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Title: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: ildotoress on 19-April-17, 07:53:49
Hi guys,

I would like this thread to be an open discussion related to this B350 PC Mate version.
This board seems to be a Tomahawk without the bells and whistles (like LED nonsense and other not so useful software).

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Latest BIOS available for this board: 7A34vA2 - 2017-04-10

If you have any Beta available please post links here.
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As for me, I have this board arriving in a few days and would like first to get some feedback from those who had the occasion to test it.
I'm interested in memory experiences, OC, temperatures, etc.

My first main question is: is this board compatible with Creative X-Fi Extreme Music PCI card? (this is old PCI not PCIe 1X)
Asking this because I heard someone complaining that Tomahawk did work with X-Fi.

Cheers
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: dziwisz101 on 19-April-17, 11:30:11
Hello
I have the same motherboard with Ryzen 1600x and G.skill Ripjaws V DDR4, 8GB(2x4GB), 3600MHz, CL17 (F4-3600C17D-8GVK). I did't try much oc yet, only I can tell my cpu was't stable on 1,35 and 4ghz.
More problem for me at this moment is RAM, it goes only at 2667MHz 16.15.15.35... Nothing worked for me to go any higher yet, XMP, MSI predefinied profiles, manual settings. I am wondering if not take that RAMs back to store and change them for some memories that are exactly listed on MSI website(my current RAM's are listed but in 16gb version...) I wonder about HyperX Predator DDR4, 2x4GB, 3000MHz, CL15 (HX430C15PB3K2/8) or some lower frequecy 2667 16gb rams. Maybe newer BIOS will fix RAM problem? Unfortunatly I have only few days to give back RAM's...
If I could say anything about sound cards, I only tested my ASUS Xonar DX, which is pcie 1x and worked both pcie 1x and pcie 16x slot, but none PCI device.

Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: ildotoress on 19-April-17, 12:03:43
CPU Ryzen 1600 for me.
My RAM will be CMK16GX4M2B3200C16W (still uncertain of stock as I have to deal with a very cheap shop), which is in the QVL. I think it's important at this time to be listed there.
Also from reading around people only use 16 GB kits with single sided dims of 8GB each for decent results, but nothing is guaranteed. The prices went through the ruff for 3200MHz, but they will go even higher so better buy now what you can find (this is an official prediction from bean counters).

Have you tries with SOC at 1.1V? Also you can increase the DRAM voltage to 1.4V without issues if you have good case cooling.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: dziwisz101 on 19-April-17, 12:57:41
Do you mean SOC in AMD Ryzen Master program, i mean i didn't see that setting in my bios, only on youtube on some asus croshair? I tried 1v, but it didn't help. I am still not sure how does this tool work(only at windows boot?), or change some hidden bios settings, becouse this program askes everytime for reboot after changing RAM settings, and after that it doesnt boot at all.. I try to setup higher voltage on RAM too.

More over the way, how you have to reset bios is bad on this motherboard, i had cheaper 990xa-gd55 which had bottom on the back of motherboard... I dont get it why MSI changed that good thing.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: ildotoress on 19-April-17, 13:25:53
This board does not have IMC SOC in UEFI?
That sounds pretty bad.. :(
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: dziwisz101 on 19-April-17, 17:28:58
No i doesn't has SOC control in BIOS, only cpu, NB, RAM voltage and some analog? control of the way how voltage and amperage is deliveredm about 7 settings with many profiles- although they are very helpfull... there is no information what they exactly do, different betewen profiles...
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: ildotoress on 20-April-17, 09:40:26
OK, in that case it's the NB voltage. Basically this includes the IMC SOC as the north bridge is now in the CPU.
This is safe to raze to 1.15V in theory. What value do you have by default?
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: dziwisz101 on 20-April-17, 23:25:15
The value of NB is around 0,87V. I tried today to change that voltage to higher and to change other settings, but nothing worked for me. This motherboard just doesn't want to boot with higher frequency RAM of mine. Shows everytime blackscreen and CPU,DRAM diods glowing red. I have time to 24 April to give back my memory. I asked MSI support about RAM's suppored list and they claim that all metioned RAM will work at their spec's with no problem. I am still wondering about Hyperx kit I metioned, that it will run higher.

I must say, that list of supported RAM is very poor in range of higher freqency 8gb Rams( 1 compatible kit avaiable in most stores in my area) , from my perspective i have most choice in lower or low frequency 8gb RAM's that are lets say in normal price/acceptable Or high-end, high frequency big capacty kits(who will use such RAM's on this motherboard?). That is not ok in my opinion, especially for this price motherboard
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: bigbluecloud on 21-April-17, 01:38:00
Pitching in my experience over the past two days since I upgraded.

