fairly sub par. Clock speeds and Ipc. Most 1700's I've read about perform better that my 1700x.  As we start going through one bios after another I'm thinking its the Cpu's that are the problem. I'm already in the process of returning my 1700x for a 1700. Saving 103 dollars and having a good chance to have similar or better performance and compatibility anyways.

You shouldnt be BSOD all the time like that though. Something isn't right
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: jurigag on 29-April-17, 18:48:29
Right now im back at adata and no blue screen for around 7 hours at 2933 mhz.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: bobah083 on 29-April-17, 20:46:57
About memory support, why 1T/2T Command rate setting is not in the bios?

My Tomahawk once had started my memory at 2933. And CpuZ was showing 2T. 
But then, next time i booted, it failed to boot, rolled back to 2133. And could not start higher than 2666 ever since. 
[font="Segoe UI", "Helvetica Neue", "Liberation Sans", "Nimbus Sans L", Arial, sans-serif]At 2633 it starts with 1T. [/font]
Memory is dual rank (2x16gb) corsair lpx


I think that i will be able to up my memory frequency once MSI adds that setting.
It looked like "auto" setting once luckily guessed 2T, but does not do that anymore
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 29-April-17, 22:06:39
About memory support, why 1T/2T Command rate setting is not in the bios?

My Tomahawk once had started my memory at 2933. And CpuZ was showing 2T.
But then, next time i booted, it failed to boot, rolled back to 2133. And could not start higher than 2666 ever since.
At 2633 it starts with 1T.
Memory is dual rank (2x16gb) corsair lpx


I think that i will be able to up my memory frequency once MSI adds that setting.
It looked like "auto" setting once luckily guessed 2T, but does not do that anymore

Has nothing to do with MSI, or any other OEM's.

AMD has limited usage to 1T. At this time, that is why there is no 1T/2T selection.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: 99games on 30-April-17, 02:26:18
Ok was gonna post earlier but waited until I did one last test. A cpu swap.
I know this has been said by others but one more couldn't hurt.

I really believe memory speed/ support..etc is mostly dependent on the ryzen cpu, as many here have said as well.

I have been running Ryzen 7 1700x for about 2 weeks now.
X370GPC mobo
Corsair LPX CL16 3200mhz DRAM
Windows 10
Corsair h110i heatsink

Started off on bios v1.2. Did minimal testing but  2400mhz  16-18-18-18-38 was what I got to run
Bios v1.3 - best I ever tested was 2600mhz CL12 it would run but ran much better with CL14
Bios v1.4- exact same as v1.3

I, like many others , believe that AMD made good chips. BUT their product line is nothing more than quality control separations. 7 series has 3 categories of the exact same cpu's with a good amount of variation in each category. my 1700x appeared to run at the lower end and even seemed inferior to majority of the 1700's. So clearly there seems to be overlap across product groups. All I know is they binned off voltage. What frequencies idk

I now have a 1700 running with all the exact same hardware and software. Just popped out 1700x and dropped in 1700.

After a few minutes of testing it out to make sure it wasn't a dud. I started on ram speeds
I have tried exactly 3 restarts testing for what ram speeds will boot.
Again 1700x never would boot higher than 2667, no matter what.

1700

1st try- 2667 16-18-18-18-38 1.35v  Auto everything else (success)
2nd try- 2933 18-20-20-20-40 1.36v  NB .925 auto everything else (success)
3rd try- 3200 18-20-20-20-40 1.36v NB .9375 auto everything else (success) *after power cut off exiting bios.  But I am typing this running 3200
*edit" test 4- A-XMP works 3200mhz 16-18-18-36 with 1700. 
I'm not even using B-die ram
 
So even a 1700 can out performs a 1700x in DRAM support.

AMD did a great job. It isn't perfect though.  Silicon lottery has now extended across binned versions.
Many more aspects to this but got stuff to do

MSI seems to be doing ok by me, clearly in my situation it was the cpu doing the most to hold back top dram speeds
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 30-April-17, 03:55:42
So even a 1700 can out performs a 1700x in DRAM support.

AMD did a great job. It isn't perfect though.  Silicon lottery has now extended across binned versions.
Many more aspects to this but got stuff to do

MSI seems to be doing ok by me, clearly in my situation it was the cpu doing the most to hold back top dram speeds

Thank you! :)

I've been saying it. And there's evidence out there from other users on other forums. 
And, in all honesty, it makes sense that AMD didn't guarantee more than 2667 MHz in very particular situations (from an engineering perspective....).

With all that being said, I'm glad your board is doing better and more like what you desired. That's really what matters. And I'm glad you now have a much better understanding regarding it. :)
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: jurigag on 30-April-17, 11:01:31
Yesterday it worked on adata whole day with 2933 mhz, today after 15 minutes blue screen, annoying.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: londonsmee on 30-April-17, 13:27:58
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Asus GTX 1080Ti ROG Strix OC 11GB GDDR5X Graphics Card
MSI AMD X370 XPOWER GAMING TITANIUM AM4 Socket ATX Motherboard
AMD Ryzen 7 1800X 8 Core AM4 CPU/Processor (4ghz)
Corsair Vengeance Blue LED 32GB Kit DDR4 3200MHz Memory
2 x Samsung 500GB 960 Evo PCIe SSD m.2
Samsung 850 EVO 500GB 2.5inch SSD
Corsair Hydro Series H110i 280mm Extreme Performance Liquid CPU Cooler
Crystal Series 460X RGB Compact ATX Mid-Tower Case

Well have new system up and running. Can't get it past the ram past 2400 at the present, which see by the posts and the image of ram a lot of others having the same issue. Only really posting for its. a 1800x so not just 1700x Hoping for more news soon.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: charles.earl on 01-May-17, 03:56:36
MSI Gaming Pro Carbon X370 user here. Running the 1600X (And previously a 1600 non-X), Paired with 16GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200 RAM kit. Last two BIOS's I've been able to use XMP Profile 1 (2933) no problem at all first try. It will not do Profile 2 yet (3200). Although I won't see much of a performance bump anyway. Just would sound cool. :)

C.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: 99games on 01-May-17, 06:12:14
Thank you! :)

I've been saying it. And there's evidence out there from other users on other forums.
And, in all honesty, it makes sense that AMD didn't guarantee more than 2667 MHz in very particular situations (from an engineering perspective....).

With all that being said, I'm glad your board is doing better and more like what you desired. That's really what matters. And I'm glad you now have a much better understanding regarding it. :)
Thanks man
Np, I've seen you and others here (me included) banging our heads against a wall, and spending loads of time trying to figure it out or explaining it to others. 

I'm am pretty new to most of it but yeah, I was gonna say that the 2667 sounds like they know exactly what's up, that some chips wont be able to process at the higher speeds, at least not yet and don't want the "it wont run 3200mhz ram" as a qualifying reason to RMA the chip. Also they're just being honest which is great. Basically they know about the quality variances within the sub groups.
I haven't done much reading into it, but am curious how AMD binned these processors. Curious if they solely binned based on voltage needed at OEM frequencies. Or did say 1800x chips need to pass other tests to make it on to the 1800x bin list. If they binned solely on voltage needed for X frequency , that would explain how some people even with an 1800x, are having more issues than 1700 owners with things like ram compatibility. As the bios versions mature further, I think these cpu inconsistencies are going to come to light more. Where the only people left not getting high ram speeds are the ones with the subpar chips. Subpar for ryzen. (not just the people who didn't buy 200 dollar ram) Eventually bios and chipset drivers, etc will facilitate the entire lot, but not before people see that AMD made a great cutting edge, value/budget processor that is like every other man made technology, not perfect and could use some improvement. Think most including myself for a time, just heard about the bios issues and assumed it was the sole problem with the ram speeds
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 01-May-17, 12:50:14
I haven't done much reading into it, but am curious how AMD binned these processors. Curious if they solely binned based on voltage needed at OEM frequencies. 

I'm going to guess it's a voltage vs frequency binning. If the chips can do x.xx frequency without going over x.xx voltage, it's an 1800X. And same with the other chips.
If it doesn't make the 1800X, maybe it'll be an 1700X. And if it can't make a 1700X, maybe it becomes a 1700. 
I would also guess that if they had core-fallout, that it might get moved down to a Ryzen 5 as well with cores disabled. That certainly would make some sense to be honest, from a manufacturing standpoint.

But again, I'm just guessing here given the data I've seen. I generally compare frequency vs voltage, while also considering the cooling situation. Obviously LN2 is going to allow a much higher voltage and get a higher frequency.....and that can really skew the comparison. But air coolers and even water coolers have pretty close limits overall when it comes to overclocking.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: mmkgraphx on 01-May-17, 13:06:35
Just a few things discovered while trying to work the memory OC
Someone mentioned using Aida64 to view the SPD XMP memory timings - great tip - didn'y help much
Corsair list the OC timing settings to achieve 3000 (2933) but they didn't work for me.
Corsair Vengeance LED DDR4 3000 (CMU16GX4M2C3000C15) recommended XMP 15-17-17-17-35 @ 1.35 volt.
best I can achieve (stable) with that setup is 2400 . wonky at 2666 . boot fail at 2933
boosted the voltage as high as 1.37 still a no go
BIOS 1.3  MSI B350M Mortar.  XMP Timings suggested by Aida64 via SPD  were 16/20 17 17 17 35 1.35 v
I started the OC stepping with the memory. SO everything else is at auto or default.
waiting for the next BIOS update now.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 01-May-17, 14:38:28
Just a few things discovered while trying to work the memory OC
Someone mentioned using Aida64 to view the SPD XMP memory timings - great tip - didn'y help much
Corsair list the OC timing settings to achieve 3000 (2933) but they didn't work for me.
Corsair Vengeance LED DDR4 3000 (CMU16GX4M2C3000C15) recommended XMP 15-17-17-17-35 @ 1.35 volt.
best I can achieve (stable) with that setup is 2400 . wonky at 2666 . boot fail at 2933
boosted the voltage as high as 1.37 still a no go
BIOS 1.3  MSI B350M Mortar.  XMP Timings suggested by Aida64 via SPD  were 16/20 17 17 17 35 1.35 v
I started the OC stepping with the memory. SO everything else is at auto or default.
waiting for the next BIOS update now.

Did you try taking the NorthBridge voltage up to 1.0V or 1.1V when overclocking the memory?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: marian8gb on 01-May-17, 15:42:18
MSI PRO CARBON
Corsair Dominator Platinum cmd16GX4M2B3000C15  cant take more than 2133 MHz
manualy i can take 2400 or 2667 , but its unstable.....

Bios 1.4

P.S this memory in QVL by Arock(x370) and Corsair sad that its memory work fine with ryzen.

Who know what is it?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: nikozbk on 01-May-17, 21:35:43
Just wanted to post my personal experience:

I couldn't go past 2666 consistently with the 16GB LPX Vengeance 3000MHz Corsair memory (CMK16GX4M2B3000C15), but after switching to the 3200MHz model (CMK16GX4M2B3200C16W) I can now use XMP profile 2, 3200MHz no problem. Same CPU, same BIOS. :shocked: Needless to say I will be returning the 3000MHz kit.

MSI B350 Tomahawk, 1.43 beta BIOS (which is apparently the same as 1.40)
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: mickilbunz on 01-May-17, 23:45:41
I need a little help I'm running x370 carbon Trident z RGB F4-3200c16D-16GTZR kit and a 1600x I have 7.95 of 16gb I've cleared the cmos I've done msconfig settings, I've messed with Run Msc.services and still it says 8gbs the system sees two dims at 16gb but won't use it
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: doom2pro on 02-May-17, 21:59:56
I need a little help I'm running x370 carbon Trident z RGB F4-3200c16D-16GTZR kit and a 1600x I have 7.95 of 16gb I've cleared the cmos I've done msconfig settings, I've messed with Run Msc.services and still it says 8gbs the system sees two dims at 16gb but won't use it

Let me guess you used the G.Skill Beta RGB software? The older versions (maybe even the latest no idea) have a known flaw that corrupt the SPD chips on the modules themselves. The software controls RGB by writing to a special area of the SPD chips, but the Beta software corrupts the other data by accident, and G.Skill has informed users to uninstall it and no longer use it.

You are going to have to RMA your ram.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: doom2pro on 02-May-17, 22:06:10
I'm going to guess it's a voltage vs frequency binning. If the chips can do x.xx frequency without going over x.xx voltage, it's an 1800X. And same with the other chips.
If it doesn't make the 1800X, maybe it'll be an 1700X. And if it can't make a 1700X, maybe it becomes a 1700.
I would also guess that if they had core-fallout, that it might get moved down to a Ryzen 5 as well with cores disabled. That certainly would make some sense to be honest, from a manufacturing standpoint.

But again, I'm just guessing here given the data I've seen. I generally compare frequency vs voltage, while also considering the cooling situation. Obviously LN2 is going to allow a much higher voltage and get a higher frequency.....and that can really skew the comparison. But air coolers and even water coolers have pretty close limits overall when it comes to overclocking.

I wouldn't be surprised if some cut down SKUs with disabled cores are still functional but won't clock as high as the SKU requires, without stability issues or going over TDP.

Even the Memory Controllers have variability, the real question is, are those all binned to run at at least 2400, meaning even an 1800X could have a mediocre memory controller or did they bin the Memory Controller for higher priced SKUs also?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: imwechs on 02-May-17, 22:55:18
Thanks man
Np, I've seen you and others here (me included) banging our heads against a wall, and spending loads of time trying to figure it out or explaining it to others.

I'm am pretty new to most of it but yeah, I was gonna say that the 2667 sounds like they know exactly what's up, that some chips wont be able to process at the higher speeds, at least not yet and don't want the "it wont run 3200mhz ram" as a qualifying reason to RMA the chip. Also they're just being honest which is great. Basically they know about the quality variances within the sub groups.
I haven't done much reading into it, but am curious how AMD binned these processors. Curious if they solely binned based on voltage needed at OEM frequencies. Or did say 1800x chips need to pass other tests to make it on to the 1800x bin list. If they binned solely on voltage needed for X frequency , that would explain how some people even with an 1800x, are having more issues than 1700 owners with things like ram compatibility. As the bios versions mature further, I think these cpu inconsistencies are going to come to light more. Where the only people left not getting high ram speeds are the ones with the subpar chips. Subpar for ryzen. (not just the people who didn't buy 200 dollar ram) Eventually bios and chipset drivers, etc will facilitate the entire lot, but not before people see that AMD made a great cutting edge, value/budget processor that is like every other man made technology, not perfect and could use some improvement. Think most including myself for a time, just heard about the bios issues and assumed it was the sole problem with the ram speeds

   Perhaps to some extent there may be small differences in quality of the Integrated Memory Controller in Ryzen. that may account for  some discrepancies.but that is NOT the primary issue with memory not running at full rated speed.the primary reason is that bu design the IMC works much better  with dimms that are single rank ( not double sided memory) and memory chips with low cas latency like Samsung B die. Most chips on dimms are cheap chips with higher cas latencies. There area couple of lesser factors like cas latencies that are odd numbers like 15 or 17 or 19 for example do not work well with Ryzen. The reason , I have know idea, but it has been established to be true. The bios has a lot to due how memory interacts with Ryzen and there fore is important though not the only factor.  this is a complex issue,but if you are buying or bought memory for a Ryzen build without some investigation of these issues you have to take some responsibility for it. It is a brand new platform and it is never wise to jump in without some fact checking. Planning a new build on a brand new design always encompasses  study of compatibility issues.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 03-May-17, 00:32:51
I wouldn't be surprised if some cut down SKUs with disabled cores are still functional but won't clock as high as the SKU requires, without stability issues or going over TDP.

Even the Memory Controllers have variability, the real question is, are those all binned to run at at least 2400, meaning even an 1800X could have a mediocre memory controller or did they bin the Memory Controller for higher priced SKUs also?

I would imagine that all the Ryzen 7 series chips are checked to verify and work at the rated speeds they advertise (2667 single rank, etc....), but that's probably it. Any more than that and it's just wasted time testing.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: jarl_petersen on 04-May-17, 20:26:55
If my g.skill rgb 3600 dont work on my Titan MSI board.... Them nevet amd agein
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: reni.kiev on 04-May-17, 21:51:22
Это ложное утверждение.
Читать еще раз (осторожно) первое сообщение этой темы.
Одноместный ранг всегда быстрее , чем Dual ранга.
И вот почему:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_rank
 Увеличение количества рядов на модуль DIMM в основном предназначен для увеличения плотности памяти для каждого канала.
Слишком много рангов в канале могут привести к чрезмерной нагрузке и уменьшить скорость канала.

:rtfm:
I'll correct you, for AMD the dual rank is faster.
But raizen capricious. There are tests, reviews confirming this.
The AMD controller depends on the memory speed, very much.
And the dual rank plays a role in contrast to the Intel.

Now about memory and BIOS motherboards.
Why can not we adjust the voltage of SOC?
Why do not we give the adjustment on the bus.
We were limited in overclocking, on chipsets b350.
Bios is not full. What prevents the MSI from including the Command Rate adjustment (CR) 1T 2T ???
Why can not we use all the settings ???
We bought these things right.
And we are limited. Just do not say That it's all AMD.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 05-May-17, 05:44:43
I'll correct you, for AMD the dual rank is faster.
But raizen capricious. There are tests, reviews confirming this.
The AMD controller depends on the memory speed, very much.
And the dual rank plays a role in contrast to the Intel.

Now about memory and BIOS motherboards.
Why can not we adjust the voltage of SOC?
Why do not we give the adjustment on the bus.
We were limited in overclocking, on chipsets b350.
Bios is not full. What prevents the MSI from including the Command Rate adjustment (CR) 1T 2T ???
Why can not we use all the settings ???
We bought these things right.
And we are limited. Just do not say That it's all AMD.

First off, read the first post. It's not true. So please stop propagating something that is well known to be false.
Single Rank will provide higher speeds for the memory (ie frequency) due to the lower load on the IMC.
Dual Rank will provide higher bandwidth in specific situations, and higher density per module. 
No matter how you want to cut it, those are FACTS. You might get higher bandwidth with Dual Rank in specific situations compared to single rank at the same frequency, but nothing guarantees that you'll be able to attain the same frequency either, and given that it's very well known that dual rank stresses the IMC more, it only makes sense for AMD to have dual rank guaranteed at a lower frequency compared to single rank.

SOC? It's NorthBridge voltage within most MSI BIOS's for AM4 systems.
What 'bus'? There's plenty of different 'bus' adjustments that could be made, but using a generic term like that really doesn't point to any specific issue.....
1T and 2T has been discussed at length across many forums. Essentially, bother AMD to fix it. At this time, they have limited it to 1T. Across all OEM's (although some have gone against this and enabled special BIOS's that contain the ability to use 2T, but only for 1 specific version, and a rather old version of the BIOS at that, from what I've seen).

It's not all AMD, but to deny that AMD has limits (look at the memory timings, for any OEM....you'd be a complete fool to think that all the OEM's are only providing 6 to 8 different settings to adjust for memory because thats all they felt like supporting.....) on the OEM's is foolish and not willing to critically evaluate what is going on within the industry. And that's just 1 specific example of it....there's plenty more if you start examining it.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: unt0xic on 05-May-17, 06:19:58
Hello there!

Got as many of here CMK16GX4M2B3000C15 and got the same problems 2400 stable \ 2667 unstable \ 2999 didnt start.

While I trying to findout whats it wrong with this memory or motherbord, I cant avoid DRAM voltage, may be its only for me but i cant really see 1.35 V on my memory.

If I set DRAM voltage at 1.35 i've 1.344. Same situation with 1.36 -> 1.344. And only 1.37 gives 1.36, but not help.

And now here is the question: Is it like should to be? Iam alone have such problem?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: jurigag on 05-May-17, 08:18:26
Looks like the only stable ram for me is adata 2133 mhz. Any other or other frequency is just not stable and blue screen. Hope some bios will fix this.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 05-May-17, 12:18:32
Hello there!

Got as many of here CMK16GX4M2B3000C15 and got the same problems 2400 stable \ 2667 unstable \ 2999 didnt start.

While I trying to findout whats it wrong with this memory or motherbord, I cant avoid DRAM voltage, may be its only for me but i cant really see 1.35 V on my memory.

If I set DRAM voltage at 1.35 i've 1.344. Same situation with 1.36 -> 1.344. And only 1.37 gives 1.36, but not help.

And now here is the question: Is it like should to be? Iam alone have such problem?

Have you tried upping the SOC/NB voltage to 1.05v or 1.1v?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 05-May-17, 12:19:18
Looks like the only stable ram for me is adata 2133 mhz. Any other or other frequency is just not stable and blue screen. Hope some bios will fix this.

What memory do you have? Could you take a picture of the sticker on the memory?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: bonagab87 on 05-May-17, 15:46:41
Hi guys, I'm writing from Italy. I bought an AMD Ryzen 5 1600X, an MSI Krait Gaming and a Corsair Vengeance 3200 LPX. Since I read so many different things you could tell me how fast they can go and how to set them up? For the moment I do not think they can go to 3200 stable without future bios updates so I wanted to know the best way to use them ...
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: unt0xic on 05-May-17, 16:56:19
Have you tried upping the SOC/NB voltage to 1.05v or 1.1v?

Hey! Well, I was try couple of times up NB voltage to 1.0 and 1.1, but not much and it didnt cause any effect on DRAM volt.

What is SOC?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 05-May-17, 18:57:06
Hey! Well, I was try couple of times up NB voltage to 1.0 and 1.1, but not much and it didnt cause any effect on DRAM volt.

What is SOC?

SOC is generally referred to as "System On a Chip", but in this case it really refers to the PCH (Port Controller Hub) that is built into the CPU, and in this case it helps with the memory controller and making it be more stable when you have faster memory and more sticks installed. 

Most people have found that going up to 1.05 or 1.1V helps increase stability at higher memory speeds. However, I wouldn't go much higher than 1.1V. I'm not sure what effect it might have on the system and I'm not sure if it could damage the CPU if you go higher.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: unt0xic on 06-May-17, 16:20:07
SOC is generally referred to as "System On a Chip", but in this case it really refers to the PCH (Port Controller Hub) that is built into the CPU, and in this case it helps with the memory controller and making it be more stable when you have faster memory and more sticks installed.

Most people have found that going up to 1.05 or 1.1V helps increase stability at higher memory speeds. However, I wouldn't go much higher than 1.1V. I'm not sure what effect it might have on the system and I'm not sure if it could damage the CPU if you go higher.
Thank you!

NB voltage no help, I was try 1.1 \ 1.12 \ 1.13 \ 1.14 \ 1.15, no effect on memory at all.

Interesting about DRAM voltage on MSI B350 tomahawk. Is only me have 1.344 V on it? (in all official BIOS ver. at that moment)
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 06-May-17, 16:29:53
You could try upping the DRAM voltage to 1.4V, it shouldn't have any issues. A few videos have said that up to 1.5V is still OK as well, but i'm not real sure about that.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: doom2pro on 06-May-17, 16:31:48
Wait Northbridge or DRAM? I have heard bad things about Northbridge going too high, but DRAM is indeed safe 24/7 at 1.5v.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 06-May-17, 16:32:39
Wait Northbridge or DRAM? I have heard bad things about Northbridge going too high, but DRAM is indeed safe 24/7 at 1.5v.

Fixed. ;)
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: mmkgraphx on 07-May-17, 00:56:18
OK so I tried out the Beta BIOS 1.41 for the B350M Mortar board.
No help for the memory issues there. The BIOS is incomplete.
Several fields don't populate and the Memory voltage control is missing.
Still stuck at 2400 on the memory. Going to look at some different Mem sticks to test 
on the different BIOS levels .. after I flash back to v1.3
I will take a peek at the BIOS version 1.31 beta tomorrow or next week.
Not expecting too much.
:nooo:
However, benchmarks on this rig have been pretty impressive for the cost
Ranking ion the 96th percentile on Passmark. The memory scores are where it lags
against the Intel boxes.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: jdowne04 on 07-May-17, 07:14:15
New to this site but i'm a big fan of MSI i always have good luck with them and to be honest i think i still am having good luck with this haha

Anyways maybe some of you have the same thing but i have the B350 TOMAHAWK and R7 1700 and this ram
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232181

Anyways the thing that is happening is 2933mhz works perfect using AMP1 no issues at all.

But for the life of me i can't seem to get the board to boot once a full shutdown using 3200Mhz windows its 100% stable but once i cold boot nope system sometimes can boot with the second or 3rd try. I tried setting the SOC voltage to 1.1-1.5V and i had no change i even tried setting ram to 1.4V and again no difference. I'll note that my memory is single rank memory.

I'll also say this is more of a ADHD thing vs a actual concern as like i said its 100% stable in windows and i ran benchmarks like crazy also memtest. Can any of you tech MSI geniuses have an idea on whats going on? I notice once i set my CPU V-Core to 1.3V i get a little tinny bit more luck when i do a cold boot.

If anything i want to put this here just so others can say if they have similar issues and at best maybe someone from MSI reads on these forums?

I guess i should also say that post times seem to be a little long compared to my older Intel Z97 build anyways thanks if you guys read this.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: vaggzftw on 07-May-17, 11:18:31
Hey there guys , i need some help setting up my Ram Kits on my MSI B350 Tomahawk
i use the Vengeance LPX 16gb(2x8) 2400mhz kit CMK16GX4M2A2400C14
I can start the PC with 1 stick onboard , but i can find a way to turn it on with both up ,
i installed the Rams as shown , DIMMA2 the first and DIMMB2 the second 
i have upgraded the BIOS to the v.14
and when i am running with 1 solo i have put the th AXP profile 1 as i saw that matched the Timings on 2133 instead of 2400 for stability

any ideas or directiions ?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: PerfectCr on 07-May-17, 22:11:00
OK so I tried out the Beta BIOS 1.41 for the B350M Mortar board. No help for the memory issues there. The BIOS is incomplete. Several fields don't populate and the Memory voltage control is missing. Still stuck at 2400 on the memory. Going to look at some different Mem sticks to test on the different BIOS levels .. after I flash back to v1.3 I will take a peek at the BIOS version 1.31 beta tomorrow or next week. Not expecting too much. :nooo: However, benchmarks on this rig have been pretty impressive for the cost Ranking ion the 96th percentile on Passmark. The memory scores are where it lags against the Intel boxes.
Darn! I have the same board with a Ryzen 5. I have a 2x8GB (16GB) Kit rated at 3000MHz. Part No. CMK16GX4M2B3000C15. Neither A-AMP profile works. The only speed I can get it to POST at is the 2400MHz setting. Obviously 2133Mhz works too :( I hope future BIOS updates will allow A-XMP to work successfully.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: dudko.michael on 08-May-17, 12:26:36
Hi guys, I'm writing from Italy. I bought an AMD Ryzen 5 1600X, an MSI Krait Gaming and a Corsair Vengeance 3200 LPX. Since I read so many different things you could tell me how fast they can go and how to set them up? For the moment I do not think they can go to 3200 stable without future bios updates so I wanted to know the best way to use them ...
Hi! I bought AMD Ryzen 7 1700X, MSI X370 Gaming Pro Carbon (BIOS 1.40) and Corsair Vengeance 3200 LPX (2x8GB, CMK16GX4M2B3200C16R). And, sadly, this memory didn't start at 3200MHz (despite MSI Compatibility List shows my MB support this memory modules at 3200MHz). Maximum I have with this memory - 2933MHz and timings 14-16-16-34. I found on Youtube someone managed start this memory at 3200MHz but not in my case.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: RemusM on 08-May-17, 12:52:32
Maximum I have with this memory - 2933MHz and timings 14-16-16-34.

Not bad at all (presuming it's rock stable).
:biggthumbsup:
p.s.
None of the current CPUs (AMD and Intel both) is guaranteed to work with DDR4-3200.
;-))
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: imwechs on 08-May-17, 15:14:22
Not bad at all (presuming it's rock stable).
:biggthumbsup:
p.s.
None of the current CPUs (AMD and Intel both) is guaranteed to work with DDR4-3200.
;-))
That is not a proper answer in my opinion. Everybody knows Agesa 1.06 based bios releases are coming in the next 7 to 8 days. Give the guy some hope that his issue will be addressed very soon. I see MSI stepping up their game and I am optimistic. that soon they will have a bios that will bring the vast majority of ddr4 3200 and higher memory  users up to full speed with their AM4 Ryzen motherboard offerings. Let's give a hands up for MSi's recent bios releases which are definitely steps in the right direction.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: Nichrome on 08-May-17, 15:24:39
Although that's the truth.. Officially above 2400MHz is not guaranteed to work.
AMD and MSI surely work hard to get RAM compatibility improved, but there is no magical button to make all different kits to suddenly work fine.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: dudko.michael on 08-May-17, 16:12:33
Not bad at all (presuming it's rock stable).
:biggthumbsup:
p.s.
None of the current CPUs (AMD and Intel both) is guaranteed to work with DDR4-3200.
;-))
Yes, it is not bad :) And my PC is working stable (for one week there wasn't any crashes).

For now memory at 3200MHz is a big luck. But when I looked for what memory to buy I looked in Compatibility List very carefully. And I thought if MSI specifies in Compatibility List memory supports 3200MHz so it is a big chance this memory could actually work at 3200MHz. But speed 2933MHz is also not so bad. It is not very much difference between 3200MHz (timings 16-18-18-36) and 2933MHz (timings 14-16-16-34).
And of course I hope new AGESA 1.0.0.6 will fix memory compatibility.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 08-May-17, 16:27:35
It all comes down to 1 thing realistically.....IS AMD going to loosen up their timing specs?
If they do, and start allowing 2T command rate, then sure, I don't see any problems getting more memory to operate at 3200 MHz....

If they don't....all bets are off and I would almost guarantee that if you aren't running at or very close to 3200 MHz now (ie 2933MHz or higher), you probably won't in the future.

Again, this is all speculation on my part.....but think about it logically. AMD want's 1T command rate. They've shown no indication of that changing. And that's realistically the limiting factor with the memory.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: RemusM on 08-May-17, 17:06:11

If they do, and start allowing 2T command rate, then sure, I don't see any problems getting more memory to operate at 3200 MHz....

If they don't....all bets are off and I would almost guarantee that if you aren't running at or very close to 3200 MHz now (ie 2933MHz or higher), you probably won't in the future.

Probably true.
Another big problem is the current CPU samples:
using the SAME memory module(s), 7 of 10 CPUs do not operate stable or do not operate at all at 3200 MHz.
And any BIOS update won't change that !

On the other hand, higher speed with tight timings is possible with overvolting only.
But that's a faulty activity and leads to damaged components very fast.
:beerchug:
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: colinhawk97 on 08-May-17, 18:58:50
It all comes down to 1 thing realistically.....IS AMD going to loosen up their timing specs?
If they do, and start allowing 2T command rate, then sure, I don't see any problems getting more memory to operate at 3200 MHz....

If they don't....all bets are off and I would almost guarantee that if you aren't running at or very close to 3200 MHz now (ie 2933MHz or higher), you probably won't in the future.

Again, this is all speculation on my part.....but think about it logically. AMD want's 1T command rate. They've shown no indication of that changing. And that's realistically the limiting factor with the memory.
Dude, you are a genius. I've been scouring forums, spec sheets, manuals, and tinkered myself for over a week now with combined amount of hours nearing about 50 trying to solve why my brand new, fresh installed Ryzen PC would BSOD left and right, seemingly without cause or solution, until I read practically everything you've written in this forum.
The point about command rate, specifically Ryzen wanting 1T only, might be a major factor. 

Right now, I am only able to run 2133 MHz on my X370 Gaming Pro Carbon with my 16 GB (2x8 GB) 2400 MHz 15-15-15-35 PNY Anarchy when I do the following:

- Reduce timings to at best 18-20-20-20-38

- Raise voltage to at lowest 1.4v DRAM

- Raise voltage to at lowest 1.1v CPU NB (uncore)

- Disable all boosting features on my CPU

- Limit to 3.2 GHz on my R5 1600

- Run fans a little higher to eliminate possibility for thermal throttling

- Fresh installed Windows with as few drivers and installed programs as possible for stability

And only then am I getting a reasonably stable system. It's definitely very slow in games (even with a Fury X) because of the very low CPU clock speeds, horrible RAM speed and timings, and lack of any OC on my GPU for stability's sake. But so far, I've finally gotten it not to crash for a while. 

That said, do you have any other wisdom? Is there anything I could potentially do to get it to just 2400 MHz and CL15? I'm pretty sure that was tested at 2T, but I'm not afraid to throw some more voltage at the thing if I have to in order to get decent timings at 2400 MHz. I just want a stable system at this point.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 08-May-17, 20:18:00
Dude, you are a genius. I've been scouring forums, spec sheets, manuals, and tinkered myself for over a week now with combined amount of hours nearing about 50 trying to solve why my brand new, fresh installed Ryzen PC would BSOD left and right, seemingly without cause or solution, until I read practically everything you've written in this forum.
The point about command rate, specifically Ryzen wanting 1T only, might be a major factor.

Right now, I am only able to run 2133 MHz on my X370 Gaming Pro Carbon with my 16 GB (2x8 GB) 2400 MHz 15-15-15-35 PNY Anarchy when I do the following:

- Reduce timings to at best 18-20-20-20-38

- Raise voltage to at lowest 1.4v DRAM

- Raise voltage to at lowest 1.1v CPU NB (uncore)

- Disable all boosting features on my CPU

- Limit to 3.2 GHz on my R5 1600

- Run fans a little higher to eliminate possibility for thermal throttling

- Fresh installed Windows with as few drivers and installed programs as possible for stability

And only then am I getting a reasonably stable system. It's definitely very slow in games (even with a Fury X) because of the very low CPU clock speeds, horrible RAM speed and timings, and lack of any OC on my GPU for stability's sake. But so far, I've finally gotten it not to crash for a while.

That said, do you have any other wisdom? Is there anything I could potentially do to get it to just 2400 MHz and CL15? I'm pretty sure that was tested at 2T, but I'm not afraid to throw some more voltage at the thing if I have to in order to get decent timings at 2400 MHz. I just want a stable system at this point.

At this time, no. I'm in the process of actually having a Ryzen test system myself (one dedicated to testing), and once that's up and running, I can probably provide more information. Until then, the best I can say is to set the NB or SOC voltage to 1.1V, and set the DRAM/DIMM voltage to 1.4 to a MAX of 1.5V and see if that helps improve stability or overclocking capability. 
Those are the 2 voltages that will help the most at this time.
If you've got one of the newer BIOS's, you can try the AXMP setting or the different profiles, or even the Memory Try IT feature, but no guarantee that it'll work or improve it for you.

Realistically, it just comes down to the RAM, the settings AMD requires (like 1T command rate), and just very slightly what the BIOS does.

Also, as a side note, my current understanding is that the BIOS's tend to use even number CL rates, so for your CL15, I'd manually use 16.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: colinhawk97 on 08-May-17, 20:38:59
At this time, no. I'm in the process of actually having a Ryzen test system myself (one dedicated to testing), and once that's up and running, I can probably provide more information. Until then, the best I can say is to set the NB or SOC voltage to 1.1V, and set the DRAM/DIMM voltage to 1.4 to a MAX of 1.5V and see if that helps improve stability or overclocking capability.
Those are the 2 voltages that will help the most at this time.
If you've got one of the newer BIOS's, you can try the AXMP setting or the different profiles, or even the Memory Try IT feature, but no guarantee that it'll work or improve it for you.

Realistically, it just comes down to the RAM, the settings AMD requires (like 1T command rate), and just very slightly what the BIOS does.

Also, as a side note, my current understanding is that the BIOS's tend to use even number CL rates, so for your CL15, I'd manually use 16.
I greatly appreciate you taking the time to respond. I'm definitely a little frustrated with the situation, but I know it's just the nature of a brand new platform at this point and yelling at anyone isn't going to make it go faster. I know I've got stable settings (or at least it appears so) right now, so I will save those and then try 2400 MHz. If that doesn't work, then I'll just try 2133 at CL16 instead of 18. I just hope I can improve the situation slightly. If it seems stable, I might even try going to 3.6 GHz on my 1600, which I certainly should have the headroom to do.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 08-May-17, 21:01:27
I greatly appreciate you taking the time to respond. I'm definitely a little frustrated with the situation, but I know it's just the nature of a brand new platform at this point and yelling at anyone isn't going to make it go faster. I know I've got stable settings (or at least it appears so) right now, so I will save those and then try 2400 MHz. If that doesn't work, then I'll just try 2133 at CL16 instead of 18. I just hope I can improve the situation slightly. If it seems stable, I might even try going to 3.6 GHz on my 1600, which I certainly should have the headroom to do.

I would say that if you can't get to 4.0 GHz, leave it alone. 4.0 GHz is your max frequency with XFR, and if you can't hit that you lose performance on single core speed.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: papasteack on 08-May-17, 23:47:07
Just loaded bios 1.5 on a B350 tomahawk.
Any idea about the new but (for the moment?) empty section "Advanced timing configuration" and "Misc item" in memory clock ?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 09-May-17, 00:22:24
Just loaded bios 1.5 on a B350 tomahawk.
Any idea about the new but (for the moment?) empty section "Advanced timing configuration" and "Misc item" in memory clock ?

They probably haven't added anything to them yet, would be my guess.

Also, remember, 1.5 is just the released version of 1.51....so if you were on 1.51, it shouldn't be any different for the most part.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: phrost on 09-May-17, 01:08:19
I had a comment and a question.
1] it looks like AMD is working on a RAM compatibility fix and it should hopefully come with AGESA 1.0.0.5 (or maybe 1.0.0.6)
https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cpu_mainboard/am4_motherboards_will_soon_be_receiving_a_new_agesa_microcode_update/1

2] That said, I currently have my 1600X running at 4ghz with standard "Game Boost" BIOS setting, my RAM is currently running at 2933mhz (RAM preset profile #1). The A-XMP profile #2 (I believe this A-XMP and not regular XMP) won't run stably. I got it to boot windows a few times but after that it default back to 2133mhz. I just wanted to ask if it's safe to run the system at these default OC clock speeds long term? cpu-z reports my core voltage voltage as 1.448V (hwmonitor says CPU VCORE is 1.448V and VID is 1.550V), aida64 says my DIMM voltage is 1.36V.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 09-May-17, 03:59:49
I had a comment and a question.
1] it looks like AMD is working on a RAM compatibility fix and it should hopefully come with AGESA 1.0.0.5 (or maybe 1.0.0.6)
https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cpu_mainboard/am4_motherboards_will_soon_be_receiving_a_new_agesa_microcode_update/1

2] That said, I currently have my 1600X running at 4ghz with standard "Game Boost" BIOS setting, my RAM is currently running at 2933mhz (RAM preset profile #1). The A-XMP profile #2 (I believe this A-XMP and not regular XMP) won't run stably. I got it to boot windows a few times but after that it default back to 2133mhz. I just wanted to ask if it's safe to run the system at these default OC clock speeds long term? cpu-z reports my core voltage voltage as 1.448V (hwmonitor says CPU VCORE is 1.448V and VID is 1.550V), aida64 says my DIMM voltage is 1.36V.

1) it remains to be seen. I've seen and heard rumors about 1.0.0.6 for about a month....but I'm a 'I'll believe it when I see it' kinda guy. (ie I'm an engineer... :P )

2) Vcore seems high....but under load that should be OK. As long as the idle temperatures seem OK (ie <40C in a 25C room) then I would say you're fine. VID is also OK, I wouldn't worry about it, let the motherboard handle it, if you haven't played with it. As far as DIMM's, they should handle up to 1.5V roughly speaking. I wouldn't go any higher than that.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: imwechs on 09-May-17, 13:20:21
I had a comment and a question.
1] it looks like AMD is working on a RAM compatibility fix and it should hopefully come with AGESA 1.0.0.5 (or maybe 1.0.0.6)
https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cpu_mainboard/am4_motherboards_will_soon_be_receiving_a_new_agesa_microcode_update/1

2] That said, I currently have my 1600X running at 4ghz with standard "Game Boost" BIOS setting, my RAM is currently running at 2933mhz (RAM preset profile #1). The A-XMP profile #2 (I believe this A-XMP and not regular XMP) won't run stably. I got it to boot windows a few times but after that it default back to 2133mhz. I just wanted to ask if it's safe to run the system at these default OC clock speeds long term? cpu-z reports my core voltage voltage as 1.448V (hwmonitor says CPU VCORE is 1.448V and VID is 1.550V), aida64 says my DIMM voltage is 1.36V.



It is supposed to come with agesa code 1.06 . The X370 Titanium just had a bios update this morning to official bios 1.6  . It however is the old agesa 1.04a code not even 1.04b and has no noticeable impact on 4 dimm configration speeds. I ammired at 2667mhz since 1.5 official bios. I assume we will have to wait another 7-10 daus beforeMSI gives us the agesa 1.6 update that will take us to the promised land. There were no new features in bios 1.6 for x370 Titanium.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: georgeb32 on 09-May-17, 15:25:32
For anyone having issues getting Hynix based DRAM like the Corsair (CMK16GX4M2B3200C16) try setting the DRAM voltage to 1.5V and then try stepping it down until its unstable. 1.5 is as high as you want to go to get your desired clock. I got 3200 running stable on tight timings. Previously I couldn't get anything to boot at 1.35V. I have noticed a bug(feature?) on my Tomahawk B350, when you set the voltage on anything that turns red in the GUI, it ramps up the CPU fan speed.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: RemusM on 09-May-17, 16:47:30
For anyone having issues getting Hynix based DRAM like the Corsair (CMK16GX4M2B3200C16) try setting the DRAM voltage to 1.5V and then try stepping it down until its unstable.

1.2V = the best voltage for DDR4
1.35V = good voltage for XMP profiles
1.5V = the absolute max voltage allowed for DDR4

And be aware: your readings are never 100% accurate.
So around 1.5V there is a big chance for :oc:
;D
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: georgeb32 on 09-May-17, 18:11:54
I worked backwards from 1.5 to 1.420~, I'm overclocking here, not taking it on a walk in the park.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: Nichrome on 09-May-17, 18:13:09
1.5V is max that's considered as safe. At least according to some dude from AMD during some training ;D
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: RemusM on 09-May-17, 18:24:50
I worked backwards from 1.5 to 1.420~, I'm overclocking here, not taking it on a walk in the park.

I thought you're overclocking in the park ...
;D
In any case, to start with 1.5V is a bad move.
If you want to overvolt the memory modules, start frrom 1.35V
;-))
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: poornachandarprakash on 09-May-17, 18:55:14
Today I had updated the latest bios (Ver 7A34v15) Msi b350 tomahawk red led  , Still XMP2 is not working , I get XMP1 2933mhz, which is my highest last option

My Ram :   G.Skill Trident Z F4-3200C16D-16GTZB 16GB 3200MHz DDR4 288-Pin 
http://www.amazon.in/G-Skill-Trident-F4-3200C16D-16GTZB-3200MHz-288-Pin/dp/B015FY3BJ2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00

Is anyone using the same hardware?????. Do anyone has this same issue????? how can I solve it...????
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: georgeb32 on 09-May-17, 19:01:29
Today I had updated the latest bios (Ver 7A34v15) Msi b350 tomahawk red led  , Still XMP2 is not working , I get XMP1 2933mhz, which is my highest last option

My Ram :   G.Skill Trident Z F4-3200C16D-16GTZB 16GB 3200MHz DDR4 288-Pin
http://www.amazon.in/G-Skill-Trident-F4-3200C16D-16GTZB-3200MHz-288-Pin/dp/B015FY3BJ2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00

Is anyone using the same hardware?????. Do anyone has this same issue????? how can I solve it...????
Set the timing/clocks manually to match the XMP profile you want to use, and bump the voltage. I think those chips are Samsung's, so they don't need much work to stabilize. Try 1.38~ on the RAM

Edit, just checked, those are Samsung chips, but they are E-Die not B-Die and might require some tinkering.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: jdowne04 on 09-May-17, 21:31:21
Hi i tried looking online but do you guys think these are also Samsung?

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232181

2933mhz at default timings work great but even at 18-20-20 something(try it function on board) my board refuses to boot with those 3200  BUT its 100% stable in windows. It's kind of annoying haha mainly since its well stable in windows i'm not sure how ryzen master works for ram but it wants me to restart the PC if it changes settings in the bios i know my system won't boot but if its just in windows i'm just going to use that.

Anyways thanks to anyone who has experience with this i will note that performance does for sure go up in benchmarks using 3200 with my 1080.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: Nichrome on 09-May-17, 21:38:23
Hi i tried looking online but do you guys think these are also Samsung?

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232181

2933mhz at default timings work great but even at 18-20-20 something(try it function on board) my board refuses to boot with those 3200  BUT its 100% stable in windows. It's kind of annoying haha mainly since its well stable in windows i'm not sure how ryzen master works for ram but it wants me to restart the PC if it changes settings in the bios i know my system won't boot but if its just in windows i'm just going to use that.

Anyways thanks to anyone who has experience with this i will note that performance does for sure go up in benchmarks using 3200 with my 1080.
Use CPUZ to save a report as txt file and send it over to me. Then I should be able to check what chips your RAM is using.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: georgeb32 on 09-May-17, 23:38:20
Hi i tried looking online but do you guys think these are also Samsung?

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232181

2933mhz at default timings work great but even at 18-20-20 something(try it function on board) my board refuses to boot with those 3200  BUT its 100% stable in windows. It's kind of annoying haha mainly since its well stable in windows i'm not sure how ryzen master works for ram but it wants me to restart the PC if it changes settings in the bios i know my system won't boot but if its just in windows i'm just going to use that.

Anyways thanks to anyone who has experience with this i will note that performance does for sure go up in benchmarks using 3200 with my 1080.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232221&cm_re=F4-3200C15D-16GVK-_-20-232-221-_-Product These are supposed to be B-Die
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: jdowne04 on 10-May-17, 03:17:00
Use CPUZ to save a report as txt file and send it over to me. Then I should be able to check what chips your RAM is using.



Ok i sent the file
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: gabrielpin70 on 10-May-17, 07:31:14
Anyone knows what AGESA the latest B350 TOMAHAWK V15 Bios is running? I hope it ain't the AGESA 1006 because this Bios only degraded a bit my memory compatibility, it won't boot at 2667 1.35volts, now only at 1.36volts for some reason, and i'm still stuck at 2667 with AXMP-1. Tried 1.1v on NB. 1.4Dram, increasing timings to 18-20-20-20-28 and 45ohms in cpu impedance and yet nothing. My mem kit BLE4G4D32AEEA 4X4GB 3200mhz Micron chipset.

I hope the next Bios gets AGESA 1006 out, pretty much my last hope to get to 2933 at least.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 10-May-17, 11:34:42
Anyone knows what AGESA the latest B350 TOMAHAWK V15 Bios is running? I hope it ain't the AGESA 1006 because this Bios only degraded a bit my memory compatibility, it won't boot at 2667 1.35volts, now only at 1.36volts for some reason, and i'm still stuck at 2667 with AXMP-1. Tried 1.1v on NB. 1.4Dram, increasing timings to 18-20-20-20-28 and 45ohms in cpu impedance and yet nothing. My mem kit BLE4G4D32AEEA 4X4GB 3200mhz Micron chipset.

I hope the next Bios gets AGESA 1006 out, pretty much my last hope to get to 2933 at least.

1.0.0.6 hasn't been released to even OEM's atm, as far as I'm aware.

Until AMD allows 2T timing, I wouldn't expect any RAM kit to hit it's advertised speeds unless it specifically says 'Ryzen certified' or something to that effect.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: londonsmee on 10-May-17, 12:00:08
X370 XPOWER GAMING TITANIUM  (MS-7A31) V1.6 BIOS Release
-----------------------------------------------------------------

1. This is AMI BIOS release

2. This BIOS fixes the following problem of the previous version:

-  Improved memory compatibility.
-  Fixed PCIe Hot-plug function issue.

3. 2017/5/03

Not found it's helped with vengeance dual  pc4-25600 can only get to 2999. :(  still dreaming of 3200 /
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: Nichrome on 10-May-17, 15:24:43
Ok i sent the file
Hynix.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: gabrielpin70 on 10-May-17, 19:13:48
By the way, my memory kit afaik is dual rank but CPU-Z states as a Single Rank so i'm pretty confused, since it also doesn't state pretty much anywhere if they are dual or single.

BLE4G4D32AAEA can anyone check?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 10-May-17, 19:31:17
By the way, my memory kit afaik is dual rank but CPU-Z states as a Single Rank so i'm pretty confused, since it also doesn't state pretty much anywhere if they are dual or single.

BLE4G4D32AAEA can anyone check?

That really isn't nearly enough information to begin figuring out what it is....

Who makes it? What's the model number?

Doing a search for what you provided turns up nothing....
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: gabrielpin70 on 10-May-17, 20:22:52
That really isn't nearly enough information to begin figuring out what it is....

Who makes it? What's the model number?

Doing a search for what you provided turns up nothing....

Oh, Really Sorry had a Typo.

It is BLE4G4D32AEEA, Crucial Ballistix Elite 2x4gb 3200mhz Micron chipset
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 10-May-17, 21:02:44
Well, I'm just going to take a guess and say that they are single rank. Only because they are only 4gb sticks and that seems to be about the minimum memory size for DDR4.

I haven't been able to dig up any specific information regarding ranking and such for them.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: gabrielpin70 on 10-May-17, 21:06:46
Well, I'm just going to take a guess and say that they are single rank. Only because they are only 4gb sticks and that seems to be about the minimum memory size for DDR4.

I haven't been able to dig up any specific information regarding ranking and such for them.

Yeah manufacturers should state specs like these more clearly, but why am i getting such a hard time going past 2667 if they are single rank, weird... thought it'd make more sense if they where dual rank.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 10-May-17, 22:50:45
Yeah manufacturers should state specs like these more clearly, but why am i getting such a hard time going past 2667 if they are single rank, weird... thought it'd make more sense if they where dual rank.

Well....The best thing I can suggest is that most likely to go above 2667 MHz it requires a command rate of 2T, and since Ryzen won't do that, that is what is holding it up.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: xfxp1384 on 11-May-17, 09:07:00
Though my ram (CMK16GX4M2B3200C16)  is listed on that compatibility list, [probably it's not because one that's listed is Samsung's B-die, while mine is SK Hynix's M-die]

I can't get 3200mhz regardless. I've been testing for two months since the official BIOS v1.0 up to 1.5, the best I can get is 2933 Mhz with the A-XMP profile 1, I think it was since the beta v1.21

(https://i.imgur.com/w5azb2r.png)(https://i.imgur.com/w8ubJ8r.png)

I hope to see the full support one day :)

BTW One thing I noticed is that the new BIOS 1.4 and 1.5 don't seem to be stable with Overclocking my Ryzen R7 1700, I used to get 3.9Ghz w/ 1.35v, but somehow it is unstable now, so I did 3.7 Ghz w/ 1.24 instead, I think I can still do 3.8 but 

I'd rather go with lower voltage.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: charles.earl on 11-May-17, 13:55:51
Though my ram (CMK16GX4M2B3200C16)  is listed on that compatibility list, [probably it's not because one that's listed is Samsung's B-die, while mine is SK Hynix's M-die]

I can't get 3200mhz regardless. I've been testing for two months since the official BIOS v1.0 up to 1.5, the best I can get is 2933 Mhz with the A-XMP profile 1, I think it was since the beta v1.21

(https://i.imgur.com/w5azb2r.png)(https://i.imgur.com/w8ubJ8r.png)

I hope to see the full support one day :)

BTW One thing I noticed is that the new BIOS 1.4 and 1.5 don't seem to be stable with Overclocking my Ryzen R7 1700, I used to get 3.9Ghz w/ 1.35v, but somehow it is unstable now, so I did 3.7 Ghz w/ 1.24 instead, I think I can still do 3.8 but

I'd rather go with lower voltage.

I have the exact RAM on the Gaming Pro Carbon with a 1600X and before that a 1600. The RAM will only do 2933 with XMP Profile 1. Kinda upset with the store as I said I needed this to be Samsung Bdie and it is Hyinx. Only learned how to tell after the return period expired. Now I have to sell it and take a hit. Not sure I will even do that. Anyway, glad it's not just me.

C.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: jdowne04 on 13-May-17, 20:23:13
So Gigabyte has the newer Agesa 1.0.0.5 
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 13-May-17, 23:41:56
So Gigabyte has the newer Agesa 1.0.0.5

This isn't really relevant here. This is MSI. 
Good for Gigabyte. They released 2 beta BIOS's.

But that really means absolutely nothing here. This is an MSI forum. So let's keep it relegated to that, ok?
As far as MSI's beta BIOS's, there is nothing to post. We haven't seen any updates from our sources since the last time I updated it. For now, we continue waiting. And hope that those new BIOS's don't brick boards.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: jdowne04 on 14-May-17, 00:00:42
I basically only posted that to give others hope that MSI will update soon too, hoping in a few days anyways. 

Edit i most certainly didn't post that trying to poke fun cause i'm a pretty big MSI fan. Basically all i buy is MSI boards and GPU's and if i was going to buy a gaming laptop MSI would be my choice as well. 

Anyways for a brand new platform i only have a few issues with this board one being memory support which is the same as any other board. Slow boot times compared to my older Z97 gaming 5 MSI board and when i go to change settings in the overclock settings the board wants to change my fan profiles. 

I contacted MSI about the boot times as many other people and i forgot to talk about the fan issue.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: gabrielpin70 on 14-May-17, 23:43:20
My b350 tomahawk is booting pretty much instantly with both v1.4 and v1.5 bios
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: doom2pro on 15-May-17, 17:43:26
Edit, just checked, those are Samsung chips, but they are E-Die not B-Die and might require some tinkering.

Not according to Thaiphoon Burner... Have the same kit (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR), and it reports manufacturer as Hynix A-Die.


Prepared by Thaiphoon Burner Super Blaster
-------------------------------------------------------------
                         MEMORY MODULE
-------------------------------------------------------------
Manufacturer             : G.Skill
Part Number              : F4-3200C16-8GTZR
Serial Number            : 00000000
JEDEC DIMM Label         : 8GB 1Rx8 PC4-2133-UA1-11
Architecture             : DDR4 SDRAM UDIMM
Speed Grade              : DDR4-2133
Capacity                 : 8 GB (8 components)
Organization             : 1024M x64 (1 rank)
Register Manufacturer    : N/A
Register Model           : N/A
Manufacturing Date       : Undefined
Manufacturing Location   : Taipei, Taiwan
Revision / Raw Card      : 0000h / A1 (8 layers)
-------------------------------------------------------------
                        DRAM COMPONENTS
-------------------------------------------------------------
Manufacturer             : Hynix
Part Number              : H5AN8G8NAFR-TFC
Package                  : Standard Monolithic 78-ball FBGA
Die Density / Count      : 8 Gb A-die (21 nm) / 1 die
Composition              : 1024M x8 (64M x8 x 16 banks)
Clock Frequency          : 1067 MHz (0.938 ns)
Minimum Timing Delays    : 15-15-15-36-50
Read Latencies Supported : 16T, 15T, 14T, 13T, 12T, 11T, 10T
Supply Voltage           : 1.20 V
XMP Certified            : 1600 MHz / 16-18-18-38-56 / 1.35 V
XMP Extreme              : Not programmed
SPD Revision             : 1.1 / September 2015
XMP Revision             : 2.0 / December 2013
-------------------------------------------------------------
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: gabrielpin70 on 15-May-17, 21:48:40
Typhoon shows my memory kit dram manufacturer as Undefined, but the initial raw card designer as: Sk Hynix, and die revision E 20nm

My memory Kit is Crucial Ballistix Elite 3200mhz BLE4G4D32AEEA.K8FE

I'm guessing it is Hynix because of the raw card designer.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: gabrielpin70 on 15-May-17, 21:49:47
And Number of DIMM Ranks : 1, does that mean it is single rank?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: peterangelo1969 on 16-May-17, 19:02:58
Crap I got a lot of reading to do.  :shocked:
Just set up my system on Saturday.
Instantly upgraded my bios and make sure my drivers were all up to date.
Got the darn thing to quickly bench mark, but it is as unstable as ... well it isn't stable. Will try some of the suggestions here, looks like I need to shelve a pair of memory sticks to improve stability, (seems mostly I'm seeing blue screens related to memory compatibility).

Any quick fixes would be appreciated as I'm not looking forward to sifting through 6 pages of forum threads.
I do want to get this thing stable, so I can attempt to push the cpu a few notches( wouldn't mind suggestions on that either).

Here's the bench
UserBenchmarks: Game 103%, Desk 122%, Work 104% (http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/3695782)
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600X (http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/AMD-Ryzen-5-1600X/Rating/3920) - 89.3%
GPU: Nvidia GTX 1070 (http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Nvidia-GTX-1070/Rating/3609) - 99.3%
SSD: Samsung 960 Evo NVMe PCIe M.2 500GB (http://ssd.userbenchmark.com/SpeedTest/204072/Samsung-SSD-960-EVO-500GB) - 259.1%
HDD: Seagate Barracuda 2TB (2016) (http://hdd.userbenchmark.com/Seagate-Barracuda-2TB-2016/Rating/3897) - 94.1%
RAM: Unknown 2666 C15 Series 4x4GB (http://ram.userbenchmark.com/SpeedTest/102775/Unknown-2666-C15-Series-4x4GB) - 76.2%
MBD: MSI B350 TOMAHAWK ARCTIC(MS-7A34) (http://www.userbenchmark.com/System/MSI-B350-TOMAHAWK-ARCTICMS-7A34/52834)

and here's the relevant specs with full part numbers:
CPU: Ryzen 5 1600X (YD160XBCAEWOF)
CPU-Cooler: MSI Core Frozr L
MB:  MSI B350 Tomahawk Artic
Mem: Patriot Viper 4 2666MHz (4g x 4) (PV416G266C5QK)
GPU: MSI GTX 1070 Armor 8g OC
SSD: Samsung 960 Evo 500Gb NVMe M.2 (MZ-V6E500BW)
HD: Seagate 2TD (SD2000DM006)
PSU: EVGA SuperNova 650 GS (220-GS-0650-V1)
OS: Win 10 64bit

Thanks all.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 16-May-17, 20:07:24
Stick to default memory timings for now. Don't bother with 2400 or even 2667 until the system is stable.

Take the Northbridge/SOC voltage to 1.1V.
Up your DIMM voltage to 1.4V, maybe 1.45V to see if it helps.


That's really about the only big things you can do.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: peterangelo1969 on 16-May-17, 21:45:54
Stick to default memory timings for now. Don't bother with 2400 or even 2667 until the system is stable. Take the Northbridge/SOC voltage to 1.1V. Up your DIMM voltage to 1.4V, maybe 1.45V to see if it helps. That's really about the only big things you can do.

Thanks for the quick response, is there a pair of 4gb sticks that are proven stable I can pick up in the meanwhile? I'd rather shelve the higher performance stuff until they iron out the bios issues.


In my experience, when a board is having issues such as this, it can take several months for issues to get ironed out.  I'd rather pick up a "second choice" memory solution then suffer through the pain of weekly bios flashing, (I've some DDR3 2400 sitting around, but I doubt that will even work on this new board), Suggestions?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: peterangelo1969 on 17-May-17, 04:46:19
It didn't take long.

First let me thank those of you who have put some thought towards my dilemma.

Got home, was already down clocked to 1866MHz, bumped up the North Bridge and the DIMM voltage, and hard coded in the timings printed on the memory, was stable for about an hour.
Pulled two sticks.. .. no luck.. still got to the blue screen.

Really thinking I need to pick up something that is working as a work around 8g's of something fairly cheap.  I'll try the speedy 2666 memory in a few months, maybe late august to see if it still has issues.

Anyone got  8g's preferably (4gx2) of suggestion that isn't too spendy but is known to work flawlessly?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: Nichrome on 17-May-17, 09:20:17
Prices of RAM has gone up recently, and very often 2133MHz costs the same as 2666MHz or similar. 

I will say that nothing is guaranteed to work. I would suggest to stay with what you have until AMD, MSI and RAM manufacturers gets microcode, BIOS and those XMP profiles fine tuned.
Although I heard that GSkill Flarex is working pretty well, and many people hit the promised speeds (even 3200MHz).
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 17-May-17, 12:02:52
I've been eyeing up the FlareX and the Trident Z RGB (just for fun.....). If I had the extra cash right this second to do it, I'd buy them in a heartbeat.
Many have hit the 3200 MHz with both the FlareX and the Trident Z RGB's. 
I saw on Newegg that 16 GB (2x8gb) of the Trident Z RGB's was going for $150, which I didn't think was bad.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: ritzkaiden on 17-May-17, 17:43:51
Hello Everyone,

I hope this question isn't bothersome.  I'm a bit confused and just want to make sure I'm taking the right steps to ensure that my second build attempt doesn't end up like the first.

I'll be ordering the MSI x370 Gaming Pro Carbon motherboard tomorrow, to replace a DOA Asus 370. I'll be pairing it with a Ryzen 1700x and 2 sticks of 8Ggig Corsair Vengeance LPX RAM modules @ 3200 mhz. (CMK16GX4M2B2300C16W)

I have a few questions regarding RAM and compatibility.

First, I understand that these-
1866 MHz for 4 DIMMs in dual channel and dual rank.
2133 MHz for 4 DIMMs in dual channel and single rank.
2400 MHz for 2 DIMMs in dual channel and dual rank.
2666 MHz for 2 DIMMs in dual channel and single rank.

-Are the only RAM types supported by both my CPU and MOBO and as such my current pair of 8 gig @ 3200 might not work at all, and if they do will at best function at 2666 MHz. 

I wish to nip this potential issue in the bud prior to receiving my motherboard and starting my second build attempt. Ultimately, I want to run 32 gigs at 3200. I bought 2 @ 3200 with the intention of expanding to 4 later on.  I don't mind purchasing and running (2 x 16) 32 gigs @ 2133 (4 DIMMs, is that how that works?) but I would prefer not having to downgrade and re-purchase sticks @ 3200 if/when the updates eventually permit them.

TL: DR -  I am wondering if it would be prudent to return my 2 3200 sticks which might not work, and exchange them for 2 sticks @ 2666Mhz? Or would be giving my current set a chance the more prudent option? Can they be down-clocked with this motherboard, if, at all? I haven't found sufficient consumer testimony to justify either option as of yet. Any advice is appreciated.

Thank you
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: dudko.michael on 17-May-17, 20:07:37
Hello Everyone,

I hope this question isn't bothersome.  I'm a bit confused and just want to make sure I'm taking the right steps to ensure that my second build attempt doesn't end up like the first.

I'll be ordering the MSI x370 Gaming Pro Carbon motherboard tomorrow, to replace a DOA Asus 370. I'll be pairing it with a Ryzen 1700x and 2 sticks of 8Ggig Corsair Vengeance LPX RAM modules @ 3200 mhz. (CMK16GX4M2B2300C16W)

Hi.

I have almost the same configuration. The only difference is - I have memory CMK16GX4M2B3200C16R (red radiator), your choice - CMK16GX4M2B3200C16W (white radiator).
And my system works stable with memory at 2933MHz and timings 14-16-16-34. Even this memory listed in compatibility list supported at 3200MHz, I couldn't run my system with memory at 3200MHz.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 17-May-17, 23:24:24
bunch of stuff

Those numbers you listed are the guaranteed from AMD. You will be limited by the CPU and the AGESA code.
Both come from AMD, and until they start allowing more timing parameters and allow a command rate of 2, you most likely won't get 3200 MHz with that memory.
But, as others have suggested, you will probably get 2933 MHz.

Ultimately, if you want 3200 MHz without any issues, I would probably look into getting the G.Skill Flare X modules rated for 3200 MHz. Those apparently work very well at 3200 MHz.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: ritzkaiden on 18-May-17, 13:37:34
Hi.

I have almost the same configuration. The only difference is - I have memory CMK16GX4M2B3200C16R (red radiator), your choice - CMK16GX4M2B3200C16W (white radiator).
And my system works stable with memory at 2933MHz and timings 14-16-16-34. Even this memory listed in compatibility list supported at 3200MHz, I couldn't run my system with memory at 3200MHz.

2933Mhz is acceptable, assuming I can replicate your results. Thank you for the timing, I'll note for my configurations.  I think I'll stick with these, for now, and purchase the G Skill Flare X sticks Darkhawk suggested for the eventual upgrade. 

Both of your responses were extremely helpful. Thank you very much for taking the time, I appreciate it.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: xsauron on 19-May-17, 01:11:30
Hi, I have a litle confused :-(. I have memory G.SKill FlareX AMD 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 3200  F4-3200C14D-16GFX and motherboard X370 XPOWER GAMING TITANIUM with last BIOS 7A31v16.

I went into BIOS and set second profile A-XMP with 3200Mhz. Reset PC, PC start, run Windows 10, but it craches every in a fev seconds after start.

CPU is on standard clock 3600 Mhz. What is wrong? How set it. This memory is on compatible list...
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 19-May-17, 02:30:13
Have you tried other things that have been discussed? Such as increasing the NB voltage? What about the DIMM voltage?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: imwechs on 19-May-17, 14:25:53
Hi, I have a litle confused :-(. I have memory G.SKill FlareX AMD 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 3200  F4-3200C14D-16GFX and motherboard X370 XPOWER GAMING TITANIUM with last BIOS 7A31v16.

I went into BIOS and set second profile A-XMP with 3200Mhz. Reset PC, PC start, run Windows 10, but it craches every in a fev seconds after start.

CPU is on standard clock 3600 Mhz. What is wrong? How set it. This memory is on compatible list...


You have got the correct memory but I suspect one dimm is defective. Please do a memory test for at least a couple of hours. Memtest x86 is a decent tester. If any errors occur run it again. iF THE SAME ERROR IS CONFIRMED CALL G.SKILL AND HAVE THEM SEND YOU A NEW KIT.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: wvance92 on 19-May-17, 17:07:23
I have a B350 Tomahawk as well with 16gb Corsair Vengeance Red LED 3000mhz. I flashed the bios to get the XMP profiles to get it to run at 2933mhz and haven't had a problem. I agree with sticking with the bigger name companies when it comes to the RAM. As we go on though, always be looking for the updates if your RAM is not yet compatible.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: makac7 on 19-May-17, 18:28:15
Darkhawk (or any other knowledgeable person :) ), 

Could you please tell me more information of Trident Z RGB sticks? I think you may have done a lot more research on that than I did.

My Current Build:

UserBenchmarks: Game 70%, Desk 70%, Work 54%
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1500X - 75.2%  ----------------- Ordered Ryzen 5 1600 to replace this
GPU: AMD RX 580 - 74.6% (Asus Strix RX580 8gb OC)
SSD: Intel 600p Series NVMe PCIe M.2 512GB - 69.9% ------------------- Ordered Samsung 960 EVO 500gb to repalce this
HDD: Seagate Momentus 2.5" 750GB (2010) - 43.6%
USB: SanDisk Extreme USB 3.0 32GB - 88.3%
RAM: Unknown CL16-16-16 D4-3200 2x8GB - 78.2% --- GeIL EVO X 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) Desktop Memory Model GEX416GB3200C16DC
MBD: MSI B350 GAMING PRO CARBON (MS-7B00)

As you can see, the dram I am using now seem to be the SK Hynix Dual Rank CL16 type. My system boots with both XMP 2 (3200) and XMP 1 (2933), but works a lot more stable on 2933 (the system will occasionally shut down and hang on CPU post - no BSOD is shown, and I have to manually shut down and restart the PC, and it powers back in just normal, but will not go through CPU post without this hard reset, also the first time it powers back after hard reset after this failure, it seems like my GPU fans are spinning REALLY fast and loud (probably as fast as they can possibly go) for about 2-3 sec, and then go back to normal and work properly - just throwing this here in case maybe somebody will be able to help with with this issue as well). I've heard that the best options now is to run the Samsung B-die single rank sticks, which it is my understanding that Trident Z RGB is.

The one I am looking at is G.SKILL TridentZ RGB Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) Desktop Memory Model F4-3200C14D-16GTZR (https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232485) 

They also have the same sticks in CL16 version, which is ~30 bucks less, but it is my understanding that it will be SK Hynix Dual Rank, and not Samsung B Die Single rank, which will defeat my purpose.

So the questions is, would you recommend me switching to the TridentZ CL14 sticks?

P.S. I am also a little bit concerned with the Trident Z RGB performance RGB-wise. I read some topics that their software is conflicting with any other software that use mbus to communicate with RGB components (such as MSI Gaming app for Mystic Sync, Asus Aura, etc). I happen to run both those apps since my board is MSI and my card is Asus, and I am afraid of potential compatibility issues.

Do you know if Trident Z RGB is directly supported by MSI Mysitc Light? (My understanding is that the RGB problem will not be an issue, as long as you don't install G.Skill software, which is currently in beta mode and pretty buggy).

I hope you guys can help me to make the right decision.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 19-May-17, 20:34:44
I would get the Trident Z RGB (CL14) as you have proposed.
WORST CASE....you install the G.Skill software and turn the LED's off or set them to a single color to match your scheme....and then leave them off completely and don't use the app anymore.
The G.Skill software will write some (small amount) of data to the memory that is stored on the RAM (same memory chip where all the jedec information is kept), and you shouldn't need the app anymore after that.

My best guess is that they shouldn't interfere with the MSI and Asus gear, as long as you don't have the software running.


Personally, once I have the spare cash, I'll be getting a set of those sticks for my own system, so I can move the DDR4 from my Ryzen test system to the Z270 test system I have.


NOW....if you're still hesitant regarding the RGB, you could always get the G.Skill Flare X sticks instead (they have NO LED's though). Those are made and guaranteed (I believe) to work with Ryzen at the advertised speeds.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: makac7 on 19-May-17, 20:48:17
Thanks for the update! I think I am going to give the TridentZ a shot while I still have my Geil EVO. If everything works as expected, I'll return the Geil memory, and if something fails, Ill return the trident.

Have you seen any good offers for trident z? Newegg has them for ~180 now, which is kind of pricey. I was hoping that Jet would have it (they have 15% off coupon on everything - would save me 30 buks), and it looks like they have ALL the TridentZ RGB variations BUT the 2x8 3200 CL14. (they have it in 4 sticks kit, and they also have the 2x8 3200 CL16).

I do want the RGB aspect of dram, since I built everything in the TT View 31 RGB Case and I would like the components to match my color scheme. Also waiting for that AIO RGB Water Cooler TT announced on CES 2017 - looks pretty damn nice.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 19-May-17, 20:53:15
No offers that I'm aware of.
It's a premium kit, I'd be surprised if it gets much if any cheaper. Could try amazon maybe.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: imwechs on 20-May-17, 00:49:24
Quote from: darkhawk (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=283351.msg1606189#msg1606189)
AMD officially supports what is listed in the first post. Anything more is overclocking. Period. ie it is NOT GUARANTEED to work.

Some people can run their systems at 3200 MHz. They manually tuned the system voltages and memory to get those speeds. MANUALLY.

Things have changed from the olden days, where things 'just worked'. It isn't like that anymore. If you want to hit those speeds, you'll need to manually set the timing according to your RAM, as well as changing the system voltages to match it and allow those speeds.
I want to sincerely thank the moderators here who have given their time here voluntarily to try to help resolve our memory issues. I wish to pass on some information now that MSI bios development staff should know. Elnor, the master overclocker, on overclock.net,  who is also an Asus employee gave out two beta bios hotlinks today for the ROG Crosshair VI motherboard. These beta bioses are based on Agesa 1.06 code and help with memory compatibility  with several dimm modules including G.Skill Hynix base dimms and G.Skill Samsung B-die based dimms particularly 4 dimm kits of 8 GB each. Also two 16Gb dimm configurations were also included in these two beta bios releases. So it is near time for MSI to start opening beta releases again to MSI Ryzen motherboard users so we can to benefit from this code. Action not suspense is the keyword here.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 20-May-17, 05:23:00
I want to sincerely thank the moderators here who have given their time here voluntarily to try to help resolve our memory issues. I wish to pass on some information now that MSI bios development staff should know. Elnor, the master overclocker, on overclock.net,  who is also an Asus employee gave out two beta bios hotlinks today for the ROG Crosshair VI motherboard. These beta bioses are based on Agesa 1.06 code and help with memory compatibility  with several dimm modules including G.Skill Hynix base dimms and G.Skill Samsung B-die based dimms particularly 4 dimm kits of 8 GB each. Also two 16Gb dimm configurations were also included in these two beta bios releases. So it is near time for MSI to start opening beta releases again to MSI Ryzen motherboard users so we can to benefit from this code. Action not suspense is the keyword here.

MSI never stopped development? 
Just because OEM X releases a new BIOS, doesn't mean that OEM Z needs to. 

Quit demanding releases and understand that they are a company with limited resources, much like any other. They will release a BIOS when they are ready to and when they deem it safe for users to even beta test it. And it's not as if we stopped posting BETA BIOS's. We can't post something that doesn't exist.

Quite frankly, I'm tired of having to remind everyone that if there was SOMETHING to post, it would get posted. If there was a new BIOS available from our source, we'd be posting it ASAP. Be patient, and realize that we (the moderators) are not with holding any BIOS's. We are releasing them as FAST as we can, when they are available. There's absolutely no reason that any user should need to be reminded whenever AMD announces a new AGESA release. If you haven't understood yet, after many conversations and posts, that we are doing everything we can, and continue posting like that, it just makes you a troll.

Constantly asking, every few days, is trolling. And quite frankly, I will not bother posting your BIOS if this continues. It will be known that YOU are the reason those users don't get a new BETA BIOS.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: phrost on 20-May-17, 06:15:46
MSI never stopped development?
Just because OEM X releases a new BIOS, doesn't mean that OEM Z needs to.

Quit demanding releases and understand that they are a company with limited resources, much like any other. They will release a BIOS when they are ready to and when they deem it safe for users to even beta test it. And it's not as if we stopped posting BETA BIOS's. We can't post something that doesn't exist.

Quite frankly, I'm tired of having to remind everyone that if there was SOMETHING to post, it would get posted. If there was a new BIOS available from our source, we'd be posting it ASAP. Be patient, and realize that we (the moderators) are not with holding any BIOS's. We are releasing them as FAST as we can, when they are available. There's absolutely no reason that any user should need to be reminded whenever AMD announces a new AGESA release. If you haven't understood yet, after many conversations and posts, that we are doing everything we can, and continue posting like that, it just makes you a troll.

Constantly asking, every few days, is trolling. And quite frankly, I will not bother posting your BIOS if this continues. It will be known that YOU are the reason those users don't get a new BETA BIOS.
I would just ignore people like that. Remember not all of us are like that. I, for one, appreciate everything you do for this community. I'm also an MSI fan, and there's a reason why I went with them over ASUS or ASRock.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 20-May-17, 06:40:24
I would just ignore people like that. Remember not all of us are like that. I, for one, appreciate everything you do for this community. I'm also an MSI fan, and there's a reason why I went with them over ASUS or ASRock.

Thanks. We do take pride in what we do here, with as little resource as we have. 

We don't ask to be thanked constantly, and you don't need to praise us.

We just want users to understand that we're humans, users just like you guys. Which means we have feelings, and get tired of things all the same.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: imwechs on 20-May-17, 09:03:19
I would just ignore people like that. Remember not all of us are like that. I, for one, appreciate everything you do for this community. I'm also an MSI fan, and there's a reason why I went with them over ASUS or ASRock.


What was my high crime? I only mentioned what the competition is doing. I do appreciate the efforts of moderation here. They have a difficult job . It is only reasonable for MSI development team to know they have to be competitive.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: mr.raider2 on 20-May-17, 14:30:28
Is their a tool or method to tell if my RAM is dual or single rank?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: doom2pro on 20-May-17, 14:40:46
Is their a tool or method to tell if my RAM is dual or single rank?

Yes, Thaiphoon burner...

It's what lots of people in here have been using to show their RAM specs.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: ben on 20-May-17, 23:09:47
I really appreciate having an active and happy community - it does give me the sense that we'll eventually get somewhere on the memory issue.  Like many others I have the Corsair LPX 3000 RAM which was on the AMD compatibility list.  Like many others, I have had no luck putting the memory over 2133.

If there's a solution other than witchcraft, I'd love to know what. I've waited and can wait a while more.

ND
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: charles.earl on 21-May-17, 18:46:25
Gaming Pro Carbon X370 user here... paired with a 1600X.

My Corsair LPX Vengeance 3200 MHz 16GB kit (Black Spreader) is running @ 2667 (14,16,16,34) via the MEMORY TRY IT feature in the BIOS. While I can post using XMP Profile 1 (2933) it does not like to stay there after subsequent reboots.

This is with BIOS 1.5 and 1.4.

Processor seems happy at 3.9 GHz as well.

Charles.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: gabrielpin70 on 21-May-17, 19:43:02
I have been looking at the b350 tomahawk support page every day praising there is going to be a v16 bios with agesa 1006 and it never does! i hope it comes this week at least.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: xsauron on 21-May-17, 20:24:36
Have you tried other things that have been discussed? Such as increasing the NB voltage? What about the DIMM voltage?
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`Thx for tip. Now it works.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: reni.kiev on 21-May-17, 21:40:04
I have been looking at the b350 tomahawk support page every day praising there is going to be a v16 bios with agesa 1006 and it never does! i hope it comes this week at least.
Asus is testing beta bios AGESA 1.0.0.6.
Users are happy with the increase in memory speed. So far, I've only seen one, dual rank 3200 megahertz :)
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: shessen88 on 22-May-17, 20:45:42
I can't seem to find the link for approved RAM types from AMD. Can someone link it?

Also, can someone post a few 2400Mhz (I'd prefer not to overclock until this situation has stabilized) 8gbx2 kits that are compatible with my Ryzen 1600 and b350 Tomahawk, assuming my Tomahawk's BIOS has been updated to support the Ryzen?

Here's the ones I found on my own, but I'd like someone with more building knowledge to double check. (Relative newbie here, only on my 2nd PC build, and I don't really understand how to check for dual/single rank as mentioned in the first post)

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16820215041
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01EWBFZSE/?tag=pcpapi-20
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B017NW5NZY/?tag=pcpapi-20
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232174&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker,%20LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 23-May-17, 00:13:57
Any of those should work at 2133 at a minimum.
They will most likely work at 2400....but it's not certain.

I plan on getting these : https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232485&cm_re=g.skill_trident_z_rgb-_-20-232-485-_-Product

Those will work at 3200 MHz without issue.

Another option is the G.Skill Flare X sticks, as those will work at the rated speeds on a Ryzen system.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: dylanbeattie26 on 23-May-17, 12:20:27
Hi everyone i have just bought the follwing setup (waiting for it to arrive this week)
however after some research i believe my ram will not be supported.
i am wondering if after the bio's updates (which i have downloaded and ready to go)
will my ram be supported or even work at the 3200MHz?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: Nichrome on 23-May-17, 12:27:09
Hi everyone i have just bought the follwing setup (waiting for it to arrive this week)
however after some research i believe my ram will not be supported.
i am wondering if after the bio's updates (which i have downloaded and ready to go)
will my ram be supported or even work at the 3200MHz?
There is nothing guaranteed. It will surely work at 2133MHz, but above is just guessing.
BIOS updates might help in the future, but no idea how much it will actually help.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: dylanbeattie26 on 23-May-17, 12:33:23
Thank you for the fast reply.
I was stressing that it wouldn't work at all
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: Nichrome on 23-May-17, 12:35:58
Thank you for the fast reply.
I was stressing that it wouldn't work at all
Very unlikely. DDR4 is universal and works with any motherboard that supports DDR4. It's only a matter if you will run native 2133MHz or overclocked 3200MHz or so. But there is so many variables that you have to be lucky if you get 2800MHz+ on AM4 at the moment.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: rpmrneves on 23-May-17, 15:09:21
So, here I am sharing my experience so far.
First of all, I bought the following equipment:

After setting all up I went for some O.C. First, the memories didn't boot @ 3200 MHz but I was already expecting that. The A-XMP profile didn't work as well, as it didn't recognize any profile for my memories so I decided I gave it a try with the timings. After setting the timings to 14-14-14-25 at 1.35V guess what? It worked, 3200MHz were achieved and my CPU was @ 3.8 - 1.35V. I ran some AIDA64 tests and it went good, with no problems. I shut my pc down and went to bed. 2 days later, I turn the pc on and it didn't boot, starting  to reboot up to 5 times (resetting everything). I found this odd, but OK it could be unstable with those timings. The memories were @ 2133 MHz again. I updated the BIOS and now I could choose between 2 A-XMP profiles! I went for the second one, 15-15-15-35 @ 1.35V and it worked again! This time I put the CPU @ 3.75GHz - 1.3375V. I ran AIDA64 tests for an hour, played LoL, CS:GO, everything went great. I though I'd find the pc sweet spot. Until I rebooted it... The boot failed again and it started rebooting again and resetting all the memory settings. Basically, everytime I reboot or shut the pc down it resets all the settings... Can anyone help me on this? This is just ridiculous, as it works well in Windows, it's stable but it just won't boot.
Best Regards
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: xsauron on 23-May-17, 16:28:45
HI II have G.Skill Flare X. I have this memory on 3200Mhz, but application dont work stabi. Dou you have some tip how set  memory and NB voltage on https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/X370-XPOWER-GAMING-TITANIUM.html.

Thx for tips
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: rpmrneves on 23-May-17, 17:12:37
Quote from: xsauron (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=283351.msg1623106#msg1623106)
HI II have G.Skill Flare X. I have this memory on 3200Mhz, but application dont work stabi. Dou you have some tip how set  memory and NB voltage on https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/X370-XPOWER-GAMING-TITANIUM.html.

Thx for tips

Hey, try to manually set the timings to 14-14-14-34 and the voltage to 1.35V, 1.4V.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: craig.karnes on 23-May-17, 17:51:24
The Geil Super Luce 8gb x 2 3000mhz kit seems to work well in my setup for anyone still building:  https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16820144922 (https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16820144922).  I'm running a B350 Tomahawk with Ryzen 1500x and the memory will run both 3000mhz and even 3200mhz using the XMP profile 2 @ 1.35v and auto CAS latency settings (15-17-17-35).  The only difference in the 3 versions is the led color, which can be had in white, red or blue and pulses/throbs based on the ram temp.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: xsauron on 23-May-17, 19:52:42
[attachthumb=1]
PC is still not stabi. For example 3d Mark or some stress test cause fail. Ths is my setting of BIOS and I dont know, how set it for stabi behavior.
Please check screenshots.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: imwechs on 24-May-17, 19:10:08
Quote from: darkhawk (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=283351.msg1623001#msg1623001) Any of those should work at 2133 at a minimum. They will most likely work at 2400....but it's not certain. I plan on getting these : https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232485&cm_re=g.skill_trident_z_rgb-_-20-232-485-_-Product Those will work at 3200 MHz without issue. Another option is the G.Skill Flare X sticks, as those will work at the rated speeds on a Ryzen system.
HI II have G.Skill Flare X. I have this memory on 3200Mhz, but application dont work stabi. Dou you have some tip how set  memory and NB voltage on https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/X370-XPOWER-GAMING-TITANIUM.html.

Thx for tips
I installed the beta 1.72 bios yesterday and it has a myriad of new settings. Do you think you could ask support to provide us with a guide for settings that would aid us in reaching higher memory overclocks. I know each dimm is different but there has to be commonality of methodology. I really have no knowledge of many of these value both for timings and voltage. Of course I know dram voltage, soc/cou-nb voltage, . But what about vddp  and so may of the other settings? A users guide to these settings with an advisor who is knowledgeable would be of great assistance to not only ,me , but so many others. Otherwise it is almost like the blind leading the blind. NO aspersions intended, but I think you understand what I am trying to say. Thank you so much for all of your assistance.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: swmcmillanuk on 25-May-17, 12:22:15
Hello all,

I've recently built my self a new Ryzen 5 rig and having issues which do sound alot similar to many of the problems on here.

Spec:

MSI B350M Gaming pro
Ryzen 1600X
Samsung 960 evo 256gb M.2
Team Group Vulcan 2x8GB DDR4 2400 CL14-16-16-31 1.2V TLGD416G22400HC14DC01 (this Ram is on the approved list)
Corsair H100i 
Asus Rog Strix GTX1080 

I have no problems posting and can get into the bios, i am running the bios in opitmised defaults (cpu @ 3.6Ghz and Ram at 2133) and have now had the same issue with 3 different sets of ram.

I can boot into windows without any issues but once in the mouse cursor stutters and lags, and all programs do this as well. I had sent the board and chip back to overclockers uk when i was using corsair lpx ram, they tested on one of their rigs and had no problems with team group stuff so i bought some of that to replace the corsair kit, i'm guessing this is another RAM issue.

Has anyone got any tips on what i can do? I only had time last night to rebuild the machine and get windows on. Will set the ram timings manually this eve and start to bump up the voltage slowly to see if that improves stability.

I will get CPU-Z installed this eve so i can see what everything is set to within windows.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 25-May-17, 12:31:22
I installed the beta 1.72 bios yesterday and it has a myriad of new settings. Do you think you could ask support to provide us with a guide for settings that would aid us in reaching higher memory overclocks. I know each dimm is different but there has to be commonality of methodology. I really have no knowledge of many of these value both for timings and voltage. Of course I know dram voltage, soc/cou-nb voltage, . But what about vddp  and so may of the other settings? A users guide to these settings with an advisor who is knowledgeable would be of great assistance to not only ,me , but so many others. Otherwise it is almost like the blind leading the blind. NO aspersions intended, but I think you understand what I am trying to say. Thank you so much for all of your assistance.

At this time, I'm not aware of any of the new settings that can help improve memory timings.

Realistically, there isn't much that can help with the timing outside of voltage (both SOC and DRAM) and LLC for any board out there. All the other settings that I've seen that were added won't make a huge difference if you're using A-XMP and such.
About the only thing I can really comment on is sticking to even numbered timings. My understanding (this is anecdotal btw....not a 'fact') is that Ryzen apparently likes even numbered timing and odd numbered timing can cause 'oddities'.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 25-May-17, 12:32:56
Hello all,

I've recently built my self a new Ryzen 5 rig and having issues which do sound alot similar to many of the problems on here.

Spec:

MSI B350M Gaming pro
Ryzen 1600X
Samsung 960 evo 256gb M.2
Team Group Vulcan 2x8GB DDR4 2400 CL14-16-16-31 1.2V TLGD416G22400HC14DC01 (this Ram is on the approved list)
Corsair H100i
Asus Rog Strix GTX1080

I have no problems posting and can get into the bios, i am running the bios in opitmised defaults (cpu @ 3.6Ghz and Ram at 2133) and have now had the same issue with 3 different sets of ram.

I can boot into windows without any issues but once in the mouse cursor stutters and lags, and all programs do this as well. I had sent the board and chip back to overclockers uk when i was using corsair lpx ram, they tested on one of their rigs and had no problems with team group stuff so i bought some of that to replace the corsair kit, i'm guessing this is another RAM issue.

Has anyone got any tips on what i can do? I only had time last night to rebuild the machine and get windows on. Will set the ram timings manually this eve and start to bump up the voltage slowly to see if that improves stability.

I will get CPU-Z installed this eve so i can see what everything is set to within windows.

I would make a thread in the Gaming Motherboards forum and start there....this really isn't the thread to provide support for that kind of an issue, as I don't believe it's memory related.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: imwechs on 25-May-17, 13:45:03
Quote from: darkhawk (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=283351.msg1623541#msg1623541)
At this time, I'm not aware of any of the new settings that can help improve memory timings.

Realistically, there isn't much that can help with the timing outside of voltage (both SOC and DRAM) and LLC for any board out there. All the other settings that I've seen that were added won't make a huge difference if you're using A-XMP and such.
About the only thing I can really comment on is sticking to even numbered timings. My understanding (this is anecdotal btw....not a 'fact') is that Ryzen apparently likes even numbered timing and odd numbered timing can cause 'oddities'.
Of course yo cannot use A-XMP if you want to use some of the new settings especially with 4 dimms.. I tried upping frequency to 3333mhz with 2 dimms and looser timings, it would not work. With 4 dimms I am still at 2667mhz. The reason I see no change in spite of utilizinmg some relatively obscure settings, is that the 1.72 bios is STILL based on Agesa code 1.04a . I found this out by reading all motherboard data with HWinfo64 a very useful and accurate program. My estimate, only an estimate, is that many of the new settings are not fully functional until the agesa code is update to 1.06 or even the less capable 1.05. I expect more work is to be done and I am glad that this 1.72 beta bios is a step in the right direction.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 25-May-17, 17:47:29
Of course yo cannot use A-XMP if you want to use some of the new settings especially with 4 dimms.. I tried upping frequency to 3333mhz with 2 dimms and looser timings, it would not work. With 4 dimms I am still at 2667mhz. The reason I see no change in spite of utilizinmg some relatively obscure settings, is that the 1.72 bios is STILL based on Agesa code 1.04a . I found this out by reading all motherboard data with HWinfo64 a very useful and accurate program. My estimate, only an estimate, is that many of the new settings are not fully functional until the agesa code is update to 1.06 or even the less capable 1.05. I expect more work is to be done and I am glad that this 1.72 beta bios is a step in the right direction.

Let's set just a few things straight...since you're always out for spreading mis-information. I'm quite tired of that at this point.....


1. New BIOS for Tomahawk and Gaming Plus and PC Mate are all based on 1.0.0.6. I know this for a fact.
2. New BIOS for the X370 XPower Titanium is also based on 1.0.0.6. I know this for a fact.
3. There are more and better ways to look into the AGESA version. A version info number in HWINFO64 doesn't really do much anymore, given how many times the OEM's have forgotten to change the version.

All that being said, what more do you want? I'm sorry your RAM isn't working well. If it's that huge of a concern, get better, more supported RAM. Or get a new CPU. Maybe that one will have a better IMC. But things have gotten better for many people. Many are now getting even higher than 3200 MHz, some 3600 MHz and higher.
If it's that huge of a concern to have such fast memory, then find someone who has memory running at 3600+ MHz and get the same memory as them.

Last i checked though, IF doesn't scale much or well after 3000 MHz or so. Granted it was a bit hard to get anything higher than 3200 MHz on most boards, but still. With 1.0.0.6 now, we should be able to see fully how Infinity Fabric scales over frequency. My guess though is that what was true before will still be true, past 3 GHz IF won't scale well.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: nesty1990 on 26-May-17, 03:29:57
At this time, I'm not aware of any of the new settings that can help improve memory timings.

Realistically, there isn't much that can help with the timing outside of voltage (both SOC and DRAM) and LLC for any board out there. All the other settings that I've seen that were added won't make a huge difference if you're using A-XMP and such.
About the only thing I can really comment on is sticking to even numbered timings. My understanding (this is anecdotal btw....not a 'fact') is that Ryzen apparently likes even numbered timing and odd numbered timing can cause 'oddities'.

set geardown mode to disabled - now you are able to use odd numbered timings :yes:
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: tim_genardo2 on 26-May-17, 06:20:27
Recently (finally)had success hitting 3200mhz on my corsair LPX (CMK16GX4M2B3200C16W) after updating to beta bios h.51(release 5/23/17).:yes:
I used the memory try me! feature set at 3200mhz with 16-18-18-18-36.
I updated from the old h.4 versions after failing go above 2600mhz on the same ram with any previos bios before h.51.
Cpu is running at 3.9ghz with 1.3875 on the Vcore
Mainboard Model        B350 TOMAHAWK ARCTIC(MS-7A34) (0x00000729 - 0x55F0E290)
Windows Version            Microsoft Windows 10 (10.0) Professional 64-bit   (Build 15063)
DirectX Version            12.0
sys spec SCREENSHOT:  CLICK HERE (https://ibb.co/epPeNa)
Thanks to Darkhawk who prpvided links for bios
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: RemusM on 26-May-17, 08:31:05
My guess though is that what was true before will still be true, past 3 GHz IF won't scale well.

Past 2933 MHz to be more precise.
On the other hand, 3200 MHz with 4 memory modules is not guaranteed with any BIOS, timings and voltages.
:beerchug:
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 26-May-17, 12:05:28
Past 2933 MHz to be more precise.
On the other hand, 3200 MHz with 4 memory modules is not guaranteed with any BIOS, timings and voltages.
:beerchug:

Very true....however.....MANY are seeing 3000 to even 4000 with the latest AGESA code updates. I would test it, if I had memory that was more than 2400 MHz right now in my Ryzen system..... ;)
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: RemusM on 26-May-17, 12:21:44
MANY are seeing 3000 to even 4000 with the latest AGESA code updates.

Yes, but with 2 memory modules only.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 26-May-17, 12:32:01
Yes, but with 2 memory modules only.

One of the moderators here managed 2933 MHz with 4 without any issues. Higher on the other hand, he said he was having some issues.

Even so, 2933 is still a great speed for 4 modules. 

:)

Things can only get better.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: RemusM on 26-May-17, 12:51:30
One of the moderators here managed 2933 MHz with 4 without any issues.

We've tested a few dozens of motherboards and Ryzen CPUs.
In two cases 2933 MHz was stable with some Corsair x4 kits.

But I was talking about 3200 Mhz with 4 modules: not possible so far.

Another important note: with brand new components, overclocking might look stable.
But after a while, most of the overclocked components start to fail.
:beerchug:
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 26-May-17, 13:11:47
We've tested a few dozens of motherboards and Ryzen CPUs.
In two cases 2933 MHz was stable with some Corsair x4 kits.

But I was talking about 3200 Mhz with 4 modules: not possible so far.

Another important note: with brand new components, overclocking might look stable.
But after a while, most of the overclocked components start to fail.
:beerchug:

Very true.
I experienced this myself recently with my 1500X.
At first I could easily do 4.0 GHz with 1.3875V.
2 weeks later and it crashes on any stress test/game. So I'm back down to 3.9 GHz.

Sadly, my  memory is only 2400 MHz, so I can't do much there to see how it helps....yet....eventually I'll try and get some good 3200 or even 4000 GHz just to see if it works and how well.
;)
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: imwechs on 27-May-17, 02:29:02
Quote from: darkhawk (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=283351.msg1623623#msg1623623)
Let's set just a few things straight...since you're always out for spreading mis-information. I'm quite tired of that at this point.....


1. New BIOS for Tomahawk and Gaming Plus and PC Mate are all based on 1.0.0.6. I know this for a fact.
2. New BIOS for the X370 XPower Titanium is also based on 1.0.0.6. I know this for a fact.
3. There are more and better ways to look into the AGESA version. A version info number in HWINFO64 doesn't really do much anymore, given how many times the OEM's have forgotten to change the version.

All that being said, what more do you want? I'm sorry your RAM isn't working well. If it's that huge of a concern, get better, more supported RAM. Or get a new CPU. Maybe that one will have a better IMC. But things have gotten better for many people. Many are now getting even higher than 3200 MHz, some 3600 MHz and higher.
If it's that huge of a concern to have such fast memory, then find someone who has memory running at 3600+ MHz and get the same memory as them.

Last i checked though, IF doesn't scale much or well after 3000 MHz or so. Granted it was a bit hard to get anything higher than 3200 MHz on most boards, but still. With 1.0.0.6 now, we should be able to see fully how Infinity Fabric scales over frequency. My guess though is that what was true before will still be true, past 3 GHz IF won't scale well.
I did not lie if developers forget to update the information string in their bios is that MY FAULT?? Your attitude toward me is totally uncalled for. I have G.Sklil FlareX memory it is guaranteed Ryzen compatible . Its is Samsung B-die memory, the memory that works best with Ryzen. I am NOT bellyaching. I am simply reporting the facts of my situation.   I still have hopes. The bios is beta it can and will undoubtedly be improved.So you are totally misreading my attitude and I wish you would take a deep breath and relax. I have made no accusations against anyone and certainly not against the bios development team.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 27-May-17, 07:59:35
I did not lie if developers forget to update the information string in their bios is that MY FAULT?? Your attitude toward me is totally uncalled for. I have G.Sklil FlareX memory it is guaranteed Ryzen compatible . Its is Samsung B-die memory, the memory that works best with Ryzen. I am NOT bellyaching. I am simply reporting the facts of my situation.   I still have hopes. The bios is beta it can and will undoubtedly be improved.So you are totally misreading my attitude and I wish you would take a deep breath and relax. I have made no accusations against anyone and certainly not against the bios development team.

Lets get something straight. Even if the developer DID forget to change it, it doesn't change that IT DOES HAVE AGESA 1.0.0.6. 
GUESS WHAT? THAT MEANS YOU LIED BECAUSE IT DOES HAVE IT. See? That's my whole point. And then you mislead users. You provide absolutely nothing but controversy in every thread you post. You do not add anything to this forum but problems. 
I've said it before, I'll say it again. QUIT IT. See : >>Please read and comply with the Forum Rules.<< (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=64858.0)
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: xfxp1384 on 27-May-17, 09:10:36
I've got a little update today, I just tried the latest BETA BIOS rev 1.62 on my MSI B350 Tomahawk, and I'm finally hitting 3200Mhz for the very first time,

Previously, I've been using 2933 Mhz instead due to not being able to POST at all but beeps, however this latest up-to-date BETA BIOS finally supports my memory @ 3200Mhz

I'm using Corsair Vengeance CMK16GX4M2B3200C16, (Hynix- M die) and here's some picture proofs 

(https://i.imgur.com/M4qjxOS.png) (https://i.imgur.com/dufl4W5.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/wFFS8pE.png)

So yeah, feel free to try that if any of you has the same MOBO and the Ram :)
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: ross on 27-May-17, 10:29:50
I've been running my 3200Mhz memory and 3.9Ghz Ryzen 1600 for the last month and a half now on my Tomahawk B350. I've done so across multiple versions of BIOS as they were released.

I'm using 1.62 beta at the moment and am getting the same values. I've been gaming heavily and everything's been completely stable with stock cooler.

Screenshots below show current settings with 1.62 taken today in response to this post was flashed a few days ago though. The last picture if you note the timestamp and BIOS version was 1.5. The settings are slightly different in that to achieve 3200 and 3.9Ghz I needed to disable AXMP and set timing manually. 

The first screenshot is MSI Control Panel and includes the model number of my RAM.

http://imgur.com/a/BO96i

Hope this helps
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: RemusM on 27-May-17, 10:54:59
The settings are slightly different in that to achieve 3200 and 3.9Ghz I needed to disable AXMP and set timing manually.

More relaxed timings (CAS = 18) and a voltage boost (1.35V) is always a key to success.
Also you have a better chance for a long term stability compared to all those with CAS = 16.
:biggthumbsup:

p.s.
Higher speed, stability and tight timings is not possible in most of the cases.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: mikejb36 on 29-May-17, 00:26:22
it is like intel is stoping AMD from doing good with us .... ( it is ok for intel to run at 3200mhz DDR 4 but AMD not at all ) .......

waiting for new MoBo bios update for PC mate b350 
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 29-May-17, 00:45:12
it is like intel is stoping AMD from doing good with us .... ( it is ok for intel to run at 3200mhz DDR 4 but AMD not at all ) .......

waiting for new MoBo bios update for PC mate b350

There was a BIOS update last week.....it's in the BETA BIOS thread for AM4. It has the 1.0.0.6 AGESA code update as well so it should allow higher clock speeds.....
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: mr.raider2 on 29-May-17, 03:35:08
There was a BIOS update last week.....it's in the BETA BIOS thread for AM4. It has the 1.0.0.6 AGESA code update as well so it should allow higher clock speeds.....
Anyone tried it yet? I'm not going to be first !
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: nikozbk on 29-May-17, 04:17:42
I was running 3200 stable for 2-3 weeks, no cold boot issues, suddenly can only POST at 2933, even with the latest tomahawk beta bios. :/ My kit: CMK16GX4M2B3200C16W

B350 Tomahawk
R5 1600 3.7 @ 1.3V
RAM at 1.36V
SoC voltage at auto, shows as 1.60~ in bios


I know, first world problems. I guess 2933@C14 isn't that bad.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 29-May-17, 07:34:55
I was running 3200 stable for 2-3 weeks, no cold boot issues, suddenly can only POST at 2933, even with the latest tomahawk beta bios. :/ My kit: CMK16GX4M2B3200C16W

B350 Tomahawk
R5 1600 3.7 @ 1.3V
RAM at 1.36V
SoC voltage at auto, shows as 1.60~ in bios


I know, first world problems. I guess 2933@C14 isn't that bad.

What happens if you up the DRAM voltage to 1.4V, and set the NB voltage to 1.0 or 1.1V in the BIOS?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: rpmrneves on 29-May-17, 10:55:54
@darkhawk

Can you please help me?

I have the following specs:

My problem is: I can get my RAMs to work @ 3200MHz. Sometimes the pc doesn't boot and resets the settings but mostly I can run it after one try with Memory Try It. Everything works perfectly in windows, I ran prime95, aida64 and both of them went well during aproximately 40min each. I even ran a MemTest +86 and it gave 0 errors.
I have the CPU @ 3.7GHz - 1.3375V and the NB voltage @ 1.0625V. I can restart the pc in windows and settings will still prevail (this didn't happend with some previous settings where it was more unstable so it's a good thing I guess). But for some reason when I shut the pc down and only come back after some hours it can't boot with the settings again. It resets itself and I have to change some voltage or the Memory Try to make it boot again and then another time to get it back to the state it was.
Basically: Turn PC On after shutdown --> Boot Loop -> Resets Memory Settings -> Change Memory Try it to 16-18-18-16 @ 1.36V -> Save -> Boots -> Change Memory Try it to 14-14-14-34 @ 1.36V -> Boots -> OK. Why can't it boot after shut down? Sometimes this process can be with two retries to make it boot again.

Thanks in advance
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 29-May-17, 13:49:32
My problem is: I can get my RAMs to work @ 3200MHz. Sometimes the pc doesn't boot and resets the settings but mostly I can run it after one try with Memory Try It. Everything works perfectly in windows, I ran prime95, aida64 and both of them went well during aproximately 40min each. I even ran a MemTest +86 and it gave 0 errors.
I have the CPU @ 3.7GHz - 1.3375V and the NB voltage @ 1.0625V. I can restart the pc in windows and settings will still prevail (this didn't happend with some previous settings where it was more unstable so it's a good thing I guess). But for some reason when I shut the pc down and only come back after some hours it can't boot with the settings again. It resets itself and I have to change some voltage or the Memory Try to make it boot again and then another time to get it back to the state it was.
Basically: Turn PC On after shutdown --> Boot Loop -> Resets Memory Settings -> Change Memory Try it to 16-18-18-16 @ 1.36V -> Save -> Boots -> Change Memory Try it to 14-14-14-34 @ 1.36V -> Boots -> OK. Why can't it boot after shut down? Sometimes this process can be with two retries to make it boot again.

Thanks in advance
Sounds like you are right at the edge of working and not working (with the current BIOS).

The only things I can suggest at this time is increasing your NB voltage to 1.1V (no higher), and change your DRAM voltage to 1.40V or 1.45V (I wouldn't go higher). Another option is to relax the timings a little bit more in hopes it works better. Maybe try 18-18-18-38 or something like that. 

The best bet might be to just run at 2933 MHz for now and wait for the next BIOS update (I'm crossing my fingers it'll come this week, but I have no idea) and then retry at 3200 MHz.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: mikejb36 on 29-May-17, 14:16:18
There was a BIOS update last week.....it's in the BETA BIOS thread for AM4. It has the 1.0.0.6 AGESA code update as well so it should allow higher clock speeds.....

testing it out now Thank you so much hope it doesnt brick my mobo
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: mmahfujur on 29-May-17, 14:18:29
Hi, I am new to overclocking. I just bought R7 1700+ MSI x370 pro carbon+G.skill Flare X (for AMD) F4-2400C16D-16GFX
DDR4-2400 (PC4-19200)
16GB (8GBx2)
CL16-16-16-39
1.2 Volt
. Is it possibel to overclock these ram or this is their limit?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: rpmrneves on 29-May-17, 14:36:32
Sounds like you are right at the edge of working and not working (with the current BIOS).

The only things I can suggest at this time is increasing your NB voltage to 1.1V (no higher), and change your DRAM voltage to 1.40V or 1.45V (I wouldn't go higher). Another option is to relax the timings a little bit more in hopes it works better. Maybe try 18-18-18-38 or something like that.