Relevant parts;
Ryzen 5 1600
G.Skill Trident Z (F4-3200C16D-16GTZB) - Currently running @ 2667 CL14-16-16-38 (I know, I know. It's not on the QVL. I misread when purchasing.)
B350 PC Mate on BIOS version 7A34vA2

OC settings;
vCore - Auto
DRAM - 1.36 volts
NB core - 1.1 volts
Retry count (for Auto-Clear CMOS setting) - 2

I used the Memory Try It setting to set the RAM timings and frequency and manually set DRAM and NB core voltages.

When I built the machine it worked OK, using BIOS version A00. Attempting to push the RAM to 2993 or above resulted in an initialisation failure loop (Black screen, no POST, reboot). Other than that it worked fine, CPU-Z benches didn't causes crashes and playing Overwatch showed no issues.

Then I updated the BIOS to the most recent release. Now whenever I do a full shutdown, powering on the computer again makes it do the initialisation failure loop twice before restoring default settings due to the Auto-clear CMOS. No matter what the current profile is, even at default RAM frequency and voltages it does this.
Weird thing is, I can then load a saved OC profile, save changes and reboot successfully and completely stable. So it only happens on a 'cold' boot.

If I remember correctly the default value for NB core on BIOS A00 was 1.0 volts. However when I get into the BIOS after the initialisation failure loop after updating, the BIOS says the NB voltage is 0.864 volts. Could this be the cause of the issue?

I still can't push my RAM above 2667-CL14, but I'm happy sitting on that until future BIOS updates (3200-CL16 is my target). The most pressing issue right now is the initialisation failure loop.
If anyone has any similar experience and potential fixes I'd love some discussion.

Quick update:
Lowered my NB voltage to 1.0 and DRAM voltage to 1.3. All seems stable and running smoothly.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: ildotoress on 21-April-17, 09:46:30
Rumors are saying that next week there will be a new BIOS for Tomahawk, let's hope this will also be valid for PC MATE.
What is coming is better compatibility.

AGESA 1.0.0.5 I is planed to arrive in late May and that's a different thing altogether.

As for me, I'm still waiting for the board+CPU to arrive this week, but the memory I had to switch to CMK16GX4M2B3200C16R which will take another week... It's still listed in the QVL nut it's not Samsung B-die as listed there. Corsair do change their IC from one version to another of the same KIT.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: dziwisz101 on 21-April-17, 11:31:58
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Quick update:
Lowered my NB voltage to 1.0 and DRAM voltage to 1.3. All seems stable and running smoothly.
You mean only the problem with boot loop or you also fixed RAM?
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: bigbluecloud on 21-April-17, 22:37:19
You mean only the problem with boot loop or you also fixed RAM?

Neither, I was more making a note that I didn't need to have my voltages that high.
However I did solve the boot loop problem by rolling back my BIOS to version A1. I had to set the RAM frequency and timings manually but it boots up first go now. Haven't tried a higher frequency and will probably wait for future updates before I do.

Also found a couple of other things;
- Resuming my PC from sleep mode causes a BSOD (BIOS version A1 & A2, A0 untested). Anyone else experienced this?
- HPET setting is available in BIOS A1 (I think it's in A0 as well) but not in A2
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: dziwisz101 on 22-April-17, 11:38:10
Your NB voltage is in normal range, i have same and no issues with this. Maybe try to run computer with only 1 memory bank? And try manually set it at 2133mhz with higher timings, also check maybe if you put togheter everything  right, if your battery bios is in correct position, cpu fan is occupied by cpu fan, try also to disable option called smth like: autoclear CMOS after failure. When you have that problem with loop, whar diods are lighting on your motherboard?
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: thomas.prioul on 22-April-17, 20:13:24
I just installed this MB with a Ryzen 1700X and two 8GB sticks of Corsair CMK16GX4M2B3200C16.
It's not on the list but the CMK16GX4M2B3200C16W & CMK16GX4M2B3200C16R are, and that last letter is just for Red/White.
The list says it goes to 3200 MHz, but I couldn't go above 2677 with the latest BIOS.
Anybody successful with going up to 3200 MHz?
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: dziwisz101 on 22-April-17, 23:39:54
It seems that for now rather not many people got luck with more than 2667mhz, at least on not metioned RAMs by MSI, very similiar on other b350 motherboards. Did you try every configuration-XMP,Memory try it, manual configuration?

 If you did (and there is only color difference, not some underneath, like different memory chips)  then it would mean that MSI in my opinion was't fully honest when was putting this RAM list on webiste. Or maybe the "color have meaning"- i don't know how it work, but I assume that maybe programist just put every supported RAM name to motherboards BIOS, and only difference in last letter in code name makes it not running... 