The best bet might be to just run at 2933 MHz for now and wait for the next BIOS update (I'm crossing my fingers it'll come this week, but I have no idea) and then retry at 3200 MHz.
I will try it tonight and let you know how it goes! Thank you for your help.
Let's hope the new BIOS comes this week :D although I talked with MSI support and they haven't even tested my memories yet... So not really that hopeful  on that.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: rpmrneves on 29-May-17, 14:38:25
There was a BIOS update last week.....it's in the BETA BIOS thread for AM4. It has the 1.0.0.6 AGESA code update as well so it should allow higher clock speeds.....

testing it out now Thank you so much hope it doesnt brick my mobo
For B350 Gaming Pro Carbon too? Where?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: mikejb36 on 29-May-17, 14:52:36
it is like intel is stoping AMD from doing good with us .... ( it is ok for intel to run at 3200mhz DDR 4 but AMD not at all ) ....... 

waiting for new MoBo bios update for PC mate b350
it worked  beta bios  E7A34AMSVA51 i have pic now on 3200mhz ryzen 5 1600 3.7ghz
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: meRlinX_AT on 29-May-17, 18:32:53
For B350 Gaming Pro Carbon too? Where?


here... (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=283344.0)
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: rpmrneves on 29-May-17, 18:50:05
here... (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=283344.0)
That is not a BETA. That was the BETA of v1.3 which was released already. The BETA for the new one should be 1.41.
At least from the namings I've seen it is as I wrote.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 29-May-17, 19:06:25
That is not a BETA. That was the BETA of v1.3 which was released already. The BETA for the new one should be 1.41.
At least from the namings I've seen it is as I wrote.

You are correct.
The new BETA hasn't been released yet. I checked my source this morning and nothing new was posted for any board.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: nikozbk on 29-May-17, 21:00:24
What happens if you up the DRAM voltage to 1.4V, and set the NB voltage to 1.0 or 1.1V in the BIOS?
No luck. Also that SoC voltage was a typo, I meant 1.160~ :-P)
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: zidsab on 29-May-17, 23:34:43
hi there
i ordered msi b350 gaming plus motherboard a week ago 
but i took ram support for granted and ordered 2*8 2400 mhz ballistix sport ddr4 memory for it " BLS2C8G4D240FSB", ram did arrive today board is on the way
i didn't find the particular memory model in the msi MEMORY support list and im afraid that the whole thing wont post
what do you guys think ?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: Nichrome on 30-May-17, 01:26:11
hi there
i ordered msi b350 gaming plus motherboard a week ago
but i took ram support for granted and ordered 2*8 2400 mhz ballistix sport ddr4 memory for it " BLS2C8G4D240FSB", ram did arrive today board is on the way
i didn't find the particular memory model in the msi MEMORY support list and im afraid that the whole thing wont post
what do you guys think ?
Hi

Generally any DDR4 kit should POST. No matter if it's on the QVL or not.
And as it's only 2400MHz kit, you are 90% sure it'll go at 2400MHz without issues.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: mikejb36 on 30-May-17, 05:57:18
beta bios keeps resetting hope they fix that on release and i have to restart three time befor it wll work lmao (beta wll be beta)
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: xfxp1384 on 30-May-17, 06:16:38
I was running 3200 stable for 2-3 weeks, no cold boot issues, suddenly can only POST at 2933, even with the latest tomahawk beta bios. :/ My kit: CMK16GX4M2B3200C16W

B350 Tomahawk
R5 1600 3.7 @ 1.3V
RAM at 1.36V
SoC voltage at auto, shows as 1.60~ in bios


I know, first world problems. I guess 2933@C14 isn't that bad.

I am not sure if my issue is the same as yours, I was able to run @ 3200Mhz right after flashing the latest BETA [v1.62] then next day, all of sudden it stopped posting and gave me 5 beeps.. I tried changing ram settings manually and also both A-XMP Profile 1 and 2 still no luck, so I flashed 1.5 back and down clocked to 2933Mhz instead.. anyways, not a big issue , I'll just wait a little longer.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 30-May-17, 12:15:01
beta bios keeps resetting hope they fix that on release and i have to restart three time befor it wll work lmao (beta wll be beta)

What's your issue? I mean, your post provides no information to even begin trying to help.

Others have gotten their issues worked out with the beta, but posts like this just don't help things at all.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: lilsaf44 on 30-May-17, 13:19:24
I have the Corsair vengeance lpx 2x4gb using the beta bios. If I choose xmp2 3000mhz it's changes to 2400mhz and same for xmp1.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 30-May-17, 14:17:30
I have the Corsair vengeance lpx 2x4gb using the beta bios. If I choose xmp2 3000mhz it's changes to 2400mhz and same for xmp1.

What memory? That description doesn't tell me what it is, only that you have corsair vengeance LPX ram, 2 x4gb sticks. Doesn't tell me the model #, what speed it is rated for from Corsair, no part number.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: lilsaf44 on 30-May-17, 14:20:06
http://www.corsair.com/en-gb/vengeance-lpx-8gb-2x4gb-ddr4-dram-3000mhz-c15-memory-kit-black-cmk8gx4m2b3000c15
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 30-May-17, 14:25:32
And what happens? You select XMP1, reboot, and it shows 2400 MHz?
Or does it try to boot a few times using those settings, fails, and defaults back to 2133? 
What exactly happens? We can't really try and help with small little bits of information. Explain in detail what is happening.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: lilsaf44 on 30-May-17, 15:43:52
They both boot with its incorrect, I still have that problem explained on the other post. Should I do manual timings I'm still new to this I'm not sure about the settings to out in.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: lilsaf44 on 30-May-17, 15:59:56
Ok I've flashes the bios again, xmp1 works, xmp2 is at 2933mhz.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: nikozbk on 30-May-17, 22:07:17
So I flashed back to the latest stable bios for tomahawk (1.50), set DRAM voltage to 1.4 and NB (SoC) voltage to 1.1, now I'm posting at 3200 more often than not. It's not perfect but it's an improvement over the 1.62 beta.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 30-May-17, 22:28:17
So I flashed back to the latest stable bios for tomahawk (1.50), set DRAM voltage to 1.4 and NB (SoC) voltage to 1.1, now I'm posting at 3200 more often than not. It's not perfect but it's an improvement over the 1.62 beta.

The beta works fine....

Most likely flashing it again (a 2nd time) would have resolved the issue. As it has for many others. See above.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: nikozbk on 30-May-17, 23:23:58
The beta works fine....

Most likely flashing it again (a 2nd time) would have resolved the issue. As it has for many others. See above.
Well I just tested this. Restored optimized default settings and flashed 1.62 back to back. Still couldn't POST at 3200. Flashed back to 1.50, can now POST at 3200. I know the beta bios works well for most, just not in my particular case. :think:
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: mikejb36 on 31-May-17, 01:31:16
ju8st asking would 
[font="Amazon Ember", Arial, sans-serif]MyDigitalSSD BPX 80mm (2280) M.2 PCI Express 3.0 x4 (PCIe Gen3 x4) NVMe MLC SSD (240GB) [/font]
fit on my B350 PC mate
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 31-May-17, 01:52:12
ju8st asking would
MyDigitalSSD BPX 80mm (2280) M.2 PCI Express 3.0 x4 (PCIe Gen3 x4) NVMe MLC SSD (240GB)
fit on my B350 PC mate

Would it fit? Yes.
However....other users have had issues with the MyDigitalSSD's on their boards. While I'm sure the SSD is OK, just be aware that you could (and I would assume you will) run into issues with it. 
I personally would not recommend getting it, and would recommend something else.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: mikejb36 on 31-May-17, 10:10:55
Quote from: darkhawk (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=283351.msg1625037#msg1625037)
Would it fit? Yes.
However....other users have had issues with the MyDigitalSSD's on their boards. While I'm sure the SSD is OK, just be aware that you could (and I would assume you will) run into issues with it.
I personally would not recommend getting it, and would recommend something else.
can ask what would you use for os boot i have now ssd 240gb and sshd 2tb times two
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 31-May-17, 11:25:00
can ask what would you use for os boot i have now ssd 240gb and sshd 2tb times two

I mean, I would use the SSD to boot windows, and the other drives for storage.

That way your general performance of Windows is as high as possible. Games and such will take up a ton of space, and while 240 GB is decent, it's not really enough to hold more than 3 or 4 recent games anymore.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: lilsaf44 on 31-May-17, 22:30:29
I've done a fresh install of Windows 10 home, now I get bsod clockworks_watchdog_timeout.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: mr.raider2 on 01-June-17, 18:31:13
Would it fit? Yes.
However....other users have had issues with the MyDigitalSSD's on their boards. While I'm sure the SSD is OK, just be aware that you could (and I would assume you will) run into issues with it.
I personally would not recommend getting it, and would recommend something else.
Mine has been running fairly well for 2 weeks, in Linux however. Ant boot/reboot in windows and the shennanigans start again.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: drkhoe on 01-June-17, 21:24:48
I currently have 4 x Patriot Extreme 2400mhz on the latest BIOS with the X370 Carbon Gaming Pro

The chips will not post with anything higher than 2133mhz... no matter the timing or voltage, it just keeps resetting.

Anyone use the same chips?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: alex7rock on 02-June-17, 09:44:52
Hello i wont to ask 
do the msi x370 motherboard have problem with ruining memory at dim 1 and 3 ?
i have the x370 krait gaming and my pc wont post when ram on slots 1 and 3.
when using 2 and 4 everything works fine.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 02-June-17, 11:37:58
I currently have 4 x Patriot Extreme 2400mhz on the latest BIOS with the X370 Carbon Gaming Pro

The chips will not post with anything higher than 2133mhz... no matter the timing or voltage, it just keeps resetting.

Anyone use the same chips?

Have you tried upping the NB/SoC voltage? To 1.1V? 
Have you tried upping the DRAM voltage? To 1.45V?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: drkhoe on 02-June-17, 19:23:38
Just tried those settings and no luck so far...
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: lilsaf44 on 03-June-17, 15:53:26
It says in the manual 2 sticks of ram or even one only work in 2 and 4 configuration.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: mrtissues on 04-June-17, 04:28:17
It is listed as a qualified vendor but I'd like to hear if anyone here already has experience running G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series (2x8gb) (F4-3200C16D-16GVGB)  with the MSI X370 KRAIT GAMING? Did you get the listed 3200 speed?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 04-June-17, 04:57:42
It is listed as a qualified vendor but I'd like to hear if anyone here already has experience running G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series (2x8gb) (F4-3200C16D-16GVGB)  with the MSI X370 KRAIT GAMING? Did you get the listed 3200 speed?

Most likely they did not. Given that that motherboard doesn't have the latest AGESA 1.0.0.6 BIOS update yet, it probably will max out at around 2933 MHz, or maybe only 2667MHz. 
Once the next BIOS drops, it'll probably work at 2933 or 3000.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: mrtissues on 04-June-17, 22:20:56
So since this memory is listed as qualified I should expect for its support to be good with the BIOS? Is there some other memory that I should get instead?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 05-June-17, 00:44:52
So since this memory is listed as qualified I should expect for its support to be good with the BIOS? Is there some other memory that I should get instead?

I would expect it will work well.

I would not expect to get 3200 MHz. 

If you do (prior to the AGESA 1.0.0.6 update....), be happy and game on.
If not, wait for the next BIOS update and hope you can get higher speeds (like most other users are) with it then. You might get the rated 3200 MHz then.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: doom2pro on 05-June-17, 02:58:59
I have latest BETA BIOS 1.73 for MSI X370 XPower Gaming Titanium, and whilst I still cannot get to 3200 I was able to get my G.Skill Trident Z 3200 CL16 (Hynix A-Die) kit to 3066 stable at default timings of 16-18-18-18-38, Command Rate of 2T, DRAM Voltage @ 1.45V and SoC Voltage @ 1.1V.

Not looking good so far for 3200, either my kit isn't up for it, the BIOS needs more work, or my 1800X lost hard in silicon lottery for IMC. Either way, can't complain about not getting < 200Mhz more, she runs pretty fast already.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: reni.kiev on 05-June-17, 12:04:21
My memory for the Beta BIOS 1.62 TOMAHAWK wound up 3200 megahertz. Before that, the bios did not rise more than 2666 megahertz. I'm happy.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: zevampire on 07-June-17, 10:34:07
So,
I have a B350 Gaming pro Carbon and 2x8 gskill ripjaws V 3200mhz (f4-3200c16d-16gvkb) (16-18-18-38-2n)
With the latest bios I've managed to boot at 3200mhz with (xmp profile2) as well by typing the frequency and clocks manualy.
When it boots it runs 20passes of linx and a entire day of gaming without any problems.
The problem happens while booting, restarting, etc....
Every time the computer tries to boot, flicks, turns off and tries to boot again (5 atempts, atempting to fix the memory at 3200mhz).
After this the computer does two things, rarely, it manages to bot at 3200mhz at the 3rd or 4th atempt or, after the 5th atempt, it just resets the memory to 2133mhz and boots.
Tried to add memory voltage (1.38, 1.4, 1.45, 1.5), the problem pressists, it's not memory voltage related.
Tried losser timings, the problem pressists.
~
I'm at 2933mhz (xmp profile1) without any problems.

Any Idea what I can do next to make this stable while booting at 3200mhz?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 07-June-17, 12:41:06
So,
I have a B350 Gaming pro Carbon and 2x8 gskill ripjaws V 3200mhz (f4-3200c16d-16gvkb) (16-18-18-38-2n)
With the latest bios I've managed to boot at 3200mhz with (xmp profile2) as well by typing the frequency and clocks manualy.
When it boots it runs 20passes of linx and a entire day of gaming without any problems.
The problem happens while booting, restarting, etc....
Every time the computer tries to boot, flicks, turns off and tries to boot again (5 atempts, atempting to fix the memory at 3200mhz).
After this the computer does two things, rarely, it manages to bot at 3200mhz at the 3rd or 4th atempt or, after the 5th atempt, it just resets the memory to 2133mhz and boots.
Tried to add memory voltage (1.38, 1.4, 1.45, 1.5), the problem pressists, it's not memory voltage related.
Tried losser timings, the problem pressists.
~
I'm at 2933mhz (xmp profile1) without any problems.

Any Idea what I can do next to make this stable while booting at 3200mhz?

Have you tried increasing NB/SoC voltage to 1.1V? You could try up to 1.2V, but I wouldn't go higher than that for 24/7 usage.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: imwechs on 07-June-17, 15:28:45
Quote from: darkhawk (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=283351.msg1626831#msg1626831)stuff
Hi. I just updated on the Titanium to new beta bios 1.74. Is there any information that you may obtain on the changes from bios 1.73? Just curiosus since I am not sure I am seeing much difference in settings. Thank you.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: zevampire on 07-June-17, 15:57:18
Have you tried increasing NB/SoC voltage to 1.1V? You could try up to 1.2V, but I wouldn't go higher than that for 24/7 usage.


Ill try that as soon as I get home from work, thanks for the advice. :D
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 07-June-17, 17:05:44
Hi. I just updated on the Titanium to new beta bios 1.74. Is there any information that you may obtain on the changes from bios 1.73? Just curiosus since I am not sure I am seeing much difference in settings. Thank you.

See : https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=283344.0 (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=283344.0) 2nd note.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: yuvathejaer on 07-June-17, 18:37:59
I am using ryzen 1600 with two dual channel corsair 2400 dims. Is there any possibility to overclock. I tried to overclock it to 2666 and booted successfully with a looser timings but the next I booted it didnt get past the bios.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: Nichrome on 07-June-17, 19:13:11
I am using ryzen 1600 with two dual channel corsair 2400 dims. Is there any possibility to overclock. I tried to overclock it to 2666 and booted successfully with a looser timings but the next I booted it didnt get past the bios.
I suggest you open new thread in Overclocking area.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: imwechs on 07-June-17, 23:58:41
See : https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=283344.0 (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=283344.0) 2nd note.


Thank you. Just letting you know I replaced my 4 dimm single rank Flare-X  dimms today with a kit of two 16GB dual rank dimms, also Samsung B-die with 14-14-14-34 timings for DDR4 3200. AS soon as I loaded the XMP profile into bios they  booted up at 3200mhz with Command Rate 1.  MY leeson learned is never occupy both dimm slots in a channel if you want maximum throughput. Dual rank is not good but 2 dual ranks dimms at same memory speed and timings will kick arse on 4 single rank dimms . I hope all of you are paying attention to this. lesson. I learned it the hard way.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: SSuperBronky on 08-June-17, 05:24:16

Ill try that as soon as I get home from work, thanks for the advice. :D
Try don`t restart PC before the the CPU and memory don't gets a colder. When I have that problem on B350 Gaming PRO - my platform is very warm after tests and hard games. After 10-15 minuts of idle pc restart only twice, and don`t clear memory settings.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: r_chaddock on 08-June-17, 17:15:43
MSI B350 Gaming Pro with latest firmware. (2.60)
Check
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/w951983sdbhh6o1/mobo_cpuz.png?raw=1)

Ryzen R5 1600 @ stock.
Check
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/e8twr3nxkgczb6s/cpu_cpuz.png?raw=1)

Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200 ( CMK16GX4M2B3200C16 )
Check
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/z0sr1ak2q1xpoll/CMK16GX4M2B3200C16.png?raw=1)

3200 MHz achievable?
(As is claimed by MSI on their QVL for this motherboard: https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B350M-GAMING-PRO.html#support-cpu )
Nope!

Setting A-XMP in the bios to either 1, or 2, fails to boot.
Manual setting to 3200MHz with optimal XMP timings & voltage fails to boot.
Manual setting to 3200MHz with any of the more lax XMP timings listed by SIV fails to boot.

The best I've managed so far with manual timings is 2933MHz, with the below timings:
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/xf8dad5us0u9icd/memory_cpuz.png?raw=1)


Any suggestions?
Having a Qualfiied Vendor List is great....... but it being inaccurate is really really bad for brand integrity & customer satisfaction.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 08-June-17, 17:29:45
3200 MHz achievable?
(As is claimed by MSI on their QVL for this motherboard: https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B350M-GAMING-PRO.html#support-cpu )
Nope!

Setting A-XMP in the bios to either 1, or 2, fails to boot.
Manual setting to 3200MHz with optimal XMP timings & voltage fails to boot.
Manual setting to 3200MHz with any of the more lax XMP timings listed by SIV fails to boot.

The best I've managed so far with manual timings is 2933MHz, with the below timings:

Any suggestions?
Having a Qualfiied Vendor List is great....... but it being inaccurate is really really bad for brand integrity & customer satisfaction.

Give it some time, when the next BETA BIOS with AGESA 1.0.0.6 support is added, it will (most likely) get the speed the memory is rated at. It will open up much more timing capabilities (which is all controlled by AMD, not MSI).
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: SSuperBronky on 08-June-17, 18:09:05
MSI B350 Gaming Pro with latest firmware. (2.60)
Any suggestions?
Having a Qualfiied Vendor List is great....... but it being inaccurate is really really bad for brand integrity & customer satisfaction.

Yep, I have. Try this settings ------ NB voltage = 1.000 V (it`s lover than autovoltage, but it`s enough) ||||||||||| then RAM freguency = 3200 mhz ||||||||||| then timings = 16-16-16-16-36 ||||||||||| then RAM voltage 1.35 - 1.38 V ||||||||| EVERYTHING ELSE ON AUTO!!!
If that dont help - clear CMOS with jumper and try again.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: bradfordstephens on 08-June-17, 19:34:48
Used the latest beta (1.65?). my Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200 ( CMK32GX4M4B3200C16W) is now up to 2933 at 16-18-18-18-36, where until now I was at 2400 14-16-16 etc. Good work!
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: mikejb36 on 10-June-17, 13:44:42
Used the latest beta (1.65?). my Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200 ( CMK32GX4M4B3200C16W) is now up to 2933 at 16-18-18-18-36, where until now I was at 2400 14-16-16 etc. Good work!



you can use the beta bios to get up too 3200mhz if you like 
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: heath.bortolin on 12-June-17, 07:45:39
Because the entire MSI forum is bloated with topics related to AMD Ryzen CPUs and B350 motherboards.

1) The XMP (overclocking) profiles have been designed by Intel for the Intel CPUs.
They are not even guaranteed by Intel to work on any Intel CPU.
Trying to make them work on the AMD CPUs is gambling.

2) At these moment these are the memory configs & speeds guaranteed by AMD for their Ryzen CPUs:
1866 MHz for 4 DIMMs in dual channel and dual rank.
2133 MHz for 4 DIMMs in dual channel and single rank.
2400 MHz for 2 DIMMs in dual channel and dual rank.
2666 MHz for 2 DIMMs in dual channel and single rank.
Anything above that is gambling.

:beerchug:
Thanks so much for this^^. One question, I was looking at achieving 3200 MHz with my Corsair Vengence LPX 3200 MHz ram (4x8GB - 4 Slots). Does anyone think this will eventually be possible with future bios updates. CPU: R7 1800X (currently at 4Ghz @ 1.375V), MB: MSI X370 Gaming Pro Carbon. At the moment I can reach 2666/7 MHz with 4 slots occupied, A-XMP causes boot loop. I know there is a lot going on at the moment with Ryzen and RAM so I am willing to wait while MSI does what they have to do to get this working properly....any chance of at ETA?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: heath.bortolin on 12-June-17, 08:01:42
Thanks so much for this^^. One question, I was looking at achieving 3200 MHz with my Corsair Vengence LPX 3200 MHz ram (4x8GB - 4 Slots). Does anyone think this will eventually be possible with future bios updates. CPU: R7 1800X (currently at 4Ghz @ 1.375V), MB: MSI X370 Gaming Pro Carbon. At the moment I can reach 2666/7 MHz with 4 slots occupied, A-XMP causes boot loop. I know there is a lot going on at the moment with Ryzen and RAM so I am willing to wait while MSI does what they have to do to get this working properly....any chance of at ETA?
Because the entire MSI forum is bloated with topics related to AMD Ryzen CPUs and B350 motherboards.

1) The XMP (overclocking) profiles have been designed by Intel for the Intel CPUs.
They are not even guaranteed by Intel to work on any Intel CPU.
Trying to make them work on the AMD CPUs is gambling.

2) At these moment these are the memory configs & speeds guaranteed by AMD for their Ryzen CPUs:
1866 MHz for 4 DIMMs in dual channel and dual rank.
2133 MHz for 4 DIMMs in dual channel and single rank.
2400 MHz for 2 DIMMs in dual channel and dual rank.
2666 MHz for 2 DIMMs in dual channel and single rank.
Anything above that is gambling.

:beerchug:
note: dual channel - single rank i believe
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: contact on 12-June-17, 13:48:15
There is something that I don't understand about overclocking memory and cold boot. When I set the frequency to 3200Mhz in BIOS then reboot, everything is ok and Windows' task manager shows the good frequency. However, when I power on my PC after a long period off, I've got 5 failed memory tries and the memory goes back to 2133Mhz. Someone can explain why ? :undecided:
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 12-June-17, 13:59:02
There is something that I don't understand about overclocking memory and cold boot. When I set the frequency to 3200Mhz in BIOS then reboot, everything is ok and Windows' task manager shows the good frequency. However, when I power on my PC after a long period off, I've got 5 failed memory tries and the memory goes back to 2133Mhz. Someone can explain why ? :undecided:

Are you using A-XMP? Or manually setting the frequency to 3200? Or memory try it?
What voltages are you using? for NB/SoC and DRAM?

Generally, what is likely happening is that on cold boot it just isn't enough to reach those settings and it fails, however after the computer has been running for a time, it can reach those settings and then boots.
Essentially, you have an instability and have to figure out why that is. Maybe it's not enough voltage, maybe it's because the timing it too tight.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: RemusM on 12-June-17, 15:32:09
 I was looking at achieving 3200 MHz with my Corsair Vengence LPX 3200 MHz ram (4x8GB - 4 Slots).
Does anyone think this will eventually be possible with future bios updates. CPU: R7 1800X (currently at 4Ghz @ 1.375V), MB: MSI X370 Gaming Pro Carbon.
At the moment I can reach 2666/7 MHz with 4 slots occupied, A-XMP causes boot loop.

For 2933 MHz with 4 memory modules, try with CAS = 18,  DRAM voltage = 1.36...1.40V and NB/SoC voltage = 1.1V
Depending on your CPU quality it might work (stable) or not.
If yes, you can try at 3200 MHz.
:beerchug:
Title: Need to find replacement from finite list in the store....
Post by: DocZaf on 12-June-17, 19:36:05
Well the store I purchased my 32Gb Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3000 Mhz  memory kit from has agreed to swap them out for another memory kit.
The kit is CMK32GX4M2B3000C15 memory kit.

I cant help but notice how there is lack of support for memory around the 3000 Mhz frequency...
So I definitely don't want to be faffing around 3000 Mhz
And am looking to upgrade to maybe 3200Mhz instead.
Because there is more support for that than there is for 3000 Mhz

So I have looked in the store till my eyes went cross-eyed even more than normal.
I just cannot seem to find any memory which matches...
As in 2 sticks of 16gb....

Store address: http://aria.co.uk (in Manchester UK)

Or have things rolled along?
And is it NOW possible to use 4 sticks of (say) 8gb and STILL attain the higher frequency of 3200 Mhz?

It's kind of urgent now, as I whiled away the weekend trying to find a compatible kit in the store website,
But it's a little beyond me now.... Maybe the most I can delay is till Wednesday at which point I either take my PC to the store and they can health check it
And health check the memory to ensure its not damaged before RMA-ing it and then I buy a new kit...

I don't want to and cannot afford to buy a kit for £300
I would like to spend around the same price as I spent on the CMK32GX4M2B3000C15 kit +/- 50 pounds at the most...

So please come-on all you guys with an X370 and 32gb Ram running at 3000 Mhz +
Please share your timings and memory kit number/name & cost too if thats not too much to ask.



Thank  You


Jaan
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: contact on 13-June-17, 09:45:42
Are you using A-XMP? Or manually setting the frequency to 3200? Or memory try it?
What voltages are you using? for NB/SoC and DRAM?

Generally, what is likely happening is that on cold boot it just isn't enough to reach those settings and it fails, however after the computer has been running for a time, it can reach those settings and then boots.
Essentially, you have an instability and have to figure out why that is. Maybe it's not enough voltage, maybe it's because the timing it too tight.
I used A-XMP (profile 1 or 2), set the frequency manually with "auto"  by default on timings but no attempt with memory try it.
About the voltages I changed literally nothing, I haven't enough knowledge to set values by myself ^^ 

I hope the stable BIOS will resolve this issue, 2933Mhz is the best so far stable frequency for Corsair CMK16GX4M2B3200C16 on my PC.

Thanks for your help :) 

PS : Maybe I can try with Ryzen Master App to OC the RAM as well ?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 13-June-17, 11:38:33
I used A-XMP (profile 1 or 2), set the frequency manually with "auto"  by default on timings but no attempt with memory try it.
About the voltages I changed literally nothing, I haven't enough knowledge to set values by myself ^^

I hope the stable BIOS will resolve this issue, 2933Mhz is the best so far stable frequency for Corsair CMK16GX4M2B3200C16 on my PC.

Thanks for your help :)

PS : Maybe I can try with Ryzen Master App to OC the RAM as well ?

Set NB/SoC voltage to 1.1V
Set the DRAM voltage to 1.4V or 1.45V
(Both of those voltages are still within the safe ranges, NB shouldn't go higher than 1.2V and DRAM no higher than 1.5V for 24/7 usage)

Then try manually selecting the frequency you want. That might help allow you to achieve it.
I wouldn't be surprised if you just can't reach 3200 MHz though. 
What you need to remember is that this is still an overclock, and it is NOT guaranteed to work just because your memory is 3200. Remember, the memory speed is controlled and directly connected to the CPU, and if the CPU isn't capable of doing it, it doesn't matter how good the memory is.

The majority of users have gotten much better results with the newer BIOS's, with many now being able to hit 3200 and beyond in some cases.
But realistically, the difference between even 2933 and 3200 is very minor performance wise (the performance increase is linear until right around 3000 MHz) that I wouldn't even worry about it for games or everyday use. The only time it even begins to show up is with memory bandwidth applications. Other than that, 2933 is pretty damn good and a huge improvement over 2133 by default. :)
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: contact on 13-June-17, 13:47:31
Set NB/SoC voltage to 1.1V
Set the DRAM voltage to 1.4V or 1.45V
(Both of those voltages are still within the safe ranges, NB shouldn't go higher than 1.2V and DRAM no higher than 1.5V for 24/7 usage)

Then try manually selecting the frequency you want. That might help allow you to achieve it.
I wouldn't be surprised if you just can't reach 3200 MHz though.
What you need to remember is that this is still an overclock, and it is NOT guaranteed to work just because your memory is 3200. Remember, the memory speed is controlled and directly connected to the CPU, and if the CPU isn't capable of doing it, it doesn't matter how good the memory is.

The majority of users have gotten much better results with the newer BIOS's, with many now being able to hit 3200 and beyond in some cases.
But realistically, the difference between even 2933 and 3200 is very minor performance wise (the performance increase is linear until right around 3000 MHz) that I wouldn't even worry about it for games or everyday use. The only time it even begins to show up is with memory bandwidth applications. Other than that, 2933 is pretty damn good and a huge improvement over 2133 by default. :)
I will try your voltages tonight, thanks for your help I appreciate it.
You're right, I'm happy to reach a stable frequency at 2933Mhz :)
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: pablocol on 13-June-17, 14:31:45
Beta bios fixxed my problem!!!  V 1.62. :agrees:

I have a dual channel kit - G.Skill F4-3200-C16-8GVKB

Absolutely recommended.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: DocZaf on 14-June-17, 02:35:20
I like to check the memory support and bios availability everyday as part of my routine until the ddr4 memory issues are ironed out.

And I could not help but notice that the RYZEN SUPPORTED SPEED column no longer has all the speeds that one can expect to attain.
Instead it has been replaced with the Memory IC  types like samsung/hynix etc....

This is the QVL list for my mobo, 
I did not check other models to see if the same applies to them...


What is the reasoning behind this?
I can't help but think this is not helping customers,
on the contrary it is kind of leaving them more in the dark?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: DocZaf on 14-June-17, 22:28:23
I like to check the memory support and bios availability everyday as part of my routine until the ddr4 memory issues are ironed out.

And I could not help but notice that the RYZEN SUPPORTED SPEED column no longer has all the speeds that one can expect to attain.
Instead it has been replaced with the Memory IC  types like samsung/hynix etc....

This is the QVL list for my mobo,
I did not check other models to see if the same applies to them...


What is the reasoning behind this?
I can't help but think this is not helping customers,
on the contrary it is kind of leaving them more in the dark?


Sorry to ask again.....
I was wondering what the reasoning behind removing the SUPPORTED SPEED data-column in the QVL for my motherboard model?
And replacing it with a brand name? as that doesn't help me to choose replacement very much...

Motherboard: X370 Carbon Gaming Pro 

Thanks
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 14-June-17, 23:09:44

Sorry to ask again.....
I was wondering what the reasoning behind removing the SUPPORTED SPEED data-column in the QVL for my motherboard model?
And replacing it with a brand name? as that doesn't help me to choose replacement very much...

Motherboard: X370 Carbon Gaming Pro

Thanks

It's not the brand name, it's the name of the die manufacturer.
Some die manufacturer's have better compatibility than others, and provide better speeds.
Samsung, for instance, generally has the best compatibility and highest speeds.

Generally, Samsung > Micron > SK Hynix > anything else
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: DocZaf on 15-June-17, 17:05:10
It's not the brand name, it's the name of the die manufacturer.
Some die manufacturer's have better compatibility than others, and provide better speeds.
Samsung, for instance, generally has the best compatibility and highest speeds.

Generally, Samsung > Micron > SK Hynix > anything else


 =============
*** THANK YOU ***
=============

It has been fixed now
:-)

And the other column added as opposed to overwriting the speed column

Cheers
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: DocZaf on 16-June-17, 16:30:41
Hey Everyone, I'm currently getting random BSODS that occur usually when I try to watch videos/when I'm doing something demands a high amount of memory.

these BSODS are typically

Kmode_exception_not handled
IRQL_not_equal_to_less than

My specs are:
x370 MSI Carbon Pro gaming
G.Skill Ripjaws V (2x16) F4-2400C15D-32GVR (https://www.gskill.com/en/product/f4-2400c15d-32gvr)

Right now I'm running at 2133MHz with the default timings and default voltage (15-15-15-35-2N 1.2V). It just happens to BSOD typically right after I boot/pull up the internet. Seemingly more so when I run the sticks at 2400MHz. I've run memtest/memory diagnostic and they both have returned 0 errors. However I haven't run each stick individually (I plan to do that this weekend). I'm curious if these BSODS might indicate bad ram? Or could the BSOD be because of bad timings? I don't have XMP enabled, I'm updated on BIOS and drivers. I just can't seem to solve these BSODS. Also I know this RAM isn't on the QVL...it originally was when the board was released but now its not....so I'm a bit stuck.

I can post links to memory dumps if anyone needs more information!

Try to re-install your network card and see if that fixes it.

Also more info on your full specs would be helpful
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 16-June-17, 17:43:04
Hey Everyone, I'm currently getting random BSODS that occur usually when I try to watch videos/when I'm doing something demands a high amount of memory.

these BSODS are typically

Kmode_exception_not handled
IRQL_not_equal_to_less than

My specs are:
x370 MSI Carbon Pro gaming
G.Skill Ripjaws V (2x16) F4-2400C15D-32GVR (https://www.gskill.com/en/product/f4-2400c15d-32gvr)

Right now I'm running at 2133MHz with the default timings and default voltage (15-15-15-35-2N 1.2V). It just happens to BSOD typically right after I boot/pull up the internet. Seemingly more so when I run the sticks at 2400MHz. I've run memtest/memory diagnostic and they both have returned 0 errors. However I haven't run each stick individually (I plan to do that this weekend). I'm curious if these BSODS might indicate bad ram? Or could the BSOD be because of bad timings? I don't have XMP enabled, I'm updated on BIOS and drivers. I just can't seem to solve these BSODS. Also I know this RAM isn't on the QVL...it originally was when the board was released but now its not....so I'm a bit stuck.

I can post links to memory dumps if anyone needs more information!

Make a post in the appropriate section. This really doesn't belong here to be perfectly honest.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: mikejb36 on 18-June-17, 01:58:14
how can i talk to somone without typeing out my full PC spec's when it isnt the pc issue just want to Register a videocard tried putting in a ticket but i dont know all i have and S/N so i have to take apart my pc to get S / N just to talk to someone
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 18-June-17, 03:31:14
how can i talk to somone without typeing out my full PC spec's when it isnt the pc issue just want to Register a videocard tried putting in a ticket but i dont know all i have and S/N so i have to take apart my pc to get S / N just to talk to someone

This isn't the section for this. 

And posting something like this, right after the post RIGHT ABOVE THIS discusses another user not posting in the proper place. I mean, really, c'mon guys. It's really not that hard to just make a post in the proper section for something. 

Lastly, it won't matter. We here on the forums really have absolutely, positively nothing to do with the registering of cards/boards/products. In fact, we can't help at all.
Call MSI if you're having such issues. Their phone number is listed there. You can also see : >>How to contact MSI.<< (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=107326.0)
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: lossuka on 18-June-17, 10:19:31
Hi! Help me pls.
I have b350 tomahawk with G.SKILL Ripjaws V Gunmetal Gray DDR4 3200MHz 16GB Kit 2x8GB XMP (F4-3200C16D-16GVGB).
I was able to run it 2900 with timings 18 18 18 42. At 3200 it does not want to start, even with the 1.64 bios. (Officially the memory is not supported by the motherboard)
What do you think about PATRIOT 16 GB (2x8GB) DDR4 3200 MHz Viper Elite Gray? (The memory is officially supported by the motherboard)
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: mikejb36 on 18-June-17, 10:50:02
This isn't the section for this.

And posting something like this, right after the post RIGHT ABOVE THIS discusses another user not posting in the proper place. I mean, really, c'mon guys. It's really not that hard to just make a post in the proper section for something.

Lastly, it won't matter. We here on the forums really have absolutely, positively nothing to do with the registering of cards/boards/products. In fact, we can't help at all.
Call MSI if you're having such issues. Their phone number is listed there. You can also see : >>How to contact MSI.<< (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=107326.0)

sry i was just asking a question i wasnt asking for you guys to do something it was a question and it is fine ban me for asking question was thinking you guys could lead me in the right place sorry ill not come back here 
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: meRlinX_AT on 18-June-17, 11:26:28
Hi! Help me pls.
I have b350 tomahawk with G.SKILL Ripjaws V Gunmetal Gray DDR4 3200MHz 16GB Kit 2x8GB XMP (F4-3200C16D-16GVGB).
I was able to run it 2900 with timings 18 18 18 42. At 3200 it does not want to start, even with the 1.64 bios. (Officially the memory is not supported by the motherboard)
What do you think about PATRIOT 16 GB (2x8GB) DDR4 3200 MHz Viper Elite Gray? (The memory is officially supported by the motherboard)

hi,

you can test if you can set 2400 14-14-14 or 2400 12-12-12 - this will give you the same Total Completion Time as with 3200 16.
... and wait for the new bios with AGESA 1006.

pls always post partnumbers - its easier for others to find it
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: lossuka on 18-June-17, 12:04:07
hi,

you can test if you can set 2400 14-14-14 or 2400 12-12-12 - this will give you the same Total Completion Time as with 3200 16.
... and wait for the new bios with AGESA 1006.

pls always post partnumbers - its easier for others to find it
I think maybe order a patriot (PVE416G320C6KGY It is officially supported)? And G Skil return.
But I can not find what chips in it. From the samsung or not. Would be glad to help 
Sorry for eng :c
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 18-June-17, 13:09:00
You can try more loose timing settings to try and get it to work at 3200. 
You can also increase NB/SoC voltage to 1.1V, up to 1.2V if you want.
Also, DRAM voltage can be set at 1.4V or 1.45V if you want.
Both of those can help stability with higher memory clock frequencies (and have been repeated hundreds of times throughout this thread now I believe.....).

Now, if you really want those higher clock frequencies and really want it guaranteed, the G.Skill Flare X modules are made with Ryzen in mind and guaranteed to hit the speeds that they are rated for. They're a bit more expensive, but they do the speeds.

Personally, if you can hit 2933 MHz, I'd stick with that. That's generally great performance and you wan't see much, if any, real world increases by going from 2933 to 3200.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: lossuka on 18-June-17, 14:15:28
You can try more loose timing settings to try and get it to work at 3200.
You can also increase NB/SoC voltage to 1.1V, up to 1.2V if you want.
Also, DRAM voltage can be set at 1.4V or 1.45V if you want.
Both of those can help stability with higher memory clock frequencies (and have been repeated hundreds of times throughout this thread now I believe.....).

Now, if you really want those higher clock frequencies and really want it guaranteed, the G.Skill Flare X modules are made with Ryzen in mind and guaranteed to hit the speeds that they are rated for. They're a bit more expensive, but they do the speeds.

Personally, if you can hit 2933 MHz, I'd stick with that. That's generally great performance and you wan't see much, if any, real world increases by going from 2933 to 3200.
Thanks for answer!
I think maybe order a patriot (PVE416G320C6KGY It is officially supported)? I want 3200 x)
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 18-June-17, 14:41:12
Thanks for answer!
I think maybe order a patriot (PVE416G320C6KGY It is officially supported)? I want 3200 x)

There isn't any guarantee that the patriot memory will work any better. 
You're welcome to try, but you could very well end up with the same speeds.
If you really want 3200, I would suggest the G.Skill FlareX simply because it will hit those speeds.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: lossuka on 18-June-17, 14:45:24
There isn't any guarantee that the patriot memory will work any better.
You're welcome to try, but you could very well end up with the same speeds.
If you really want 3200, I would suggest the G.Skill FlareX simply because it will hit those speeds.
Why? Patriot is officially supported in the QVL. And my G SKILL is not.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 18-June-17, 14:55:19
Why? Patriot is officially supported in the QVL. And my G SKILL is not.

While the memory compatibility lists are a good place to start....
The G.Skill Flare X sticks are known to work in Ryzen systems with many users reporting back that they work as expected. This leads me to believe that it will get the speeds that they advertise.
Without other user experience on that Patriot sticks, I would worry that they wouldn't get the speeds that they advertise and you'd be in the same situation you are already in right now, only getting 2933 MHz and still not able to hit 3200.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: lossuka on 18-June-17, 15:13:47
While the memory compatibility lists are a good place to start....
The G.Skill Flare X sticks are known to work in Ryzen systems with many users reporting back that they work as expected. This leads me to believe that it will get the speeds that they advertise.
Without other user experience on that Patriot sticks, I would worry that they wouldn't get the speeds that they advertise and you'd be in the same situation you are already in right now, only getting 2933 MHz and still not able to hit 3200.
The fact is that I can not buy a g skill Flare x (I did not find one in the QVL, I looked all the g.skills memory's). In my city, there is almost no where they are. The only memory from QVL that I could find was a patriot viper.
And my memory now is - F4-3200C16D-16GVGB. She is not in QVL. I tried to run it with timings 22 22 22 56 at 1.64 bios for 3200 - it did not start. I also tried to lower the timings to 16 18 18 36 for the speed 2900 - it did not start. I left 18 18 18 42 for 2900. So I thought about the patriot viper.
Sorry for my eng.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: bradfordstephens on 19-June-17, 00:02:07
Update: Got the GSkill 3200CL14 32gtz (16 gb dimms). Made it to 2800 @ 16-16-16-38 at 1.36V, but I didn't do any tweaking.

I did not realize that 2400 @ 12's = 3200 @ 16's. I'll have to read more about this. Thanks for all the help!
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 19-June-17, 00:35:26
Update: Got the GSkill 3200CL14 32gtz (16 gb dimms). Made it to 2800 @ 16-16-16-38 at 1.36V, but I didn't do any tweaking.

I did not realize that 2400 @ 12's = 3200 @ 16's. I'll have to read more about this. Thanks for all the help!


It does in some timing aspects, but it doesn't equal the same when it comes to memory bandwidth.....That can only be obtained via higher frequencies.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: DocZaf on 19-June-17, 22:28:08
MY UPDATE (personal update - not official MSI stuff)
=========
I'm having great success with the beta bios 1.63 for MSI X370 Carbon Gaming Pro

My memory kit
Corsair Vengeance LPX 32Gb (2 x 16gb UDIMM) - Model CMK32GX3000C15

With the 1.63 bios update I simply set bios to 2800 in the drop down,
No XMP profile was selected (XMP = Disabled)

After checking with CPU ID - Ryzen Master 
It looks good and booted straight in.

Memory is running at 2934 Mhz

Now I am happy because the memory issue was a big splinter in my side.

;D :worship: :pompom:
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: DocZaf on 20-June-17, 19:50:51
Well, My happiness was short lived.....

The Ryzen Master Utility is showing incorrect memory frequency.

The Bios, HW-Info and Task Manager all show the memory frequency as 2800 Mhz
Ryzen Master shows it as 2934 Mhz

Therefore the actual frequency is likely to be 2800 Mhz
 NOT 2934 Mhz

;-((
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: blackhawk2000 on 22-June-17, 10:03:45
Tested: 
MEMORY: G.Skill Trident Z F4-3200C16D-16GTZSK (8192MB X2 KIT (stick part number: F4-3200C16-8GTZSK)
MAINBOARD: MSI GAMING PRO CARBON (BETA BIOS 1.63)

After some playing around with timings and voltages got this stable at 2933mhz (haven't found a viable setup for 3200mhz stable as yet will update this post if i get it stable for this range)
Voltage:
1.350v
Timings: 
Cas#  (CL) 16
RAS# TO CAS# DELAY (tRCD) 18
RAS# Precharge (tRP) 18
Cycle Time (tRAS) 36
Bank Cycle Time (tRC) 69
Command Rate (CR) 1T

Note. the timings can be selected from the "memory try it"  option however you will need to manually adjust the voltage to 1.350v after using the "try it"(there is 2 options for cas 16 2933mhz in the list) to set the timings. 
benched for several hours, no problems.

Hope this helps some others struggling getting stable speed out of this kit.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: markgeerstema on 22-June-17, 14:30:43
I'm in the process of finishing my buy list, but the whole QVL memory thing has me confused.

I want to buy the B350M Mortar and 32GB of Ram (preferrably 2x16GB, so I have room to upgrade in future), which I need for audio-editing, but judging the QVL list the fastest 2x16GB ram I can get to work is 2666mhz (like Corsair Vengeance LPX CMK32GX4M2A2666C16)

There are several 4x8GB 3000/3200 mhz on the QVL list, but according to the QVL list, most of these do not work when you install all 4 of them, just 2 except for Patriot Memory Viper 4 PV432G300C6QK which shows V's on all DIMM slot options, but this particular brand is difficult to find in my country.

Will there be an update of the QVL list anytime soon? Because I really want to make a Ryzen build with fast 32GB of memory (with the option of future upgrades) without finding out I can only use half of it or at a seriously gimped speed
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 22-June-17, 17:05:07
I'm in the process of finishing my buy list, but the whole QVL memory thing has me confused.

I want to buy the B350M Mortar and 32GB of Ram (preferrably 2x16GB, so I have room to upgrade in future), which I need for audio-editing, but judging the QVL list the fastest 2x16GB ram I can get to work is 2666mhz (like Corsair Vengeance LPX CMK32GX4M2A2666C16)

There are several 4x8GB 3000/3200 mhz on the QVL list, but according to the QVL list, most of these do not work when you install all 4 of them, just 2 except for Patriot Memory Viper 4 PV432G300C6QK which shows V's on all DIMM slot options, but this particular brand is difficult to find in my country.

Will there be an update of the QVL list anytime soon? Because I really want to make a Ryzen build with fast 32GB of memory (with the option of future upgrades) without finding out I can only use half of it or at a seriously gimped speed

It won't get updated.
It's just a list of hardware that they tested, from what they had on hand at the time.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: markgeerstema on 22-June-17, 20:27:40
It won't get updated. It's just a list of hardware that they tested, from what they had on hand at the time.

So basically it's like russian roullette or something if you want a set that isn't on the list? It's difficult to find completed builds for this particular motherboard and 32GB of ram.

I guess I'll play it safe and take the Corsair
CMK32GX4M2A2666C16 that is listed then
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 22-June-17, 21:02:52
So basically it's like russian roullette or something if you want a set that isn't on the list? It's difficult to find completed builds for this particular motherboard and 32GB of ram.

I guess I'll play it safe and take the Corsair
CMK32GX4M2A2666C16 that is listed then


It's like that for Ryzen period....unless you get the G.Skill Flare X kits.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: seernod on 23-June-17, 00:16:10
Where is the QVL list for the 370x krait Motherboard located
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: RemusM on 23-June-17, 09:29:45
Where is the QVL list for the 370x krait Motherboard located

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/X370-KRAIT-GAMING.html#support-mem-2
Ignore the (rated) "RAM Speed" and pay attention to "Supported Speed"
Up to 2666 MHz in most of the cases

:beerchug:
Edited: the link is buggy.
In that webpage click on Compatibility / Memory Support
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: kinto77 on 23-June-17, 13:59:49
Hi all,
last week i bought a B350 Tomahawk, a Ryzen 1600 and Corsair Vengeance LPX 2x8GB CMK16GX4M2B3200C16 (they are on compatibility list with Samsung memories).

This ram arrived in 5.39 version (the new one) and i found it has Hynix chips.
But when i installed all pc components, upgraded bios to officiall 1.5, installed windows 10 (uefi), then booted to bios to try A-XMP profile 2 (3200MHZ, 1.35v).
It worked

But the next day, after a cold boot, i blinked 5 times and the bios resetted itself (ryzen 3,2GHZ and ram 2133 Mhz).
When setted something more than 2400Mhz, i cannot boot the pc with a cold boot.

Is this due to ryzen's ram support?
If yes, could i try to increase a bit NB voltage? (0,05 or 0,1?) without harming the system?

For now i'm using it with a light overclock: 3,5Ghz CPU (even if it could go higher, even 3,7 with about 1,25v) and the ram is all in auto (voltage in 1.35v), except the frequencies setted to 2400MHZ

Thanks in advance
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 23-June-17, 15:15:08
Hi all,
last week i bought a B350 Tomahawk, a Ryzen 1600 and Corsair Vengeance LPX 2x8GB CMK16GX4M2B3200C16 (they are on compatibility list with Samsung memories).

This ram arrived in 5.39 version (the new one) and i found it has Hynix chips.
But when i installed all pc components, upgraded bios to officiall 1.5, installed windows 10 (uefi), then booted to bios to try A-XMP profile 2 (3200MHZ, 1.35v).
It worked

But the next day, after a cold boot, i blinked 5 times and the bios resetted itself (ryzen 3,2GHZ and ram 2133 Mhz).
When setted something more than 2400Mhz, i cannot boot the pc with a cold boot.

Is this due to ryzen's ram support?
If yes, could i try to increase a bit NB voltage? (0,05 or 0,1?) without harming the system?

For now i'm using it with a light overclock: 3,5Ghz CPU (even if it could go higher, even 3,7 with about 1,25v) and the ram is all in auto (voltage in 1.35v), except the frequencies setted to 2400MHZ

Thanks in advance

See : https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=286610.0

This has good, safe voltages for most of the normal settings required for overclocking both the CPU and the memory.

Also, see : https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=283344.0
This thread has BETA BIOS's available which should also help and improve memory compatibility for you and allow those higher speeds even better.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: kinto77 on 23-June-17, 15:41:39
Thanks for the first link. I didn't notice it

About the second, i already knew it, but before upgrading to a beta bios, at least i would like to know if the problem i had, was due to ram's compatibility and not for other things

Regards (thanks for all the work here in this forum!)
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: seernod on 23-June-17, 16:52:48
Don't see my memory on list but I,m running CMK16GX4M2B3000C15W no problems yet and running at 2666 MHz with XMP on
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: lilsaf44 on 26-June-17, 22:22:45
Updated bios, xmp2 profile and it shows 2993mhz, what's weird is I get 3 long beeps, then followed by another 3 and then boots up?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 26-June-17, 23:28:53
Updated bios, xmp2 profile and it shows 2993mhz, what's weird is I get 3 long beeps, then followed by another 3 and then boots up?

What version of the bios? What board?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: lilsaf44 on 27-June-17, 00:20:09
What version of the bios? What board?
1.64 beta
B350 tomahawk.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: leveewithachevy on 27-June-17, 03:23:45
Ok guys, I don't know if it's my board or ram, but I can't get this setup to go over anything but default speeds.  I've tried every timing known to man for these modules, and I'm still stuck at 2133mhz.

Ryzen 1800 X
MSi Carbon Pro x370
G Skill Trident Z F4-3200C16-8GTZR 16 GB (8gbx2)
Current timing 16-18-18-18-38
Bios 1.50
Voltage 1.350v
Dual Radeon HD 7990 Crossfire
Thermaltake 1250watt PSU
4.0ghz cpu clock speed
Custom Water cooling setup.


I set every timing I've seen towards this and nothing.  It won't post.  Power loops, then defaults back to 2133mhz.  I can't get them to go faster.  I should be able to go faster than this, I can't even get to the "limits" given by MSi and AMD.  

Any ideas?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 27-June-17, 04:13:22
Ok guys, I don't know if it's my board or ram, but I can't get this setup to go over anything but default speeds.  I've tried every timing known to man for these modules, and I'm still stuck at 2133mhz.

Ryzen 1800 X
MSi Carbon Pro x370
G Skill Trident Z F4-3200C16-8GTZR 16 GB (8gbx2)
Current timing 16-18-18-18-38
Bios 1.50
Voltage 1.350v
Dual Radeon HD 7990 Crossfire
Thermaltake 1250watt PSU
4.0ghz cpu clock speed
Custom Water cooling setup.


I set every timing I've seen towards this and nothing.  It won't post.  Power loops, then defaults back to 2133mhz.  I can't get them to go faster.  I should be able to go faster than this, I can't even get to the "limits" given by MSi and AMD.  

Any ideas?

Use a beta bios. See : https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=283344.0 (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=283344.0)
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: critzakis on 27-June-17, 07:09:59
Ryzen 1600 (stock) | MSI X370 Gaming Plus | G.Skill 2x8 F4-3200C16D-16GVKB (QVL listed as running at 3200). Tried both latest stable (5.2) and beta bios (5.33)

Can't do 3200 or 3033 even with relaxed timings, 1.1V NB and 1.4V DRAM. Tried memory-try-it, xmp 1 and xmp2, manually setting timings and setting the ohm thingy suggested values.

It can do 2933 with relaxed timings (18-20-20-40), 1.4V and 1.1V Soc but not on cold boot - I get power cycles and it gets reset to 2133. Now I wouldn't mind having to boot twice in order for the system to set the RAM
correctly but the typical boot time is long and when it power cycles it's waaaaay longer (like 2-3 minutes).

I'm hoping a bios revision will fix my issue but in the meantime, is there anything I can do? I bought the board specifically because it had my ram tested :(
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 27-June-17, 11:53:55
Ryzen 1600 (stock) | MSI X370 Gaming Plus | G.Skill 2x8 F4-3200C16D-16GVKB (QVL listed as running at 3200). Tried both latest stable (5.2) and beta bios (5.33)

Can't do 3200 or 3033 even with relaxed timings, 1.1V NB and 1.4V DRAM. Tried memory-try-it, xmp 1 and xmp2, manually setting timings and setting the ohm thingy suggested values.

It can do 2933 with relaxed timings (18-20-20-40), 1.4V and 1.1V Soc but not on cold boot - I get power cycles and it gets reset to 2133. Now I wouldn't mind having to boot twice in order for the system to set the RAM
correctly but the typical boot time is long and when it power cycles it's waaaaay longer (like 2-3 minutes).

I'm hoping a bios revision will fix my issue but in the meantime, is there anything I can do? I bought the board specifically because it had my ram tested :(

Most likely has nothing to do with the memory or the motherboard....and more to do with your CPU. 

Read the very first post in this thread.

Just because the memory supports 3200, doesn't mean that everything else will. AMD only guarantee's up to 2667 MHz in the best situation. Anything over that is not guaranteed, and most likely is not an issue with the RAM or motherboard, but an issue with the CPU's IMC itself.

If you spend some time reading this entire 9, almost 10 page thread, you'll see what I mean.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: mikejb36 on 27-June-17, 12:35:11
Ryzen 1600 (stock) | MSI X370 Gaming Plus | G.Skill 2x8 F4-3200C16D-16GVKB (QVL listed as running at 3200). Tried both latest stable (5.2) and beta bios (5.33)

Can't do 3200 or 3033 even with relaxed timings, 1.1V NB and 1.4V DRAM. Tried memory-try-it, xmp 1 and xmp2, manually setting timings and setting the ohm thingy suggested values.

It can do 2933 with relaxed timings (18-20-20-40), 1.4V and 1.1V Soc but not on cold boot - I get power cycles and it gets reset to 2133. Now I wouldn't mind having to boot twice in order for the system to set the RAM
correctly but the typical boot time is long and when it power cycles it's waaaaay longer (like 2-3 minutes).

I'm hoping a bios revision will fix my issue but in the meantime, is there anything I can do? I bought the board specifically because it had my ram tested :(



im on the cheap mobo AV.53 getting the 3200mhz you really dont need it and sometimes it take a few restarts for it to take it isnt like the am3 socket reboot and it is fine your on beta bios it wll work it self out just try setting spec's restart a few times but dont boot to windows from bios F10 or what ever it is to save and reboot hit delete tll bios dont change anything F10 or whatever it is to save and reboot then let it boot to win 7 win 8 win 10 then check under task manager cpu ghz and ram mhz
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: dunaalexdan on 28-June-17, 22:54:59
Please, can you explain me what the last column in the table means? Does it really mean that for some modules, I can only use, for example, 1 or 2 DIMMs , but NOT 3 or 4 (for those with just 1 and 2 ticked)..

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B350-TOMAHAWK.html#support-mem-2

Also, are all these memories supported out of the box? (WITHOUT any BIOS update?)
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: Nichrome on 29-June-17, 00:12:42
Please, can you explain me what the last column in the table means? Does it really mean that for some modules, I can only use, for example, 1 or 2 DIMMs , but NOT 3 or 4 (for those with just 1 and 2 ticked)..

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B350-TOMAHAWK.html#support-mem-2

Also, are all these memories supported out of the box? (WITHOUT any BIOS update?)
It's just configurations MSI tested. Almost all DDR4 RAM will work out of the box, but not guaranteed to work like so above certain speeds. But 2400MHz should be relatively possible without any BIOS updates.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: mr.raider2 on 30-June-17, 01:53:34
1.65 beta did the trick


Code: [Select]
sudo lshw -C memory

[sudo] password for mr_raider:  
  *-firmware               
       description: BIOS

       vendor: American Megatrends Inc.

       physical id: 0

       version: 1.65

       date: 06/21/2017

       size: 64KiB

       capacity: 15MiB

       capabilities: pci upgrade shadowing cdboot bootselect socketedrom edd int13floppy1200 int13floppy720 int13floppy2880 int5printscreen int9keyboard
int14serial int17printer acpi usb biosbootspecification uefi

  *-memory

       description: System Memory

       physical id: 28

       slot: System board or motherboard

       size: 16GiB

     *-bank:0

          description: 2667 MHz (0.4 ns) [empty]

          product: Unknown

          vendor: Unknown

          physical id: 0

          serial: Unknown

          slot: DIMM 0

          clock: 2667MHz (0.4ns)

     *-bank:1

          description: DIMM Synchronous 2667 MHz (0.4 ns)

          product: CMK16GX4M2A2666C16

          vendor: Unknown

          physical id: 1

          serial: 00000000

          slot: DIMM 1

          size: 8GiB                                                                                                                                      
          width: 64 bits                                                                                                                                  
          clock: 2667MHz (0.4ns)                                                                                                                          
     *-bank:2                                                                                                                                             
          description: 2667 MHz (0.4 ns) [empty]                                                                                                          
          product: Unknown                                                                                                                                
          vendor: Unknown                                                                                                                                 
          physical id: 2                                                                                                                                  
          serial: Unknown                                                                                                                                 
          slot: DIMM 0                                                                                                                                    
          clock: 2667MHz (0.4ns)                                                                                                                          
     *-bank:3                                                                                                                                             
          description: DIMM Synchronous 2667 MHz (0.4 ns)                                                                                                 
          product: CMK16GX4M2A2666C16                                                                                                                     
          vendor: Unknown                                                                                                                                 
          physical id: 3                                                                                                                                  
          serial: 00000000                                                                                                                                
          slot: DIMM 1                                                                                                                                    
          size: 8GiB                                                                                                                                      
          width: 64 bits                                                                                                                                  
          clock: 2667MHz (0.4ns)                     
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: lilsaf44 on 02-July-17, 06:15:07
Did what?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: mixaliskaragiannis on 04-July-17, 19:57:15
i have the msi x370 gaming pro carbon with corsair vengeance lpx 3000Mhz 16gb (4 dimm) the product is CMK8GX4M2B3000C15 my latency is 15-17-17-35 the problem is i can't run it over 2133 Mhz anyone know what's the problem?I have the latest bios
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 04-July-17, 21:43:19
i have the msi x370 gaming pro carbon with corsair vengeance lpx 3000Mhz 16gb (4 dimm) the product is CMK8GX4M2B3000C15 my latency is 15-17-17-35 the problem is i can't run it over 2133 Mhz anyone know what's the problem?I have the latest bios

Read the very first post in this thread.....
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: critzakis on 04-July-17, 22:45:06
Read the very first post in this thread.....


Sorry mate but what's the point of your responses on this thread? Not only are they not helpful, they're detrimental to people who otherwise might be able to achieve something more that the "guaranteed" by simply checking one or two options in the BIOS. Sure you can preface your answer by "It's not guaranteed because such and such" if you want to cover your bases but do provide some help or don't reply at all if you can't provide "overclocking advise" due to corporate lines.

Quote
i have the msi x370 gaming pro carbon with corsair vengeance lpx 3000Mhz 16gb (4 dimm) the product is CMK8GX4M2B3000C15 my latency is 15-17-17-35 the problem is i can't run it over 2133 Mhz anyone know what's the problem?I have the latest bios



First of all either you have two sets of CMK8GX4M2B3000C15 (that's a 2x4 kit, not a 4x4) or you have a different set ( probably the CMK16GX4M4B3000C15). It's pretty hard to get 4 dimms to work at 3000, especially since they're not Samsung IC's. But you probably can achieve something better than 2133 with a little luck.


Try the following, bearing in mind that it's essentially overclocking, so it's your responsibility if anything happens.


1. Make sure that you run the latest bios (the one with the Agesa 1.0.0.6, I assume your motherboard has gotten it)

2. Use memory-try it, start at 2933cl15 and after it fails (it probably will if we're being realistic) select the one step slower (2933 cl18 then 2800 cl16 and so on). If everything apart from 2133 fails then you need to put manual values:

3. Put NB/Soc Voltage at 1.1-1.15V

4. Put VRAM voltage at 1.4V

5. Disable Geardown mode, set 2T command rate.

6. Start by putting the RAM frequency manually at

2933 cl15-17-17-35. Try to boot. If it fails then:

2933 c16-18-18-36. Try to boot. If it fails then:

2933 cl18-20-20-38 If it fails then:

2933 cl19-25-25-45 If it fails then substitute 2933 with 2800 and start over again, then use 2666 an so on till you get stable.

If again you fail, find ProcODT value and put it to 60ohm. Do not put more unless you actually know what you're doing. Start all over again at 2933 cl15.

I'd be very surprised if you didn't manage to run your RAM at least at 2400MHz.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 05-July-17, 00:49:00
A bunch of junk

This thread is full of the exact answer you gave. In fact, I've said those same responses multiple times.

Maybe before you criticize someone you should do your research.
Particularly, there's plenty of threads with the same info, including the overclocking guide which (surprise, surprise) was written by me.
If you don't like it, fine. 
But personally, answering this question 500x a week is tiresome at best. Especially when a simple search, or reading the thread a little, could provide the same information.

So before you criticize next time, think about the simple fact that this thread is 9 pages and has the same answers repeated over and over. Usually by the same people.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: critzakis on 05-July-17, 01:14:50
This thread is full of the exact answer you gave. In fact, I've said those same responses multiple times.

Maybe before you criticize someone you should do your research.
Particularly, there's plenty of threads with the same info, including the overclocking guide which (surprise, surprise) was written by me.
If you don't like it, fine.
But personally, answering this question 500x a week is tiresome at best. Especially when a simple search, or reading the thread a little, could provide the same information.

So before you criticize next time, think about the simple fact that this thread is 9 pages and has the same answers repeated over and over. Usually by the same people.

>This thread is full of the exact answer you gave. In fact, I've said those same responses multiple times.

Sorry but I'm missing your point. You did not point to your overclocking guide, or to anyone's overclocking guide. You point them to the first post which effectively says "tough luck, it's not our fault" as an answer to everyone's question.

Of course you'll see repeatedly the same question again and again and again. And until things settle down, do not expect it to become any easier. I doubt it's your first time moderating a forum, you know it's a very common issue with the general public.

>Particularly, there's plenty of threads with the same info, including the overclocking guide which (surprise, surprise) was written by me.

Well why are they absent from the pinned "AMD Ryzen memory support"? Where is a pinned thread about the common steps one must take in order to resolve the issue? Where is your response pointing out said thread?

>But personally, answering this question 500x a week is tiresome at best. Especially when a simple search, or reading the thread a little, could provide the same information.

If you're tired of the same question, either do not reply or copy paste a link to a helpful post. What happens is people read the last page, see your reply pointing at the first page which lists nothing. What you're essentially doing is not only misdirecting people to a non response but you're actually increasing the non helpful posts on a pinned thread.

>So before you criticize next time, think about the simple fact that this thread is 9 pages and has the same answers repeated over and over. Usually by the same people.

Of course I'll criticize. People here are expecting support. I don't know if you're employed here or if you're a volunteer but this is MSI's forum. It's not anandtech or tomshardware forums. Please simply stay your answer if you can't provide a helpful response - you're actually making things worse.

edit

Also, not a really great thing, calling other people's opinions "junk".
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 05-July-17, 04:06:30
>This thread is full of the exact answer you gave. In fact, I've said those same responses multiple times.

Sorry but I'm missing your point. You did not point to your overclocking guide, or to anyone's overclocking guide. You point them to the first post which effectively says "tough luck, it's not our fault" as an answer to everyone's question.

Of course you'll see repeatedly the same question again and again and again. And until things settle down, do not expect it to become any easier. I doubt it's your first time moderating a forum, you know it's a very common issue with the general public.

>Particularly, there's plenty of threads with the same info, including the overclocking guide which (surprise, surprise) was written by me.

Well why are they absent from the pinned "AMD Ryzen memory support"? Where is a pinned thread about the common steps one must take in order to resolve the issue? Where is your response pointing out said thread?

>But personally, answering this question 500x a week is tiresome at best. Especially when a simple search, or reading the thread a little, could provide the same information.

If you're tired of the same question, either do not reply or copy paste a link to a helpful post. What happens is people read the last page, see your reply pointing at the first page which lists nothing. What you're essentially doing is not only misdirecting people to a non response but you're actually increasing the non helpful posts on a pinned thread.

>So before you criticize next time, think about the simple fact that this thread is 9 pages and has the same answers repeated over and over. Usually by the same people.

Of course I'll criticize. People here are expecting support. I don't know if you're employed here or if you're a volunteer but this is MSI's forum. It's not anandtech or tomshardware forums. Please simply stay your answer if you can't provide a helpful response - you're actually making things worse.

edit

Also, not a really great thing, calling other people's opinions "junk".

Again, read the thread, where links are thrown all over. Instead of just assuming you know everything (hint, you don't).
I'm not here to have a pissing match, but apparently you are.
Either shape up and see : >>Please read and comply with the Forum Rules.<< (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=64858.0)
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: sarahandkevin2009 on 05-July-17, 15:38:40
having read a couple of pages it would appear many have the same issue as me, however I will still share my part list and my experience of trying to achieve 3200mhz ram speeds

I would class myself as inexperienced when it comes to this, I have got plenty of help from reddit and discord communities 

the issue I am having is I have corsair vengeance lpx ram, 16gb of it, code CMK16GX4M2B3200C16 and what is happening is I am only getting ram speeds of 2133mhz when I should be getting 3200mhz as that is the ram I bought but I understand there is an issue with ryzen cpu and the bios version too, I updated my bios today but I do not want to install beta bios 

I am also wondering how much if at all ram speeds will impact much on what I do and what I play on the pc or is it more about memory amount and not speeds? 

part list 
CMK16GX4M2B3200C16                            
MSI B350 Tomahawk 
Ryzen 1600 stock 
     
I am sure there is not much anyone will be able to do to help me as I am sure if there was I would have to update to beta bios first of all 

one more thing, I tried to overclock and set the ram to 3200mhz myself, the computer restarted about 5 or 6 times and would not even get to the bios screen, that was a frightening experience for sure and not one I want to experience again, however everything is working well now and at the moment everything is back to how it was yesterday, well I still have the latest bios, but as for everything else that is the same, hopefully soon I will be able to achieve speeds of 3200mhz for the ram I have
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 05-July-17, 17:30:17
I updated my bios today but I do not want to install beta bios

I say this everytime someone gives a vague answer like this. Please, GIVE THE VERSION NUMBER. Latest doesn't tell me anything, as what you might think is the latest might be different. You might think 1.5 is the latest, but there is a 1.7 out there as well. How am I to know which one you have then? Especially when the difference between the 2 is very great.....

As far as RAM speeds, it can improve games up to 15% in some extreme cases when going from 2133 to even just 2933 MHz. 

Take a look here : https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=286610.0 (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=286610.0)
This is a generalized overclocking guide for both the CPU and the memory, and can help you get somewhat higher memory speeds.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: sarahandkevin2009 on 05-July-17, 18:30:03
well the one I downloaded and updated to today is this one here https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B350-TOMAHAWK.html 

version 7A34v15 which was released 28th of april and I am sure it is 1.5 and I see no download for a 1.7 bios or is that in beta?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 05-July-17, 18:39:45
well the one I downloaded and updated to today is this one here https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B350-TOMAHAWK.html

version 7A34v15 which was released 28th of april and I am sure it is 1.5 and I see no download for a 1.7 bios or is that in beta?

See : https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=283344.0 (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=283344.0)
Version 1.65 has been released there, as a beta.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: xfxp1384 on 06-July-17, 20:48:37
(http://i.imgur.com/nKlNJ8h.png)

I just flashed the official BIOS v1.60 on my MSI B350 Tomahawk. and I am finally getting 3200Mhz ! 

I previously had a one success with 1.62 BETA back then, [only for once but not after the 2nd boot], and reverted back to 1.50 for 2933Mhz at least. and now with A-XMP Profile 2,

my ram's hitting 3200Mhz finally.

Here's a detailed information about my ram [CORSAIR Vengeance 8x2 3200Mhz, SK Hynix M-die] which wasn't listed on the compatibility sheet.

(http://i.imgur.com/GabpmUT.png)

The one with Samsung / B-die was listed as supported though. this weird ram shares the same model number for both SK Hynix and Samsung.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 06-July-17, 21:19:51
manufacturers do do that when memory chips get scarce.....it's unfortunate. Especially more so on the 'cheaper' modules..... :/
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: kaisersolo on 06-July-17, 22:16:53
(http://i.imgur.com/nKlNJ8h.png)

I just flashed the official BIOS v1.60 on my MSI B350 Tomahawk. and I am finally getting 3200Mhz !

I previously had a one success with 1.62 BETA back then, [only for once but not after the 2nd boot], and reverted back to 1.50 for 2933Mhz at least. and now with A-XMP Profile 2,

my ram's hitting 3200Mhz finally.

Here's a detailed information about my ram [CORSAIR Vengeance 8x2 3200Mhz, SK Hynix M-die] which wasn't listed on the compatibility sheet.

(http://i.imgur.com/GabpmUT.png)

The one with Samsung / B-die was listed as supported though. this weird ram shares the same model number for both SK Hynix and Samsung.

***************


Exact same memory as me verisn 5.39

How the hell did you achieve this????
Steps to do this please - mind you i'm on a different motherboard but i'm still interested. I have gone through all the steps and combination as in the oc guide in this forum but I cant get to 3200
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: mr.raider2 on 07-July-17, 01:48:44
Where does 1.6 official stand with respect to 1.65 beta? Is it an "older" version for the b350 tomahawk?

I finally got everything working with 1.65 and I'm not inclined to futz it all up.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 07-July-17, 01:51:02
Where does 1.6 official stand with respect to 1.65 beta? Is it an "older" version for the b350 tomahawk?

I finally got everything working with 1.65 and I'm not inclined to futz it all up.

1.6 is the official release, which comes after all 1.6x BETA's.

MSI is a bit strange, in that it does betas that are 1.6x, until it is happy, and then it will release 1.6 when it is done.
If you're happy with 1.65, and it's working well, keep using it until the next beta comes out. There won't be much difference between the official 1.6 and 1.65, and if it's working well, why take the chance of messing it up without knowing things will be better?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: xfxp1384 on 07-July-17, 04:50:23
@kaisersolo @dashhawk

Forget about my previous post, here goes another update. just like what I experienced with the previous BETA v1.62, after I left home for a couple of hours, came back and turned on my PC, then it started beeping again.

So as a result, no matter what I do [Cmos clear, A-XMP Profile 1 or 2, OC or no OC, manual timing setup], it still won't boot at 3200Mhz.. I'm sad again now.. 

it's fine with 2933 Mhz though.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: charles.earl on 07-July-17, 07:04:07
I just bought Corsair CMK16GX4M2B3200C16 ver4.31 16-18-18-36 @ 1.35V after learning it is a Samsung B-Die kit and finally I am now at 3200 RAM and 3.9 GHz on my 1600X. Fully stable. Both on the new BIOS V17 and on the old one V15 for my Gaming Pro Carbon X370 board. This was without touching any voltage in the BIOS. Set the CPU to 3.9 and the RAM to 3200 under TRY IT and it passes all stress tests I can throw at it. 

My other kit of the identical part number was tagged as version 5.39. They would NOT go over 2667 at any timings what so ever. I confirm with Tyhpoon Burner app that they were in fact Hynix DRAM M-Die. That is why they will not work.

Can I get an Ahmen?!?!? 

I was tipped off in the last post from this AMD Blog on getting performance with 3200 RAM...

https://community.amd.com/community/gaming/blog/2017/03/14/tips-for-building-a-better-amd-ryzen-system

See the comment at the very bottom after the Blog.

Charles.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: richmund on 07-July-17, 08:32:37
[font="Segoe UI", sans-serif]I just updated BIOS 1.6 on my TOMAHAWK and finally I'm on 3200 MHz with my Corsair [/font]CMK16GX4M2B3200C16 by using the A-XMP 1 profile. But it sets the CPU fan speed really high – it becomes noisy. When I try to adjust the fan speed profile in BIOS it won’t post and sets the RAM speed back to 2133Mhz. Any idea how to tackle this?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: RemusM on 07-July-17, 09:09:40
https://community.amd.com/community/gaming/blog/2017/03/14/tips-for-building-a-better-amd-ryzen-system

Pay attention to (5) + Footnote and (8).

(5): For speed grades greater than DDR4-2667, please refer to a motherboard vendor’s memory QVL list. Each motherboard vendor tests specific speeds, modules, and capacities for their motherboards, and can help you find a memory pairing that works well. It is important you stick to this list for the best and most reliable results.

Footnote: Overclocking memory will void any applicable AMD product warranty, even if such overclocking is enabled via AMD hardware and/or software.

:beerchug:
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: sarahandkevin2009 on 08-July-17, 18:03:23
looking for anyone that shares the same system specs as me, after my first failed attempt at overclocking ram i would feel more comfortable if i know someone with the exact same specs has achieved an overclock of the ram

at the moment my ram is running at 2133mhz it failed when i tried to overclock it to 3200mhz 

my system specs

amd ryzen 1600 stock 
msi b350 tomahawk with 7A34v16 bios (E7A34AMS.160) 
corsair vengeance lpx 2 x 8gb (16gb) ddr4 3200mhz with a manufacturer code of CMK16GX4M2B3200C16 

would be nice to get my 3200mhz ram closer to 3200mhz, i suppose i may not achieve 3200mhz but close to that would be nice, and the steps you took to get the overclock too would be helpful 

any help appreciated
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 08-July-17, 18:50:33
looking for anyone that shares the same system specs as me, after my first failed attempt at overclocking ram i would feel more comfortable if i know someone with the exact same specs has achieved an overclock of the ram

at the moment my ram is running at 2133mhz it failed when i tried to overclock it to 3200mhz

my system specs

amd ryzen 1600 stock
msi b350 tomahawk with 7A34v16 bios (E7A34AMS.160)
corsair vengeance lpx 2 x 8gb (16gb) ddr4 3200mhz with a manufacturer code of CMK16GX4M2B3200C16

would be nice to get my 3200mhz ram closer to 3200mhz, i suppose i may not achieve 3200mhz but close to that would be nice, and the steps you took to get the overclock too would be helpful

any help appreciated

Have you tried any other memory timings? Like setting it to 2933? What about 2667?
Have you tried changing voltages? NB/SoC and DRAM?
There's an overclocking guide that can help with that in the overclocking section.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: sarahandkevin2009 on 08-July-17, 18:55:02
the only thing i did the other day was attempt to overclock it to 3200mhz through dram frequency i think it was, this is all confusing to me which is why if someone has the exact same setup as me and wants to help me overclock my ram to 3200mhz or 2933mhz it would be real helpful as i have no idea what i am doing

just to change the dram frequency i needed help the other day as i was not sure which buttons i should and should not press

should i try memory try it option in the overclock menus? would that be the safest option to use, i did read that overclock help post, it is easy enough to follow i suppose but i am not sure if it is for me as i have a different motherboard and ram
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 08-July-17, 22:40:05
the only thing i did the other day was attempt to overclock it to 3200mhz through dram frequency i think it was, this is all confusing to me which is why if someone has the exact same setup as me and wants to help me overclock my ram to 3200mhz or 2933mhz it would be real helpful as i have no idea what i am doing

just to change the dram frequency i needed help the other day as i was not sure which buttons i should and should not press

should i try memory try it option in the overclock menus? would that be the safest option to use, i did read that overclock help post, it is easy enough to follow i suppose but i am not sure if it is for me as i have a different motherboard and ram

See : https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=286610.0 (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=286610.0)
That's the overclocking guide. Read it once or twice. The motherboard used isn't the exact same, but it's close and should have a similar BIOS setup procedure and a similar look.
That should get you started on it.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: sarahandkevin2009 on 09-July-17, 09:16:07
right well i overclocked the ram successfully last night but this morning i had to change it back to 2133mhz from 2933mhz as it was clearly not stable as when i first turned the computer on it restarted about 3 times before it boot into windows 

all i did was change the dram frequency, i did not change any voltages as i do not feel safe changing voltages because while the bios screen looks the same we do not have the same motherboard? but in my menu i do see cpu nb voltage and dram voltage i just want to provided with a voltage i should be using myself, i do not want to reduce the life length of my system, if you can reccomend me voltages and a dram frequency that would not reduce the life length of my system that would be appreciated 

also last night after i had overclocked the ram the cpu fan speed was double what it usually is, why is that if i am only overclocking the dram frequency, it went from about 1000 to 2000 rpm after the change in dram frequency
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: josito_rox on 09-July-17, 10:01:53
What's happening with the b350 tomahawk artic bios?

First of all, my setup:
Ryzen 5 1600
MSI b350 Tomahawk Artic
16 GB corsair LPX 3200 CMK16GX4M2B3200C16 (which is listed as 3200 compatible)
MSI armor GTX 1080
Thermaltake Smart DPS G 700W 80 Plus Bronze Modular

Seriously, every bios update make my setup more unstable since 1.3 (7A34vH3).

I can perfectly run on 2933 with 1.3 without any problem, and 3200 100% stable when system boot, but sometimes it need 2-3 restart to boot, so i was staying on 2933 for easier boot

But with 1.4 or 1.5 i cant manage to get 2933 stable, it would sometimes boot, sometimes not, and 3200 is just impossible, never boots, well, maybe im not 100% accurate with this last statement, with 1.5 it boots with a-xmp profile to 3200, but the ram shows 2133 on bios and windows, but the xmp 1 profile is enabled with 3200 supposed speed...

Any help with 1.5 or i'll have to go back to 1.3 (again)?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 09-July-17, 13:19:42
right well i overclocked the ram successfully last night but this morning i had to change it back to 2133mhz from 2933mhz as it was clearly not stable as when i first turned the computer on it restarted about 3 times before it boot into windows

all i did was change the dram frequency, i did not change any voltages as i do not feel safe changing voltages because while the bios screen looks the same we do not have the same motherboard? but in my menu i do see cpu nb voltage and dram voltage i just want to provided with a voltage i should be using myself, i do not want to reduce the life length of my system, if you can reccomend me voltages and a dram frequency that would not reduce the life length of my system that would be appreciated

also last night after i had overclocked the ram the cpu fan speed was double what it usually is, why is that if i am only overclocking the dram frequency, it went from about 1000 to 2000 rpm after the change in dram frequency

That guide recommends voltages that are still well within safe limits.
If you don't want to believe that, search around online and compare what others say as well.
These voltages are within the limits that AMD itself recommends. We wouldn't really be that good of people if we recommended unsafe voltage levels for chips, would we?
NB/SoC voltage to 1.1V and DRAM voltage to 1.4V is perfectly fine. 

MSI has implemented a fan speed increase anytime the RAM frequency is above 2750 MHz to help combat with any extra heat that is generated. It's not documented (at this time, as far as I'm aware), but it does exist. This is why your fan speed increased after changing the DRAM frequency.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 09-July-17, 13:21:46
What's happening with the b350 tomahawk artic bios?

First of all, my setup:
Ryzen 5 1600
MSI b350 Tomahawk Artic
16 GB corsair LPX 3200 CMK16GX4M2B3200C16 (which is listed as 3200 compatible)
MSI armor GTX 1080
Thermaltake Smart DPS G 700W 80 Plus Bronze Modular

Seriously, every bios update make my setup more unstable since 1.3 (7A34vH3).

I can perfectly run on 2933 with 1.3 without any problem, and 3200 100% stable when system boot, but sometimes it need 2-3 restart to boot, so i was staying on 2933 for easier boot

But with 1.4 or 1.5 i cant manage to get 2933 stable, it would sometimes boot, sometimes not, and 3200 is just impossible, never boots, well, maybe im not 100% accurate with this last statement, with 1.5 it boots with a-xmp profile to 3200, but the ram shows 2133 on bios and windows, but the xmp 1 profile is enabled with 3200 supposed speed...

Any help with 1.5 or i'll have to go back to 1.3 (again)?

Did you follow the procedure outlined within the first post of the BETA BIOS thread when flashing? Many users ignore it and then have issues like this.....

If not, you could try a CMOS reset to see if that can help resolve the issue.

Otherwise, I might suggest reflashing the BIOS using the procedure in the first post to ensure all configuration happens properly.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: josito_rox on 09-July-17, 16:13:12
Did you follow the procedure outlined within the first post of the BETA BIOS thread when flashing? Many users ignore it and then have issues like this.....

If not, you could try a CMOS reset to see if that can help resolve the issue.

Otherwise, I might suggest reflashing the BIOS using the procedure in the first post to ensure all configuration happens properly.

Im not using a BETA bios, only using official release...

But, anyways, should i reset bios to default and then flash the 1.5 again? :/
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 09-July-17, 18:51:30
You could give it a try.

Another option might be to reset to defaults, and just reflash the BIOS you have currently installed. Maybe that will help the situation.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: et3rupp on 10-July-17, 22:32:45
Hello,

So I just updated to the newest BIOS from 6/23 for Pro Gaming Carbon X370 with Ryzen 5 1600, and I am running Corsair Vengeance 2 DIMMS total of 16Ghz 3200MHZ @ 16/18/18/18/36. (still using stock cooler as well)

I was successfully able to boot up at 3200 Mhz finally with this update, but I am unable to tighten the memory speeds at all or manually adjust the Memory voltage (tried to do 1.36V on accepts AUTO)

Second fallout to this update is that now I am unable to overclock my CPU past 3400 no matter the Core voltage or SOC voltage.  
However, I was able to overclock using AMD Ryzen Master to 3700 stable @ 1.33 Core Voltage and 1.2 SOC voltage.  The caveat is that it resets my memory speed back to 2933MHZ.

I guess my final test should be if I can overclock to 3700 through the bios and hold 2933mhz like I was able to do before.

Has anyone else had similar issues with this recent update?  or how can I make it hold 3200Mhz with my 3700 CPU Overclock?  I was so excited when I finally got 3200 now I'm back to being sad :(
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: kaisersolo on 11-July-17, 11:37:57
Hello,

So I just updated to the newest BIOS from 6/23 for Pro Gaming Carbon X370 with Ryzen 5 1600, and I am running Corsair Vengeance 2 DIMMS total of 16Ghz 3200MHZ @ 16/18/18/18/36. (still using stock cooler as well)

I was successfully able to boot up at 3200 Mhz finally with this update, but I am unable to tighten the memory speeds at all or manually adjust the Memory voltage (tried to do 1.36V on accepts AUTO)

Second fallout to this update is that now I am unable to overclock my CPU past 3400 no matter the Core voltage or SOC voltage.  
However, I was able to overclock using AMD Ryzen Master to 3700 stable @ 1.33 Core Voltage and 1.2 SOC voltage.  The caveat is that it resets my memory speed back to 2933MHZ.

I guess my final test should be if I can overclock to 3700 through the bios and hold 2933mhz like I was able to do before.

Has anyone else had similar issues with this recent update?  or how can I make it hold 3200Mhz with my 3700 CPU Overclock?  I was so excited when I finally got 3200 now I'm back to being sad :(


Which version of Corsair vengence lpx 3200 do you have     -  v5.39  Or do you have the b-die version - it tells you on the ram stick
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: kaktooz on 12-July-17, 01:58:20
Hello,

So I just updated to the newest BIOS from 6/23 for Pro Gaming Carbon X370 with Ryzen 5 1600, and I am running Corsair Vengeance 2 DIMMS total of 16Ghz 3200MHZ @ 16/18/18/18/36. (still using stock cooler as well)

I was successfully able to boot up at 3200 Mhz finally with this update, but I am unable to tighten the memory speeds at all or manually adjust the Memory voltage (tried to do 1.36V on accepts AUTO)

Second fallout to this update is that now I am unable to overclock my CPU past 3400 no matter the Core voltage or SOC voltage.  
However, I was able to overclock using AMD Ryzen Master to 3700 stable @ 1.33 Core Voltage and 1.2 SOC voltage.  The caveat is that it resets my memory speed back to 2933MHZ.

I guess my final test should be if I can overclock to 3700 through the bios and hold 2933mhz like I was able to do before.

Has anyone else had similar issues with this recent update?  or how can I make it hold 3200Mhz with my 3700 CPU Overclock?  I was so excited when I finally got 3200 now I'm back to being sad :(

Got different board, but exactly same issue :

CPU  : Ryzen 7 1700
mobo : MSI B350M Gaming Pro
ram : Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 RAM 3200MHz C16 Memory Kit - Red CMK16GX4M2B3200C16R
current bios : 2.7

Ram is working fine now (3200Mhz ) , and whole system is rock-stable, but i can't OC my CPU over 3.4ghz now - i had my cpu OC'ed to 3.8Ghz and stable 3.7ghz with good temps with stock cooler before when on BIOS 2.6 ;/
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: xfxp1384 on 12-July-17, 08:56:04
Which version of Corsair vengence lpx 3200 do you have     -  v5.39  Or do you have the b-die version - it tells you on the ram stick

I think I have the v5.39, the one with SK Hynix M-die, which never gets 3200Mhz, though I had it working twice so far, [ v 1.62 Beta and v 1.60 Official] then it didn't last long and started beeping, so I'm doing 2933 Mhz instead.

Currently using B350 Tomahawk.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: et3rupp on 12-July-17, 20:44:48
Which version of Corsair vengence lpx 3200 do you have     -  v5.39  Or do you have the b-die version - it tells you on the ram stick
I have the v5.39, what effect does this have on my situation?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: et3rupp on 12-July-17, 20:50:23
Ah ok I just did a little bit of research and saw that Ryzen prefers the Samsung B-die.  Still not sure if that would be the cause or if just an issue with the BIOS update. hmmm.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: jbeukenboom87 on 13-July-17, 18:05:32
I just bought Corsair CMK16GX4M2B3200C16 ver4.31 16-18-18-36 @ 1.35V after learning it is a Samsung B-Die kit and finally I am now at 3200 RAM and 3.9 GHz on my 1600X. Fully stable. Both on the new BIOS V17 and on the old one V15 for my Gaming Pro Carbon X370 board. This was without touching any voltage in the BIOS. Set the CPU to 3.9 and the RAM to 3200 under TRY IT and it passes all stress tests I can throw at it.

My other kit of the identical part number was tagged as version 5.39. They would NOT go over 2667 at any timings what so ever. I confirm with Tyhpoon Burner app that they were in fact Hynix DRAM M-Die. That is why they will not work.

Can I get an Ahmen?!?!?

I was tipped off in the last post from this AMD Blog on getting performance with 3200 RAM...

https://community.amd.com/community/gaming/blog/2017/03/14/tips-for-building-a-better-amd-ryzen-system


See the comment at the very bottom after the Blog.

Charles.


Charles, thank you so much for this information! I downloaded Thaiphoon and found out that the 3200Mhz kit that I have (same exact as yours) is in fact Hynix chips. No wonder I've been having such a hard time trying to get this RAM running at 3200Mhz, With the official May BIOS (B350 Tomahawk Arctic) A-XMP profile 1 worked at 3000Mhz, but now with the latest BIOS update, including the beta, they switched both profiles to 3200Mhz and I cannot run 3000MHz, anymore. Oh well, I can only hope that over time, Hynix chips will be properly supported.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: xfxp1384 on 14-July-17, 01:45:07
Charles, thank you so much for this information! I downloaded Thaiphoon and found out that the 3200Mhz kit that I have (same exact as yours) is in fact Hynix chips. No wonder I've been having such a hard time trying to get this RAM running at 3200Mhz, With the official May BIOS (B350 Tomahawk Arctic) A-XMP profile 1 worked at 3000Mhz, but now with the latest BIOS update, including the beta, they switched both profiles to 3200Mhz and I cannot run 3000MHz, anymore. Oh well, I can only hope that over time, Hynix chips will be properly supported.

I am so glad that I found out I'm not the only one who's having the exact same issue.

the best I can get is 2933Mhz, I gave up on both 3066 and 3200 Mhz. Hopefully we can get the full XMP support in the future
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: johnson_robert_roy on 15-July-17, 16:09:09
I purchased a brand new Corsair Dominator 16GB set CMD16GX4M2B3000C15 Version 5.39 to go with my MSI X370 Gaming pro (NOT the carbon) and AMD RYZEN 1800X. I have tried every Northbridge voltage available and every combination of settings as well as XMP and various DIMM voltage settings. I absolutely can not get the memory past 2133MHZ. In a last ditch effort I tried the latest BETA BIOs but sadly it's a 'no-go'.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: richmund on 16-July-17, 07:35:16
[font="Segoe UI", sans-serif]Anyone had a similar experience about CPU fan and RAM overclock? I'm on: [/font]MSI B350 Tomahawk, CMK16GX4M2B3000C15 Corsair 16GB (ver. 5.39), Ryzen 1600
With BIOS 1.6 I was able to get to 3200MHz with the stock ryzen wraith cooler, running stable but at some times it had boot problems (boot loop). I reverted back to 3066MHz and had no problems. Already at that point I realized that once on 3200MHz I cant touch the fan speed settings in BIOS otherwise I won't be able to get to 3200MHz. When I was at 3066MHz I was able to set my own fan speeds.
And then I changed the stock cooler to Noctua [font="Segoe UI", sans-serif]NOCTUA NH-U12S SE-AM4. My CPU temperatures decreased by 10-15C. But...I'm not able to run the RAM even at 3066MHz as it gets boot loop. Only stable speed is 2933MHz. How does the CPU fan affect the ram overclock? What can I try to get back to 3066MHz at least?[/font]
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: charles.earl on 17-July-17, 18:19:18
Anyone had a similar experience about CPU fan and RAM overclock? I'm on: MSI B350 Tomahawk, CMK16GX4M2B3000C15 Corsair 16GB (ver. 5.39), Ryzen 1600
With BIOS 1.6 I was able to get to 3200MHz with the stock ryzen wraith cooler, running stable but at some times it had boot problems (boot loop). I reverted back to 3066MHz and had no problems. Already at that point I realized that once on 3200MHz I cant touch the fan speed settings in BIOS otherwise I won't be able to get to 3200MHz. When I was at 3066MHz I was able to set my own fan speeds.
And then I changed the stock cooler to Noctua NOCTUA NH-U12S SE-AM4. My CPU temperatures decreased by 10-15C. But...I'm not able to run the RAM even at 3066MHz as it gets boot loop. Only stable speed is 2933MHz. How does the CPU fan affect the ram overclock? What can I try to get back to 3066MHz at least?

Those are Hynix M-Die

I would try using the TRY IT setting in the BIOS of 2667 at 15-17-17-35 @ 1.35v or whatever is closest under TRY IT.

C.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: richmund on 18-July-17, 09:48:53
I had a typo in the type of the RAM its 3200MHz RAM not 3000. I was using both try it as well as A-XMP profile and also manual settings. The problem is that the speed of the CPU fan affects the ability to overclock. Despite the fact that the fan increase does not lower the CPU temp. If I load max CPU fan speed it prevents the bios loop on startup. And as the stock cooler has more RPM I can achieve better RAM OC results with Wraith then with Noctua cooler despite the fact that with Noctua my CPU temp is 15C lower.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: lkt01070 on 20-July-17, 20:43:02
I just bought a MSI B350 Tomahawk + GSkill Ripjaws V 16GB 3200Mhz ram with it. I am disappointed that I could not run the system with 3200Mhz despite the ram is listed in the QVL of the motherboard specifically with 3200Mhz support.

The ram is
[font="Open Sans", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][font="Open Sans", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]F4-3200C16D-16GVRB, it's Hynix M-die.[/font][/font]
I tried contacting MSI support a few days ago but I got no response so far. 

Shouldn't the ram at least be able to run at QVL'd speed which is 3200Mhz? I bought that ram and this mobo specifically because they were on the QVL. 

:nooo:
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 20-July-17, 21:59:09
I'm not sure how many times this has to be repeated.....

Just because your RAM does 3200 MHz, doesn't mean the rest of the computer can. Do YOU know for 100% certainty that your CPU's IMC can handle running at 3200 MHz?

Plain and simple, you are overclocking the IMC. Much like overclocking the CPU, some might get lucky and get 3200 MHz, or even higher, while others might only hit 2667 MHz.

AMD only guarantees 2667 MHz at the most, in a very specific configuration. See the first post.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: lkt01070 on 21-July-17, 04:40:07
I'm not sure how many times this has to be repeated..... Just because your RAM does 3200 MHz, doesn't mean the rest of the computer can. Do YOU know for 100% certainty that your CPU's IMC can handle running at 3200 MHz? Plain and simple, you are overclocking the IMC. Much like overclocking the CPU, some might get lucky and get 3200 MHz, or even higher, while others might only hit 2667 MHz. AMD only guarantees 2667 MHz at the most, in a very specific configuration. See the first post.

Thanks for the reply.

You don't need to repeat, since I have read the first post.

The point was this specific ram was listed in Ryzen series QVL and on the list it specifically said it supports 3200Mhz. No mention of this IMC silicon lottery that you MIGHT not get 3200Mhz. 

How do you proof it was the IMC's/RAM/other component's fault, not the motherboard's fault which advertised in their QVL that this memory will work in 3200Mhz with Ryzen series CPU? 

This basically means the QVL MSI has is worthless. It should not have been advertised as supported in the first place, since it is still a gamble.

To me that is false advertising. That actually lead me to buy this board with this memory since other B350 boards does not have this memory listed in the QVL for 3200Mhz (Some put 2933, for example).
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 21-July-17, 04:49:46
Thanks for the reply.

You don't need to repeat, since I have read the first post.

The point was this specific ram was listed in Ryzen series QVL and on the list it specifically said it supports 3200Mhz. No mention of this IMC silicon lottery that you MIGHT not get 3200Mhz.

How do you proof it was the IMC's/RAM/other component's fault, not the motherboard's fault which advertised in their QVL that this memory will work in 3200Mhz with Ryzen series CPU?

This basically means the QVL MSI has is worthless. It should not have been advertised as supported in the first place, since it is still a gamble.

To me that is false advertising. That actually lead me to buy this board with this memory since other B350 boards does not have this memory listed in the QVL for 3200Mhz (Some put 2933, for example).

No. The board does support it. 

And again, don't know how many times it needs to get repeated.....WHY WOULD YOU BLAME MSI FOR SOMETHING THAT AMD DOESN'T GUARANTEE THEMSELVES?

I don't know why everyone has this huge issue understanding that the only thing the motherboard does is pass the lines from the memory to the CPU. It's not like there is a northbridge that controls the memory anymore on the motherboard. In fact, outside of carrying the data from the memory to the CPU, the only other thing the motherboard does is set the timing.....but wait, even that comes from the memory themselves and AMD (since AMD controls how the IMC is setup.....). So again, where does MSI have any control over anything here?

It sucks you can't get 3200 MHz. It sucks that the QVL lists it at 3200 MHz. Maybe they did hit it when they did the QVL, nearly 8 months ago now. Back when I'm sure AMD was sending all the OEM's cherry picked CPU's that had the best overclocking capabilities. 
But the reality is, if AMD guaranteed 3200 MHz, it'd be a different story. As it stands, they only guarantee up to 2667 in a specific situation, and less in all others. Does that mean the CPU can't do it? No, you might get lucky and get one that can do 4133 MHz. Does this mean the board doesn't support it? No, it clearly does as users are able to get 3200 MHz and much higher. See most of the users with Samsung B-die getting 3200 MHz or higher.

So lastly, again, I go back to my first question..... HOW DO YOU KNOW YOUR CPU WILL DO 3200 MHz ON THE IMC?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: RemusM on 21-July-17, 09:42:08
To me that is false advertising. That actually lead me to buy this board with this memory since other B350 boards does not have this memory listed in the QVL for 3200Mhz (Some put 2933, for example).

Many folks still don't understand.
For the last time (I hope):
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B350-TOMAHAWK.html#productSpecification-section
Main Memory
 • 4 x DDR4 memory slots, support up to 64GB
 - Supports DDR4 1866/ 2133/ 2400/ 2667(OC)/ 2933(OC)/ 3200(OC)+ Mhz *
 • Dual channel memory architecture


So the motherboard supports 3200 (even more).
But AMD does not guarantee the OC (overclocking) profiles.
Above 2666MHz you run the CPU IMC out of specs, so you are gambling.
:beerchug:
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: lkt01070 on 21-July-17, 14:55:19
No. The board does support it.

And again, don't know how many times it needs to get repeated.....WHY WOULD YOU BLAME MSI FOR SOMETHING THAT AMD DOESN'T GUARANTEE THEMSELVES?


I don't know why everyone has this huge issue understanding that the only thing the motherboard does is pass the lines from the memory to the CPU. It's not like there is a northbridge that controls the memory anymore on the motherboard. In fact, outside of carrying the data from the memory to the CPU, the only other thing the motherboard does is set the timing.....but wait, even that comes from the memory themselves and AMD (since AMD controls how the IMC is setup.....). So again, where does MSI have any control over anything here?
...chill man. No one is blaming you for this. Let's have a discussion.
The reason why is simply because MSI has put this in QVL? AMD doesn't guarantee it sure, but they don't have an official list on their website saying this specific ram is supported with product code to run at 3200Mhz with Ryzen CPUs. 

It is like if there was another list on the website saying this board supports 4.8Ghz Ryzen 1600X officially, another official list saying their board could support 5Ghz i7-7700k, there won't be since that is gambling and silicon lottery.

Are you sure about "the only thing the motherboard does is pass the lines from the memory to the CPU"? What about BIOS? Voltage controllers? Clock generators? EMP shielding?

BIOS: That also explains why some people has 1 version of BIOS working with 3200Mhz and another version doesn't, doesn't it?
Voltage controllers: Stable and accurate voltage is critical for any electronics that runs at high speed, vdroops compensation as well.
Clock generators: Again stable and accurate clocks with good phase duty cycle control is critical.

That sounds like a lot of control to me that is critical to all the components that is plugged in to the board. I can go on forever...

It sucks you can't get 3200 MHz. It sucks that the QVL lists it at 3200 MHz. Maybe they did hit it when they did the QVL, nearly 8 months ago now. Back when I'm sure AMD was sending all the OEM's cherry picked CPU's that had the best overclocking capabilities.
But the reality is, if AMD guaranteed 3200 MHz, it'd be a different story. As it stands, they only guarantee up to 2667 in a specific situation, and less in all others. Does that mean the CPU can't do it? No, you might get lucky and get one that can do 4133 MHz. Does this mean the board doesn't support it? No, it clearly does as users are able to get 3200 MHz and much higher. See most of the users with Samsung B-die getting 3200 MHz or higher.

So lastly, again, I go back to my first question..... HOW DO YOU KNOW YOUR CPU WILL DO 3200 MHz ON THE IMC?

If AMD doesn't guarantee 3200Mhz, then there shouldn't have been a QVL that states it'd work from MSI. 

People who bought the more expansive sumsung B-die rams could all boot into 3200Mhz, so magically all their Ryzen CPUs have a good IMC? And the rest of the people with other rams who may or may not get 3200Mhz has to be lucky? That's where the QVL comes in. It has been QUALIFIED. AMD could have cherry picked, but like I said you won't advertise or have an official list somewhere that says the Ryzen CPU supports 4.5Ghz since we had it working, qualified.

So lastly, again, I go back to my first question... how do you know the motherboard is not defective from any BIOS, voltage controllers, clock generators, EMP shielding, etc, problems?

:hat tip:
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 21-July-17, 16:09:23
...chill man. No one is blaming you for this. Let's have a discussion.
The reason why is simply because MSI has put this in QVL? AMD doesn't guarantee it sure, but they don't have an official list on their website saying this specific ram is supported with product code to run at 3200Mhz with Ryzen CPUs.

It is like if there was another list on the website saying this board supports 4.8Ghz Ryzen 1600X officially, another official list saying their board could support 5Ghz i7-7700k, there won't be since that is gambling and silicon lottery.

Are you sure about "the only thing the motherboard does is pass the lines from the memory to the CPU"? What about BIOS? Voltage controllers? Clock generators? EMP shielding?

BIOS: That also explains why some people has 1 version of BIOS working with 3200Mhz and another version doesn't, doesn't it?
Voltage controllers: Stable and accurate voltage is critical for any electronics that runs at high speed, vdroops compensation as well.
Clock generators: Again stable and accurate clocks with good phase duty cycle control is critical.

That sounds like a lot of control to me that is critical to all the components that is plugged in to the board. I can go on forever...

If AMD doesn't guarantee 3200Mhz, then there shouldn't have been a QVL that states it'd work from MSI.

People who bought the more expansive sumsung B-die rams could all boot into 3200Mhz, so magically all their Ryzen CPUs have a good IMC? And the rest of the people with other rams who may or may not get 3200Mhz has to be lucky? That's where the QVL comes in. It has been QUALIFIED. AMD could have cherry picked, but like I said you won't advertise or have an official list somewhere that says the Ryzen CPU supports 4.5Ghz since we had it working, qualified.

So lastly, again, I go back to my first question... how do you know the motherboard is not defective from any BIOS, voltage controllers, clock generators, EMP shielding, etc, problems?

:hat tip:

First : >>Please read and comply with the Forum Rules.<< (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=64858.0)
Last time I'm linking that for you.

Clearly the board supports it. If it didn't, why could other users get 3200 and even 3600 or 4000? Clearly the problem is not with the board.....

Also, AMD does state what it officially supports. See the first post. That picture is from AMD, on AMD's website, and from all their promotional material. So...yeah....it's there. Maybe you didn't search enough?

As far as silicon lottery....that's overclocking. Welcome to the world of overclocking. Guess what? Anything higher than 2667 MHz? Guess what? That's overclocking. Silicon Lottery. See the line above about AMD putting it on their site? Yup. Overclocking. Silicon Lottery.

As far as the motherboard, yes I am sure. In fact, I even commented (you decided to ignore, since you don't read to understand, just to respond....) on the fact that the BIOS can control it, but it gets that information from the memory modules themselves (go back and re-read it...) and AMD's AGESA code for setting up the internal IMC timing.

So, lets look at what you discussed : 
EMP? Sure, it plays a part, but if that was the issue, users wouldn't be able to get 3200 MHz on the board.....or higher in some cases..... 
Voltage controllers : Are a hardware part. They aren't going to change how they function from one bios to another. It might change the voltages, but even then, manually set it up? It's overclocking, and that's unfortunately a part of it.
Clock Generators : The MSI board doesn't have any for the CPU, as they are internally generated (hence why you can't change the BCLK). If you're talking about the clock generators for the phasing of the voltage regulators, these generally use PLL's and dividers to provide the clocks properly, and while I'm not familiar with exactly what part is used on the board in question, if this was an issue it would mean a complete failure in many conditions, and not just a very specific one (in this case, memory frequency).

Users have gone as far as actually changing CPU's, only to find the new CPU (same motherboard, ram, power supply, GPU, etc...) actually could clock the IMC much higher, even on the same BIOS.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: SSuperBronky on 22-July-17, 17:57:42
Hello. I have Corsair Vengeance LPX CMK16GX4M2B3000C15 memory and after last bios update to agesa 1.06 it dosn`t work on 3200 16-16-16-16-36 1.35 v.  But on the prewios bios it worked with stable performance on 1.27 Voltage of mem and couple of days with stress tests. 
Motherboard B350M GAMING.

Any changing proc odt is a cyclic reebooting, (like on previos bios)  Timings like a last bios with working autosettings, subtimings, ani settings is a fail/////////// Any woltages of soc\chipset too/  whats happen?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: kaisersolo on 24-July-17, 11:30:19
I have been tinkering around with memory timings and sub timings at the weekend to see how much extra performance i can get at 2933 from My corsair lpx 3200 v5.39 hynix
MSI x370 Gaming Plus, R7 1700 & 16 GB (2*8) LPX 3200 @ 2993

Any one advise any improvements to this see attachmentmy timings (https://imgur.com/FuwMCbj)
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: akalinski on 28-July-17, 06:57:08
What's happening with the b350 tomahawk artic bios?

First of all, my setup:
Ryzen 5 1600
MSI b350 Tomahawk Artic
16 GB corsair LPX 3200 CMK16GX4M2B3200C16 (which is listed as 3200 compatible)
MSI armor GTX 1080
Thermaltake Smart DPS G 700W 80 Plus Bronze Modular

Seriously, every bios update make my setup more unstable since 1.3 (7A34vH3).

I can perfectly run on 2933 with 1.3 without any problem, and 3200 100% stable when system boot, but sometimes it need 2-3 restart to boot, so i was staying on 2933 for easier boot

But with 1.4 or 1.5 i cant manage to get 2933 stable, it would sometimes boot, sometimes not, and 3200 is just impossible, never boots, well, maybe im not 100% accurate with this last statement, with 1.5 it boots with a-xmp profile to 3200, but the ram shows 2133 on bios and windows, but the xmp 1 profile is enabled with 3200 supposed speed...

Any help with 1.5 or i'll have to go back to 1.3 (again)?
Check my thread, there is a small guide at the end how you at least get 3066Mhz. At two pc starts this week i had one of these magical reboots, but my ram stays at 3066mhz

https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=289548.0
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: b_rynlds on 28-July-17, 17:03:39
I have the msi b350 gaming pro carbon using the ryzen 1700 overclocked to 3.9ghz, Gskill ripjawsV ddr4-3200 (16-16-16-36) F4-3200C16D-16GVK which I believe is hynix chips... I chose xamp profile one and it booted first try at 3200mhz.. When I initially booted the board i flashed with beta bios 1.51 using mflash..

 I have a couple questions.. For one I have never overclocked memory and I'm wanting to try it.. basically would like to try to get up to 3400mhz and have no idea what i'm doing..  From what i understand I can increase my voltage if needed but should try it first at the lowest voltage i can..
I also notice my dram voltage runs lower than what its suppose to as you can see in the hwmonitor screenshot below, its showing 1.344 not much lower but lower than the 1.35v, I've seen it as low as 1.22v

I have also noticed is when i run an Aida64 memory bench using beta bios version 1.51, why is it showing it as agesa 1.0.0.4a? also included a screenshot below.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 28-July-17, 17:24:47
Don't worry about what AGESA version is shown, to be honest.
1.0.0.6 will have the extended memory sub timings available in the memory settings. If you can see them, you're on 1.0.0.6. MSI is (generally) terrible at updating the version string within the BIOS.

Your memory is rated for 3200 MHz. Trying to get to 3400 MHz might be a stretch.
The easiest way to try is to go into the BIOS and manually select 3400 MHz from the overclocking menu section and see if that works.

As far as voltage, up to 1.45V is OK for DRAM voltage. up to 1.2V is OK for the NB/SoC voltage. Outside of that, it gets more technical and I would probably suggest looking into guides on how to specifically tune your memory (use google to find them.....).
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: kaisersolo on 29-July-17, 14:25:15
Quote from: kaisersolo (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=283351.msg1639463#msg1639463)
I have been tinkering around with memory timings and sub timings at the weekend to see how much extra performance i can get at 2933 from My corsair lpx 3200 v5.39 hynix
MSI x370 Gaming Plus, R7 1700 & 16 GB (2*8) LPX 3200 @ 2993

Any one advise any improvements to this see attachmentmy timings (https://imgur.com/FuwMCbj)

@darkhawk any ideas how to optimise my timings further??
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 29-July-17, 17:04:06
@darkhawk any ideas how to optimise my timings further??

I am by no means a memory expert. 

And unfortunately, the parts I have are by no means a good example to even begin trying to help (actually, my B350 system is down....long story....)

My best suggestion is to work with gear down mode, try it with it on and off, and see if you can increase your memory speeds.
I might also suggest using the memory try it feature with gear down mode turned off.
You can also try manual timings, and start with some very very loose timings that are a good bit higher than the SPD values for your memory.

As far as the XMP mode, I can't really speak about it. It does appear in the latest versions of the BIOS's, it's broken. I have no idea if/when MSI will be fixing that.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: dampfer_mail on 29-July-17, 17:25:27
Because the entire MSI forum is bloated with topics related to AMD Ryzen CPUs and B350 motherboards.

1) The XMP (overclocking) profiles have been designed by Intel for the Intel CPUs.
They are not even guaranteed by Intel to work on any Intel CPU.
Trying to make them work on the AMD CPUs is gambling.

2) At these moment these are the memory configs & speeds guaranteed by AMD for their Ryzen CPUs:
1866 MHz for 4 DIMMs in dual channel and dual rank.
2133 MHz for 4 DIMMs in dual channel and single rank.
2400 MHz for 2 DIMMs in dual channel and dual rank.
2666 MHz for 2 DIMMs in dual channel and single rank.
Anything above that is gambling.


I am not a "Pro" and I believed this - so I bought a second 2400 module with 16 GB of the same brand (g.skill f4 2400c15s)
And it does NOT work!
I tried both modules in slot 2 as suggested in the boards user manual and both modules are running fine alone.
But no matter what slots I put both modules in together  the system refuses to boot with 32gb in 2 banks - and yes I tried the slot 2 and 4 combo too.
With that 2+4 slot combo the system will only turn on power and shut down right away again in a continuous loop so I have to turn off power and remove the snd. module from the 4th slot so it boots normally again.:undecided:
I did not overclock anything as there currently is no need for me to do that because the 1700x and the gtx1070 are fast enough to handle the VR games I play.
But HOW can I find out if maybe "xmp" is running and causing the problem?
Can I find that in the MSI command center or do I need to enter the bios on startup?
Or do I even have to enter the bios just to activate a second 16 GB module (assuming the 2 modules are supposed to be placed in slots 2 and 4 because the user manual only shows a picture of that w/out any explanation on how to propperly install a snd memory module.


Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: flobelix on 29-July-17, 17:54:15
You believed what??? What RemusM listed are the AMD specs and of course corret but you are mixing memory and not using a kit. Mixing memory is and never was a good idea. Neither on AM4 nor on any other platform. Also yes, even if you are using the "same model" like your existing stick it is still mixing memory. Even a day later a different batch of the same model could even use totally different memory chips. To be safe only a matched kit surely works together. Not following this basic rule you get results like you have. Possibly increased voltage or more relaxed timings could help but you'll need to try.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: loghein on 31-July-17, 07:49:05
I got MSI b350M mortar, recently updated to 7A37v15 with Team ELITE PLUS ram, I know that this ram is not in compatibility list but on 7A37v13 it work perfectly fine but now it constantly crash. I've tried to set the timing to other recommendation by TEAM, but it still crashing.

I've downgrade to 7A37v14 it seems stable, anyway 7A37v15 is completely broke this RAM compatibility, please fix it on next update.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: kaisersolo on 31-July-17, 18:42:06
I am by no means a memory expert.

And unfortunately, the parts I have are by no means a good example to even begin trying to help (actually, my B350 system is down....long story....)

My best suggestion is to work with gear down mode, try it with it on and off, and see if you can increase your memory speeds.
I might also suggest using the memory try it feature with gear down mode turned off.

You can also try manual timings, and start with some very very loose timings that are a good bit higher than the SPD values for your memory.

As far as the XMP mode, I can't really speak about it. It does appear in the latest versions of the BIOS's, it's broken. I have no idea if/when MSI will be fixing that.


 @darkhawk, success with 3066 - memory try ir gear down mode disabled here is the result attached. 
What next start tighten the timings any standout suggestins from this image

many thanks by the way!!! : )


Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 31-July-17, 22:47:03
Looking good! Much better for sure!
Nothing stands out to be perfectly honest. It looks pretty standard for Hynix memory.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: kaisersolo on 01-August-17, 13:06:13
Looking good! Much better for sure!
Nothing stands out to be perfectly honest. It looks pretty standard for Hynix memory.


Alas, It Doesn't stick and on the next reboot goes back to default . I did set my proc to 60 ohms, dram 1.35, nb soc 1.15. Any other suggestions? I will try again tonight manually adding the settings I posted and see I can get it stable. Looking for a Bios update for x370 gaming plus - do you know when the next ones due!
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 01-August-17, 14:13:02
MSI doesn't let us know when BIOS updates even happen. I am manually checking each and every day for updates. Read the notes at the top of the AM4 BETA BIOS thread for more information.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: ayman_kouzayha on 01-August-17, 15:37:26
Hello, Recently I upgraded my system with these parts:
- Ryzen 5 1600
- MSI X370 SLI PLUS (came with 7A33v30 BIOS but I did update it to the latest 7A33v34)
- Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 DRAM 3200MHz C16 Desktop Memory Kit - Black (CMK16GX4M2B3200C16) / Sadly its v5.39 Hynix

I decided to slightly overclock the CPU due to high summer temperature 30C ambient so I chose 3.6Ghz, auto voltage did set it around 1.265v and it was reaching 77c on Aida64, it didn't look right, I re-applied thermal paste and tweaked the voltage to 1.168v, now it reaches 72c on Aida64

Then I moved to the RAM and tried these options:
1- XMP1 3200mhz 16-18-18-36 at 1.35v : NO BOOT
2- 3200mhz loosen the timings 17-19-19-38 1.37v: NO BOOT
3- 2933mhz loosen the timings 17-19-19-38 1.37v: NO BOOT
4- 2666mhz 16-18-18-36 at 1.35v : BOOTED and passed Aida64 memory benchmark
5- 2666mhz 15-15-15-36 at 1.35v: BOOTED and passed Aida64 memory benchmark

With the RAM at 2666mhz my Cinebench R15 score dropped from 1187 to 1132! Is this normal to have lower score? Am I benefiting from 2666mhz compared to the stock 2133mhz, notice that I kept using the stock fast timings.

Thanks.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: xfxp1384 on 01-August-17, 21:12:42
Hello, Recently I upgraded my system with these parts:
- Ryzen 5 1600
- MSI X370 SLI PLUS (came with 7A33v30 BIOS but I did update it to the latest 7A33v34)
- Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 DRAM 3200MHz C16 Desktop Memory Kit - Black (CMK16GX4M2B3200C16) / Sadly its v5.39 Hynix

I decided to slightly overclock the CPU due to high summer temperature 30C ambient so I chose 3.6Ghz, auto voltage did set it around 1.265v and it was reaching 77c on Aida64, it didn't look right, I re-applied thermal paste and tweaked the voltage to 1.168v, now it reaches 72c on Aida64

Then I moved to the RAM and tried these options:
1- XMP1 3200mhz 16-18-18-36 at 1.35v : NO BOOT
2- 3200mhz loosen the timings 17-19-19-38 1.37v: NO BOOT
3-2933mhz loosen the timings 17-19-19-38 1.37v: NO BOOT
4- 2666mhz 16-18-18-36 at 1.35v : BOOTED and passed Aida64 memory benchmark
5- 2666mhz 15-15-15-36 at 1.35v: BOOTED and passed Aida64 memory benchmark

With the RAM at 2666mhz my Cinebench R15 score dropped from 1187 to 1132! Is this normal to have lower score? Am I benefiting from 2666mhz compared to the stock 2133mhz, notice that I kept using the stock fast timings.

Thanks.

I have the exact same ram, but the board. and I'm currently running it at 2933mhz without an issue.

you don't need that much voltage when doing 2933, 

(http://i.imgur.com/HXH16bu.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/pVTxdys.png)

This is my current setup, try give it ago. I think it should boot.

I'm on the latest official BIOS though.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: artur.aragao on 08-August-17, 19:07:57
I think it's been said now a few times this isn't the case for Ryzen, for whatever reason. Look up reviews with games like Fallout, Crysis 3, The Witcher 3. The difference can be as much as 15%, which results in 10-20FPS differences.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TId-OrXWuOE just an example.

Anyway, I see my question is not going to be answered. I asked about ETA and possible fixes. Not excuses for why running 3200MHz at 2400MHz is acceptable, when I've spent 200 euro on a board. I'm not blaming MSI here, the launch is a crapshoot, probably cause of AMD, but I'd like a (rough) timeline for fixes.
Dear,

I wanted to hear from the staff here about the whole video. I got it. A kit of F4-3200C14D-16GFXs + the MSI X370 XPOWER GAMING TITANIUM. 16GB for what I do is little and I am likely to undertake the acquisition of yet another set of these memories. My question is if they will work in full at 3200MHz. I'm hoping so. And also wanted to know from others that they happen to use 2 16GB combs with even higher clocks, as I have not found in the compatibility matrix and so few people are using such memories. Can you help me???? Because I really need 32GB or more in my workstation and entertainment.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: DARKKi on 09-August-17, 12:53:18
Thanks for all the info here! I am just building an Ryzen setup and this helped a lot! :]
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: ivan.vlaho.vlasic on 09-August-17, 15:18:00
Hi,

I am interested in buying MSI X370 GAMING PRO CARBON. I am looking for RAM support.

I need help in understanding QVL for RAM memory!! There is information that MSI X370 GAMING PRO CARBON support Patriot PVE416G320C6KGY. It is stated that this RAM is SS (single sided), support 3200 MHz speed and can populate 4 DIMMs.

Does this mean that MSI X370 GAMING PRO CARBON can run 4x8 GB Patriot PVE416G320C6KGY at 3200 MHz??????

Please help!!
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: RemusM on 09-August-17, 15:24:31
Does this mean that MSI X370 GAMING PRO CARBON can run 4x8 GB Patriot PVE416G320C6KGY at 3200 MHz??????

Many people still don't understand.
The motherboard is almost irrelevant here.
Your Ryzen CPU can NOT run 4 memory modules at 3200 MHz.
You are limited by the CPU IMC,
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: ivan.vlaho.vlasic on 09-August-17, 16:04:08
Many people still don't understand.
The motherboard is almost irrelevant here.
Your Ryzen CPU can NOT run 4 memory modules at 3200 MHz.
You are limited by the CPU IMC,
Thanks for info!!

Which, not so expensive 3200 MHz RAM you recommend for MSI x370 GAMING PRO CARBON?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: RemusM on 09-August-17, 16:30:29
Thanks for info!!

Which, not so expensive 3200 MHz RAM you recommend for MSI x370 GAMING PRO CARBON?

The 3200 kits are cheap these days.
If you want 32GB and better chances for higher speeds, go for a 2 x 16 GB kit.
The current Ryzen IMCs are not mature enough, but you can reach 2933 or even 3200 if you're lucky.
Many Corsair and G.Skill kits seem to be "Ryzen friendly".
:beerchug:
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 09-August-17, 16:34:12
If you really want to be certain, you're going to pay extra for it.
G.Skill Flare X kits have very great success at reaching the posted speeds for each kit.
You could see if you can find a 2x16GB FlareX kit. That's what I would get if I wanted to be certain I could hit that speed.

It doesn't remove the fact that the CPU's IMC still plays a large part in it.....
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: ivan.vlaho.vlasic on 09-August-17, 17:07:53
Do you know any not so expensive 2*8 GB RAM that will work at 3200 MHz on MSI X370 GAMING PRO CARBON and Ryzen 5 1600??

At QVL almost all ram is stated as 8 GB, it is confusing..
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: neonaus on 09-August-17, 21:29:17
If you really want to be certain, you're going to pay extra for it.
G.Skill Flare X kits have very great success at reaching the posted speeds for each kit.
You could see if you can find a 2x16GB FlareX kit. That's what I would get if I wanted to be certain I could hit that speed.

It doesn't remove the fact that the CPU's IMC still plays a large part in it.....
I can confirm my x-flare 3200mhz kit works like a dream on this motherboard. no issues

running beta bios 1.82
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: RemusM on 10-August-17, 10:14:23
I can confirm my x-flare 3200mhz kit works like a dream on this motherboard. no issues

running beta bios 1.82

Yes, but you have only 16GB memory (a 2 x 8GB kit).
For 32GB (2 x 16GB) and 64GB (4 x 16GB) the G.Skill Flare X kits are limited to 2400 MHz.
https://gskill.com/en/search?keyword=flare+x
Again, the Ryzen CPUs can NOT run 4 memory modules at 3200 MHz.
:beerchug:
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: ivan.vlaho.vlasic on 10-August-17, 10:58:13
I can confirm my x-flare 3200mhz kit works like a dream on this motherboard. no issues

running beta bios 1.82
Please, can you provide Part number of your Flare X 3200 MHz?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: RemusM on 10-August-17, 12:16:53
Please, can you provide Part number of your Flare X 3200 MHz?

With this model you have big chances for 2933 and 3200 with the Ryzen CPUs:
https://gskill.com/en/product/f4-3200c14d-16gfx
Again, nothing is guaranteed.
G.Skill note:
Rated XMP frequency & stability depends on MB & CPU capability.

Good luck.
:biggthumbsup:
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: xsauron on 10-August-17, 17:02:12
With this model you have big chances for 2933 and 3200 with the Ryzen CPUs:
https://gskill.com/en/product/f4-3200c14d-16gfx
Again, nothing is guaranteed.
G.Skill note:
Rated XMP frequency & stability depends on MB & CPU capability.

Good luck.
:biggthumbsup:
;
Hi please, help me. I have PC configuration above and I can not find stable configuration 3200 MHz.

Please, do you send me your EXACT configuration of BIOS for 3200MHz. 

For example screen shot of BIOS.

I have last BIOS 1.8.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: xsauron on 10-August-17, 17:08:09
I can confirm my x-flare 3200mhz kit works like a dream on this motherboard. no issues

running beta bios 1.82
Please add screenshot of configuration of your BIOS. I cannot set 3200 Mhz for stable running.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: ivan.vlaho.vlasic on 10-August-17, 17:18:26
Thanks for info, I will buy Flare X 3200MHz!
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: vgsneto on 11-August-17, 14:11:37
Hi people, I want your thoughts about the training/retry feature on recent mobos. I have a MSI B350 PC Mate, Ryzen 7 1700 on stock settings and 2x8 DDR4 memory Corsair Vengeance LED 3200 MHz CL16 CMU16GX4M2C3200C16B. I updated the BIOS to 1.0.0.6 AGESA and after I've tried to oc the memory through XMP profile, which has as settings 3200 MHz, timings 16 18 18 36 and voltage at 1.35v. It didn't work. Then I've tried 2933 MHz, same timings and added voltage manually to 1.36v. The system entered the training/retry mode, first attempt failed, second booted normally, no issues, no crashes. But, after I've turned it off, and it was more than one time, the system always fails first boot and succeds on the second. Does this thing, fail on first, booting normally on the second, for a 24/7 use, can damage the board in the long run? Also, I've read that when applying more voltage to RAM, the maximum safe amount is 1.4v for a 24/7 use. Does this proceed? Thanks for the attention.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: 360twin on 13-August-17, 17:29:48
I thought that I would post my experience here for reference.
 
My board came with BIOS version 3.10 and set the DRAM to 2133 automatically. BIOS version 3.30 was available at this time, so I updated to this immediately. The two A-XMP profiles available were ‘2933’ (Profile 1) and ‘3200’ (Profile 2), I selected Profile 2, saved and re-booted. DRAM speed shown was ‘3200’ with settings ‘16, 18, 18, 18, 36’ and I installed the OS.
 
When BIOS ver3.40 became available I updated to this and noticed that both A-XMP profiles were now ‘3200’. I selected Profile 1, saved and re-booted. As previous, DRAM speed was ‘3200’ at the rated settings. My system has been completely stable since.
 
Last week I built another machine using the exact same parts, and was not so lucky. This one has a different graphics card (HD 7970), SSD (OCZ Vertex4) and PSU (Coolermaster 600W) but is otherwise the same. I cannot get the memory to boot reliably above 2667 with A-XMP, Try It! or manual settings. If the machine boots successfully at 3200 it runs without error; a ‘Restart’ does not prevent start-up, but left overnight results in a memory error on POST.
 
It is currently running at 2667Mt/s but the owner is a little disappointed not to achieve 3200 (or even 2933) since mine with the same components does. I have since discovered that both Corsair kits are single-rank with Hynix IC’s, which helped very little.
 
Note that in both cases the cpu’s are running at default settings (no overclock). Machine specs in signature.

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Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: xfxp1384 on 14-August-17, 05:19:25
I thought that I would post my experience here for reference.
 
My board came with BIOS version 3.10 and set the DRAM to 2133 automatically. BIOS version 3.30 was available at this time, so I updated to this immediately. The two A-XMP profiles available were ‘2933’ (Profile 1) and ‘3200’ (Profile 2), I selected Profile 2, saved and re-booted. DRAM speed shown was ‘3200’ with settings ‘16, 18, 18, 18, 36’ and I installed the OS.

Glad to see you got that working, though It's the first time I saw Hynix A-die, and your model number is different than mine as well.

It could be the latest version that they're selling atm.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: heath.bortolin on 15-August-17, 12:24:21
Hi everyone, I have: 1800X, MSI X370 PRO CARBON, and have 2 kits of corsair vengence (2x8GB) lpx 3200mhz ram C16 (4x8Gb total). I've had huge issues running my ram anywhere near 3200MHz even though i was able to post at 2933MHz (unstable) at one stage. I discovered one of my ram sticks was defective and wasnt working correctly. I've messed with A-XMP profiles, manual timing settings and atm i have 2x8Gb sticks of my ram running at stock 2133MHz (stable). I'VE HAD ENOUGH, and trust me I've tried latest bios, timings, reinstalling windows and everything.

To be quick, I want to buy F4-3200C14D-16GTZR or the 32GB version F4-2400C15Q-32GTZR ram and was wondering if anyone can confirm these will work as advised. The motherboard support shows F4-3200C14D-16GTZ as supported but does this mean the R model (RGB) will work?

I didn't feel great not knowing what wasn't working properly in my first custom built pc. I'm hoping it is just some bad ram and not the motherboard or some other component. I've used prime95 (30mins) and cinebench (1750) to test CPU overclock and im confident the CPU is good. However, I'm worried that with my many, many, many attempts to get 3200MHz with 4 sticks ( I realise this is probably not achievable) and 2 sticks I've damaged some other component, as I've noticed small stutters here and there. Any help is greatly appreciated after all this hassle. What problems can arise from overclocking ram, if any major ones?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: docsekk on 15-August-17, 16:54:17
Upgrade bios
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: heath.bortolin on 16-August-17, 06:24:45
Dear Dorcsekk

Thank-you for your detailed analysis and help, I will thoughtfully consider upgrading my bios, even though I have the most recent bios installed.

Thanks.

still deciding between F4-3200C14D-16GTZR and F4-3200C14D-16GTZ non RGB
could anyone advise...please
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: Nichrome on 16-August-17, 10:33:36
still deciding between F4-3200C14D-16GTZR and F4-3200C14D-16GTZ non RGB
could anyone advise...please
I think it is up to your taste. I personally would go RGB (as everything is RGB today...) and set them to match colours of my setup (white+red).
If your case doesn't have a window, then grab standard (non RGB) kit.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: unthinkable13 on 17-August-17, 07:46:49
Realistically is it still possible to expect any improvements from bios updates after all these memory tweaks that been done so far and still unable to reach 3200 nor even 2933 or its time to change hardware?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: aykutclyn on 17-August-17, 07:53:23
Hi All , 

I'm currently using my r5 1600 with X370 Carbon and G.skill F4-3000C16D-16GTZR(was cheapest rgb ram on the market) however i'm not able to reach 3000mhz yet but got it work at 2800 mhz which is fine for me.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: RemusM on 18-August-17, 09:17:31
Realistically is it still possible to expect any improvements from bios updates after all these memory tweaks that been done so far and still unable to reach 3200 nor even 2933 or its time to change hardware?

Above 2666 MHz you're gambling (overclocking).
Don't expect any BIOS update to make your CPU IMC faster.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: mitja1990 on 18-August-17, 20:26:13
Hello guys

I have just upgrade my PC and I am having issues running my RAM to its specified speed. I am using MSI B350 Tomahawk motherboard with the latest BIOS installed and I am running official supported RAM (HX430C15PB3K4/16(Profile1)) as you can see in this at URL: https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B350-TOMAHAWK.html#support-mem-2 (https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B350-TOMAHAWK.html#support-mem-2)

I am also running Ryzen 1600. Nothing has been overclocked, everything is set to auto. I did try and playing around with the RAM settings, by using XAMP profile 1 and 2 with no success. At the moment It seems it can only run at 2400Mhz anything more, the computer does not POST and restarts 5 times before defaulting back to 2400Mhz.

Any advice how I can go about getting this to run at 2933Mhz as specified of the MSI website?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

 (https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B350-TOMAHAWK.html#support-mem-2)

 (https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B350-TOMAHAWK.html#support-mem-2)

 (https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B350-TOMAHAWK.html#support-mem-2)
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 18-August-17, 23:23:39
Hello guys

I have just upgrade my PC and I am having issues running my RAM to its specified speed. I am using MSI B350 Tomahawk motherboard with the latest BIOS installed and I am running official supported RAM (HX430C15PB3K4/16(Profile1)) as you can see in this at URL: https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B350-TOMAHAWK.html#support-mem-2 (https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B350-TOMAHAWK.html#support-mem-2)

I am also running Ryzen 1600. Nothing has been overclocked, everything is set to auto. I did try and playing around with the RAM settings, by using XAMP profile 1 and 2 with no success. At the moment It seems it can only run at 2400Mhz anything more, the computer does not POST and restarts 5 times before defaulting back to 2400Mhz.

Any advice how I can go about getting this to run at 2933Mhz as specified of the MSI website?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

This thread is 11 pages, and has at least the answers you need 10 times throughout it, possibly quite a bit more.

Not only that, you didn't even (obviously) even bother reading just the first post. 
With 4 DIMM's, you'll be lucky to get 2667 MHz, much less any higher.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: mitja1990 on 19-August-17, 00:00:59
You're right I didn't read any of the previous posts since Ryzen and memory compatibility seems to have around 1 billions different problems.

Nice to see that MSI is advertising 2933Mhz for the ram, yet its unlikely to even get 2667 MHz.

Been reading more about the Ryzen issues and I am amazed at the hype for Ryzen CPU's. For a product that has so many memory issues, it comes across as being pretty poor IMO. I guess you get what you pay for. Lesson learned for next time.

Thanks for the info, much appreciated it.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 19-August-17, 13:49:20
You're right I didn't read any of the previous posts since Ryzen and memory compatibility seems to have around 1 billions different problems.

Nice to see that MSI is advertising 2933Mhz for the ram, yet its unlikely to even get 2667 MHz.

Been reading more about the Ryzen issues and I am amazed at the hype for Ryzen CPU's. For a product that has so many memory issues, it comes across as being pretty poor IMO. I guess you get what you pay for. Lesson learned for next time.

Thanks for the info, much appreciated it.

I won't deny it, Ryzen has been an absolute :censored:  show. On the surface, yes, AMD and everyone else (fan boys especially) make it out to be the best thing since sliced bread. And it is actually GOOD. But there are many issues. And many problems that many users just don't understand, or don't want to understand.

Personally, I enjoy my Ryzen system. It's only a 1500X, but it's only a bit slower than my older 4770K. I'm sure the 1700x or 1800x would be much better. And then there's the even new Threadripper, which I'm sure would mop the floor with the 4770k. 

Personally, if I was in the market for a new PC (I'm not.....not really), I'd probably be looking at a Threadripper. I recently just got a Z270 Gaming M7 and a X299 Gaming Carbon ACK....and I have no interest in making the X299 system. I'm considering the Z270 (with a 7700K, maybe, if I can find one at a decent price), but I'm now getting to the point where I just have no interest in games and I really don't need the power or performance anymore.

All that being said, I think Ryzen does one thing. It provides a much, MUCH better performance for price value than Intel does, or will, in the near future. It's what the market needed to innovate further (lets face it, we've had quad core, 8 thread CPU's for what? 5 years now? :censored:?). The question really becomes, how does Intel react? And can AMD iron out all the problems with Ryzen/Threadripper, and get Ryzen2/TR2 right in another 2 years? That's really what is on people's minds....
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: dwayne.thompson on 25-August-17, 14:17:06
Hi,

I have bought a MSI B350M GAMING PRO Socket AM4 AMD Ryzen 7th Gen Athlon DDR4 USB 3.1 Micro ATX Motherboard and G.Skill Ripjaws 4 Series - DDR4 - 8 GB : 2 x 4 GB - DIMM 288-pin (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00RLV0Q9G/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)..

Will the RAM be compatible with the MB??

Thanks
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 25-August-17, 15:14:56
Hi,

I have bought a MSI B350M GAMING PRO Socket AM4 AMD Ryzen 7th Gen Athlon DDR4 USB 3.1 Micro ATX Motherboard and G.Skill Ripjaws 4 Series - DDR4 - 8 GB : 2 x 4 GB - DIMM 288-pin (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00RLV0Q9G/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)..

Will the RAM be compatible with the MB??

Thanks

Most likely it will work just fine.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: linkz1993 on 26-August-17, 13:22:39
Just bought a MSI A320M Gaming pro mother board with a GSkill ripjaws V series ram , it shows on site that its not compatible , Should I immediately send it back or is it good to put on ?

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232085&nm_mc=TEMC-RMA-Approvel&cm_mmc=TEMC-RMA-Approvel-_-Content-_-text-_-
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 26-August-17, 13:59:04
Just bought a MSI A320M Gaming pro mother board with a GSkill ripjaws V series ram , it shows on site that its not compatible , Should I immediately send it back or is it good to put on ?

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232085&nm_mc=TEMC-RMA-Approvel&cm_mmc=TEMC-RMA-Approvel-_-Content-_-text-_-

Generally, I'd just say to give it a try. It's DDR4, so it should work. Since it's not some insane speed (2667 MHz or higher), I'd give it a try. Obviously you don't care quite as much about how fast the RAM runs, so it will probably work at the default speeds (2133 MHz) just fine.
If it doesn't work, then I'd consider sending it back and get something else.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: mullinberger on 28-August-17, 09:14:05
Hello, I have a B350m Mortar Arctic and purchased 8gb of DDR4 3000 memory along with it, made sure to see that it was QVL with Ryzen 5 before purchasing.

The memory is recognized in the BIOS as 2133 unless I overclock it; with Memory Try It I can get it up to it's specc'ed 3000 with the advertised timings.

Does Memory Try It definitely increase voltage to the RAM even though it's only running at its specified manufactured speed? If so, is this a concern in the long term? The BIOS does not specify any sort of voltage increase when activating Memory Try It.

Thank you!
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: badboy2k on 28-August-17, 09:42:00
Hello, I have a B350m Mortar Arctic and purchased 8gb of DDR4 3000 memory along with it, made sure to see that it was QVL with Ryzen 5 before purchasing. The memory is recognized in the BIOS as 2133 unless I overclock it; with Memory Try It I can get it up to it's specc'ed 3000 with the advertised timings. Does Memory Try It definitely increase voltage to the RAM even though it's only running at its specified manufactured speed? If so, is this a concern in the long term? The BIOS does not specify any sort of voltage increase when activating Memory Try It. Thank you!

typically at 3000Mhz it uses 1.35v as its target on memory Try it and what it mainly does is slackens off alot of the deeper sub timings over XMP so it should be safe!


you can look in some software like HWMonitor to see what voltage is being supplied to your RAM!

typically with DDR4 RAM 1.1 - 1.45V on it is totally safe as DDR4 by its standards are meant to run upto 1.5V
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: racerx11080 on 30-August-17, 14:17:24
First I would like to say hi to all, and to thank you on great thread - I've read all 11 pages and it was really helpful, but I would like to ask you guys for advice:

I am planing to buy Ryzen 7 1700x and MSI X370 gaming PRO carbon  --- I am trying to make a budget workstation for 2d/3d digital art and concept design, so I need at least 32GB of RAM. I've read whole thread, but it is very possible that I misunderstood something, cause some things are still confusing me:

a) I've understood that best choice would be G Skill Flare X if I want to hit 3200Mhz, which is not guaranteed, because it depends on my Ryzen CPU, cause they guarantee only 2666Mhz.

b) But 3200Mhz can only be obtained with 16GB (2x8GB), with 2X16GB or 4X8GB (32GB) of RAM or higher I can go with maximum of 2400Mhz (also because of Ryzen) - and buying 3000 or 3200Mhz DDR4 ram would be overkill. Is this correct?

Because G skill has this products:
F4-3200C14Q-32GFX or F4-3200C14D-16GFX
you can find them on https://gskill.com/en/finder?cat=31&series=2954    -first two one on top


So now I am confused: Can I get 3200Mhz with 4x8GB of RAM  from G skill Flare X -  how they are tested for Ryzen if Ryzen CAN NO T SUPPORT over 2400Mhz for 32GB?

Also, if Ryzen support only 2400Mhz for 32GB, will that stay  like that because it is architectural limitation or is it some sort of software limitation which will be resolved in future???? ( I really don't know what am I talking about here)

Thank you in advance!
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: RemusM on 30-August-17, 16:04:34
Can I get 3200Mhz with 4x8GB of RAM  from G skill Flare X -  how they are tested for Ryzen if Ryzen CAN NO T SUPPORT over 2400Mhz for 32GB?

Yes, you can.
But the chances to run (stable) 4 memory modules at 3200 MHz are VERY slim.
In most of the cases you will be limited at 2400 MHz with 4 memory modules.
Anyway, if you want 32GB memory with Ryzen, the best choice is a 2 x 16GB kit.
It's guaranteed to work at 2400 MHz and you have good chances for 2666 and 2933 Mhz.
:biggthumbsup:
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: racerx11080 on 30-August-17, 16:09:25
Yes, you can.
But the chances to run (stable) 4 memory modules at 3200 MHz are VERY slim.
In most of the cases you will be limited at 2400 MHz with 4 memory modules.
Anyway, if you want 32GB memory with Ryzen, the best choice is a 2 x 16GB kit.
It's guaranteed to work at 2400 MHz and you have good chances for 2666 and 2933 Mhz.
:biggthumbsup:




Thank you, so your advice is to go with 2x16 GB G skill module at 2400Mhz??
 like this one:  https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232520??? 


Also, will I be able to expand later on 64GB if I buy another 2x16 (same model)? Thank you in advance
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: RemusM on 30-August-17, 16:18:25
Thank you, so your advice is to go with 2x16 GB G skill module at 2400Mhz??
 like this one:  https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232520???
Also, will I be able to expand later on 64GB if I buy another 2x16 (same model)? Thank you in advance

That's a very good choice for 32GB.
But mixing memory modules or kits is always a bad idea.
So if you want 64GB memory, you should start with a 4 x 16GB factory matched kit.
;-))
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: carlk on 15-September-17, 13:23:57
2666 MHz for 2 DIMMs in dual channel work's fine for me it shall do for now.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: yan.metal on 16-September-17, 02:35:32
Hi everyone,
I hate these Ryzen compatibility issues with memories.
Before I had problem with 2 sticks Hyperx model Hx424c15fb/8, I ended up selling them because they did not work together.

I bought new HyperX HX428C14PBK4 / 32 memory sticks which is 2800mhz is a 4x8GB kit, but if I connect all the combs as much as I can it's make them run at @ 2400 15-15-15-36 however if I put only 2x8GB they run at standard speed 2800mhz from 14-15-15-15-36. Why does it happen?

In my work I have computers with intel i3 with DDR3 memory combs from different speeds manufacturers and work perfectly in dual channel.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: badboy2k on 16-September-17, 03:15:00
Hi everyone, I hate these Ryzen compatibility issues with memories. Before I had problem with 2 sticks Hyperx model Hx424c15fb/8, I ended up selling them because they did not work together. I bought new HyperX HX428C14PBK4 / 32 memory sticks which is 2800mhz is a 4x8GB kit, but if I connect all the combs as much as I can it's make them run at @ 2400 15-15-15-36 however if I put only 2x8GB they run at standard speed 2800mhz from 14-15-15-15-36. Why does it happen? In my work I have computers with intel i3 with DDR3 memory combs from different speeds manufacturers and work perfectly in dual channel.

AMD's Memory Controllers are not as refined as Intels Memory controllers so trying to compare the 2 is not a good equivilence (Intel has a Massive R'n'D Budget but AMD has a tiny one as they have been playing catch up with what they have)

have you tried to set the memory to 2666Mhz with all 4 sticks?

(Note for all 4 Dimms installed by spec DDR4 2400Mhz is all AMD states any CPU supports on Ryzen chips (may be able to be a bit better but that is luck of the draw "heard of the silicon lottery?"))
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 16-September-17, 03:54:44
Not only that, but DDR3 was much more forgiving....especially in the 3xxx and 4xxx series.....compared to how poor it was with the 6xxx and 7xxx series. 

I mean, it's fairly well spelled out in the very first post of this thread. If you want the maximum performance, get samsung b-die, and only get 2 sticks of memory. Your likelihood of getting 3200 MHz + from that combination is >90%. 
Hynix on the other hand, is quite a bit lower. If you wanted 3200 MHz, I would've bought 3600 or even 4000 MHz memory. 

It sucks, and I won't disagree with you regarding the situation. But there isn't a whole lot anyone can do about it.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: Nichrome on 16-September-17, 20:10:15
Not to mention that AM4 is AMD's very first DDR4 platform. So before they tune their IMC for higher frequencies, Intel will already be working with DDR5 and getting those tuned out.
Also it is a matter of luck too to some extent.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: dziwisz101 on 17-September-17, 17:09:40
Hello ;D
I would like to ask sb with experiance with RAM overclocking if there is anything I can change to achive more RAM speed on my setup as in signature, I know this are not  samsung b-dies and I already made some good  OC,  but I wonder if I can do more? On b350 motherboard  I saw only 1 stable 3466mhz RAM. Maybe it's imposible on non BCLK motherboard?- I am watching buildzoid on Actually Hardcore Overclocking (https://hwbot.org/newsflash/4344_actually_hardcore_overclocking_news_ryzen_gtx_1080ti_and_more), he claimed that multipliers on Ryzen IC are bugged moslty above 3200mhz, so only bclk can bring memory frequency higher, can any BIOS update like agesa 1006b fix that?
Ryzen 1600x
MSI B350 pc mate
F4-3600C17D-8GV (https://www.gskill.com/en/product/f4-3600c17d-8gvk)K   this are samsung E-die I have to profiles with same timings for xmp1 3466 and  xmp2 3600mhz
I read a lot to learn about tricks on Ryzen RAM OC, all new functions that brought agesa 1006, but still i know not much, or at least I can't find any source to read about how to set timings like CUD BUS,ohms , all subtimings, etc on Ryzen...
3466 is stable enough to run some tests, but not to past them, tests last secends to minutes sometimes. 3600MHZ can boot to windows but very unstable.
So far I was able to set my RAM like this: 3333mhz,.
DRAM voltage 1,35v- more voltage does nothing
SOC voltage 1,1v  more voltage does nothing
Main Timings: CR1.16.16.16.16.36 - loosening main timings does't work
tRC 52 - I have learned that from AMD agesa 1006 update "lets talk dram", that this settings works best for me when   tRC=tRAS+tRP
trfc= auto=434, tRFC-for 3600mhz by pressing F5(shows xmp timings) is 469, tRC is 56 for 3600mhz.
Rest subtimings from taiphoon burner for 3600mhz profile, only trfc auto
FAW= 35,  RRDS=7,RRDL=9, 
To get 3333mhz from 3200mhz stable i needed CLDO_VDDP on 0,975v, for 3466mhz it seems it need less, 0,970v-more stable.
ProcODT seems to work fine itself, for all higher speed it's 60ohms, but auto seems also work.
Setting geardownmode to disable makes CR2 and allows to set odd numbers, like 2.17.18.18.18.18.38, for 3600mhz profile, but CR2 in general helps only to boot 3600mhz, not 3466mhz.

Are there any more settings to tweak to make 3466mhz stable?

Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: steve.lemieux1 on 18-September-17, 16:22:12
Not only that, but DDR3 was much more forgiving....especially in the 3xxx and 4xxx series.....compared to how poor it was with the 6xxx and 7xxx series.

I mean, it's fairly well spelled out in the very first post of this thread. If you want the maximum performance, get samsung b-die, and only get 2 sticks of memory. Your likelihood of getting 3200 MHz + from that combination is >90%.
Hynix on the other hand, is quite a bit lower. If you wanted 3200 MHz, I would've bought 3600 or even 4000 MHz memory.

It sucks, and I won't disagree with you regarding the situation. But there isn't a whole lot anyone can do about it.
Is that an hardware limitation or is it something that will eventually be fixed with a later AGESA update?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 18-September-17, 16:47:04
Is that an hardware limitation or is it something that will eventually be fixed with a later AGESA update?

That's anyone's guess....

But consider this.....AMD doesn't state that with dual rank or with more than 2 sticks of RAM, the memory speed drops for no reason. 
They know that the more you load their IMC, the lower the clock speed on the memory needs to be.
They guarantee the speeds in the first post for a reason. They're confident that a very very large portion of systems can hit that without any issues.
And anything higher than that is considered overclocking and not guaranteed. 

I don't think any amount of new 'bios's or AGESA code will change that. Ryzen 2 might, down the road.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: artur.aragao on 19-September-17, 16:42:23
Dear,

I needed information from the engineering team itself, as I am an MSI fan and I am very disappointed with the compatibility of the memories on these boards. My configuration follows in the signature. I got one more 16GB kit, totaling 4 8GB combs. I can not put the memories in 3200. And at this link "https://www.gskill.com/en/press/view/g-skill-announces-flare-x-series-and-fortis-series-ddr4-memory-for-amd-ryzen" is It's possible to see that the memories work perfectly at 3200, which is not happening to me. I'm very disappointed in this. By the time already were to be working in this configuration in my MSI XPOWER X370 GAMING TITANIUM. It's funny to see that it's reported that the maximum memory the mainboard supports is 64GB, but in compatibility information we do not see sets with densities larger than 16GB. Frustrated even with this. Memories are supported to work together from 4 out of 8GB to 3200, but my mainboad does not recognize them as 3200. When I try they get unstable and cause the machine to reboot constantly. The memories are running at 1866MHz. Frustrating...

When I look at the link on which mainboard has been tested, I am extremely sorry. It was tested with the configuration in an ASUS. Just that my ancestors said that I should have gone.

Stably I was able to put it at 2933MHz. That was great. I put it through the profiles, without XMP. I did not enable it because it did not work.
I hope MSI will release a new AGESA with full compatibility for these memories together of 4, because they work at 3200MHz in 4 slots.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: flobelix on 19-September-17, 18:06:01
Dear,

I needed information from the engineering team itself, as I am an MSI fan and I am very disappointed with the compatibility of the memories on these boards. 

You can't contact MSI directly on this forum. To do so: >>How to contact MSI.<< (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=107326.0)
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 20-September-17, 11:58:39
Dear,

I needed information from the engineering team itself, as I am an MSI fan and I am very disappointed with the compatibility of the memories on these boards. My configuration follows in the signature. I got one more 16GB kit, totaling 4 8GB combs. I can not put the memories in 3200. And at this link "https://www.gskill.com/en/press/view/g-skill-announces-flare-x-series-and-fortis-series-ddr4-memory-for-amd-ryzen" is It's possible to see that the memories work perfectly at 3200, which is not happening to me. I'm very disappointed in this. By the time already were to be working in this configuration in my MSI XPOWER X370 GAMING TITANIUM. It's funny to see that it's reported that the maximum memory the mainboard supports is 64GB, but in compatibility information we do not see sets with densities larger than 16GB. Frustrated even with this. Memories are supported to work together from 4 out of 8GB to 3200, but my mainboad does not recognize them as 3200. When I try they get unstable and cause the machine to reboot constantly. The memories are running at 1866MHz. Frustrating...

When I look at the link on which mainboard has been tested, I am extremely sorry. It was tested with the configuration in an ASUS. Just that my ancestors said that I should have gone.

Stably I was able to put it at 2933MHz. That was great. I put it through the profiles, without XMP. I did not enable it because it did not work.
I hope MSI will release a new AGESA with full compatibility for these memories together of 4, because they work at 3200MHz in 4 slots.

Let's be honest here.

The speed of the memory bus is not governed by just the memory.

In fact, it is entirely dominated by the CPU's integrated memory controller (IMC). So any changes on the CPU itself can have a very drastic impact on the memory frequency.

Not only that, as many are well aware of, Ryzen's IMC is good, for their first try (with DDR4). However, expecting high frequency memory overclocks (see the first post, anything above those speeds under those conditions, is in fact, an overclock....), while using high density DRAM, is really a bit of a pipe dream. As we've said multiple times over and over.

Each CPU is different, like it or not, admit it or not. Many have found this out (in many cases, because they bought another CPU). How can you be positively sure, without any bit of doubt, that your CPU can handle doing 3200 MHz on double sided memory when all 4 slots are populated? Obviously there's quite a bit of doubt on AMD's side, since if they felt it would do that with no issues, they wouldn't keep their guaranteed frequency at 1866 MHz in that situation. Compared to Intel's current 2400 MHz on their Z270 platforms (and possibly higher for the Z370 when it comes.....). 

It's a crappy situation. Everyone just expects their memory to run at the rated frequencies that they bought. I get it. But technically, it's not just that simple. And while I'm no memory expert, I understand the underlying architecture well enough to know where it's limits are.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: RemusM on 20-September-17, 14:25:19
1) My configuration follows in the signature. I got one more 16GB kit, totaling 4 8GB combs. I can not put the memories in 3200.

2) And at this link "https://www.gskill.com/en/press/view/g-skill-announces-flare-x-series-and-fortis-series-ddr4-memory-for-amd-ryzen" is It's possible to see that the memories work perfectly at 3200, which is not happening to me.

1) you mix memory kits and that's a bad move.
Buy a factory matched 4 x 8GB or 2 x 16GB kit if you want 32GB memory.

2) you are wrong
The memory "rated" speed has nothing to do with your CPU IMC quality.
The overclocking results are never guaranteed.

The bottom line:
- most of the Ryzen CPUs are limited to 2400MHz in case of 4 memory modules.
- 3200MHz with 4 memory modules is a "rara avis" on both platforms (AMD and Intel).
In this case, "rara avis" means less than 10% chance.
;-))
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: bishop107 on 22-September-17, 14:54:49
I am running B350 Gaming Plus MB latest BIOS update with Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB CMK16GX4M2B3200C16R.  Successfully overclocked 1st time using XMP Profile 1 and increased the voltage to 1.350 (do not recommend anything higher).  Running 5 days now, ran AIDA64 multiple times and no issues.
Hopefully this helps with some of the memory issues.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: rafaelcollett on 25-September-17, 12:36:32
Hi everyone.

I bought a MSI B350 Mortar Artic and updated bios last version.

I set my memory do run at 3200mhz by XMP profile 2 and the system starts normally.

The problem is when i turn off my PC. It try to start several times and my memory back do 2133 losing my setup changes. I must to do my settings again to run at 3200.

Has anybody here the same problem?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: artur.aragao on 26-September-17, 01:32:51
Something that is troubling me PROOFLY is to see that the B350 chipset is corresponding better in support than for the X370.

Something I do not understand is to see the dynamic clock work on the B350 and not on my X370. All configured correctly, drivers installed properly and nda to work.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: yan.metal on 26-September-17, 05:03:31
Not only that, but DDR3 was much more forgiving....especially in the 3xxx and 4xxx series.....compared to how poor it was with the 6xxx and 7xxx series.

I mean, it's fairly well spelled out in the very first post of this thread. If you want the maximum performance, get samsung b-die, and only get 2 sticks of memory. Your likelihood of getting 3200 MHz + from that combination is >90%.
Hynix on the other hand, is quite a bit lower. If you wanted 3200 MHz, I would've bought 3600 or even 4000 MHz memory.

It sucks, and I won't disagree with you regarding the situation. But there isn't a whole lot anyone can do about it.
 Yes, I tried them at 2666mhz using the 4 DIMM slots (dual rank) and it did not work, only at 2400mhz.
I got other sticks from my vendor to test. Model hyperx predator 3000mhz model HX430C15PB2K4 / 16 is a 4x4gb kit. Same story using 2 DIMM slots I achieved maximum speed of 2933mhz and indicated latency, but using 4 DIMM slots (single rank) I only got 2666mhz in that kit.

When comparing the performance of it is better to use the kit 2x8gb at 2800mhz than using 4x4gb at 2666mhz

Is this problem of using the 4 DIMM slots and the memory not reaching the maximum speed can be fixed by an update in the future or is it a physical limitation of the memory controller? If instead of the chip set B350 I switch to an x370 board would I have the same problem? (If I am not mistaken the controller is in the processor so the chipset is indifferent right?)
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: yan.metal on 26-September-17, 05:24:47
Something that is troubling me PROOFLY is to see that the B350 chipset is corresponding better in support than for the X370.

Something I do not understand is to see the dynamic clock work on the B350 and not on my X370. All configured correctly, drivers installed properly and nda to work.
I understand your frustration, because I'm also very frustrated with everything. Sometimes I think why I did not buy a Core i5-7500 that here in Brazil was cheaper.

But in the last update of Bios most of my problems have been solved.

But use only 2 memory sticks if you want to 32GB use a 2x16gb kit.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: RemusM on 26-September-17, 09:06:53
1) When comparing the performance of it is better to use the kit 2x8gb at 2800mhz than using 4x4gb at 2666mhz

2) Is this problem of using the 4 DIMM slots and the memory not reaching the maximum speed can be fixed by an update in the future or is it a physical limitation of the memory controller?

1. Obviously
2. the speed limitation in case of 4 memory modules comes from the CPU IMC (additional load), so don't expect any BIOS update to fix that.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: knorpeltasched on 27-September-17, 05:13:15
Hi 

I am new in the English Forum. I got a Little Problem with my MSI X370 Gaming Pro Carbon. (1700X with 4x8GB Kingston HX426C15FBK2/16). Until Bios Version 1.5 the Ram Speed could be used at 2666 MHz. Now I have updated the bios to Version 1.96 beta and i can't get above 2400 MHz. Same Problem in the Versions 1.70, 1.80 and 1.94. If i put the Speed at 2666 MHz it will end up in a Boot Loop.  Any Idea ?

P.S. Sorry for my English
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: jtvandeveen on 27-September-17, 06:39:31
I've got the ryzen 1700 with a msi x370 gaming pro carbon.
2x8 gigs of hyperx predator running fine at 3000mhz. 
SKU: HX430C15PB3K2/16
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: artur.aragao on 27-September-17, 06:54:55
I understand your frustration, because I'm also very frustrated with everything. Sometimes I think why I did not buy a Core i5-7500 that here in Brazil was cheaper.

But in the last update of Bios most of my problems have been solved.

But use only 2 memory sticks if you want to 32GB use a 2x16gb kit.
The problem is that I am unemployed and have no more money. How do I do?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: lilsaf44 on 27-September-17, 16:21:53
How come i get 3 long beeps, the a restart and boot when using any xmp profile or memory try it. (2993mhz)
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: badboy2k on 27-September-17, 16:54:18
How come i get 3 long beeps, the a restart and boot when using any xmp profile or memory try it. (2993mhz)

what motherboard do you have?
what memory are you using?
how many sticks do you have installed?
what CPU are you using in your motherboard?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: steve.lemieux1 on 27-September-17, 20:42:26

2. the speed limitation in case of 4 memory modules comes from the CPU IMC (additional load), so don't expect any BIOS update to fix that.

I'm looking at my other motherboard, an Asus with the X370 chipset and it does support DDR4-3200 on 4 dimms, but only for one G.SKill model (note that the latest G. Skill models certified for AMD do not appear in this list yet as it is dated from 8/16).
https://www.asus.com/ca-en/Motherboards/ROG-CROSSHAIR-VI-HERO/HelpDesk_QVL/

Support for 4dimms is spotchy above 2133mhz and no official support seems to exists for memory above 3200mhz for this chipset (X

if it's a problem with the CPU IMC, then there seems to be a work around that some memory manufacturers have managed to use.  Or there's a problem with the B370 chipset of AMD.

I'm curious about memory support for the Threadrippers.  Any one here had experience with one of these and higher clocked memory?

Anyway, I'm hopeful for the future, I think by next year, more memory manufacturers will make 3200mhz or even 4000mhz as promised by AMD.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: RemusM on 28-September-17, 07:29:46
more memory manufacturers will make 3200mhz or even 4000mhz as promised by AMD.

In fact AMD (and Intel) must make better CPU IMCs for them.
:lol_anim:
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: steve.lemieux1 on 28-September-17, 18:59:16
They have achieved 4000mhz on the Ryzen, but with a CAS latency 18 8gb single stick:
https://segmentnext.com/2017/07/03/amd-ryzen-ddr4-speed-barrier/

I see a lot of improvements since May when Ryzen was first released.  I remain hopeful some kind of work-around fix for Ryzen can still be found.

Since you obviously know a lot more than me about this, what would be the relative difference between achieving 4000mhz speed with a CAS 18 stick vs 3200mhz with a CAS 14 stick?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: xsauron on 29-September-17, 00:07:38
Hi, a lot of people say, that they can run with 4 RAM moduls on 3200MHz and that new Ryzen, which were created after 25th week, are very good for overcloking.
Maybe a lot of our problems are with old Ryzen revision. You can try RMA process, because all old Ryzen have Linux bug and AMD does send new AMD CPU free.

Check forum https://community.amd.com/thread/215773?start=1680&tstart=0

And do RMA with your CPU

Article about AMD replacement: https://www.extremetech.com/computing/254750-amd-replaces-ryzen-cpus-users-affected-rare-linux-bug
Ryzen killscript for test and log you can use like reason for RMA : https://github.com/suaefar/ryzen-test
RMA form for start for RMA process: http://support.amd.com/en-us/contact/email-form
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: saharramin2 on 30-September-17, 02:12:57


boys boys

ON RYZEN ONLY USE DUAL CHANNEL NOT 2*SINGLE

ON THREADRIPPR ONLY USE QUAD CHANNEL NOT 2*DUAL


inside ram,(hardware ,IC and pcb )single,dual,quad not same ,completly diffrante ,, many people think = dual =2*single channel  ram or quad =4* dual ram



you must use only ram, write on box QUAD for threadripper (dual for ryzen)

if you put wrong ram your system cant start , even if start , hiccops rip in windows, harm your cpu

in amd thteadripper ,change your ram to this
gskill ri4*8  3200=250$
or
gskil ripjaws4  4*4 2400=150$

https://www.amazon.com/G-Skill-Ripjaws-2400MHz-PC4-19200-Channel/dp/B00N1OZDPO

for ryzen usr only ram write on box DUAL CHANNEL
gskill RGB trident z 3200 2*8 =180$
geil evo x 3200 2*8 =120$
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: lilsaf44 on 30-September-17, 17:17:57
what motherboard do you have?
what memory are you using?
how many sticks do you have installed?
what CPU are you using in your motherboard?
B350 tomahawk
Lpx 8gb 3000mhz (2x4 stick)
R5 1600
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: badboy2k on 30-September-17, 18:17:37
B350 tomahawk Lpx 8gb 3000mhz (2x4 stick) R5 1600

on ryzen chips only 2667Mhz is guaranteed in dual channel as it adds extra stress to the IMC and 2993Mhz is a Overclock and may never work as it juts depends how good the IMC on the CPU is!

are you running the latest BIOS for your board as it may help a little?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: lilsaf44 on 01-October-17, 01:09:40
on ryzen chips only 2667Mhz is guaranteed in dual channel as it adds extra stress to the IMC and 2993Mhz is a Overclock and may never work as it juts depends how good the IMC on the CPU is!

are you running the latest BIOS for your board as it may help a little?
Well I've used latest and different betas. So it's classed as an OC even though the ram is 3000mhz! So do I have to do some ocing on cpu too?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 01-October-17, 13:16:34
*Lots of stuff*

No reason to repeat the same post multiple times. See : >>Please read and comply with the Forum Rules.<< (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=64858.0)
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: luiz_antonio_motta on 03-October-17, 04:59:53
Please, guys! I need a help!

Im looking for 32gb(2x16gb) that works at 3000Mhz or 32000mhz with my B350 Tomahawk Arctic and a 1700. Anyone? :cry:
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: sauli.koivistoinen on 03-October-17, 10:23:07
Here are my UserBenchmark result:

UserBenchmarks: Game 62%, Desk 79%, Work 74%
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600 - 86.2%
GPU: AMD RX 480 - 62.2%
SSD: Samsung 850 Evo 250GB - 92.5%
SSD: Kingston SSDNow V300 120GB - 52.2%
RAM: G.SKILL F4 DDR4 3200 C16 2x8GB - 95.8%
MBD: MSI B350 TOMAHAWK ARCTIC (MS-7A34)

Can't hit more than 2800mhz(14-14-14-34-66-1T) with my G.Skill rams.

Any ideas how to get 3200mhz?  What is the difference between 1T & 2T ?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 03-October-17, 12:09:55
Please, guys! I need a help!

Im looking for 32gb(2x16gb) that works at 3000Mhz or 32000mhz with my B350 Tomahawk Arctic and a 1700. Anyone? :cry:

You're going to be hard pressed to find modules that can do that, as they are all double rank DIMM's, which will cause the IMC more stress than single rank DIMM's. Usually the best we hear users getting with modules like this are 2933 MHz.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 03-October-17, 12:14:24
Here are my UserBenchmark result:

UserBenchmarks: Game 62%, Desk 79%, Work 74%
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600 - 86.2%
GPU: AMD RX 480 - 62.2%
SSD: Samsung 850 Evo 250GB - 92.5%
SSD: Kingston SSDNow V300 120GB - 52.2%
RAM: G.SKILL F4 DDR4 3200 C16 2x8GB - 95.8%
MBD: MSI B350 TOMAHAWK ARCTIC (MS-7A34)

Can't hit more than 2800mhz(14-14-14-34-66-1T) with my G.Skill rams.

Any ideas how to get 3200mhz?  What is the difference between 1T & 2T ?

1T and 2T is the difference in command rate, or the time delay (in clock cycles) between when the controller activates the memory select line, and when it sends a command to the memory.

Without knowing what memory you have exactly, it's really hard to recommend much. But have you changed any voltages at all? Played with any of the other settings within the BIOS? There's 12 pages on this thread, most of it with users asking the same questions over and over without reading the thread. Where answers get repeated time after time after time. So, I suggest spending time and actually reading the thread.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: luiz_antonio_motta on 03-October-17, 15:48:24
You're going to be hard pressed to find modules that can do that, as they are all double rank DIMM's, which will cause the IMC more stress than single rank DIMM's. Usually the best we hear users getting with modules like this are 2933 MHz.

Do you suggest any? Thanks for your help.
Im think about giving up the 32gb and go with 16gb(2x8gb). Any sugestion?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: steve.lemieux1 on 03-October-17, 18:47:56
Please, guys! I need a help!

Im looking for 32gb(2x16gb) that works at 3000Mhz or 32000mhz with my B350 Tomahawk Arctic and a 1700. Anyone? :cry:
I have two Ryzen rig, one Ryzen 5 (MSI B350 board) and one Ryzen 7 (X370 chipset)

With a Ryzen 7 1700x and another board from another brand, I have these, but in 16gb (2x8):
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/MZwqqs/gskill-memory-f43200c14d32gtz
running at 3200mhz, no problem and overclocked at 3400mhz did give me some stability problem with an older BIOS (haven't tried again with a newer one and I haven't fiddled with the voltage either).

these ones, in 2x16gb, are guaranteed to work on my Ryzen 7 motherboard at 3200mhz:
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/wX7CmG/gskill-flare-x-series-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-3200-memory-f4-3200c14d-16gfx

I am unsure if they would work with the MSI B350 though, I have only tried these speed on my X370 board, the other one is at 2400mhz since it's not for gaming.

In theory, memory support comes with the AGESA updates, so these should work for any board with a Ryzen CPU... maybe buy them from a place you know will take them back if they don't work?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: sauli.koivistoinen on 04-October-17, 07:03:04
Wow! After putting TrC to 75 and disabled XMP profiles my ram G.SKILL F4 DDR4 3200 C16 2x8GB reach 3066mhz with my Tomahawk Artic. Before this just 2800mhz.

No need to change voltages or timigs at all.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: lilsaf44 on 04-October-17, 18:59:32
what do you suggest?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: arno.hei on 04-October-17, 19:07:13
Hey guys. Frustrated B350 PC MATE owner here. My RAM does not work.
 
 
 
 BIOS is the newest (from last month with AGESA Code 1.0.0.6b and updated memory compatibility) and the kit (RipjawsV F4-3200C16D-16GVKB) is supposed to be supported (different color in the list, last two letters different).
 
 There's 2 XMP profiles, 3066 and 3200MHz and neither works. PC turns on, turns off, turns on, turns off and so on until I cut the power with the PSU switch so that the BIOS resets itself. Currently running at a measly 2133MHz. :censored:?!
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: mikejb36 on 06-October-17, 13:42:34
i have MSI Gaming AMD Ryzen B350 DDR4 VR Ready HDMI USB 3 ATX Motherboard (B350 PC MATE)
Return window closed on May 27, 2017
$99.99

 Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 DRAM 3200MHz C16 Desktop Memory Kit – White (CMK16GX4M2B3200C16W)
Return window closed on May 27, 2017
$119.99

so i called MSI to see if there was somrthing i can do to get my ram back to 3200mhz i have the new bios Version 7A34vA7 Release Date 2017-09-19 File Size 7.78 MB
and asked if i roll back to factory bios if it would reset ram they said no because you can't roll back to factory bios agesa code 1.0.0.6b trashed my mobo to get it fixed ill have to get a new mobo and not get the bios with
agesa code when i first got this mobo and ram i was at 3200mhz update bios 2400mhz is the highest i can go hops there is a new bios or a bios to roll back to factory bios and start again
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 06-October-17, 18:05:43
so i called MSI to see if there was somrthing i can do to get my ram back to 3200mhz i have the new bios Version 7A34vA7 Release Date 2017-09-19 File Size 7.78 MB
and asked if i roll back to factory bios if it would reset ram they said no because you can't roll back to factory bios agesa code 1.0.0.6b trashed my mobo to get it fixed ill have to get a new mobo and not get the bios with
agesa code when i first got this mobo and ram i was at 3200mhz update bios 2400mhz is the highest i can go hops there is a new bios or a bios to roll back to factory bios and start again

You can flash older versions and it'll work just fine.....many users have done what you are talking about because they ran into the same problems as you did.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: e.ussin on 06-October-17, 18:49:07
I've been able to get my RAM CMU16GX4M2C3200C16 to reliably cold boot and boot into windows at 3333MHz however whenever I run prime95 I get the same BSOD no matter what setting I change which says ATTEMPTED_WRITE_TO_READ_ONLY_MEMORY.
The settings I'm using currently (Ordered as they appear in the bios):
Main Timing: 1-16-16-16-36 (Tried 1-16-18-18-18-36 got same result)
Sub Timing: 78-0-584-26-5-13-7-9-13-35-14-9
Turn Around Timing: 6-1-5-5-6-1-7-7-8-1
Misc Item: Enabled-Disabled-Disabled-Enabled
On-Die Termination: 60Ohm- Auto-Auto-Auto
Soc Voltage: 1.0V (I tried up to 1.175V and it made no difference, 1.0V works flawlessly at 3200MHz)
CLDO_VDDP: 0.845V
DRAM Voltage: 1.45V (I tried up to 1.48V and it didn't make a difference)

Does anybody know what settings could I possibly touch to make this work properly?
I know that there are quite a bunch of other settings inside the Advanced DRAM Configuration page but I do not know how to modify them as I haven't been able to find an explanation on how to tweak them or what they do.
They do work perfectly fine at 3200MHz but I'd like to get them to work at 3333MHz none the less.

Motherboard: MSI X370 Gaming Pro Carbon
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: miklet on 06-October-17, 20:33:39
Completely agree with Darkhawk,
Recently, while doing experiments, starting with version 1.96, I loaded BIOS version 1.9 then 1.97 (backwards), then 1.8 and finally back to 1.9 again. Decided the newest BIOS was no harm, so I will stay with it until another new one is out. No fear back-tracking.
Just follow the procedures outlined this forum.

good luck
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: tetelo101 on 06-October-17, 21:31:08
Will a 3000 Mhz corsair vengeance memory that's not on msi qvl run at least at 2933 Mhzb with a b350 mortar? Did anyone try it? There aren't many 3000 ram options supported by msi and 3200 are currently very expensive in my country
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 06-October-17, 22:35:42
Will a 3000 Mhz corsair vengeance memory that's not on msi qvl run at least at 2933 Mhzb with a b350 mortar? Did anyone try it? There aren't many 3000 ram options supported by msi and 3200 are currently very expensive in my country

See the first post. There's no guarantees that it'll run any faster than 2667 MHz. It's overclocking. So your experience may vary from another users.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: dport78 on 07-October-17, 07:06:28
Great info. Answered all my questions
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: gu.munoz on 07-October-17, 12:52:14
I would like to share my experience with the memory OC with my B350M Mortar.

I am running 4 sticks single rank RAM (16gb 4x4 cfg) at 3200 (memories are rated to 2667 mhz).

DRAM Voltage: 1.36v
16-18-18-18

So far so good :) very happy with MSI, had a AB350M-Gaming-3 from GB - the same RAM's would not even run properly in 2667
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: miklet on 07-October-17, 13:03:29
gu.munoz

Please tell us about the RAM - manufacturer name, model and part number if possible.
Did you buy all four sticks in one kit?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: RemusM on 07-October-17, 13:42:56
I am running 4 sticks single rank RAM (16gb 4x4 cfg) at 3200 (memories are rated to 2667 mhz).

Sooner or later you'll get into stability issues.
The CPU IMC load in case of 4 x 4GB is the same as for 2 x 8GB.
But it's always better (more stable) to use only 2 memory modules.
;-))
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: gu.munoz on 09-October-17, 21:00:38
Sooner or later you'll get into stability issues.
The CPU IMC load in case of 4 x 4GB is the same as for 2 x 8GB.
But it's always better (more stable) to use only 2 memory modules.
;-))
hx426c15fbk2-8 and HX426C15FB/4

Yep, but in Brazil the memories are super expensive like the TridentZ is almost 599/699 USD, so I cannot afford that yet hehe.
I`ve been testig since that day and so far it is seems stable (I`ve been plauing Paragon and PUBG) got a crash in PUBG but still not sure if realated to the memory or the game itself, but as no other game has yet crashed cannot comment.
In case I find it unstable I will add more voltage to see if gets stable - running @1.36 the RAM`s and 1.1v the SoC.

Regards,
Gustavo
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: miklet on 10-October-17, 18:47:02
Gustavo,
Thank you for the extra details.
I think you should count your blessing and the terrific copy of CPU. It seems to be one of the best performing so far.
Achieving 3200MHz with four sticks is rare and even more so, when the RAM is not on the compatibility list.
Gives all of us hope, that we find further improvements.

On my rig, 2933MHz with four stick of Corsair CMU16GX4M2C3200C16B is the best I can manage. I am very happy with the MSI board and the Admin's here have given me most of the insights used to get to 2933.

Have fun with your system! and thanks for the feedback.
Mike
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: gu.munoz on 10-October-17, 19:43:25
Hello Mike,

I am very happy with MSI board as well - I thought my CPU was bad, as with the Gigabyte board I had so many issues with the RAM sticks, anyway it seems that I got lucky (FINALLY) even though 2933 is a very nice OC as well. Now I will try to play with the CPU OC - gonna post my results here once I do it, for the 1500X the 1.4v is the max vCore as well for  24x7? I was reading OC's for 1600x/1700 - not many people seems to have the 1500x

PS: I did the memory OC with the "Memory try ti" feature could not believe it when it posted lol - gonna try some other memory hungry applications to check stability.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 10-October-17, 20:38:55
Hello Mike,

I am very happy with MSI board as well - I thought my CPU was bad, as with the Gigabyte board I had so many issues with the RAM sticks, anyway it seems that I got lucky (FINALLY) even though 2933 is a very nice OC as well. Now I will try to play with the CPU OC - gonna post my results here once I do it, for the 1500X the 1.4v is the max vCore as well for  24x7? I was reading OC's for 1600x/1700 - not many people seems to have the 1500x

PS: I did the memory OC with the "Memory try ti" feature could not believe it when it posted lol - gonna try some other memory hungry applications to check stability.

I got one. I managed 4.0 GHz, but it wasn't the most stable.
I stick to 3.8 GHz and I have no issues.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: artur.aragao on 14-October-17, 19:11:42
Hi, a lot of people say, that they can run with 4 RAM moduls on 3200MHz and that new Ryzen, which were created after 25th week, are very good for overcloking.
Maybe a lot of our problems are with old Ryzen revision. You can try RMA process, because all old Ryzen have Linux bug and AMD does send new AMD CPU free.

Check forum https://community.amd.com/thread/215773?start=1680&tstart=0

And do RMA with your CPU

Article about AMD replacement: https://www.extremetech.com/computing/254750-amd-replaces-ryzen-cpus-users-affected-rare-linux-bug
Ryzen killscript for test and log you can use like reason for RMA : https://github.com/suaefar/ryzen-test
RMA form for start for RMA process: http://support.amd.com/en-us/contact/email-form
Did you produce this test?
How do I check this in Windows ????
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: hadbooks on 27-October-17, 08:07:14
Just Flashed the latest MSI Bios Update on the AM4 Motherboard B350 Tomahawk Arctic (9-17-17). It repaired the motherboard red light warning for fan speed and I chose A-XMP Profile 2 to receive my full 2666mhz on Corsair Dominator Platinum 16 GB (4x4) DDR4. The voltage increased to 1.37 from 1.9. All over the place there were concerns about the AMD Ryzen and DDR4 memory compatibility. So...its like spend two hundred on DDR4 and wait to IF the damn thing even boots up? All seems to be forgiven. One would wonder what the developers were even thinking. What is more important? Overall I like the multiple cores it behaves as if I actually have a 12 core system instead the Ryzen 1600 6 core. MSI also has something called Live Update 6 that gave my drivers a very needed upate for at least the sound. The audio jacks and software weren't working. recommended download. Vrooom. This system with Ryzen 5 1600 3.4 outclasses my old 6 core 1100T.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: critzakis on 01-November-17, 00:56:54
I have done extensive testing on Bdie,  Ddie 2R. and Hynix Mdie (MFR)  on the X370 gaming plus.

No issues with the Bbie kit running at 3200cl14, no issues with the Ddie **dual rank** at 3200cl16, couldn't run hynix kit at more than 3066.

So my IMC is perfectly capable of running tight 3200 and dual rank 3200. So no, it's not the IMC the issue with the Hynix kits,let's dispel that notion and save the people time and money with RMA'ing perfectly fine (unless you're concerned with segfault errors) CPUs.


Here is my 3200 hynix  (https://i.imgur.com/8TjF1cB.jpg)kit and here are the settings for 3066 reasonably tight:


https://i.imgur.com/SJEUaRa.jpg

Here's my 3200 2R Samsung Ddie (https://i.imgur.com/FiurUHt.jpg) kit and here are the settings for 3200 (can be tighter)

https://i.imgur.com/UhMcXUs.png

1T, geardown enabled, 1.37V, 1.1V Soc, 60 Ohm procODT (update your bios first)


With bdie you won't encounter any problems.

So, anyone encountering an issue just use the aforementioned timings/settings.

Kits tested:

F4-3200C16-16GVKB (Hynix)
F4-3200C14-16GVK (Samsung Bdie)
F4-3400C16-16GVK (Samsung Ddie)


------------------------------

 PS: The hynix kit runs flawlessly on a 8700K at its rated speed, so it's not overly optimistic with its rating.

PPS: The 2R cl16 performs better than 1R cl14 at 3200MHz. But at stock timings, didn't have much time with the bdie kit since it was a loaner.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: mikejb36 on 01-November-17, 04:03:53
 i Did have MSI Gaming AMD Ryzen B350 DDR4 VR Ready HDMI USB 3 ATX Motherboard (B350 PC MATE)
Return window closed on May 27, 2017
$99.99

 Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 DRAM 3200MHz C16 Desktop Memory Kit – White (CMK16GX4M2B3200C16W)
Return window closed on May 27, 2017
$119.99

so i called MSI to see if there was somrthing i can do to get my ram back to 3200mhz i have the new bios Version 7A34vA7 Release Date 2017-09-19 File Size 7.78 MB
and asked if i roll back to factory bios if it would reset ram they said no because you can't roll back to factory bios agesa code 1.0.0.6b trashed my mobo to get it fixed ill have to get a new mobo and not get the bios with
agesa code when i first got this mobo and ram i was at 3200mhz update bios 2400mhz is the highest i can go hops there is a new bios or a bios to roll back to factory bios and start again

i now have 
[font="Amazon Ember", Arial, sans-serif]MSI Gaming AMD Ryzen X370 GAMING PRO and havent updated bios and at 3200mhz ram... same ram i had in the B350 PC mate [/font]
 
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: RemusM on 01-November-17, 06:55:02
No issues with the Bbie kit running at 3200cl14, no issues with the Ddie **dual rank** at 3200cl16, couldn't run hynix kit at more than 3066.

So my IMC is perfectly capable of running tight 3200 and dual rank 3200.

It's about your CPU sample and 2 x 8GB kits only.
For other CPUs and/or memory kits (4 x 8GB or 2 x 16GB) your test results are almost irrelevant.
;-))
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: critzakis on 01-November-17, 13:09:14
How is it irrelevant?

I can't run 3066+ on hynix but can run 3200c14 and 3200c16 2R on various Samsung kits. So if my IMC is not a problem, why can't I run more than 3066? The hynix kit works fine at 3200 on Z370.

Also it's three kits.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: RemusM on 01-November-17, 13:40:02

I can't run 3066+ on hynix but can run 3200c14 and 3200c16 2R on various Samsung kits. So if my IMC is not a problem, why can't I run more than 3066? The hynix kit works fine at 3200 on Z370.

Do you have the same CPU sample and the same PSU on both motherboards?
;D

p.s.
In all the AMD (and Intel) data sheets you'll see 2666 MHz the max DDR4 speed guaranteed for the current CPUs.
Not faster !!!
You don't have to be a guru to understand why.
;-))
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: jhonbellevalenzuela on 03-November-17, 10:40:47
Hi guys, I'm kinda new here and need help for my decision for my RAM upgrade and still new on overclocking.. Here is my current set:

Ryzen 5 1500x
MSI B350 Tomahawk Arctic
Corsair Vengeance LPX 2400 2x4GB - CMK8GX4M2A2400C14

Any higher speed RAM recommendations for the latest BIOS and what brand?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: jhonbellevalenzuela on 03-November-17, 11:44:44
If I just upgrade the size and just add 2 more Dimms. like 4x4GB 2400mhz. Would this still be good and run in 2400mhz using the B350 Tomahawk Arctic board?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 03-November-17, 13:23:13
If I just upgrade the size and just add 2 more Dimms. like 4x4GB 2400mhz. Would this still be good and run in 2400mhz using the B350 Tomahawk Arctic board?

Can't guarantee 2400 MHz, but you might get lucky.

I also generally don't recommend mixing RAM. Even if you buy the same model, there's no guarantee that it would work with the old RAM.

I might be more inclined to just suggest getting a 2x8G kit instead for now, and then after you install the 2x8G kit, try installing the 2x4G kit as well and see if it works.

We've had users who have had issues getting 2 kits of a 2x4G kit to work together, but then they switch to a 4x4G kit or 2x8G and it works fine.

DDR4 is very very finicky, much more so than DDR3 ever was. And it's because of that, that I wouldn't recommend getting another 2x4G kit and hoping for the best.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: jhonbellevalenzuela on 03-November-17, 14:42:03
Can't guarantee 2400 MHz, but you might get lucky.

I also generally don't recommend mixing RAM. Even if you buy the same model, there's no guarantee that it would work with the old RAM.

I might be more inclined to just suggest getting a 2x8G kit instead for now, and then after you install the 2x8G kit, try installing the 2x4G kit as well and see if it works.

We've had users who have had issues getting 2 kits of a 2x4G kit to work together, but then they switch to a 4x4G kit or 2x8G and it works fine.

DDR4 is very very finicky, much more so than DDR3 ever was. And it's because of that, that I wouldn't recommend getting another 2x4G kit and hoping for the best.
Thank you for the information, let's wait for other's opinion. If almost all has the same then I will decide to go for 2x8G and sell my old one.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: jeolson on 03-November-17, 18:30:17
Apologies is this has been answered.

I have a Bazooka 350M Ryzen Motherboard that came pre-installed with 16gb (2 x 8) sticks of 2400 ram. I need my system to have 32 gigs because I do video editing and the current set up isn't performing very well (I max out ram usage easily).  

The current ram is an OEM ADATA brand.  Is it OK to install 2 more sticks of 8 gig ram from a different brand if it's also 2400?  Or is that too risky?

If I have to buy a new set of ram,  am I OK with  2 x 16gb dimms (2400 - 3200) or do I need to use 4 dimms (4 x 8gb)?

Edit: this is what I was just looking at:

CMK32GX4M2A2666C16 (2 x 16 2666) Which is in the supported Memory List for the Bazooka 350M.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 03-November-17, 21:03:58
Apologies is this has been answered.

I have a Bazooka 350M Ryzen Motherboard that came pre-installed with 16gb (2 x 8) sticks of 2400 ram. I need my system to have 32 gigs because I do video editing and the current set up isn't performing very well (I max out ram usage easily).  

The current ram is an OEM ADATA brand.  Is it OK to install 2 more sticks of 8 gig ram from a different brand if it's also 2400?  Or is that too risky?

If I have to buy a new set of ram,  am I OK with  2 x 16gb dimms (2400 - 3200) or do I need to use 4 dimms (4 x 8gb)?

Edit: this is what I was just looking at:

CMK32GX4M2A2666C16 (2 x 16 2666) Which is in the supported Memory List for the Bazooka 350M.

I really wouldn't mix memory.
Do a search here, read a bunch of posts, and you'll find people having issues mixing DDR4 memory on the Ryzen platform all over.
Your best bet would be to just do 2 x 16GB and be done with it.
I wouldn't expect speeds higher than 2400 MHz though, even if the memory supports it. Ryzen isn't well known for handling large amounts of memory and getting high memory speeds.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: videocreatorteamofficial on 03-November-17, 21:21:31
I don't recommend to mix rams by frequency together but buy two more rams at the frequency of the others...
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: jeolson on 03-November-17, 22:59:20
I really wouldn't mix memory.
Do a search here, read a bunch of posts, and you'll find people having issues mixing DDR4 memory on the Ryzen platform all over.
Your best bet would be to just do 2 x 16GB and be done with it.
I wouldn't expect speeds higher than 2400 MHz though, even if the memory supports it. Ryzen isn't well known for handling large amounts of memory and getting high memory speeds.

Thank you for the response. I'll just go with the CMK32GX4M2A2666C16  Corsair 2666. I've been researching for days and I'm falling behind.

I think I've reading too much online and I'm getting caught up in the 3200 recommended clock. But perhaps that's mostly folks going with 16 gigs or lower for gaming. I definitely need more ram than anything.

Cheers
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: gertjan.v.d.meij on 05-November-17, 19:47:37
If I just upgrade the size and just add 2 more Dimms. like 4x4GB 2400mhz. Would this still be good and run in 2400mhz using the B350 Tomahawk Arctic board?



4x4Gb 2400Mhz will run ! no problem !
I have 4 sticks of 8Gb 3200Mhz , but the highest i can go on 4 sticks is 2400Mhz , on just 2 sticks i can get 3200Mhz .
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: gu.munoz on 08-November-17, 12:23:45
Well with 4 'mixed' stickts (both 2666) I can OC to 2933/3200 with my 1500x and b350m mortar.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: miklet on 08-November-17, 17:54:22
gu.munez

Can you tell us the specific brand and part number of the RAM you get 4 sticks to run at 3200MHz?
Be really nice to see what components you have in your system that accomplish the performance you are getting.

thank you
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: jeolson on 09-November-17, 14:35:06
Just thought I'd offer an update.

I purchased and installed 32gb of ram a few days back for my system, which runs a Bazooka 350m and a 1700 CPU.  I "played it safe" and went with CMK32GX4M2A2666C16 (2666) Corsair Vengence LPX since it's on the list.  Really wanted higher speed ram but the 32 gigs is more important over speed for  video editing.

Due to all the issues I fully expected some flaky problems and that is indeed the case; but it's livable for now. Every fresh reboot the ram resets itself to 2400 on my system.  The BIOS shows 2400 at the top of the screen.  So  after a system restart I go into the BIOS I double check to make sure the memory is set to 2667 under advanced settings/OC/Memory section (which it is every time, contradicting the information at the top).  So I have to save and exit even without changes to get the system to reboot and change the memory to 2667.

I'm also currently using Ryzen Master to OC the system. When I originally attempted an OC in the BIOS I was unable to boot into BIOS or Windows so I had to clear the CMOS. Going to try it again sometime down the road when I learn more.

Anyway, I have to run Ryzen Master in Windows, apply my settings in Ryzen Master (3.6gig OC for now) then restart, enter BIOS to save an exit as per above, and boot into windows to get things correct.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: jhonbellevalenzuela on 11-November-17, 16:01:42
Update question for my issue:

I have a Ryzen 5 1500x
and a MSI B350 Tomahawk Arctic.

My current RAM was:
Corsair Vengeance LPX 2400 2x4GB - CMK8GX4M2A2400C14 running XMP profile 2 @ 2400hz
---

Will this RAM upgrade could run at 2667hz using xmp or manual?
CMK16GX4M4A2800C16 is a 2800hz 4x4GB Corsair Vengeance LPX.

or can anyone here recommend a good 16gb ram?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: ashasha3 on 11-November-17, 16:12:42
So I bought and built an MSI Tomahawk B350 with a Ryzen 5 1600 with CORSAIR Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) Desktop Memory for AMD Ryzen Model CMK16GX4M2Z3200C16.  Running XMP profile 2 it runs at 3200MHz with zero problems since about 2 firmwares ago.

Not sure if that helps anyone, but it seems to be a good combination for me.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: mikejb36 on 13-November-17, 05:44:18
my 
[font="Amazon Ember", Arial, sans-serif]Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 DRAM 3200MHz C16  works grt but only getting 3200mhz on x370 mobo b350 was only getting 2933mhz [/font]
Update question for my issue:

I have a Ryzen 5 1500x
and a MSI B350 Tomahawk Arctic.

My current RAM was:
Corsair Vengeance LPX 2400 2x4GB - CMK8GX4M2A2400C14 running XMP profile 2 @ 2400hz
---

Will this RAM upgrade could run at 2667hz using xmp or manual?
CMK16GX4M4A2800C16 is a 2800hz 4x4GB Corsair Vengeance LPX.

or can anyone here recommend a good 16gb ram?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: miklet on 13-November-17, 15:12:11
mikejb36

If I only install two sticks of 8GB each, of Corsair CMU16GX4M2C3200C16B in my MSI X370 Gaming Pro Carbon board using the current release BIOS 1.90 and set the XMP profile automatically to XMP2, I get 3200MHz and it boots every time.
Buy a dual kit, not singles. A dual kit is a better technical performance match.
Do not try 4 sticks of ram, hardly anyone can get 3200 with 4 sticks.

My system is listed below.
I made a mistake, buying two kits of 2, now I only get 2933 with all four.

You have a chance to learn from my mistake
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: gauravsachdeva861 on 19-November-17, 07:21:02
I have an MSI B350m bazooka with ryzen 1600@ 3.8 GHz...[attachthumb=1]
I successfully overclocked my 16GB Kingston hyperx (2133 Mhz) to 2800MHz without any boot issues...[attachthumb=2]
though it only overclocked upto 2666Mhz in older bios, the new one (the one with agesa 1.0.0.6b update) is like a boon to me.
I can clearly see the difference while playing games and video editing..
though I would recommend everyone to use only dual channel RAM setup as single channel ones(like mine) are painfully slow sometimes
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: picandrea on 20-November-17, 01:19:10
Hey guys. Frustrated B350 PC MATE owner here. My RAM does not work.
 
 
  
 BIOS is the newest (from last month with AGESA Code 1.0.0.6b and updated memory compatibility) and the kit (RipjawsV F4-3200C16D-16GVKB) is supposed to be supported (different color in the list, last two letters different).
 
 There's 2 XMP profiles, 3066 and 3200MHz and neither works. PC turns on, turns off, turns on, turns off and so on until I cut the power with the PSU switch so that the BIOS resets itself. Currently running at a measly 2133MHz. :censored:?!
Same ram, but on x370 gaming pro carbon, same problem. Tried kinda anything all i get is a black screen and restart.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: zbussznj on 21-November-17, 19:12:16
Wow. So skimming the first couple of pages here, I'm being led to believe that the compatibility list, which I specifically chose my ram because of months ago, doesn't mean anything, and I was expected to understand this without being told.

After three days of failing to get my ram working at the promised speed, coming here and discovering that has left me a bit speechless. Like I actually have to step away from the computer to deal or I'm going to end up writing something that gets me banned
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 21-November-17, 19:24:42
Wow. So skimming the first couple of pages here, I'm being led to believe that the compatibility list, which I specifically chose my ram because of months ago, doesn't mean anything, and I was expected to understand this without being told.

After three days of failing to get my ram working at the promised speed, coming here and discovering that has left me a bit speechless. Like I actually have to step away from the computer to deal or I'm going to end up writing something that gets me banned

It's the physics of it. Just because the memory is rated for 3200 MHz, doesn't mean the CPU's IMC will work at that speed as well.

As far as compatibility lists....those lists are done with pre-production chips, most likely cherry picked to work great to make the product look great. Intel does it, and I'm sure AMD does the same. 
I've seen many engineering samples that get higher clocks and work much better than the general chips from production. It doesn't surprise me.

All things being said, it does suck. I get it. Everyone was really duped into thinking it had much better memory capabilities, but that just isn't reality.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: voljanin on 24-November-17, 17:17:20
sorry my eng.
Memory should be stuck like in the manual, and not as used to. I still ran the CMK16GX4M2B3200C16R on the x370 gaming plus 
(with the latest BIOS 5.50) at 3200 frequency, not 2933. It's all about slots if black (one of which is closer to the socket)
then maximum 2933 and reboot
if higher and stable 3200 if in red..All the problems are not even in the memory chips, but the fact that people stick memory in the wrong slots (red or black)
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: stevenn9sma on 26-November-17, 06:12:45
After reading the horror stories of this thread, I feel blessed that I was able to get my RAM (G.Skill F4-3200C14-8GTZSK) to run flawlessly from the moment I built my rig in July/August at 3200 MHz with solid timings simply with the XMP2 profile on my X370 Titanium.  When my younger brother built his rig using a different manufacturer's motherboard, I recommended he go with the same RAM, and he had no issues with it there.  My experience has been that it's one of the best RAM kits out there for Ryzen at the moment.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: Ryujin2003 on 28-November-17, 11:03:00
After reading the horror stories of this thread, I feel blessed that I was able to get my RAM (G.Skill F4-3200C14-8GTZSK) to run flawlessly from the moment I built my rig in July/August at 3200 MHz with solid timings simply with the XMP2 profile on my X370 Titanium.  When my younger brother built his rig using a different manufacturer's motherboard, I recommended he go with the same RAM, and he had no issues with it there.  My experience has been that it's one of the best RAM kits out there for Ryzen at the moment.

I'm able to as well on my X370 Carbon, but with Corsair Vengeance. There have been a lot of BIOS updates to help (at least in the X370), though I'm not sure about the B series.

I feel like assuming higher than 2400 should be the goal since that's what Ryzen needs.

However, I did find my higher OC instability was due to vdroop, and had to fix that in the BIOS with whatever the CPU voltage regulator is called. I forget at the moment.

So I really believe everyone should be able to hit 2993 - 3000 range, but other things might be in play as well (such as the above mentioned vdroop).
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: nguyenkimphung1989 on 01-December-17, 04:29:56
Hi everyone,

I'm using combo AMD Ryzen 5 1600 + MSI B350 Tomahawk (BIOS v14). And I have two kit of RAM as below:


I've tried to push my Corsair kit to 3200MHz with XMP and manual setting. But it doesn't work, it will end up with boot loop. Otherwise, I can reach 3200Mhz easily with my Gskill kit and it's running stable with this frequency. Currently, I can only reach 2667Mhz with my Corsair kit and no more.

Here are the settings that I use to set for my Corsair kit:


Please let me know if you have a way to reach 3200Mhz.

Thanks
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: RemusM on 01-December-17, 10:41:10
I'm using combo AMD Ryzen 5 1600 + MSI B350 Tomahawk (BIOS v14). And I have two kit of RAM as below:

Corsair Dominator Platinum 3200 16-18-18-36 1.35V

  • 2133 15-15-15-35 1.2V - PASS
  • 2667 15-15-15-35 1.2V - PASS
  • 2933 16-16-16-36 1.2V - FAIL
  • 2933 16-16-16-36 1.35V - FAIL
  • 3200 16-18-18-36 1.35V - FAIL
  • Enable XMP - Boot loop

https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-5-1600
 
Max System Memory Speed :2667MHz

The Overclocking / Undertiming and Overvolting results are NEVER guaranteed.
;-))
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: nguyenkimphung1989 on 02-December-17, 15:57:13
https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-5-1600
 
Max System Memory Speed :2667MHz

The Overclocking / Undertiming and Overvolting results are NEVER guaranteed.
;-))
Alright! So I think I should stay at 2667MHz. The thing still makes me concern is why I can push my gskill kit up to 3200MHz easily. Weird!
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: RemusM on 02-December-17, 16:17:00
Alright! So I think I should stay at 2667MHz. The thing still makes me concern is why I can push my gskill kit up to 3200MHz easily. Weird!

It depends on the CPU IMC and the chips used for the DDR4 modules. Simply put, 3200 is gambling.
With brand new CPU, 3200 might look stable for some users, but after a while most of them get into stability issues and "abnormal" behaviours.
The best spot (performances / stability) for the current Ryzen CPUs is around 2933 Mhz.
If your CPU is rock stable with that DDR4 speed ... :biggthumbsup:
Otherwise AMD guarantees up to 2666 MHz, so it's better to stick with that speed.
:beerchug:
Title: Is there an official memory compatibility chart for an X399 Gaming Pro Carbon?
Post by: jgaltusa on 09-December-17, 06:52:33
I am about to purchase an X399 Gaming Pro Carbon motherboard to use with a AMD Ryzen Threadripper 1950X. The sales person at Fry's said that they do not have any 4 x 16GB compatible memory in stock. He said there was an official memory compatibility list on the MSI website. I can seem to find it. If such a thing exists an someone please provide a link? Thanks.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: badboy2k on 09-December-17, 07:06:45
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/X399-GAMING-PRO-CARBON-AC#support-cpu

there just click on the memory Tab and away you go!
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: jgaltusa on 09-December-17, 07:16:04
Thanks.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: jgaltusa on 09-December-17, 15:18:05
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/X399-GAMING-PRO-CARBON-AC#support-cpu

there just click on the memory Tab and away you go!


What does rightmost column on the memory compatibility chart mean (https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/X399-GAMING-PRO-CARBON-AC#support-mem)?  (2 4 8 DIMM)

Does this column indicated the maximum number of DIMMS that I can install for that particular model chip?

This chip is available at a local computer store (Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB DDR4-2666 PC4-21300 C16 (http://www.microcenter.com/product/458113/Vengeance_LPX_64GB_4_x_16GB_DDR4-2666_PC4-21300_C16_Quad_Channel_Desktop_Memory_Kit)).
Part Number: CMK64GX4M4A2666C16

I was hoping to purchase 4 of these today and 4 more in the future...but I am hesitant to buy them because that last column seems to indicate that I can only install 4 of them. Can anyone please confirm this?  

Also...this chip is listed on the MSI compatibility chart (https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/X399-GAMING-PRO-CARBON-AC#support-mem) but it says (ver4.31). Where is the version typically listed? The sales person is telling me that he does not see this spec listed anywhere.

Thanks.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: Nichrome on 09-December-17, 21:11:48
Hi

It only tells how many sticks has been tested. If a kit contained 2 sticks, then obviously they couldn't test 4 as that would mean different kits.
Anyway, no motherboard manufacturer is able to test all available RAM kits on the market.

Buying 4 now, and another 4 in the future is RAM mixing, which in case of DDR4, is very risky idea.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: jgaltusa on 09-December-17, 21:38:21
Thanks. I assumed that it was only important for them to be the same memory and in matched pairs or a matched quad. I have not seen them being sold in bundles of 8 x 16GB.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: RemusM on 10-December-17, 11:33:34
I have not seen them being sold in bundles of 8 x 16GB.

8 x 16GB put a terrible stress on the CPU IMC.
2133 MHz is the best you can get in most of the cases.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: WaltC on 15-December-17, 22:53:30
Thanks. I assumed that it was only important for them to be the same memory and in matched pairs or a matched quad. I have not seen them being sold in bundles of 8 x 16GB.
I think you're maybe looking at this the wrong way...;)  You are thinking of filling all the available ram slots as opposed to how much total ram you want.  Decide how much total ram you want, then divide that number by 4--and away you go.  Forget about filling all the slots with something, imo.  Four of them gives you the same quad-channel support you'd get with 8 slots, while providing a much simpler hardware environment that is likely to run better, faster and with less trouble than trying to fill all 8 slots.  It all depends, of course, on what you want to do.  If you intend to run the ram at its guaranteed speed instead of its XMP theoreticals, then you could likely fill all 8 slots with no trouble--mixing and matching 2 sets of 4 DIMMs becomes much less problematical as your MHz demands for the ram drop toward the guaranteed levels.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: crimsonedge885 on 19-December-17, 20:25:15
I'm gonna be straight up here.  I'm pretty pissed off.  And I am totally *not* happy at all with my Ryzen 1600x + MSI X370 gaming pro carbon, and it's most likely the last time I ever buy anything MSI or an AMD processor ever again.  A lot of this is AMD's fault, sure but when you put ram on your QVL that's rated for certain speeds, the customer needs to trust that.  That's literally the only thing we got to go on.

I'm quite literally considering RMAing this CPU + Motherboard + ram in one go.  And keep RMAing motherboards, processors and ram until I eventually hit the silicon lottery and get some combination of parts that runs at specified speeds.  Some of you need to understand that if I build a brand new gaming PC, and one part isn't running at specified speeds, then the entire rig is junk.  Might as well haul it off to the dump, or donate it to the Salvation Army.  Hyperbole, sure, but I'm 50% the way there.  My ram will literally not run any higher than 2667mhz CL 14.  That's too slow.  One notch lower on the CL or one notch higher on the frequency = won't boot.  I've spent the past week doing searches, looking for any and all guides on OCing ram, just to see if there was one setting I was missing or overlooking, nope.  Will not run any higher than 2667mhz, period.   And that's not good enough. 

If AMD doesn't fix these ram compatibility issues with updates sometime next year, and they just ignore the problem and move on, I'm 100% guaranteed to never buy anything AMD ever again.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: crimsonedge885 on 19-December-17, 23:38:33
*Updade* I just spoke with someone at newegg, and they agreed to offer me a full refund on the ram, and I'm curious if there are any MSI memory experts here who can recommend me a DDR4 3200mhz kit that's guaranteed to work with the XMP profile on an MSI X370 gaming pro carbon motherboard w/Ryzen 5 1600x?  Because unfortunately the next step might be refunding this MSI motherboard and going with Gigabyte or Asus.  The customer service rep assured me that if I have *any* issues with any more components not working to my satisfaction that they'd issue a full refund.  Considering how much money I've spent with them over the years, and that's a point I made abundantly clear when I requested a refund.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: Nichrome on 19-December-17, 23:54:19
There isn't a single RAM kit that will *guarantee* your desired speeds. AMD made it clear, that max they can guarantee is 2667MHz.

As MANY times mentioned here and in other topics, it is down to the integrated memory controller (IMC) in the CPU. So even though motherboard supports 4000MHz+, and you can buy 4000MHz RAM, it doesn't mean your CPU will be able to handle such speeds.

To be any close to 3000/3200MHz on AM4 chipset, your best bet would be GSkill FlareX
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: crimsonedge885 on 20-December-17, 01:47:10
There isn't a single RAM kit that will *guarantee* your desired speeds. AMD made it clear, that max they can guarantee is 2667MHz.

As MANY times mentioned here and in other topics, it is down to the integrated memory controller (IMC) in the CPU. So even though motherboard supports 4000MHz+, and you can buy 4000MHz RAM, it doesn't mean your CPU will be able to handle such speeds.

To be any close to 3000/3200MHz on AM4 chipset, your best bet would be GSkill FlareX
The the performance of the IMC in the CPU is random?  Similar to how some CPUs are better overclockers than others?  Should I just RMA Ryzen 5 1600xs until I get one with an IMC that'll run ram at its specified frequency?  All I gotta do is tell newegg that the memory controller in the CPU is bad, and they'll send me another chip.  Ryzen runs considerably better on faster ram.  I'm losing out on a bit of performance by not running 3200mhz.  I quite literally need every ounce I can squeeze out of Ryzen to push a 1080ti.  As long as I can get 3.9-4.0ghz OC + 3200mhz ram, I should be fine though.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 20-December-17, 02:55:58
I'm gonna be straight up here.  I'm pretty pissed off.  And I am totally *not* happy at all with my Ryzen 1600x + MSI X370 gaming pro carbon, and it's most likely the last time I ever buy anything MSI or an AMD processor ever again.  A lot of this is AMD's fault, sure but when you put ram on your QVL that's rated for certain speeds, the customer needs to trust that.  That's literally the only thing we got to go on.

I'm quite literally considering RMAing this CPU + Motherboard + ram in one go.  And keep RMAing motherboards, processors and ram until I eventually hit the silicon lottery and get some combination of parts that runs at specified speeds.  Some of you need to understand that if I build a brand new gaming PC, and one part isn't running at specified speeds, then the entire rig is junk.  Might as well haul it off to the dump, or donate it to the Salvation Army.  Hyperbole, sure, but I'm 50% the way there.  My ram will literally not run any higher than 2667mhz CL 14.  That's too slow.  One notch lower on the CL or one notch higher on the frequency = won't boot.  I've spent the past week doing searches, looking for any and all guides on OCing ram, just to see if there was one setting I was missing or overlooking, nope.  Will not run any higher than 2667mhz, period.   And that's not good enough.  

If AMD doesn't fix these ram compatibility issues with updates sometime next year, and they just ignore the problem and move on, I'm 100% guaranteed to never buy anything AMD ever again.

What you need to understand, is that you paid for a CPU that will run memory at 2667 MHz guaranteed.

If you want it to run faster  guaranteed, then buy a super expensive one that is guaranteed to run at those speeds. Some resellers will actually go through and bin the CPU's to make sure they reach certain specifications. That costs money. There's fallout expected from it. Why do you think AMD didn't guarantee 3200 MHz instead of 2667 MHz? 

I didn't complain or get mad at Intel when my old 3770K couldn't go past 3.9 GHz reliably. Or couldn't push memory much past 2000 MHz. It's just how things work. 

If you don't win the lottery, do you go back to the corner store and keep claiming your ticket was faulty and that they should replace it until you win?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: liviut2003 on 20-December-17, 13:31:14
I have the exact same configuration as you meaning x370 pro carbon v1.9 last bios and ryzen 5 1600x and i have corsair vengeance 8 gb 2 sticks 4gb each at 3000 mhz cl15-17-17-17-35.
It's working just fine at 16-17-17-35 and 2933 mhz, occasionaly some cold boots triple beep, no problem there just stops and starts again and it's working so you either got the most lewl imc ever on your cpu or i dont know but considering i can do 2933 with corsair, they have micron die not samsung, i would say the cpu is the faulty one.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: WaltC on 20-December-17, 21:46:45
I'm gonna be straight up here.  I'm pretty pissed off.  And I am totally *not* happy at all with my Ryzen 1600x + MSI X370 gaming pro carbon, and it's most likely the last time I ever buy anything MSI or an AMD processor ever again.  A lot of this is AMD's fault, sure but when you put ram on your QVL that's rated for certain speeds, the customer needs to trust that.  That's literally the only thing we got to go on.

I'm quite literally considering RMAing this CPU + Motherboard + ram in one go.  And keep RMAing motherboards, processors and ram until I eventually hit the silicon lottery and get some combination of parts that runs at specified speeds.  Some of you need to understand that if I build a brand new gaming PC, and one part isn't running at specified speeds, then the entire rig is junk.  Might as well haul it off to the dump, or donate it to the Salvation Army.  Hyperbole, sure, but I'm 50% the way there.  My ram will literally not run any higher than 2667mhz CL 14.  That's too slow.  One notch lower on the CL or one notch higher on the frequency = won't boot.  I've spent the past week doing searches, looking for any and all guides on OCing ram, just to see if there was one setting I was missing or overlooking, nope.  Will not run any higher than 2667mhz, period.   And that's not good enough.  

If AMD doesn't fix these ram compatibility issues with updates sometime next year, and they just ignore the problem and move on, I'm 100% guaranteed to never buy anything AMD ever again.
In that case I'd recommend you give up personal computing completely then, because *nobody*--not Intel, not AMD, not ram manufacturers "guarantee" overclocked speeds.  Nobody does.  Not for ram--not for cpus.  So pick up a console--you'd be happier, I think...;)  1600Mhz on the ram is an *overclock*, period. It's not guaranteed--doesn't matter who makes the ram, it's not.   The guaranteed speeds are much, much lower for the ram; and the only guaranteed speed for any cpu--regardless of who makes it--is the *stock* speed.  Period.  Try and digest that. The misunderstanding is yours--not anyone else's--not AMD's nor MSI's--it's you who has misunderstood.  Learn the difference between "overclocked" and "stock" if you think personal computing is something you want to stick with.

Every heard of JDEC?  SPD ratings?  XMP (A-XMP with MSI) extreme overclocking profiles?  Suggest you begin by boning up on those topics.  It's easy to understand--it's not rocket science or quantum mechanics...;)
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: WaltC on 20-December-17, 21:59:58
I have the exact same configuration as you meaning x370 pro carbon v1.9 last bios and ryzen 5 1600x and i have corsair vengeance 8 gb 2 sticks 4gb each at 3000 mhz cl15-17-17-17-35.
It's working just fine at 16-17-17-35 and 2933 mhz, occasionaly some cold boots triple beep, no problem there just stops and starts again and it's working so you either got the most lewl imc ever on your cpu or i dont know but considering i can do 2933 with corsair, they have micron die not samsung, i would say the cpu is the faulty one.
Know what you mean...I have the X370 Pro Carbon AC, latest bios 2.5, and an R5 1600 and on stock auto voltage I do 3.7 GHz @ 1.256 V max; and my ram (see sig) does 3033MHz every time without fail @ CL16 15 15 15 36 1T on stock voltage, Gear down, ram voltage Auto @ 1.355V.  I'm very happy even though I am 66MHz shy of being at 3200 on the ram (1533MHz vs. 1599Mhz)...;)  Most of these kinds of configuration problems are user error, but rarely it is true you might pick up an occasional faulty component--but it's very rare in my experience.  Without a doubt however the odds of picking up 3 or more "defective" components at once, if purchased new from a reputable source, are effectively nil.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: crimsonedge885 on 22-December-17, 17:21:26
What you need to understand, is that you paid for a CPU that will run memory at 2667 MHz guaranteed.

If you want it to run faster guaranteed, then buy a super expensive one that is guaranteed to run at those speeds. Some resellers will actually go through and bin the CPU's to make sure they reach certain specifications. That costs money. There's fallout expected from it. Why do you think AMD didn't guarantee 3200 MHz instead of 2667 MHz?

I didn't complain or get mad at Intel when my old 3770K couldn't go past 3.9 GHz reliably. Or couldn't push memory much past 2000 MHz. It's just how things work.

If you don't win the lottery, do you go back to the corner store and keep claiming your ticket was faulty and that they should replace it until you win?
I never paid for a CPU that is only 2667mhz guaranteed.  I agreed to no such limitations.

Anyway, your point is completely moot because newegg has agreed to not only refund my memory, but replace my 1600x processor as well.  If Gskill Flare X 3200mhz CL 14 doesn't boot and run at those speeds (perfectly stable), then I'm going to RMA the CPU next, guaranteed.  Or possibly the motherboard as well.  So yes, I can and will keep RMAing processors until I get one that can run ram at a proper speed.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: RemusM on 22-December-17, 17:51:19
So yes, I can and will keep RMAing processors until I get one that can run ram at a proper speed.

You should get in contact with AMD and see if they're looking for betatesters.
Never knows ...
:dwarf:
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: RemusM on 22-December-17, 18:23:04
Here are some facts for all the teenagers and "enthusiasts" around here:

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B350-TOMAHAWK/Specification
Supports DDR4 1866/ 2133/ 2400/ 2667(OC)/ 2933(OC)/ 3200(OC)+ Mhz *
Obviously, the overclocking profiles are NOT guaranteed.

https://www.gskill.com/en/product/f4-3200c14d-16gfx#tabs-spec
Rated XMP frequency & stability depends on MB & CPU capability.
So 2400MHz is guaranteed, but 3200MHz is not.

https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-7-1800x
Max System Memory Speed : 2667MHz
So 2667MHz is guaranteed, but 3200MHz is not.

Subject closed (from my point of view).
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 22-December-17, 22:51:04
I never paid for a CPU that is only 2667mhz guaranteed.  I agreed to no such limitations.

Anyway, your point is completely moot because newegg has agreed to not only refund my memory, but replace my 1600x processor as well.  If Gskill Flare X 3200mhz CL 14 doesn't boot and run at those speeds (perfectly stable), then I'm going to RMA the CPU next, guaranteed.  Or possibly the motherboard as well.  So yes, I can and will keep RMAing processors until I get one that can run ram at a proper speed.

You don't need to agree to it. You AGREED to it by just buying the chip. That's the specs on the chip. Whether you want to deny it or not, you aren't entitled to getting 3200 MHz. No one is. 

Let me guess, you're the kinda guy that goes to buy a little Ford Fiesta, then returns it because it doesn't do 250 M/h down the highway, even though it's pretty well known it can't?

Sorry son, but you can keep RMA'ing it. Newegg will very quickly blacklist you once it finds out about it and tests the CPU and find it working just fine. Good luck.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: an1008480224 on 30-December-17, 18:26:24
Hello, i buy memory DDR4 2x8GB/3200 Team T-Force Vulcan Gray (TLGD416G3200HC16CDC01) but i can't start it on frequenzy more then 2800.  My motherboard - msi b350 pc mate.  XMP dont work.  I try change procODT, but it have no result, i can't start even at 2666.  I try use Ryzen calc, and use his settings, but it not help.   Maybe you can help me?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: j.josepheugene on 05-January-18, 07:31:16
same boat here. I bought a Ryzen 1700 , MSI x370 gaming plus, and literraly the best DDR4 kit available (TridentZ 3200CL14 , samsung B-Die)
and yet it won't boot past 2800

My guess is that MSI boards lacks the "DDR4 voltage boot" that is available on ASUS boards.
so even if you set 1.35v DDR voltage in bios, at boot it's set to auto (1.2v) then it bumps to 1.35V, after booting. But if it can't boot, it will never reach 1.35v

I got the segfault bug when compiling on linux with my first Ryzen 1700. RMA'd it. the new one comming directly from AMD show same behavior : at 2900 it won't boot.

so yeah i'm wondering if I try to resell this mobo to someone would find 2666/2800 okay , and buy an asus
OR sell everything and wait for the next ryzen+ and x400 chipset this spring. samsung announced better ram chips too

So I expect 3200 to be much easier to reach for the next stepping, maybe at 4.3 Ghz or so
since i have a 4790k i am not really urged to upgrade, it was more like an impulsive buy since i am an amd fan
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: liviut2003 on 05-January-18, 10:10:57
same boat here. I bought a Ryzen 1700 , MSI x370 gaming plus, and literraly the best DDR4 kit available (TridentZ 3200CL14 , samsung B-Die)
and yet it won't boot past 2800

My guess is that MSI boards lacks the "DDR4 voltage boot" that is available on ASUS boards.
so even if you set 1.35v DDR voltage in bios, at boot it's set to auto (1.2v) then it bumps to 1.35V, after booting. But if it can't boot, it will never reach 1.35v

I got the segfault bug when compiling on linux with my first Ryzen 1700. RMA'd it. the new one comming directly from AMD show same behavior : at 2900 it won't boot.

so yeah i'm wondering if I try to resell this mobo to someone would find 2666/2800 okay , and buy an asus
OR sell everything and wait for the next ryzen+ and x400 chipset this spring. samsung announced better ram chips too

So I expect 3200 to be much easier to reach for the next stepping, maybe at 4.3 Ghz or so
since i have a 4790k i am not really urged to upgrade, it was more like an impulsive buy since i am an amd fan


I dont know how you cant use the gskill at 3000mhz, considering i have the corsair vengeance black with micron dies and it works like a charm at 2933 mhz, occasionally some cold boot issues but after that works like a charm, maybe you need to check your timings, i dont know mine works best with 16-18-18-36 or 16-17-17-35, if i go lower they wont work, 1.36v, and 1.135 on soc voltage. X370 pro carbon tho the motherboard last bios 1.9.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: werner.punz on 07-January-18, 22:00:36
same boat here. I bought a Ryzen 1700 , MSI x370 gaming plus, and literraly the best DDR4 kit available (TridentZ 3200CL14 , samsung B-Die)
and yet it won't boot past 2800

My guess is that MSI boards lacks the "DDR4 voltage boot" that is available on ASUS boards.
so even if you set 1.35v DDR voltage in bios, at boot it's set to auto (1.2v) then it bumps to 1.35V, after booting. But if it can't boot, it will never reach 1.35v

I got the segfault bug when compiling on linux with my first Ryzen 1700. RMA'd it. the new one comming directly from AMD show same behavior : at 2900 it won't boot.

so yeah i'm wondering if I try to resell this mobo to someone would find 2666/2800 okay , and buy an asus
OR sell everything and wait for the next ryzen+ and x400 chipset this spring. samsung announced better ram chips too

So I expect 3200 to be much easier to reach for the next stepping, maybe at 4.3 Ghz or so
since i have a 4790k i am not really urged to upgrade, it was more like an impulsive buy since i am an amd fan
Actually I use G.Skill Flare X with the same board and with only two slots filled I can run 3200 MHz perfectly fine (standard XMP-2 3200/14/14/14/34 settings). With 4 slots however I only be able to reach 2933.
I would rather sell the ram and try a different brand, you simply lost the silicone lottery on the ram here.
Btw minor sidequestion which I could not find any answer two. Why is the maximum frequency with all four slots lower than with 2? Memory controller issue in the processor?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: ricky.x32 on 08-January-18, 04:54:22
Hey guys, I need a little advice...

Last year I built three gaming rigs for my brothers and I, two with AMD's Ryzen 7 1700 on MSI's B350 Gaming Pro Carbon, and one with Intel's i7 6700K on a Gigabyte's Z170 Gaming 3.

Honestly, overclocking the i7 6700K to 4.6GHz on air took mere seconds, whereas I instantly ran into trouble with the Ryzen rigs, and I just quit because they were sufficiently fast out of the box.

The problem I had of course was getting the RAM to work at or near their XMP profiles, and even when I thought I had it right it would just become an issue once again after I would overclock the CPU and stress test the system, so I quit.

Should I just quit on ever being able to run my 3200MHz RAM on my Ryzen setups? Each one has a 16GB Vengeance LPX DDR4 3200MHz Memory Kit (2x8GB). The i7 6700K has a 16GB Ballistix Tactical DDR4 2666MHz Memory Kit (2x8GB). and I have a 16GB Vengeance LPX DDR4 2666MHz Memory Kit (2x8GB) lying aound. Should I just use the 2666MHz RAM for Ryzen and overclock the CPU? Yes, I've flashed the newest BIOS and nothing has changed...
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: Aurora_aun on 08-January-18, 05:36:31
Hi. First. I read all the pages. I want to buy a pc, and the store gave me this build

MSI x370 gaming plus
ryzen 5 1600
ram ddr4 lpx corsair vengeance 3000 mhz 2x8 16 gb (CMK16GX4M2B3000C15)
ASUS ROG STRIX GTX 1070 GAMING 8GB DDR5
SSD 256GB INTEL SATA 3 2.5'
HDD 2TB TOSHIBA SATA3 3.5'
SENTEY MBP650-HS
SENTEY K20
WIFI TP-LINK 2 ANTENAS 300MBPS


The ram is not in the QVL list, but I read that some people in this thread had/have rams that are not in the qvl list and they didn't have any problem. Anybody have MSI x370 with this ram? What are the problems that I can have? What should i say to the store? Is there any program that they could run to prove the stability or the frequency of the ram? What are the problems that I can have? There was any update in the bios and right now is all right? In what mhz is working this mother with this ram? 2667? 2993?

I live in Argentina so I don't have a lot of options in ram, I read that 3200 mhz is working well but it's very expensive to get that ram here, and the store don't have it.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 08-January-18, 11:33:53
Hey guys, I need a little advice...

Last year I built three gaming rigs for my brothers and I, two with AMD's Ryzen 7 1700 on MSI's B350 Gaming Pro Carbon, and one with Intel's i7 6700K on a Gigabyte's Z170 Gaming 3.

Honestly, overclocking the i7 6700K to 4.6GHz on air took mere seconds, whereas I instantly ran into trouble with the Ryzen rigs, and I just quit because they were sufficiently fast out of the box.

The problem I had of course was getting the RAM to work at or near their XMP profiles, and even when I thought I had it right it would just become an issue once again after I would overclock the CPU and stress test the system, so I quit.

Should I just quit on ever being able to run my 3200MHz RAM on my Ryzen setups? Each one has a 16GB Vengeance LPX DDR4 3200MHz Memory Kit (2x8GB). The i7 6700K has a 16GB Ballistix Tactical DDR4 2666MHz Memory Kit (2x8GB). and I have a 16GB Vengeance LPX DDR4 2666MHz Memory Kit (2x8GB) lying aound. Should I just use the 2666MHz RAM for Ryzen and overclock the CPU? Yes, I've flashed the newest BIOS and nothing has changed...

To be perfectly honest, I would get as high as you can (even if it's only 2933 MHz) using the pre-defined settings in the BIOS. You might get higher if you spend quite a bit of time dialing in the memory perfectly, but I don't think it's worth the time it takes to do it.
Even at 2667 MHz, you're not losing THAT much performance (maybe 5% in some situations) overall.

As we've stated many times, this is AMD's first foray into DDR4 with their CPU's. The best hope is that with the next generation it's much better, much like it ended up being with Intel and their X99 platform and subsequent CPU's that used that platform (and the subsequent Z170 and Z270 platforms, etc....).
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 08-January-18, 11:36:26
Hi. First. I read all the pages. I want to buy a pc, and the store gave me this build

MSI x370 gaming plus
ryzen 5 1600
ram ddr4 lpx corsair vengeance 3000 mhz 2x8 16 gb (CMK16GX4M2B3000C15)
ASUS ROG STRIX GTX 1070 GAMING 8GB DDR5
SSD 256GB INTEL SATA 3 2.5'
HDD 2TB TOSHIBA SATA3 3.5'
SENTEY MBP650-HS
SENTEY K20
WIFI TP-LINK 2 ANTENAS 300MBPS


The ram is not in the QVL list, but I read that some people in this thread had/have rams that are not in the qvl list and they didn't have any problem. Anybody have MSI x370 with this ram? What are the problems that I can have? What should i say to the store? Is there any program that they could run to prove the stability or the frequency of the ram? What are the problems that I can have? There was any update in the bios and right now is all right? In what mhz is working this mother with this ram? 2667? 2993?

I live in Argentina so I don't have a lot of options in ram, I read that 3200 mhz is working well but it's very expensive to get that ram here, and the store don't have it.

3200 MHz can work well, depending on the memory and the CPU.
Some can hit it easily because they have a great CPU IMC. Others have issues and can only get 2667 MHz. 

Truth be told, expect to get 2667 MHz. Be happy if you can get more. 

As far as working with specific memory, again, in many cases it's not the memory limiting the speed, but the CPU and it's integrated IMC.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: domsacco on 24-January-18, 23:59:05
Hi guys, just ordered an MSI x370 Gaming Plus board with a Ryzen 7 1700X to upgrade my PC. 

Any fast recommendations for decent RAM for this? I'm looking for two 16GB sticks for now. I was going to get this one but it's not listed as compatible Ryzen RAM on the MSI website: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B072FLGN4V/_encoding=UTF8?coliid=I2BGP1OZLXX8WW&colid=1SUQL9RQUJK2K&psc=1 

Any help would be greatly appreciated, I am not very technical and I'm finding it hard to find what I need trawling back through old posts in this thread.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 25-January-18, 13:47:09
Will it work? Probably.
Will you get 3200 MHz? Possibly, but I wouldn't expect to.


That's basically where I'm at with things.
Assume you'll get 2667 MHz. 
If you're lucky, you'll get 2933 MHz.
If you're really lucky, you'll get 3200 MHz without any issues.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: RemusM on 25-January-18, 13:48:08
Hi guys, just ordered an MSI x370 Gaming Plus board with a Ryzen 7 1700X to upgrade my PC.

Any fast recommendations for decent RAM for this? I'm looking for two 16GB sticks for now.

Very good results with the Ryzen CPUs:
2 x 16GB DDR4-2400
https://www.gskill.com/en/product/f4-2400c16d-32gfx
2 x 16GB DDR4-2933
https://www.gskill.com/en/product/f4-2933c16d-32gfx
All the 2 x 16GB Gskill options (2133 ... 2933):
https://www.gskill.com/en/finder?cat=31&prop_2=32GB+%2816GBx2%29&prop_6=0&prop_3=0&prop_4=0&prop_1=0&series=2954
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: domsacco on 25-January-18, 23:15:48
Thanks for the advice! I may go for the G Skill RAM and look into it further.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: Nichrome on 26-January-18, 09:06:32
To be honest with you guys, this is the first time I could recommend GSkill myself.
They are known to not work very well with MSI Intel boards (all across most platforms). But on AM4 they work like a charm. I do not know where the magic happened, but seems like GSKill RAM is the most successful in terms of achieving higher frequencies on AM4 boards.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: RemusM on 26-January-18, 09:26:59
To be honest with you guys, this is the first time I could recommend GSkill myself.
They are known to not work very well with MSI Intel boards (all across most platforms). But on AM4 they work like a charm.

:biggthumbsup:

I always recommend Corsair memory for the Intel CPUs.
But for AMD Ryzen ... :bonk:
:lol_anim:
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: domsacco on 28-January-18, 23:45:51
Guys thanks again for the suggestion, however the GSKILL F4-2933C16D-32GFX is not listed on my motherboard's compatibility page: https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/X370-GAMING-PLUS.html#support-mem-12

Any idea what's going on or if that compatibility list isn't up to date? I seem to keep hitting a brick wall with this compatibility list.

Thanks.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 29-January-18, 03:20:51
Guys thanks again for the suggestion, however the GSKILL F4-2933C16D-32GFX is not listed on my motherboard's compatibility page: https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/X370-GAMING-PLUS.html#support-mem-12

Any idea what's going on or if that compatibility list isn't up to date? I seem to keep hitting a brick wall with this compatibility list.

Thanks.

MSI test a motherboard with whatever memory  they have on hand, at the time.
If the memory isn't on hand, they don't test it. 
That doesn't mean the memory WON'T work, it just means they haven't tested it.
Generally, any memory SHOULD work just fine....but your mileage may vary. 
Personally, I'd stick to any of the known name brands (G.Skill, Corsair, Crucial, Kingston, Micron, etc....)

IE will the G.Skill memory you listed work? Most likely.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: Aurora_aun on 29-January-18, 22:28:12
3200 MHz can work well, depending on the memory and the CPU.
Some can hit it easily because they have a great CPU IMC. Others have issues and can only get 2667 MHz.

Truth be told, expect to get 2667 MHz. Be happy if you can get more.

As far as working with specific memory, again, in many cases it's not the memory limiting the speed, but the CPU and it's integrated IMC.
 I have the ram LPX corsair vengeance 16 gb 2x8 3000 mhz with the msi x370 gaming plus, the store OC to 2933 and I'm not haven any issues. I posting this here so others can have this reference here. I hope MSI update the QVL list someday.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: domsacco on 31-January-18, 22:57:37
Thanks very much guys. I managed to speak to someone I know who happens to have this RAM and the same board as me, and he said it works fine too, so I'm going to go for it.

Cheers!
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: federica.porcheddu89 on 01-February-18, 01:35:09
Hi guys and gals (if any, I'm a gal).
I'll avoid contributing to flood the forum about memory issues and write here instead, hopefully someone will clear one or two doubts for me. I didn't read whole thread, but I fast read many posts in it, so now I have an idea of which problems afflict ryzen cpus when it comes to memory support, and which memories would have been the best on it...
However I wasn't around here before purchasing my hardware, so anything else I felt it on my skin right now that I'm stuck with Corsair memories.

First things first, my config:
MSI B350M Bazooka (both Bios and chipset versions are the ones before last, from this summer)
Ryzen 3 1200
CMK8GX4M1A2400C14 (Corsair Vengeance LPX - 2400 mhz - 1x8gb - CAS latency 14 - single rank)
Ram is running (at the moment) in XMP profile 2 (1, 14, 16, 16, 31, 56, 1199.7 NB mhz, 1.184/1.2v)
AMD Sapphire Radeon HD 6950 1 gb GDDR5
PSU Antec Basiq 550W Modular

Before you chop my head down about how the computer is configured and running right now, I've never gone DEEP in details when it comes to ram prior to 1 week ago, when I got myself a second ram module to go dual channel, and I started experiencing freezes, video crash, cpu security blocks.
The module I'm currently using has always been working fine (1 month and half that I own it) in Auto (which turned out to be 14,16,16,31,50 - 1066 NB mhz), even when system was heavily stressed and had to slow down, and it still does, it didn't crash even once so far (I'm using 100% of resources on purpose).
The new module, even used alone, will give lots of problems, even working at 15,15,15,36; the situation is slightly better if I run it at native timings (14,16,16,31 indeed) but it will still randomly crash programs every X hours.
These days I ran a big multitude of tests, including 16h of memtest86+ and Intel Burn Test, none of these found a single error in the ram, but most ram intensive games will continue crashing. 
At this point I'm suspecting it's flawed.... but still I wanted to know your opinion about it, and to ask you a few questions to complete my understandings about ram.

1) My motherboard insists to run this ram at auto voltages and I didn't force a fixed one; most of the time voltage will be set at 1.184, increasing to 1.2 occasionally. Does this harm the memory? Is it dangerous to modify this value? Is it better to let it be auto, or it's actually better to put it 1.2v and leave it that way? What genre of problems would I see if a ram had voltage problems?

2) How is this memory compatibility so far? Am I just lucky with my first module or it does work to some extent? Does anyone else use it, in dual channel too? If so, does anyone know for sure how timings should be set (internals too)?

3) which problems do XMP profiles usually have? I seem to run them fine on this module, but I'm not certain that the ram agrees and is actually running to its best... I'm testing things a bit to see how far these sticks can go.

Ok, it is 2:40 am, I can't remember anything else for the moment... I thank anyone that will answer me in advance.
If I missed to tell some infos, feel free to ask.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 01-February-18, 11:02:19
1) My motherboard insists to run this ram at auto voltages and I didn't force a fixed one; most of the time voltage will be set at 1.184, increasing to 1.2 occasionally. Does this harm the memory? Is it dangerous to modify this value? Is it better to let it be auto, or it's actually better to put it 1.2v and leave it that way? What genre of problems would I see if a ram had voltage problems?

2) How is this memory compatibility so far? Am I just lucky with my first module or it does work to some extent? Does anyone else use it, in dual channel too? If so, does anyone know for sure how timings should be set (internals too)?

3) which problems do XMP profiles usually have? I seem to run them fine on this module, but I'm not certain that the ram agrees and is actually running to its best... I'm testing things a bit to see how far these sticks can go.

Ok, it is 2:40 am, I can't remember anything else for the moment... I thank anyone that will answer me in advance.
If I missed to tell some infos, feel free to ask.

1. It's fine. RAM (no matter what it is) at this point generally handles up to about 1.5V. I honestly recommend not going any higher than 1.45V, but that's just me. Most memory is made to run at 1.35V. As far as problems, you could have issues like you're seeing. The best way to find out, is set it to 1.4V and try the games and such. 

2. Memory compatibility is largely based on the type of memory used. However, we really do not recommend mixing modules.

3. It really depends. Generally, XMP has worked OK. But it's definitely not perfect.

What I might suggest is taking the NB/SoC voltage up to 1.1V, maybe 1.2V. Both of those should still be OK. These can help deal with issues like you 're seeing.

I would also probably suggest looking at the AM4 overclocking guide, specifically the section on memory. See : https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=286610.0 (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=286610.0)
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: federica.porcheddu89 on 01-February-18, 13:54:37
1. It's fine. RAM (no matter what it is) at this point generally handles up to about 1.5V. I honestly recommend not going any higher than 1.45V, but that's just me. Most memory is made to run at 1.35V. As far as problems, you could have issues like you're seeing. The best way to find out, is set it to 1.4V and try the games and such.

2. Memory compatibility is largely based on the type of memory used. However, we really do not recommend mixing modules.

3. It really depends. Generally, XMP has worked OK. But it's definitely not perfect.

What I might suggest is taking the NB/SoC voltage up to 1.1V, maybe 1.2V. Both of those should still be OK. These can help deal with issues like you 're seeing.

I would also probably suggest looking at the AM4 overclocking guide, specifically the section on memory. See : https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=286610.0 (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=286610.0)

Hello, thanks for the answer.

1. From what you say I presume low profile memory can run also on high profile voltages, am I right? What concerns me mostly is that native voltage for this ram is 1.2, but mobo set in auto uses it at 1.184v 95% of the time... I was always kinda afraid touching voltages, but I wondered if the ones used by motherboeard on default could harm memory/memory performance more than actually setting it to a fixed voltage....

2. I didn't mix modules, they're the same ram both of them, but I couldn't afford purchasing a 8x2 kit when I built this machine, so I obtained a second module a while later. The older module works perfectly (tested yesterday night again too, no crashes of any sort, no unstability until resources were ultimately off), the newer module works really bad no matter what (but as I said they're identical). I was wondering more about compatibility precisely between this ram model and cpu, both in single and dual channel (because this specific module is not listed in the MSI website, so I hoped someone that tried it could share its knowledge about it), never meant to try a dual channel with different modules...

Purchasing these new components was quite difficult for me; in my country you can't really choose as you please, memory selection (as well as motherboards selection and prices) is really poor, so I had to pick a random one in the end, basing on opinions around... the only memory from this MB's compatibility list available in our shops was a crucial, but it wasn't available where I purchased, so I had to pick this Corsair... There were also some Gskills models, but none of them was also listed in that list.

3. So I suppose mine is working ok too. Glad to hear that. :)

I forgot to specify it yesterday, at that point modifying post was not working so I let it go...
I didn't oc the ram, I didn't oc the cpu.

Considering that my older module has no problems to run, do you still advice modifying voltages of NB? 
I'm going to bring the newer module back to the shop and ask to try another, so we'll see if my issues were related to compatibility or the module was actually misbehaving.
I'll also take a look to the thread you suggested, my concern is stability tho, I don't plan overclocking the memory (specially not on a low end machine like this, I should have to overclock the whole system at that point, and I doubt my psu would be enough).
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: RemusM on 01-February-18, 14:18:43
1. From what you say I presume low profile memory can run also on high profile voltages, am I right? What concerns me mostly is that native voltage for this ram is 1.2, but mobo set in auto uses it at 1.184v 95% of the time... I was always kinda afraid touching voltages, but I wondered if the ones used by motherboeard on default could harm memory/memory performance more than actually setting it to a fixed voltage....

Less than 1.2V leads to stability issues.
For CMK8GX4M1A2400C14 you can set the voltage around 1.25V
From 1.2V to 1.35V you are 100% safe.
:beerchug:
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: federica.porcheddu89 on 01-February-18, 18:42:39
Less than 1.2V leads to stability issues.
For CMK8GX4M1A2400C14 you can set the voltage around 1.25V
From 1.2V to 1.35V you are 100% safe.
:beerchug:

Hi, thanks! :)

May I ask you a couple more things?

Is it necessary to modify NB voltage too when modifying ram voltage? Or they're different things and can be modified separately?

Also, what's the button to "restore default" in MSI motherboards? Or how do you set something back to "Auto", if you mistake?

Is there a reason in particular for which MB would set an automatic voltage of 1.184 even tho ram is communicating 1.2v as native voltage? (mobo mistake, psu problems etc etc) Just curious about it. :)
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: RemusM on 01-February-18, 18:50:49
1) Is it necessary to modify NB voltage too when modifying ram voltage? Or they're different things and can be modified separately?

2) Also, what's the button to "restore default" in MSI motherboards? Or how do you set something back to "Auto", if you mistake?

3) Is there a reason in particular for which MB would set an automatic voltage of 1.184 even tho ram is communicating 1.2v as native voltage? (mobo mistake, psu problems etc etc)

1) not in this case. 2133 MHz or 2400 MHz at 1.2V does not mean overclocking and/or overvolting.
2) the default settings remove any overclocking and "wrong" setting.
3) that 1.18V might be 1.20V or not. It depends on the sensors and readings accuracy.
That's why I told you to set 1.25V (to get 1.25 or 1.23V)
;-))
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: Sellis on 02-February-18, 19:49:55
Hi! I am not sure if this is the right place to post but I think my MSI B350 Gaming Pro Carbon (latest bios) sets my tRC incorrectly when it is set to auto. At 3066Mhz it sets it at 72 even though my tRAS is 38 and my tRP is 18. So if I am not wrong the value should be tRC 56. 

Also I have a question. Is 3066Mhz at 1T faster than 3200Mhz at 2T?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: federica.porcheddu89 on 03-February-18, 00:58:32

1) not in this case. 2133 MHz or 2400 MHz at 1.2V does not mean overclocking and/or overvolting.
2) the default settings remove any overclocking and "wrong" setting.
3) that 1.18V might be 1.20V or not. It depends on the sensors and readings accuracy.
That's why I told you to set 1.25V (to get 1.25 or 1.23V)
;-))

I did as you said (and you were right, sensors are not that accurate indeed, 1.25V was being read as 1.23V).
I think we can drop both compatibility and voltage doubts, and safely talk about faulty ram module instead.
I analyzed both modules under a new perspective (also thanks to attempts to calibrate voltage), benchmarked my system too, and the following are results.

FAULTY MODULE


FATAL ERROR: Rounding was 0.5, expected less than 0.4



...Reseted Bios to optimal settings...

HEALTHY MODULE


I didn't feel necessary to continue testing at this point. I'll just bring the module back to the shop and ask for a replace; I suspect its problem is not about flawed patterns, but an electrical problem which makes it "forget" data that was written in it.
One thing concerns me tho... what do you think about these readings?

https://imgur.com/m11FCvQ - https://imgur.com/ZDgURWQ
First picture is from Faulty module config, second picture from healthy module config. 
In general, I noticed that voltages raise and decrease often, and I'm not sure to know the logic behind it... 3.3V sometimes decreases to 2.4V or 1.4V for some seconds, then back to 3.3... CPU voltages stay around 0.5V by default when it is idle... 12V decreases to 11.9V-11.8-11.7 according to how heavy is GPU's load... I've seen 5V dropping to 1.5V at least twice.
Also as you can see, min values are a battlefield... ALL sensors randomly crash to ~0 from time to time, including temperature ones and Fans appearing from nowhere.
Is it MB/Sensor's fault or my PSU is showing signals of age? Despite all of this, my system is currently stable.
I first thought it could be MB, reasoning behind this is the difference in how the faulty ram module performed on a Auto voltage and on a fixed 1.2V (which theorically is the same).**

@ville.selkamaa97 - I'm not an expert, but tRC 56 sounds too low to me... I have that tRC on a 2400 mhz, and yours is a 3066 mhz.
What ram model/brand are you using?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: federica.porcheddu89 on 03-February-18, 01:00:49
Formating in this forum is awful -_-
And modifying a post after it is already posted too... I deleted the above one twice to try making it more understandable, but I give up, really... I hope you'll make anything out of it.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 03-February-18, 06:16:00
Formating in this forum is awful -_-
And modifying a post after it is already posted too... I deleted the above one twice to try making it more understandable, but I give up, really... I hope you'll make anything out of it.

Trust me, we know. The web team screwed up the forums big time and has been working to get things back to working again.....We've been complaining about it to MSI for days now...
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: pip010 on 03-February-18, 10:40:41
NO!
buying anything from MSI is gambling.

support form returning error 500

and :censored:  forums :(

https://register.msi.com/service/500.html
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: pip010 on 03-February-18, 10:42:33
Ever since I purchased the motherboard I have issues during post. Regardless of which configuration I choose I end up with 3 long beeps during post, then a reboot and booting into an OS without post short beep sound. It is all stable and works fine.

With the latest update of BIOS things are actually worse:
cannot enter BIOS without CMOS reset :( I have tried any possible key and the result is always the same: blank screen and no boot no sound no nothing :(

I have one mmc and one ssd. I have windows 10 and ubuntu 17.04. Before it was possible to choose ubuntu drive and grub was showing where I can pick which os to boot. Not anymore! regardless of how I setup (legacy or UEFI) GRUB is not showing anymore. Worst, I can make only one of the two OS to load and it is even without asking to login but directly logging in one of the available accounts !? Of course the truly worst is the previous paragraph, I cannot even enter BIOS anymore without hard CMOS reset :(

This truly unacceptable and not working condition nearly an year after my purchase! :(
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: pip010 on 03-February-18, 10:46:31
MSI test a motherboard with whatever memory  they have on hand, at the time.
If the memory isn't on hand, they don't test it.
That doesn't mean the memory WON'T work, it just means they haven't tested it.
Generally, any memory SHOULD work just fine....but your mileage may vary.
Personally, I'd stick to any of the known name brands (G.Skill, Corsair, Crucial, Kingston, Micron, etc....)

IE will the G.Skill memory you listed work? Most likely.


THIS ONLY TELLS MSI HAS A JOKE OF QA
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 03-February-18, 13:02:42

THIS ONLY TELLS MSI HAS A JOKE OF QA

You really should look into how all manufacturer's handle this....
I mean, how unreasonable does a person need to be to not realize that buying every stick of memory out there to test on motherboards would cost a ton of money? 
Memory generally is like light bulbs. You buy one that fits the socket, and it (generally) works fine. Very interchangeable, with many people making it.

Plus....QA really doesn't have anything to do with memory testing. Just saying.....
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: Sellis on 03-February-18, 17:02:41
@ville.selkamaa97 - I'm not an expert, but tRC 56 sounds too low to me... I have that tRC on a 2400 mhz, and yours is a 3066 mhz.
What ram model/brand are you using?

https://overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu_mainboard/amd_ryzen_memory_optimisation_-_the_effect_of_trc_timings/2

They noticed it too on all AM4 platforms. It seems the auto setting just gives very big headroom.
The formula is tRC = tRAS + tRP

0 instability with 56 after I changed it from the 72. Did Prime95 blend tests and memtest86+ with no errors.

I have F4-3200C16D-16GVKB.

I can't get 3200Mhz stable at 1T but I am still wondering if 3066Mhz at 1t is faster than 3200Mhz at 2T or other way around. My ram is rated at 2T though.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: federica.porcheddu89 on 03-February-18, 17:16:17
NO!
buying anything from MSI is gambling.

support form returning error 500

and :censored:  forums :(

https://register.msi.com/service/500.html

Why don't you ask for a replacement to your shop? Maybe your motherboard is just faulty, it may happen... I'm going to do exactly this with the ram I purchased (over 100 eur, MORE than how much I paid this MB) that resulted to be faulty, and shop will give me another one to test. Warrancy exists for a reason....

My mb doesn't give me any problems, I installed Windows Easy Peasy, boot in a moment (and the only times when it didn't post, it was actually something wrong or a mistake from my side), Bios is easily accessed and modified and boot order selection works fine. While I know a friend of mine which purchased a competitor's motherboard and had problems to make it recognize his USB flash to install Windows. So a viced hardware can always happen, no matter the brand.

But yeah, MSI website currently sucks.
Servers crash often for 3 months (I spent several days only to browse Compatibility sections for various MB models when I was choosing the one to pick, this because said pages would stay offline even for HOURS, or 1 day long), support webpage is also affected by this problem, I had to repeat product registering 3 times, due to that screen with the drowsy dragon you posted. I was unable to send the customer satisfaction poll, after 15 minutes filling it, because Send button is broken... Italian forums only have 1 section (for gaming laptop), pretty useless board, so I came here to write about my problem (and I had troubles with formating and modifying my posts).

Speaking of which, did you take a look to it? I didn't hear anything from you about it, guys..
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: federica.porcheddu89 on 03-February-18, 17:20:34
https://overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu_mainboard/amd_ryzen_memory_optimisation_-_the_effect_of_trc_timings/2

They noticed it too on all AM4 platforms. It seems the auto setting just gives very big headroom.
The formula is tRC = tRAS + tRP

0 instability with 56 after I changed it from the 72. Did Prime95 blend tests and memtest86+ with no errors.

I have F4-3200C16D-16GVKB.

I can't get 3200Mhz stable at 1T but I am still wondering if 3066Mhz at 1t is faster than 3200Mhz at 2T or other way around. My ram is rated at 2T though.

This is interesting indeed.
I won't try lowering it, I'm satisfied with my current stability and speed on the healthy module, however I have to say that I have 56 (from 47, which should be), so it's not such a huge difference like in your case... Maybe I'll give it a try in future, for now I'm tired of testing rams, spent 1 week over the faulty module. :D
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: gr33nbits on 07-February-18, 06:39:25
This new bios version 7A34vM7 fixed my B350 Gaming Plus memory speed issue, i could not go above 2666mhz with my Gskill Trident Z 3200CL16 well i could sometimes get 2933 but then after cold boot they wont work again, now with this bios memory is working like it should. There's also different stuff like minimum vcore is now 1.3vcore and bios is not reporting overclock speed to Windows 10.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: rjambi on 08-February-18, 11:53:38
Because the entire MSI forum is bloated with topics related to AMD Ryzen CPUs and B350 motherboards.

1) The XMP (overclocking) profiles have been designed by Intel for the Intel CPUs.
They are not even guaranteed by Intel to work on any Intel CPU.
Trying to make them work on the AMD CPUs is gambling.

2) At these moment these are the memory configs & speeds guaranteed by AMD for their Ryzen CPUs:
1866 MHz for 4 DIMMs in dual channel and dual rank.
2133 MHz for 4 DIMMs in dual channel and single rank.
2400 MHz for 2 DIMMs in dual channel and dual rank.
2666 MHz for 2 DIMMs in dual channel and single rank.
Anything above that is gambling.

:beerchug:
Yeah it's really too bad MSI doesn't put this information on the actual advertisment when you buy the product. They advertise 4000+ logos on the outside of the box then in the fine print you get to the truth. The tactics I see implimented by MSI really turn me off... All the way from the way these forums operate, to the spyware in the utility apps, to the disrespect I got on the phone when I called tech support. Overall thumbs down experience MSI.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: Nichrome on 08-February-18, 18:17:29
Yeah it's really too bad MSI doesn't put this information on the actual advertisment when you buy the product. They advertise 4000+ logos on the outside of the box then in the fine print you get to the truth. The tactics I see implimented by MSI really turn me off... All the way from the way these forums operate, to the spyware in the utility apps, to the disrespect I got on the phone when I called tech support. Overall thumbs down experience MSI.
This isn't MSI's fault. Motherboards do support 4000+ frequencies. But it's down to CPU's memory controller (inside CPU) and AMD's microcode (AGESA).
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: gr33nbits on 08-February-18, 23:30:09
This last bios for the B350 Gaming Plus solved my ram issue, i can now have my Gskill Tridentz 3200CL16 at full speed and that's great, on the previous bios i could only do 2666mhz.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: WaltC on 10-February-18, 03:55:06
Success! 

I just updated the bios in my MSI Gaming Pro Carbon AC a few minutes ago to the latest bios version accessible from MSI's site--2.8 (upgraded through M-Flashfrom bios version 2.5, without a hitch), and I am extremely pleased to report that my Patriot Viper Elite Ram booted to 3200Mhz the very first time (previously my best efforts with the previous bios could get no faster than 3066MHz!)--I had to do nothing more elaborate than select  X-AMP mode 2 and the system took care of the rest...!  This is the same ram that MSI reports running at 3200MHz in its ram compatibility listing for the motherboard on the MSI site--now working as advertised!  Now, we're cookin' with gas...;) Very nice.   Thought some of you guys might like to know...;)

Fantastic!  Good job, MSI & AMD!
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: BoutTime on 18-February-18, 13:03:24
I strongly recommend G.Skill Flare X. My 2400mhz 16GB kit overclocks nicely to 2933mhz using 1.35v with slightly looser timings. Benchmarks at "performing way above expectations"......

http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/7400653
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: BoutTime on 18-February-18, 13:10:13
I strongly recommend G.Skill Flare X. My 2400mhz 16GB kit overclocks nicely to 2933mhz using 1.35v with slightly looser timings. Benchmarks at "performing way above expectations"......

http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/7400653 (http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/7400653)

UserBenchmarks: Game 115%, Desk 116%, Work 120%
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 1700 - 91.9%
GPU: Nvidia GTX 1080 - 128.8%
SSD: SanDisk Ultra II 480GB - 60.8%
SSD: Samsung SM961 NVMe PCIe M.2 256GB - 243.7%
RAM: G.SKILL F4 DDR4 2400 C16 2x8GB - 104%
MBD: MSI X370 GAMING PRO CARBON (MS-7A32)


UserBenchmarks: Game 115%, Desk 116%, Work 120% (http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/7400653)
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 1700 (http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/AMD-Ryzen-7-1700/Rating/3917) - 91.9%
GPU: Nvidia GTX 1080 (http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Nvidia-GTX-1080/Rating/3603) - 128.8%
SSD: SanDisk Ultra II 480GB (http://ssd.userbenchmark.com/SanDisk-Ultra-II-480GB/Rating/3473) - 60.8%
SSD: Samsung SM961 NVMe PCIe M.2 256GB (http://ssd.userbenchmark.com/SpeedTest/160971/SAMSUNG-MZVPW256HEGL-00000) - 243.7%
RAM: G.SKILL F4 DDR4 2400 C16 2x8GB (http://ram.userbenchmark.com/SpeedTest/267461/GSKILL-F4-2400C16-8GFX-2x8GB) - 104%
MBD: MSI X370 GAMING PRO CARBON (MS-7A32) (http://www.userbenchmark.com/System/MSI-X370-GAMING-PRO-CARBON-MS-7A32/51320)
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: stephencgibson on 22-February-18, 15:57:27
Hey Guys & Gals!

New to the MSI family....

Building a new desktop.....need your advice and wisdom...

Decided on the MSI X370 Gaming Pro Motherboard and a Ryzen 5 1600 CPU

I was thinking of going with 4 sticks of the Corsair Vengeance RGB 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 2666 (PC4-21300) C16 - memory CMR16GX4M2A2666C16 for a total of 32GB of ram.

Is this a good match for the ram?  Should I step up to a faster speed?

Any and all replies is greatly appreciated!

Thank you in advance!

Steve
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: scott.hanlon78 on 27-February-18, 13:25:27




Hi guys I've got, Trident Z 4000mhz 16gb kit (2x8) only achieving stable 3400mhz, 3600 barely boots if at all no matter what I do for NB or Ram volts within reason lol. Running 2018 bridge bios.
I've tried custom timings and sub timings everything can't get 3600mhz stable at all.
Help!
Current timings 15,15,15,15,36 3400mhz stable.
Does anyone have the 18,19,19,19,38 Trident Z 4000mhz 2x8gb kit at all?
And have you reached 3600mhz stable on MSI GAMING PRO CARBON?
Please help. If I can hit 3600 on my 1800x stable I'll be super stoked!

System:
Carbon Pro X370
1800x @4.050
Trident Z @3400 (4000mhz)
Zotac AMP EXTREME GTX 1080Ti
Kraken X62 AIO
3x Sandisk SSD 240gb
6x 140mm fans
Corsair 750D
HX1000i PSU

I'm in Australia and I've been saving up forever, well since the 1800x was revealed. I have everything now and just want this last thing to work as I had hoped.

Please help guys!
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: RemusM on 27-February-18, 14:08:53
Hi guys I've got, Trident Z 4000mhz 16gb kit (2x8) only achieving stable 3400mhz,

1800x @4.050
Trident Z @3400 (4000mhz)

You run the CPU way out of specs.
https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-7-1800x
 
Max System Memory Speed : 2667MHz

For overclocking/overvolting please use the proper forum section:
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?board=27.0
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 27-February-18, 16:19:33
Also, the higher the speed, the more likely you are to have to manually enter settings to get it very stable.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: guillaumecyril37 on 01-March-18, 10:32:51
Hi maybe someone can help me to understand why my motherboard doesn't let me force manual voltage ?

(https://zupimages.net/up/18/08/rtx6.jpg)
(https://zupimages.net/up/18/08/b7ls.jpg)
I tested without xmp profil too it doesn't change anything . Only way to have 1.2v is to use msi command center that allow me to set to 1.2v .....
I tested to oc those rams to 2667 and the motherboard force 1.53v ! So i come back quickly to 2400 .
Thx
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: Nichrome on 01-March-18, 10:58:14
Here you will find BETA BIOS that fixes high RAM voltage issue:
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=299706.msg1742946#msg1742946

As for CPU voltage, minimum is 1.3v from now on. MSI's decision.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: guillaumecyril37 on 01-March-18, 13:59:29
Thx a lot everything 's fine now.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: Nichrome on 01-March-18, 14:11:23
:hat tip:
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: Skull on 01-March-18, 19:02:48
Hello all,

Any help with the below specifications would be greatly appreciated. I can not get my RAM to post anywhere near the rated speeds. Neither XMP profiles work. I am currently on the most recent bios (7A34vHA)

System specs:
R5 1600 (1.35V 3.7GHz)
B350 Tomahawk Arctic
Corsair LED Memory 2x8GB 3200MHz (CMU16GX4M2C3200C16)

Thanks,
Skull
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: Skull on 01-March-18, 19:18:29
Hey Guys & Gals!

New to the MSI family....

Building a new desktop.....need your advice and wisdom...

Decided on the MSI X370 Gaming Pro Motherboard and a Ryzen 5 1600 CPU

I was thinking of going with 4 sticks of the Corsair Vengeance RGB 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 2666 (PC4-21300) C16 - memory CMR16GX4M2A2666C16 for a total of 32GB of ram.

Is this a good match for the ram?  Should I step up to a faster speed?

Any and all replies is greatly appreciated!

Thank you in advance!

Steve

Hey Steve,

When I built my system last June I ended up going with a set of Corsair LED memory(because it was on sale) and have regretted it since. I have not been able to run my system at the rated speeds because I was foolish and did not read the QVL list for my motherboard. 

My first piece of advice would be to review the RAM compatibility list for your specific motherboard. Also, when you are reviewing, try to think about the amount of Dimms that will be coming with your 32Gb set since it seems like most higher speeds play better with 2 Dimms rather than 4.

From what I have been reading recently, if you are looking for a RGB set of RAM it seems like the G.skill Trident Zs tend to play much better with Ryzen Systems.

Hope this helps.

Best Regards,
Skull
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: DARKKi on 03-March-18, 15:19:54
Hi!

I just got Ryzen setup recently and for RAM i picked G.Skill 32GB (4x8GB) DDR4 3200MHz, CL16 F4-3200C16D-16GVKB (https://www.gskill.com/en/product/f4-3200c16d-16gvkb) and for MOBO i got MSI X370 GAMING PRO CARBON (https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/X370-GAMING-PRO-CARBON) and i can only get them to run what BIOS defaulted them to which is 2133MHz

I upped dram voltage to 1.35v as the RAM suggests and tried 3200MHz XMP profile and it did not even boot and 2933MHz(if i recall right) profile booted but was unstable.

Any help with getting higher clock than 2133MHz? :]
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 03-March-18, 18:43:13
Hi!

I just got Ryzen setup recently and for RAM i picked G.Skill 32GB (4x8GB) DDR4 3200MHz, CL16 F4-3200C16D-16GVKB (https://www.gskill.com/en/product/f4-3200c16d-16gvkb) and for MOBO i got MSI X370 GAMING PRO CARBON (https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/X370-GAMING-PRO-CARBON) and i can only get them to run what BIOS defaulted them to which is 2133MHz

I upped dram voltage to 1.35v as the RAM suggests and tried 3200MHz XMP profile and it did not even boot and 2933MHz(if i recall right) profile booted but was unstable.

Any help with getting higher clock than 2133MHz? :]

The more sticks you have installed, the less likely you are to hit higher frequencies.
The best I can suggest is to follow the guidelines within the overclocking guide for memory here on these forums : https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=286610.0 (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=286610.0)
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: flobelix on 13-March-18, 19:28:41
You have neither a Gaming series (and most importantly) nor a Ryzen platform mainboard.

Open your own thread in AMD section. Note that the thread you opened but locked yourself got removed.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: arielacosta909 on 14-March-18, 18:32:08
Hi everyone!
I have a Ryzen 5 1600 , MSI Krait x370 MOBO and Corsair CMK8GX4M1A2400C14 Vengeance LPX 8 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4 2400 MHz C14 RAM, the thing is that it wont stop freezing (Mouse and sound for about 20 seconds and then i have to reboot), should i change the ram sticks? They dont throw any errors on testings, this RAM model doesnt seem to be supported by ryzen... Thanks!
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: ttheib161 on 15-March-18, 15:32:32
Has anybody here any experience with the motherboard -X370 GAMING M7 ACK? I want to know if anybody has ran the G skills flare x 3200 8GB ram 2 DIMM 16GB KIT (F4-3200C14D-16GFX) on that motherboard... that is the ram I would like to run but it's not listed on their compatibility list for that board ....but they do list the 32GB KIT ( F4-3200C14Q-32GFX) ....
Is there a reason they don't list the 16GB kit?
Was wondering if anybody ran the flare X 16GB 2X8GB KIT (F4-3200C14D-16GFX) and if it ran properly on the
 x370 gaming M7 ack motherboard...?? 
    I know it's impossible for them to test all of the ram out there although this one is AMD specific.. Mainly just looking for some confirmation before I buy because of the confusion when it comes to compatibility and the ryzen CPU motherboards.

I would run the 32GB kit  but it's a couple hundred dollars out of my budget and I don't need but 16GB anyways...
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 15-March-18, 16:13:32
Is there a reason they don't list the 16GB kit?

It's nearly impossible to test every single kit of RAM out there.

Most likely it will work perfectly fine. I wouldn't worry about it. I'd be more surprised if it didn't work.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: IceMyth on 18-March-18, 22:59:35
Hi,

I just would like to share the memory I am using and the speed I hit.

MB: MSI X370 GAMING PRO CARBON
Memory: G.Skill 8192 MB (DDR4-2137) - XMP 2.0 - P/N: F4-3000C16-8GTZR
Max speed I was able to hit is 3200Mhz

I am planing to get 32GB in the future and will reply about the results. 

Link: https://valid.x86.fr/cikxmp

Regards,
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: guillaumecyril37 on 08-April-18, 10:21:50
Manufacturing Description 
Module Manufacturer:G.Skill
Module Part Number:F4-2400C15-8GNT
Module Series:Value
DRAM Manufacturer:Hynix
DRAM Components:H5AN8G8NMFR-TFC
DRAM Die Revision / Lithography Resolution:M / 25 nm
Module Manufacturing Date:Undefined
Module Manufacturing Location:Taipei, Taiwan
Module Serial Number:00000000h
Module PCB Revision:00h
Those rams works great with ryzen but not referenced by msi or gskill as compatible .... don't know why:

[th]Memory Module[/th]
Manufacturer
G.Skill
Series
Value
Part Number
F4-2400C15-8GNT
Serial Number
00000000h
JEDEC DIMM Label
8GB 1Rx8 PC4-2133-UA1-11
Architecture
DDR4 SDRAM UDIMM
Speed Grade
DDR4-2133
Capacity
8 GB (8 components)
Organization
1024M x64 (1 rank)
Register Model
N/A
Manufacturing Date
Undefined
Manufacturing Location
Taipei, Taiwan
Revision / Raw Card
0000h / A1 (8 layers)
[th]DRAM Components[/th]
Manufacturer
Hynix
Part Number
H5AN8G8NMFR-TFC
Package
Standard Monolithic 78-ball FBGA
Die Density / Count
8 Gb M-die (25 nm) / 1 die
Composition
1024M x8 (64M x8 x 16 banks)
Clock Frequency
1067 MHz (0,938 ns)
Minimum Timing Delays
15-15-15-36-50
Read Latencies Supported
16T, 15T, 14T, 13T, 12T, 11T, 10T
Supply Voltage
1,20 V
XMP Certified
1200 MHz / 15-15-15-35-50 / 1,20 V
XMP Extreme
Not programmed
SPD Revision
1.1 / September 2015
XMP Revision
2.0 / December 2013
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 08-April-18, 14:28:08
I mean.....let's stop and think about this for a minute....

How many different RAM manufacturer's are out there?
Ok, now, multiply that by how many different sticks of memory they make. (so, you've got memory that's 2400 MHz, but CL14, CL15, CL16, each being a different model, then consider all the other different options....LED lighting on memory, colored and controllable LED lighting, plain heat spreaders, no heat spreaders).....

Even within a single manufacturer, you might be looking at 100+ different models.
No company is going to go through and buy some for each and every configuration.....that would be absurd, and make for a lot of testing. Then add all the different configurations (1 stick, 2 sticks, 4 sticks, and even 8 sticks on some boards.....)
I mean.....it's not hard to see that the amount of testing to realistically do all that would take a long long time.

MSI tests what they have on hand at the time.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: bigc5012 on 10-April-18, 00:22:25
Would any one here be able to help me out with a memory issue?

motherboard: X370 Gaming M7 ACK
cpu: ryzen 71800x
memory: 4 x 8GB G.KSILL Ripjaws V Series F4-3200C14D-16GVK

I am having troubles hitting the 3200. Updated BIOS on the board, enabled XMP profile to correct 3200 profile, and I'm getting Windows crashes. Ran mem tests with XMP enabled and disabled and do get memory errors for XMP on but no errors when disabled.  Doing some research, others suggested adjusting the SoC voltage? Does anyone know what this needs to be changed to? I do think I need to fine tune some voltages to hit 3200 stable, but I'm not sure exactly what. Anybody experience anything similar or provide any suggestions on the best way to begin troubleshooting?

thanks
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 10-April-18, 01:06:07
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=286610.0

See that topic. Read the first post entirely. It should explain things fairly clearly.
Title: B350 Tomahawk
Post by: louiechanvargas on 29-April-18, 03:42:01
I currently have B350 Tomahawk but the bios update only shows 2700 not 2700x? Some boards like Cheap Bazooka, Pc mates are B350 but my Tomahawk doesn’t supports 2700X ryzen 7 ?  Why all b350 supports 2700x I need some help I haven’t use my Motherboard I just bought 2700X
Title: Re: B350 Tomahawk
Post by: darkhawk on 30-April-18, 08:46:10
I currently have B350 Tomahawk but the bios update only shows 2700 not 2700x? Some boards like Cheap Bazooka, Pc mates are B350 but my Tomahawk doesn’t supports 2700X ryzen 7 ?  Why all b350 supports 2700x I need some help I haven’t use my Motherboard I just bought 2700X

It should support it.
Where are you seeing that it doesn't support it? screen captures or some pictures of some kind showing what you're talking about?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: mech.driver on 11-May-18, 07:32:21
Thread Ripper is the same thing, I cant complain though, it will run heavy intense programs faster than anything I've had before. Mine only goes to 2800 with 4gb x 8 sticks, and I know there's not a problem with the memory rated for 3466. I have used other motherboards and only have gotten it to 2933 it was screaming fast. Felt faster than normal, like the 2800 even at what i am at now it feels faster than the 3000 with my old 5930k. Maybe just me? Its good to know they are working on it to improve speed anyways, a bios update and boom 3466 would be like a wet dream.
My options are limited if I wanted 16 cores and 3466 speeds I would have to pay double if not tripple from intel. I like memory speed, but i like saving money that i dont have, too. 
I have heard of people getting 3200 with thread ripper but they are probally only using two sticks, Some applications like simulators like memory for extra texture, so it seems better to have a large supply 16gb+ for the realism.
Well to put it short You will probally experience the same thing with other maufactures motherboards and If you go intel expect to pay for it, the motherboards and memory start to hit hard. 
What its worth I found playing with the latencys really help, but becareful, I ran into a instance where I had to bios flash to get my motherboard back, just by changing one number. But it does make a diffrence, a big one. even though the MHz number dont look so preatty.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: mashmex on 11-May-18, 18:59:51
System:
- MSI X470 Gaming Pro Carbon
- Ryzen 1800x
- 2x G.SKILL - F4-3200C14D-16GTZRX - so at all 32GB RAM

- My problem is, that I cannot get to anything. So I'm stuck at 1866 MHz RAM Speed.
- Neither any A-XMP profile nor any custom configuration would lead to anything higher than 1866 MHz.
-- I think this is the dual rank/channel default fallback profile

I'm kind of disappointed, because at my X370 Gaming Pro Carbon I had installed before, I could easily get to 2933 MHz with same hardware.

If anyone has some feedback for this hardware situation, just give me a hint. Would be great.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 11-May-18, 22:37:09
System:
- MSI X470 Gaming Pro Carbon
- Ryzen 1800x
- 2x G.SKILL - F4-3200C14D-16GTZRX - so at all 32GB RAM

- My problem is, that I cannot get to anything. So I'm stuck at 1866 MHz RAM Speed.
- Neither any A-XMP profile nor any custom configuration would lead to anything higher than 1866 MHz.
-- I think this is the dual rank/channel default fallback profile

I'm kind of disappointed, because at my X370 Gaming Pro Carbon I had installed before, I could easily get to 2933 MHz with same hardware.

If anyone has some feedback for this hardware situation, just give me a hint. Would be great.

What BIOS version are you currently using?
Are you sure it's a X470 board?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: mashmex on 11-May-18, 22:42:26
What BIOS version are you currently using?
Are you sure it's a X470 board?
There's just one - v20. And of course, it's the X470.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 11-May-18, 23:18:52
There's just one - v20. And of course, it's the X470.
Give this a try. V211 of the bios : https://drive.google.com/open?id=1t_IGrqq9erqXJsAtXNPhWyHoh4ESW_El (https://drive.google.com/open?id=1t_IGrqq9erqXJsAtXNPhWyHoh4ESW_El)
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: mashmex on 12-May-18, 16:18:48
Hey darkhawk!

thanks for you efforts,
I fixed it some minutes ago.. the problem were my 2.0 speakers with 3.5mm input. They must have created kind of an overload.. without them, everything is just fine and I can easily get to A-XMP Profile 2 with 3200 14-14-14-34.
So - solved!

Thanks and greetings
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: luissilsantos on 21-May-18, 12:28:44
Hello guys!

I am trying to fine tune my memory on a B350M Mortar, using latest bios 7A37v1F. I would like to adjust cldo_vddp to try to hit 3333mhz stable, but I don't know what's it's current value. :(

I already tried using hwinfo64 for the sensors reading, but no cldo_vddp value read, therefore, I would like to know if it would be possible for msi engineers to display the value on the bios on the next update, just like vcore, vnb, vdimm etc.

Proc odt and all other values on memory advanced settings would be nice too, if possible, although those I am able to read with Ryzen Timing Checker 1.03.1.

Best regards :)
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: DataDroid on 24-May-18, 03:28:22
I have an X470 Gaming Plus motherboard. So far, everything seems to work fine except the memory. I have this memory here (https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16820215151). I can boot successfully to Windows with either stick in slot 1 or slot 2, but not in slot 3 or 4. I can boot successfully with both sticks in 2/4 or 1/3, but Windows reads it as "16.0 GB (8.0 GB available)." I can put them in slots 1/2 and use all 16.0 GB, but then I'm stuck in single-channel mode. It defaults to 2667MHz, but has no problem running at the default 3000 or even overclocked to 3066. I've increased the voltage to 1.37 to see if that would allow it to use both sticks, but it doesn't make a difference (though it appears to be stable—I'm using my PC to write this now). I have updated to the latest BIOS. Is the motherboard bad? Is the RAM bad? How else can I test it to be sure?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 25-May-18, 00:51:07
I have an X470 Gaming Plus motherboard. So far, everything seems to work fine except the memory. I have this memory here (https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16820215151). I can boot successfully to Windows with either stick in slot 1 or slot 2, but not in slot 3 or 4. I can boot successfully with both sticks in 2/4 or 1/3, but Windows reads it as "16.0 GB (8.0 GB available)." I can put them in slots 1/2 and use all 16.0 GB, but then I'm stuck in single-channel mode. It defaults to 2667MHz, but has no problem running at the default 3000 or even overclocked to 3066. I've increased the voltage to 1.37 to see if that would allow it to use both sticks, but it doesn't make a difference (though it appears to be stable—I'm using my PC to write this now). I have updated to the latest BIOS. Is the motherboard bad? Is the RAM bad? How else can I test it to be sure?

Hardware problem that really isn't meant to be discussed here and really should have your own thread opened....

That being said....it sounds more like either your CPU is bad, CPU socket is bad, motherboard is bad, or memory sockets on the motherboard are bad.

The only way you get those kinds of issues is if some of the signals coming from the memory in sockets 3 and 4 aren't making it all the way back to the CPU. Usually it ends up being bent pins on the CPU or CPU socket.....but occasionally it's been the motherboard.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: errolmartindmello on 02-June-18, 15:41:24
I have X470 M7 motherboard and also have 4 sticks, each of 8GB, installed.

I am getting stable speed of 3090MHz. However I run it at 3000MHz and it is doing very well.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: gr33nbits on 18-June-18, 00:27:03
Just noticed that my memory isn't listed in the compatibility list.

I own a MSI B350 Gaming Plus with the last bios 7A34vMA and my Gskill Tridentz 3200CL16 works with XMP at 3200.

You guys can add this to the compatibility list i have 2x8gb working at 3200 with 1.36v with XMP

[font="Open Sans","Helvetica Neue",Verdana,Arial,sans-serif]F4-3200C16D-16GTZB[/font]
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: RemusM on 18-June-18, 08:44:52
Just noticed that my memory isn't listed in the compatibility list.

I own a MSI B350 Gaming Plus with the last bios 7A34vMA and my Gskill Tridentz 3200CL16 works with XMP at 3200.

Glad to hear, but that's not guaranteed for others.
Here is your CPU:
https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-5-1600
Max System Memory Speed : 2667MHz

Also, that compatibility list doesn't mean too much.
If the BIOS is not buggy, when it comes to memory speed, the motherboard is irrelevant.
All it matters is the quality of your CPU IMC (and your luck).
;-))
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: gr33nbits on 20-June-18, 11:31:53
Glad to hear, but that's not guaranteed for others.
Here is your CPU:
https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-5-1600
Max System Memory Speed : 2667MHz

Also, that compatibility list doesn't mean too much.
If the BIOS is not buggy, when it comes to memory speed, the motherboard is irrelevant.
All it matters is the quality of your CPU IMC (and your luck).
;-))


Hi, i do understand that but just because the cpu is 2667 doesn't mean that can't do higher, if you take a look at the compatibility memory page for this type of cpu you can see all kinds of memory recommended from 2400 to 3200 and that is the only reason i did my input.


This page: https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B350-GAMING-PLUS#support-mem-12

I just wanted MSI to know that this kit works at full speed on the last bios, not sure about the previous cause i skiped.
Im sure more people have the same combo and could reply or could even be tested inhouse, but in the other hand new boards are coming like the B450 and probably wont have the same early adpoting problems we the 1st gen had.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: RemusM on 20-June-18, 12:15:35

Hi, i do understand that but just because the cpu is 2667 doesn't mean that can't do higher,

Who said it can't do higher?
I said anything above 2666 is NOT guaranteed by anyone (MSI, AMD, G-Skill).

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B350-GAMING-PLUS/Specification
Supports DDR4 1866/ 2133/ 2400/ 2667(OC)/ 2933(OC)/ 3200(OC)+ Mhz *

https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-5-1600
Max System Memory Speed : 2667MHz

https://www.gskill.com/en/product/f4-3200c16d-16gtzb
Rated XMP frequency & stability depends on MB & CPU capability.

I hope it's cristal clear now.
;-))
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: gr33nbits on 20-June-18, 21:17:43
Who said it can't do higher?
I said anything above 2666 is NOT guaranteed by anyone (MSI, AMD, G-Skill).

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B350-GAMING-PLUS/Specification
Supports DDR4 1866/ 2133/ 2400/ 2667(OC)/ 2933(OC)/ 3200(OC)+ Mhz *

https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-5-1600
Max System Memory Speed : 2667MHz

https://www.gskill.com/en/product/f4-3200c16d-16gtzb
Rated XMP frequency & stability depends on MB & CPU capability.



I hope it's cristal clear now.
;-))


Was always cristal clear and a year ago this board and all the rest like cpu and mem could only do 2666 only because AGESA and bios updates can now do rated speed of 3200 and that's why i bought 3200 to be able to use, i was only letting people know that this kits now work at that speeds like others on the compatibility list but guess i shouldn't waste my time then, thanks.

Lesson learned and future stuff i will keep it for myself.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: user00 on 20-June-18, 21:47:58
X470 Gaming Pro with CAS 14 g.skill trident z (non rgb) .

Enabled XMP in BIOS and it auto configured for 3200 no manual tweeking necessary.

Couldn't have been any easier.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: micsim2007 on 11-July-18, 12:28:00
Just chiming in to say I found my system would seemingly run fine with RAM set to 3200MHz until I ran any games for a period of time. The games wouldn't completely crash but were stuttering randomly with intermittent screen blanking and brief loss of controller connection. I lowered the RAM speed to 2667MHz which is the upper limit specified by AMD for my Ryzen 5 1600 and it's behaved fine since. I haven't tried anything in between so it may work slightly higher at 2933MHz but it's not worth the hassle of finding out as far as I'm concerned, I'm happy with how the system is performing.

Motherboard: B350 PC MATE with firmware build A.E0
RAM which is on the QVL list (but tested for two modules only): 4 x 8GB Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4-3200 CMK16GX4M2B3200C16
CPU: Ryzen 5 1600

I don't want to overclock the Ryzen either. If I upgrade the CPU in future to one that supports higher frequencies then I've got the RAM to accommodate it in place already.

CPU-Z dump showing timings attached, I'm using the slightly more aggressive 'try it' settings for 2667MHz now and they seem okay. Voltage is set to auto instead of 1.36V that setting tried to implement.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: Marshal on 14-July-18, 15:04:35
Hey guys, 

I bought brand new X370 Gaming Pro Carbon, Ryzen 2600 and GSkill Ripjaws IV 3200MHz (https://www.gskill.com/en/product/f4-3200c16d-8grb). Max frequency I can get for memory is 2800MHz. Everything above is not stable causing BSOD after few seconds. I updated to latest bios from MSI site which is 1.G0 . Is there newer beta bios or can we expect new stable bios update for this motherboard? Sorry if these questions are asked before but I'm new to AM4 platform and MSI motherboard. Thanks!
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 15-July-18, 03:04:36
Hey guys,

I bought brand new X370 Gaming Pro Carbon, Ryzen 2600 and GSkill Ripjaws IV 3200MHz (https://www.gskill.com/en/product/f4-3200c16d-8grb). Max frequency I can get for memory is 2800MHz. Everything above is not stable causing BSOD after few seconds. I updated to latest bios from MSI site which is 1.G0 . Is there newer beta bios or can we expect new stable bios update for this motherboard? Sorry if these questions are asked before but I'm new to AM4 platform and MSI motherboard. Thanks!

See : >>Please read and comply with the Forum Rules.<< (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=64858.0)
As this forum is run by users, we cannot provide timelines regarding release dates for BIOS's. We are not privy to that information from MSI directly. Basically.....what you know, is pretty much what we know.
The best you can really do in regards to BIOS's, outside of asking here, is to ask MSI directly : >>How to contact MSI.<< (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=107326.0)
They will actually have newer versions that they can provide before we do.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: Marshal on 15-July-18, 03:24:21
Ok, thank you for informations.
About Agesa 1.0.0.6 ... Is that upcoming update for motherboards or is it implemented already in latest bios?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 15-July-18, 03:39:12
Ok, thank you for informations.
About Agesa 1.0.0.6 ... Is that upcoming update for motherboards or is it implemented already in latest bios?

Unfortunately, saying AGESA 1.0.0.6 is confusing at best.....
Keep in mind that there has technically been a 1.0.0.6.....for the original Ryzen chips.

The Pinnacle Ridge 1.0.0.6 update, I have no idea about. I haven't kept up with the information regarding Ryzen since the Ryzen 2 launch, so I'm not as aware.

Doing a quick web search seems to indicate that PinnaclePi 1.0.0.4 is in testing for most boards out there, which would mean 1.0.0.4 should be next.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: Marshal on 17-July-18, 02:16:01
MSI sent me PinnaclePi 1.0.0.4 but I don't see that something improved for my memory stability. I see here on forum a guy with same cpu and X470 gaming pro carbon has the same problem.
CnQ doesn't work correctily also. Now it managed to lower the frequency down but voltage remains the same. 
I hope it will be resolved soon. :)
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: ivesh on 20-July-18, 19:36:47
Hi So no chance I get my native 3466 memory  to work on 3466 Mhz ? (XMP on 3200 does work) 
Running a Ryzen 2700X on MSI X470 GAming PRO MB. 

Any suggestions welcome :hypocrite:
https://www.corsair.com/eu/en/Categories/Products/Memory/VENGEANCE%C2%AE-RGB-16GB-%282-x-8GB%29-DDR4-DRAM-3466MHz-C16-Memory-Kit/p/CMR16GX4M2C3466C16
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: RemusM on 21-July-18, 10:46:41
Hi So no chance I get my native 3466 memory  to work on 3466 Mhz ? (XMP on 3200 does work)
Running a Ryzen 2700X on MSI X470 GAming PRO MB.

Yes, that's a great Corsair piece of work.
:biggthumbsup:
But there is nothing 3466MHz NATIVE for your CPU:
https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-7-2700x  
Max System Memory Speed : 2933MHz
 

So if your CPU runs stable with 3200 at 1.2V, try a voltage bump (1.30...1.35V) for 3466 and see how it goes.
:beerchug:
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: ogi4awe on 18-August-18, 16:35:52
I have motherboard msi b350m pro-vdh whit Ryzen 5/1400 are they compatible with a module DDR4RAM 2x 8GB DDR4-3200 G.Skill RipJaws V schwarz Kit F4-3200C16D-16GVKB  help pls ??
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: whotheff on 03-September-18, 23:39:59
MSI B450 Gaming Plus works perfectly with 16GB G.Skill F4-320016S-16GVK stick.
I tried 3200Mhz both on 1.25V and SPD (1.2V) with no issues at SPD timings.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: gerardfraser on 14-September-18, 20:03:44
MSI B450 Gaming Plus works perfectly with 16GB G.Skill F4-320016S-16GVK stick.
I tried 3200Mhz both on 1.25V and SPD (1.2V) with no issues at SPD timings.

I just sold a stick of F4-320016S-16GVK For my MSI x470 gaming Plus and it worked great.Here are some timings I ran 100% stable on that stick.

Default is 3200Mhz CL16-18-18-38
3200Mhz Tighter Timings Than Default CL14-15-15-30
3400Mhz Tighter Timings Than Default CL16-17-17-36
(https://s8.postimg.cc/s5qf0idmd/3200_ram.jpg://)


Video showing 3400Mhz Tighter Timings Than Default CL16-17-17-36
https://youtu.be/IaJxAQorIB8

Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: albert.necula on 17-September-18, 12:24:56
Corsair Vengeance 2400 to 2666,works fine
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: s5645 on 23-September-18, 08:10:08
Unfortunately We can't use high frequancy rams with Ryzen. This is not good.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: miklet on 23-September-18, 17:06:19
I wonder if I should be trying to get more than 3333MHz from the RAM modules in my signature. I was thinking that's pretty good but also wondering how the really high RAM speeds perform on the Intel boards. I see modules for sale that seem to support as much as 4700MHz.

Wondering what is the highest stable speed anyone has achieved with a AM4 motherboard.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: Nichrome on 23-September-18, 18:10:29
Those high frequencies RAM are more for the record than actual usability and stability.
AM4 CPUs barely handle 3000-3200MHz, so going above 4000MHz on RAM requires much more tuning than it's actually worth.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: leonarddoromal on 25-September-18, 10:04:23
I've been wondering around the net for like a month now researching and looking for compatible components. 

I am planning on building a rig this weekend for Ryzen 5 2600, 2600x, 2700 or 2700x and use MSI x470 gaming plus for the mobo. 

However. i am really confused since I can only want to get at least 16gb for now which is the most affordable we have here in our country (PH) for the G.Skill Ripjaws V series is 16gb (dual) ddr4 3200 G.Skill Ripjaws V, black, CL16 1.35v, pn: F4-3200C16D-16GVKB

However, on the Memory QVL compatibility list for Pinnacle Ridge, it only shows the 64GB variant of the Ripjaws V series. If I go with the 16gb do you guys think it will be compatible or not? Or as long as the RAM model is within the list regardless of the capacity?

Thank you in advance for your inputs and recommendations.

F4-3200C14Q-64GVK

G.SkillF4-3200C14Q-64GVK32003200Samsung1.35vDUAL16GB
(https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0?ui=2&ik=47b22e21cb&attid=0.2&permmsgid=msg-a:r5987614102325139011&th=1660fb53ba09e598&view=fimg&sz=s0-l75-ft&attbid=ANGjdJ81AGJR4hB0911AyzCZPp7g4WFeau9zxokTKpo6jdo9ZSbUkTrZegPmh9rmX2IidDFVG_qvk2FEvkriGpv9VW-du2_eOduhDR5RvBCRlbbhKzFhayrHcVBd-Ss&disp=emb&realattid=ii_jmhf5o6g3)

(https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0?ui=2&ik=47b22e21cb&attid=0.1&permmsgid=msg-a:r5987614102325139011&th=1660fb53ba09e598&view=fimg&sz=s0-l75-ft&attbid=ANGjdJ_GGdBXagvQcSEmd2NprBwzS3bFzyN585RHdhpeqdofo2Lfw8j_uo0cjDMLmHh0ssinVU2lxlV99mn6nla9vX3_WjkfyH7cSuLvVD0PNfOUZFRpJ4XMTEzIirI&disp=emb&realattid=ii_jmhf56lv2)

Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: leonarddoromal on 25-September-18, 10:37:05
MSI B450 Gaming Plus works perfectly with 16GB G.Skill F4-320016S-16GVK stick.
I tried 3200Mhz both on 1.25V and SPD (1.2V) with no issues at SPD timings.
Good to here this. I am new to this and no plans yet on overclocking. Still in the process of building my rig. Leaning towards the same G.skill ram but this is what I can get 16gb (dual) ddr4 3200 G.Skill Ripjaws V, black, CL16 1.35v, pn: F4-3200C16D-16GVKB or should I just get this for the 16gb (dual) ddr4 2400 G.Skill Flare X, red, CL16 1.2v, pn: F4 2400C16D 16GFXR (AMD recommneded) but still either rams are not exactly listed with the msi b450 gaming plus or even the MSI x470 gaming plus

Any inputs will be gladly appreciated.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: miklet on 27-September-18, 00:33:07
While it is important to be realistic about RAM performance on AM4 boards success is possible.
I cannot believe I get to report this finally. After months and many BIOS updates.

The X370 Gaming Pro Carbon has gotten 3466MHz reliably on new Corsair RGB Pro modules.
AND!!!
The X470 Gaming M7 AC has achieved 4 DIMMS (count em') at 3200MHz via XMP2 profile

Details of my two rigs in the signature line.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: seanyagla on 06-October-18, 00:25:08
I'm almost ready to pull the trigger on purchasing parts for a new system, but hungup on what RAM to get.

My CPU will be the Ryzen 2950X. 
Motherboard will be either the MSI X399 SLI -OR- the MSI X399 Gaming Pro Carbon AC 
(probably leaning toward the Gaming Pro Carbon because Amazon currently has it priced *lower* than the other one. I don't think it makes a difference for the matter of memory support, does it?)

As far as RAM, my requirements are that I need 32GB and I want to achieve a speed of [font="Open Sans", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]2933mhz. I don't intend to go higher than 2933, therefore I don't want to waste money on anything which would be overkill.[/font][/color]
What I'm seeing is that all of the Samsung B-Die options all start at around $400 for a 2-pack of DIMMs totaling 32GB. I'd like to stay between $300-350 if possible. Does anyone have recommendations for achieving 2933mhz, perhaps with some non-Samsung B-Die RAM?

This one maybe?
https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Memory/vengeance-lpx-black/p/CMK32GX4M2B3200C16
(CMK32GX4M2B3200C16)
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 06-October-18, 04:34:33
If you're getting a 29xx chip, wouldn't you want 4 DIMM's to maximize the bandwidth to your CPU? With only 2 sticks you get half of the maximum bandwidth possible....just saying....

Also, the G.skill tridentZ RGB's can be quite good as well.

I would probably suggest 4 x 8GB G.Skill Trident Z RGB's at 3200 MHz. 2 x 8GB will run around $175 or so.....so that's a bit closer to what you want to pay.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: herefaisal on 06-October-18, 09:53:26
System:
- MSI B450 Pro VDH
- Ryzen 2200g
- 2x VGEN Tsunami - D4S4GL32A16TS. Its 8gb kit

- My problem is, that I cannot get to anything. So I'm stuck at 2400 MHz RAM Speed.
- Neither any A-XMP profile nor any custom configuration would lead to anything higher than 2400 Mhz
-- I think this is the dual rank/channel default fallback profile

If anyone has some feedback for this hardware situation, just give me a hint. It would be great.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: Nichrome on 06-October-18, 09:59:37
Problem is, I never heard of this brand. And it seems so because it's limited to few countries only.
If you want high frequencies, get RAM kit from reputable brand like GSkill or Corsair.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: seanyagla on 08-October-18, 01:03:25
If you're getting a 29xx chip, wouldn't you want 4 DIMM's to maximize the bandwidth to your CPU? With only 2 sticks you get half of the maximum bandwidth possible....just saying....

Also, the G.skill tridentZ RGB's can be quite good as well.

I would probably suggest 4 x 8GB G.Skill Trident Z RGB's at 3200 MHz. 2 x 8GB will run around $175 or so.....so that's a bit closer to what you want to pay.
I'm really glad you brought up that point about 4 DIMMs as opposed to 2. At some point. Somehow I missed the fact that quad-channel is now supported.

Regarding the TridentZ RGB option:
I took a look at the F4-3200C16Q-32GTZR kit, but noticed a handful of reviewers commenting that they had issues specifically with AMD/MSI. In one case, a G-Skill rep replied, noting that they had a separate kit which is certified for AMD compatibility. That kit would be F4-3200C14Q-32GTZRX which comes in at...$497.99. Yikes.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 08-October-18, 01:45:04
I'm really glad you brought up that point about 4 DIMMs as opposed to 2. At some point. Somehow I missed the fact that quad-channel is now supported.

Regarding the TridentZ RGB option:
I took a look at the F4-3200C16Q-32GTZR kit, but noticed a handful of reviewers commenting that they had issues specifically with AMD/MSI. In one case, a G-Skill rep replied, noting that they had a separate kit which is certified for AMD compatibility. That kit would be F4-3200C14Q-32GTZRX which comes in at...$497.99. Yikes.

No worries.
Personally, I've got some TridentZ RGB and it works fine at 3200 for me. But it's only 2 sticks on a Ryzen 5.

Up to you, but the Flare X or TridentZ RGB tends to be a good option.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: derekmski on 13-October-18, 16:06:26
I'm using Corsair Vengeance LPX 3000 and it is working perfectly with the Profile 2, running at full speed, no issues with the MSI B450 Tomahawk and Ryzen 7 2700X.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: shemgwapo on 18-October-18, 07:53:46
hello i just built my 1st amd pc, my question regarding memory is, will this memory work on a b450 gaming pro carbon ac mobo?

https://www.teamgroupinc.com/en/product/night-hawk-rgb-night-hawk-ddr4 

https://www.teamgroupinc.com/en/product/xcalibur-rgb-ddr4.

its ram speed is 3466 and 3600, i know that my mobo can only handle til 3466 but will the 3600 work out of the box when i install it? or should i just still with g.skill 3200 ram? the price difference is minimal, just $20.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: ostapblender on 30-October-18, 23:08:37
Hi! I have a relatively stupid question: what 1 | 2 | 4 DIMM means in QVL for X470 boards? Is that just the indication of how many modules in the kit or it's telling something more?

For example, CMK32GX4M2C3000C15 has two checkmarks on it. If at some point later I'll buy the same exact kit to double my memory and fill all 4 slots, is it expected to work or not?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: miklet on 01-November-18, 00:40:43
you are correct! it references the number of sticks of RAM installed. 1 stick=1 DIMM
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: rasit_v on 19-November-18, 10:32:56
I followed this thread since march 2017 but has been away the past 6 months so i was hoping someone could share some "new" information about my issue and safe me hours of research.

I'm running this setup and since the beginning and cannot get above 2667 MHz without issues.
AMD Ryzen 7 1700X      
MSI X370 Gaming Pro Carbon
MSI GeForce GTX 1060 Gaming X 6G
Corsair Vengeance LPX CMK16GX4M2B3000C15

Questions:
1) Any safe way to get memory above 2667 MHz?
2) Is there a safe bios update (mine is from 09/20/2017)?

Thanks in advance.

(http://i66.tinypic.com/2helyme.jpg)
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 20-November-18, 00:43:56
Please do NOT use white text. Leave it as default. Otherwise I have to edit the post to see it because I don't use the default (absolutely crappy and horrible) theme for the forums.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 20-November-18, 01:04:34
'm running this setup and since the beginning and cannot get above 2667 MHz without issues.
AMD Ryzen 7 1700X      
MSI X370 Gaming Pro Carbon
MSI GeForce GTX 1060 Gaming X 6G
Corsair Vengeance LPX CMK16GX4M2B3000C15

Questions:
1) Any safe way to get memory above 2667 MHz?
2) Is there a safe bios update (mine is from 09/20/2017)?

Thanks in advance.

Any of the BIOS's posted should be safe for your board at this point. Some might be better than others.

I would go ahead and try updating to V1J and see how it plays out. Maybe it'll work better for you. It seems some other users with Corsair based memory saw better compatibility with the newer versions as well.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: rasit_v on 20-November-18, 11:11:33
Thanks!

Could not download the latest bios because its redirecting to live update which does not work for me, but managed to update to a previous version and went from 26ghz to 2933ghz. Let see what it does.

About the white font. I could not read my own message for some reason so i changed to white :s
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 20-November-18, 14:17:19
Thanks!

Could not download the latest bios because its redirecting to live update which does not work for me, but managed to update to a previous version and went from 26ghz to 2933ghz. Let see what it does.

About the white font. I could not read my own message for some reason so i changed to white :s

The easiest thing to do is to highlight/select all your text, and click on the "A" with the minus symbol in the toolbar above the box. That removes ALL formatting from the selected text and makes it default. That's what I do. It's the second to last icon in the bar on the right. :)
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: horvath.dave11 on 07-December-18, 09:20:33
I would like to find it out that a msi x370 gaming carbon motherboard a ryzen works 5 2600-al and a gskill ripjaws F4-3200C16D-16GVKB you are 3200 MHz at least 2933 mhz? On the support list the motherboard acts but on the website of the gskill no.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: talrest_u on 13-December-18, 06:03:06
Maybe you can use only default. Because some ram (not always) not stable for overclock. You can get blue screen errors.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: digitalsanpedro on 15-December-18, 03:48:59
I'm researching for a motherboard, and three MSI motherboards are in my running.  I'd like to buy memory on the QVL if possible (don't want to be bummed out), but right now the website isn't showing any compatible RAM when I go to the support page for it (using Firefox):
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/X470-GAMING-PRO#support-mem-3

FWIW, I'm interested in B450 Gaming Plus, B450 Tomahawk, and x470 Gaming Carbon.  The RAM I have in my cart as of now is Patriot Viper 4 GBX2 PV416G320C6K.  It will probably be paired with 2700x or and overclocked 2600. Any help would be appreciated it.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: perling83 on 15-December-18, 23:33:38
Now i have 4 x 4GB  on a MSI B350 GAMING PLUS

Gskill F4-2400C15D-8GNT 1.2v

But only work if i make the Ram voltage to 1.3v why is it so ?

And it works on oc to 2666mhz
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: dbergstrand on 17-December-18, 02:29:11
I'm researching for a motherboard, and three MSI motherboards are in my running.  I'd like to buy memory on the QVL if possible (don't want to be bummed out), but right now the website isn't showing any compatible RAM when I go to the support page for it (using Firefox):
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/X470-GAMING-PRO#support-mem-3

FWIW, I'm interested in B450 Gaming Plus, B450 Tomahawk, and x470 Gaming Carbon.  The RAM I have in my cart as of now is Patriot Viper 4 GBX2 PV416G320C6K.  It will probably be paired with 2700x or and overclocked 2600. Any help would be appreciated it.

I am myself tomorrow buying the X470 Gaming Plus, Ryzen 2700 with the same Patriot Viper 4 PV416G320C6K as you have.

I was lucky enough to be able to check the list on what ram was compatible with Ryzen 2700 before the list Comp Ram (https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/X470-GAMING-PLUS.html#support-mem-14) was wiped clean... That specific Patriot ram is compatible! :)
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: bmaka3234 on 18-December-18, 17:56:43
B450M Bazooka + Ryzen 3 2200G

I just received some Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 CMK16GX4M2B3000C15 sticks from Best Buy.  

They're on the QVL but my particular version (5.32) is not.  Do you guys think I'm going to run into any issues?


(https://i.imgur.com/50Dwv3K.jpg)
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 19-December-18, 00:38:40
B450M Bazooka + Ryzen 3 2200G

I just received some Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 CMK16GX4M2B3000C15 sticks from Best Buy.  

They're on the QVL but my particular version (5.32) is not.  Do you guys think I'm going to run into any issues?


(https://i.imgur.com/50Dwv3K.jpg)

They'll most likely work OK.....but may not get the rated speeds. Instead of 3000, you might only get 2933 or possibly only 2667 MHz.

But will the computer boot? Probably.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: bmaka3234 on 19-December-18, 03:00:55
They'll most likely work OK.....but may not get the rated speeds. Instead of 3000, you might only get 2933 or possibly only 2667 MHz.

But will the computer boot? Probably.

I'd be perfectly fine with 2933 but 2667 would be disappointing.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: miklet on 19-December-18, 17:05:24
My opinion is that the improved spec shown by the newer revision plus the latest AMD chipset firmware and MSI BIOS applied to your board will run at 2933 using the XMP2 profile. Maybe higher yet using the "memory try-it" feature with higher voltages. When using just two sticks of RAM on my older MSI X370 board I have a rock solid 3466 out of 3200 rated speed. The X470 board is using two unmatched sets of 3200 speed. Best stable performance is 2933. I hate a blue screen while playing games. So I am more interested in my gaming rig being solid. Personally I am quite pleased with MSI and Corsair. This AMD journey has been fun and educational.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: lochiaelzora on 29-December-18, 15:12:10
Hello, i have buy a 450bm bazooka (micro atx) motherboard with ryzen 2200g and i want buy (from amazon Canada) the memory Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 DRAM 3200MHz (CMK16GX4M2B3200C16W)

But when i watch the compatiblity on the msi website it s compatible with
Memory by Rx-2x00G/GE
Memory by Rx-2x00

But he is write CorsairCMK16GX4M2B3200C16W ver4.31 (???)
And what is the difference beetween side single and dual ?

(https://zupimages.net/up/18/52/muw8.png)


(https://zupimages.net/up/18/52/ydj2.png)

Tanks
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: ipman1 on 30-December-18, 00:52:13
Hi,
Spec:
I have Ryzen 7 1700 3,8Ghz
MSI PC Mate B350
Adata XPG Z1 Gold 3000 CL16 8gb + Goodram IRDM X 3000 CL16 8gb in dual mode OC to 3200Mhz.  Work perfect.
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Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: RemusM on 30-December-18, 13:49:21
Adata XPG Z1 Gold 3000 CL16 8gb + Goodram IRDM X 3000 CL16 8gb in dual mode OC to 3200Mhz.  Work perfect.

Glad to hear, but that's bad practice and a bad idea anyway.
:nono:
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: ipman1 on 31-December-18, 03:08:37
No, its a test about Goodram compatibility, life time warranty, and europe manufacutre. Goodram use most Nanyna dram modules.
Not bad pratice, motherboard manufacture have consider various ram sumpliers, and be sure to customer can put any DDR4 module in motherboard when by sing to by XPM comp. You have Goodram modules in suport list, but what about newest modules? We need wait 1,2 or 3 years to put on it.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: yzmy88 on 31-December-18, 05:53:26
you are correct! it references the number of sticks of RAM installed. 1 stick=1 DIMM

So is that mean if it has 4 slots then i can only install 1 stick of ram per channel.

In my case i would like to install the module of 8gb X 4sticks of ram, the total capacity is 32gb, so i cannot install all of 4sticks, but can only install 2 sticks of 8gb instead ? Which the capacity only limited to 16gb

(http://i67.tinypic.com/2whl5kl.jpg)
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: RemusM on 31-December-18, 10:53:27
Not bad pratice, motherboard manufacture have consider various ram sumpliers, and be sure to customer can put any DDR4 module in motherboard when by sing to by XPM comp.

As general rules:
1) Never mix memory modules. Always use factory matched kits.
2) don't overclock (to 3200) memory modules rated (already overclocked) to 3000.
They were rated to 3000 because those chips failed certain 3200 tests.
;-))
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: theblacksmith1995 on 10-January-19, 17:36:14
Guys... is AX4U320038G16 -BRS the same as AX4U320038G16-SRS? the different is BRS and SRS. is it a big deal? btw, my mobo support the BRS model.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 10-January-19, 23:43:56
Most likely it will be fine. It probably deals with the color.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: RemusM on 21-January-19, 13:29:38
The 1st message of this topic is about AMD Ryzen 1XXX processors.
Talking about Ryzen 2XXX processors, here are the guaranteed speeds:
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: user00 on 24-January-19, 05:04:08
Current Setup:
Motherboard:  x470 Gaming Pro with latest BIOS
RAM:  G.Skill Trident Z 3200 F4-3200C14D-16GTZ
XMP Profile automatically runs at 3200 with no issues

Considering replacing the 2x8GB sticks with a 2x16GB kit, the G.Skill Sniper X model:  F4-3200C16D-32GSX (http://www.gskill.com/en/product/f4-3200c16d-32gsxkb)
Just curious if anyone has had any success with the non-AMD branded Sniper X (Hynix IC).
Thanks!
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: user00 on 05-February-19, 21:48:06
Yup, the G.Skill Sniper X model:  F4-3200C16D-32GSX (2x16GB) kit works with XMP profile (autodetect) on Gaming Pro x470.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: jroundk6 on 20-February-19, 13:36:31
I have a MSI X370 Gaming Plus motherboard with a Ryzen 2600

As there was a good deal on this 32GB RAM set the other day I purchased it

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07HP84MP1?tag=22

Ballistix BLS4K8G4D30BESBK 32 GB Kit (8 GB x 4) DDR4 3000 MT/s (PC4-24000) CL16 SR x 8 Unbuffered DIMM 288-Pin Memory

The issue is it seems stable if I have 1, 2 or even 3 of the sticks in (24GB) but as soon as I put the 4 sticks in the board becomes very unreliable, sometimes it will POST, other times not, even if it does POST then Windows 10 freezes at the spinning circle even after a clean installation.

I have tested the sticks individually in all the slots and they passed memory checks so a bit confused now, latest BIOS is installed too.

Should these be fully compatible with the X370 Gaming Plus or should I send them back to Amazon and purchase something else?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 21-February-19, 23:00:52
I have a MSI X370 Gaming Plus motherboard with a Ryzen 2600

As there was a good deal on this 32GB RAM set the other day I purchased it

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07HP84MP1?tag=22

Ballistix BLS4K8G4D30BESBK 32 GB Kit (8 GB x 4) DDR4 3000 MT/s (PC4-24000) CL16 SR x 8 Unbuffered DIMM 288-Pin Memory

The issue is it seems stable if I have 1, 2 or even 3 of the sticks in (24GB) but as soon as I put the 4 sticks in the board becomes very unreliable, sometimes it will POST, other times not, even if it does POST then Windows 10 freezes at the spinning circle even after a clean installation.

I have tested the sticks individually in all the slots and they passed memory checks so a bit confused now, latest BIOS is installed too.

Should these be fully compatible with the X370 Gaming Plus or should I send them back to Amazon and purchase something else?

Stock settings? Or overclocked? Or what?
Honestly, they should work fine.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: jroundk6 on 22-February-19, 14:36:56
I have tried several CMOS clears without success just to ensure they were running at stock but still the same issues (BIOS reports them running as 2400MHZ without any tweaking applied)

Sometimes the BIOS will only recognise 16GB, sometimes Windows will show 32GB but 16GB usable, but most of the time just a full lock up before it even gets to Windows so not quite sure what is going on :(
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: solosortie on 01-March-19, 02:40:19
I have not read every post here but i feel like the bios version has a lot to do with memory compatibility.  I have a B-450 A PRO mobo and i have had my tightest ram timings on version 7B86vA3 (the one that introduces sata hotplugging).  The 2 more recent bios revisions wont post with the timings and frequency i had on version 7B86vA3... even loosening the timings did not help. Was running at 3400mhz but now only 3200.  3333mhz does post and seems fine but i dont like the odd number so we are at 3200mhz with slightly modified timings.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232731   -  its a g.skill 3600mhz cl19 kit. 

also running a 2600X cpu.

and i thought ALL ryzen CPUs are dual channel memory only atm. Why do we want to run 4 sticks of ram when it is not really optimal?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: artur.aragao on 05-March-19, 05:02:28
Dear,

I'm looking for memories that will close 32GB and 64GB settings for the MSI X370 XPOWER GAMING TITANIUM. Could someone help me? I'm looking for compatible memories that can work at frequencies up to 3200 MHz. In 2 banks or 4 banks.
Preference for Corsair or other memories that have LED system.
Unfortunately the current list of memory compatibility for the 1st generation Ryzen is half outdated and outdated. There are no memories with combinations of 32GB and 64GB. I am a little disappointed with MSI in this information issue.

Thanks for the contributions.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: dracconusg on 20-March-19, 19:01:23
I'm not sure if it's been mentioned, but given the title of this article I'll go ahead, and do so.
I'm currently using an MSI B450 Gaming Plus paired with TeamGroup Vulkan DDR4 2666Mhz 2x8GB Kit and it not only works flawlessly but also overclocks to 3200Mhz with tighter timings without a single hitch even though it's not "officially" supported ram.
I'm sure some of this is due in part to the Ryzen 5 2600 processor since the memory compatibility was expanded with their AGESA code, but either way it's a notable mention since the kit is cheap, single-rank dual channel and performs QUITE well given the Hynix chips that are installed on it.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: user00 on 27-March-19, 03:28:12
Yup, the G.Skill Sniper X model:  F4-3200C16D-32GSX (2x16GB) kit works with XMP profile (autodetect) on Gaming Pro x470.
For those that might be having trouble tweaking their RAM - came across two good reads.

TLDR:  Download and run the DRAM Calculator for Ryzen (now at v1.4.1).  The MSI BIOS will let you set everything you need manually that might make it more stable and perform better than the XMP auto settings.

Detailed write-up:  https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Ryzen_Memory_Tweaking_Overclocking_Guide/ (http://https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Ryzen_Memory_Tweaking_Overclocking_Guide/)
DRAM Calculator Tips: :  https://www.overclock.net/forum/27694284-post3363.html (http://https://www.overclock.net/forum/27694284-post3363.html)

If you don't know your specific RAM type or whether it's Single/Dual Rank, you'll need another utility.
Thaiphoon Burner, Freeware:  http://www.softnology.biz/files.html (http://http://www.softnology.biz/files.html)

I was able to take the Sniper X model above and it works fine with the "Fast" settings and the performance benchmarks confirm it.

Hope that helps someone.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: veganfanatic on 01-April-19, 00:24:20
Because the entire MSI forum is bloated with topics related to AMD Ryzen CPUs and B350 motherboards.

1) The XMP (overclocking) profiles have been designed by Intel for the Intel CPUs.
They are not even guaranteed by Intel to work on any Intel CPU.
Trying to make them work on the AMD CPUs is gambling.

2) At these moment these are the memory configs & speeds guaranteed by AMD for their Ryzen CPUs:
1866 MHz for 4 DIMMs in dual channel and dual rank.
2133 MHz for 4 DIMMs in dual channel and single rank.
2400 MHz for 2 DIMMs in dual channel and dual rank.
2666 MHz for 2 DIMMs in dual channel and single rank.
Anything above that is gambling.

:beerchug:

Don't tell that to my CPU with DDR4-2800 with 4 sticks of single rank RAM installed
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: Nichrome on 01-April-19, 01:19:36
Don't tell that to my CPU with DDR4-2800 with 4 sticks of single rank RAM installed
That's the guaranteed speeds RemusM relates to... :rolleyes:
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: ssathubongdem on 05-April-19, 20:44:52
i have X570 gaming plus with ryzen 2700x but when i try to enable A-XMP my PC restart several times (4-5 times) before boot normal and only 2133 on windows
i'm already try with 2400mhz - 2933mhz range in bios but same result any idea to increase speed i know it hard to go over 3000 but 2933 is nice for me even 2666.
my ram is gskill tridentz F4-3200C16D-16GTZB with 2A and 2B slot
im also tried with dram calculator with safe but get black screen and need to clear CMOS 
(https://i.imgur.com/GefPJvn.jpg)
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: lilsaf44 on 22-April-19, 20:15:33
I have the two different sets of corsair kits (total 16gb). so 2x4gb c15 1.35v and the other is the same but c15L 1.36v. Will this cause issues for OCing?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: Nichrome on 22-April-19, 21:01:29
I have the two different sets of corsair kits (total 16gb). so 2x4gb c15 1.35v and the other is the same but c15L 1.36v. Will this cause issues for OCing?
Might cause issues. Mixing RAM is terrible practice.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: NeonFlak on 25-April-19, 16:54:55
Long story short, I have an X470 Gaming Pro Carbon running bios 7B78v28 and a 2700x.  I was using a memory kit that was not on the QVL and was having problems getting it stable at any speed.  I then purchased this kit, F4-3200C16D-32GSX, which is on the QVL.  I have not been able to get this kit stable at any speeds or timings above 2933.  Does anyone have any suggestions?  I did try the ryzen dram calculator, but that gave me worse results than the XMP and Try IT settings in the bios.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: Nichrome on 25-April-19, 17:00:14
Long story short, I have an X470 Gaming Pro Carbon running bios 7B78v28 and a 2700x.  I was using a memory kit that was not on the QVL and was having problems getting it stable at any speed.  I then purchased this kit, F4-3200C16D-32GSX, which is on the QVL.  I have not been able to get this kit stable at any speeds or timings above 2933.  Does anyone have any suggestions?  I did try the ryzen dram calculator, but that gave me worse results than the XMP and Try IT settings in the bios.
According to CPU spec, it can only take 2933MHz, and above is overclock (not guaranteed by anyone).
Might as well be something with your system in general. Open new topic about it, and follow >>Posting Guide<< (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=38822.0)
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: dkosiarz on 03-May-19, 02:28:38
Hello, i have buy a 450bm bazooka (micro atx) motherboard with ryzen 2200g and i want buy (from amazon Canada) the memory Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 DRAM 3200MHz (CMK16GX4M2B3200C16W)

But when i watch the compatiblity on the msi website it s compatible with
Memory by Rx-2x00G/GE
Memory by Rx-2x00

But he is write CorsairCMK16GX4M2B3200C16W ver4.31 (???)
And what is the difference beetween side single and dual ?

(https://zupimages.net/up/18/52/muw8.png)


(https://zupimages.net/up/18/52/ydj2.png)

Tanks

Can some1 answer this? Is side=rank, so single side memories cannot work in dual rank?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: rbleroy91 on 03-May-19, 11:40:45
Hello,
No, Side=/=Rank. "Single" says only that all memory modules are on the same side of the RAM stick. As you can see >>Here<< (https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Memory/VENGEANCE®-LPX-16GB-(2-x-8GB)-DDR4-DRAM-3200MHz-C16-Memory-Kit-–-White/p/CMK16GX4M2B3200C16W#tab-tech-specs):
- CMK16GX4M2B3200C16W is able to work in dual and quad channel modes.
- Corsair announces it is compatible with AMD 300 and 400 (as your B450M Bazooka) series.
Have a good day,
:hat tip:
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: dkosiarz on 03-May-19, 13:02:32
Oh I see, so generally single sided should be faster.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: rbleroy91 on 03-May-19, 13:39:16
Oh I see, so generally single sided should be faster.
Sometimes, but the real intent is design: a single side stick is thinner than a dual sides.
:hat tip:
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: mmmm303 on 11-May-19, 04:38:57
i have a Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200 and x470 gaming plus, I think after updating BIOS to A9 it stopped working at 3200, and only works at 2667. It will restart a few times before booting up into BIOS screen and subsequently win10. There's no instability after that so I don't think it's my other settings.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: rbleroy91 on 11-May-19, 09:57:30
i have a Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200 and x470 gaming plus, I think after updating BIOS to A9 it stopped working at 3200, and only works at 2667. It will restart a few times before booting up into BIOS screen and subsequently win10. There's no instability after that so I don't think it's my other settings.
Please, open your own topic. Describe your configuration including the model names and the previous bios version you used before the update.
See you later,
:hat tip:
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: mmmm303 on 11-May-19, 20:37:46
sorry, after some digging, i believe it's related to me trying to redo the thermal paste and gotten some of the old paste powder into the socket, or CPU pins slightly bent that it doesn't make contact properly. I'll do the cleaning later and post results.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: mmmm303 on 12-May-19, 06:42:54
sorry, after some digging, i believe it's related to me trying to redo the thermal paste and gotten some of the old paste powder into the socket, or CPU pins slightly bent that it doesn't make contact properly. I'll do the cleaning later and post results.
can't find a place to edit the post so I'll post again at the risk of flooding the thread.  Fixed the pins using the method of razor swishing by Jayz2c, now it works perfectly. Memory is back at 3200MHz instead of default 2667MHz. background: I was trying to replace the stock thermal paste, and the CPU got stuck onto the cooler, pulled the whole thing out (which I know i shouldn't do, but I also can't twist the cooler out). Tried the combination of twisting, heating with hairdryer, alcohol soaking, floss and still didn't manage to take the CPU out. In the end I pried it out with a plastic tool (which again I shouldn't do, but that's the last option I have before sawing the cooler in half). Case closed. Guess I learned something new today, I thought the pins were either it boots or no, but this really taught me something new about what each pin does.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: exilecomunity on 31-May-19, 15:09:45
guys ,can you help me?
im new here and trying to build my first PC/RIG with
-ryzen 5 2600
-b450 gaming plus
-gtx 1660 ti 6G ventus OC

is Team T-Force Vulcan RED DDR4 PC24000 3000Mhz 16GB (2x8GB) 16-16-16-36 - TLRED416G3000HC16CDC01 suported fir my build?
if not,then what the best ram for my build at the same prices range?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: darkhawk on 31-May-19, 16:23:33
guys ,can you help me?
im new here and trying to build my first PC/RIG with
-ryzen 5 2600
-b450 gaming plus
-gtx 1660 ti 6G ventus OC

is Team T-Force Vulcan RED DDR4 PC24000 3000Mhz 16GB (2x8GB) 16-16-16-36 - TLRED416G3000HC16CDC01 suported fir my build?
if not,then what the best ram for my build at the same prices range?

For the most part, ANY DDR4 should work fine. You might not get the highest advertised speeds, but it should work and boot up just fine.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: scilvio on 01-June-19, 03:08:32
AMD Ryzen 7 1800X
B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC ( BIOS v1.60 )
2x  Dual Channel Kit - F4-3200C14D-16GTZR - 16GB (8GBx2) single rank - XMP 3200 14-14-14-34 1.35v

my experience :

with 2 sticks i can easly use XMP 3200 profile without touching anything, with 4 sticks the system reboots until autodetect a 1833 ( by speed should be 2133 but whatever... ) using Memory Try It ! i can get a rock solid 2933 14-14-14-34 without touching anything ( all voltages are on auto ) i can even boot at 3200 14-14-14-34 but MemTest86 V8.1 test #6 block move, known for being an excellent test ground for 4 stick stability gives errors.



i don't know if i can get more but i'm satisified for now :)
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: francisduarte on 07-June-19, 22:10:22
hello all .

i have a new pc which have this motherboard MSI   B450M PRO-VDH PLUS

I bought this PC (https://www.pcdiga.com/computador-desktop-pcdiga-gaming-gml-mr5va03) 

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The problem is the PC (windows 10)  have 8GB reserved for Hardware 

..so instead of 16 GB memory i have only 8Gb and  the others are reserved for hardware ....(https://gyazo.com/73d6d34ac6656224895fb77c6e610979.png)
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i try everything (msconfig , change slots memory , etc etc) but the windows don't care to my changes and put always 8GB reserved to Hardware ....

can i do something about this ???



Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: rbleroy91 on 08-June-19, 00:09:45
i have a new pc which have this motherboard MSI   B450M PRO-VDH PLUS
i try everything (msconfig , change slots memory , etc etc) but the windows don't care to my changes and put always 8GB reserved to Hardware ....
Please, open your own topic and we will help.
See you later,
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Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: rexdjohnston on 04-July-19, 22:09:07
AMD Ryzen 7 1800X
B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC ( BIOS v1.60 )
2x  Dual Channel Kit - F4-3200C14D-16GTZR - 16GB (8GBx2) single rank - XMP 3200 14-14-14-34 1.35v

my experience :

with 2 sticks i can easly use XMP 3200 profile without touching anything, with 4 sticks the system reboots until autodetect a 1833 ( by speed should be 2133 but whatever... ) using Memory Try It ! i can get a rock solid 2933 14-14-14-34 without touching anything ( all voltages are on auto ) i can even boot at 3200 14-14-14-34 but MemTest86 V8.1 test #6 block move, known for being an excellent test ground for 4 stick stability gives errors.



i don't know if i can get more but i'm satisified for now :)



This has been pretty much my experience as well.  
07-2019, current bios, 2700x, two sticks of F4-3200C14D-16GVK, I used xmp, 3200 cas14, ran at rated spec 100% with zero issues first try.

Tried two sets of that same ram, which granted were made a few months apart but identical otherwise, no-go at 3200.
I tried relaxing timings, more voltage, etc, no way.  I think got it stable at cas14 stock volts but down at 2933 or so.
Four sticks at high speed tight timings is frequently tricky, so I can accept that.

So I ordered a F4-3200C14D-32GTZSK, same fast cas14 3200 but 2x16gb sticks.
Similar issue, I can fiddle with voltage enough to get it to 3200 long enough to run a few benches in 
windows, but it does weird things, bios lockups, failure to soft reboot, etc.  Ended up at 3000 with rated timings at 
stock voltage.  Even going to 3066 it eventually craps out on memtest.

It's entirely possible there is some combo of relaxed timings and voltage that would
get it back to 3200, or maybe even more since this is the fabled samsung B die ram, 
but I'm sick of screwing with it for now.  

Very strange and a little disappointing considering the money spent.
I know this cpu is only rated for 2933, and 4 sticks, or two sticks, of 32gb total is a lot, but
I imagine I could have just stuck this in some random intel box and it would have been
perfectly fine.  I'm happy to be back on AMD but this wasn't the most pleasant setup of
a new box I've ever had.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: alexanderdejavu79 on 31-July-19, 11:14:35
anyone know settings for corsair 32gb kit 3200 cas 16, samsung chipset to stable at 3600+ speed? thanks in advance
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: alexanderdejavu79 on 31-July-19, 11:27:58
Can x370 asus maximus vi extreme + ryzen 3700x achieved more than 3200mhz memory speed? on the board manual says maxs 3200mhz i'm so confused what to choose if i choose x370  i can get the highest tier but if i choose x570 board i can only afford mid tier board, because the high tier board prize sooo crazy expensive. e.g msi ace cost $450 in my country. 
So if the memory speed run the same i want to choose x370 because i don't need pci-e 4.0. Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: rbleroy91 on 31-July-19, 11:38:00
Can x370 asus maximus vi extreme + ryzen 3700x achieved more than 3200mhz memory speed?
Sorry, on this forum we help only for MSI products!
Have a good day,
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Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: anubis on 04-August-19, 02:53:25
I can't get XMP with my memory kit and Ryzen 3700x:

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MSI MPG X570 GAMING PLUS Gaming Motherboard AMD AM4 SATA 6Gb/s M.2 USB 3.2 Gen 2 HDMI ATX




CORSAIR Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) Desktop Memory Model CMK16GX4M2B3200C16




Can anyone help?
Title: Re: AMD Ryzen memory support
Post by: flobelix on 04-August-19, 17:04:44
Open an own new thread