By the way I don't understand, why those BIOS's for pcmate, or tomahawk, and probably other similar boards are so poor in OC settings,I mean voltage like SOC wihich seems to help in RAM stability or just RAM timings. My last 4 years old motherboard 990XA-GD55 for Phenom II 965 BE was about very same price like those B350 and had more options, I could if I want change I know? lets say 25 timings settings for RAM, now only 5-6? Why only high(est) price boards got more settings now, I don't know. And I had aslo BIOS reset bottom on back of PC, now I must on this board take my specially modyfied pencil with jumper :) and try to target BIOS reset point between my 2,5 slot graphic card and music card in pcie 16x, which isn't easy without light, everytime when something goes wrong...
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: bigbluecloud on 23-April-17, 01:57:00
Your NB voltage is in normal range, i have same and no issues with this. Maybe try to run computer with only 1 memory bank? And try manually set it at 2133mhz with higher timings, also check maybe if you put togheter everything  right, if your battery bios is in correct position, cpu fan is occupied by cpu fan, try also to disable option called smth like: autoclear CMOS after failure. When you have that problem with loop, whar diods are lighting on your motherboard?

Everything looks to be in the correct position and installed properly. Having flashed to the older version of the BIOS I've got no problems now, so I think the new version of the BIOS has a few bugs to do with the Ryzen 5 support.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: thomas.prioul on 24-April-17, 08:49:52
Rumors are saying that next week there will be a new BIOS for Tomahawk, let's hope this will also be valid for PC MATE.
What is coming is better compatibility.
AGESA 1.0.0.5 I is planed to arrive in late May and that's a different thing altogether.

Just got an answer from MSI support for my RAM. I will test with only one stick tonight and see how it goes.

"
Dear ThomasPrioul,

 Thanks for contacting MSI technical support.

 Regarding your concern,in this case,we suggest you just install one ram and adjust the DRAM frequency manually for a try.in addition,we will release VA30 BIOS.Please check it.Thanks!

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B350-PC-MATE.html#down-bios (https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B350-PC-MATE.html#down-bios)

 Thanks for your cooperation in advance!

 Best Regards,

 MSI Technical Support Team
"
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: ildotoress on 24-April-17, 11:00:55
If you still have that case open can you also ask them if in this new BIOS there is a fix for Creative SB0460 on PCI (not express) that makes the board not post?
Pretty please! :)
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 24-April-17, 13:19:53
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=283344.msg1615507#msg1615507
VA.32 is available there.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: dziwisz101 on 25-April-17, 11:17:34
Have anyone try this beta BIOS? Is there some imptovment for RAM compatybility for you? I ask becouse i am little too afraid to update beta BIOS- you know you can be wrong with this only once :)
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: christopherriddell12 on 25-April-17, 13:17:04
Have anyone try this beta BIOS? Is there some imptovment for RAM compatybility for you? I ask becouse i am little too afraid to update beta BIOS- you know you can be wrong with this only once :)

I'm running it and seeing no improvements.

My setup

MB: MSI B350 PC Mate
CPU: Ryzen 1600
RAM 8GB DDR4 2400 Kingston HX424C15FBK2/8
GFx: RX 460 4GB
SSD: SSDNOW UV400
All stock bios settings

I'm seeing some pretty bad system slow down's and even freezing. anyone else have this?

Example:
1) Playing Wurm Unlimited, euro truck simulator 2 and etc I'm getting alot of frame drops/stuttering when moving around even when setting the games settings to the lowest quality.
2) In windows 10 (latest update) I'm seeing UI lag with things taking awhile to load/pop up even task manger the icons for the software take awhile to show up.
3) Had the whole system freeze a couple times once while watching Netflix the other when I ran CPU-Z bench
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: ildotoress on 25-April-17, 13:21:27
Have you installed and selected AMD's custom "balanced plan"?
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: christopherriddell12 on 25-April-17, 13:23:26
Have you installed and selected AMD's custom "balanced plan"?

No what do I need to install?
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: ildotoress on 25-April-17, 13:31:52
You can find more details here, including a direct donwload link : http://hexus.net/tech/news/cpu/104368-amd-releases-custom-balanced-power-plan-ryzen-users/
Do you have the latest 1703 Windows 10 build?
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: christopherriddell12 on 25-April-17, 13:38:39
You can find more details here, including a direct donwload link : http://hexus.net/tech/news/cpu/104368-amd-releases-custom-balanced-power-plan-ryzen-users/
Do you have the latest 1703 Windows 10 build?

Installed the power plan made no difference.

Yes I'm running windows 10 1703 build.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: ildotoress on 25-April-17, 14:32:38
Do a Clear CMOS, go to Bios and load default, reboot and see what happens.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: ildotoress on 26-April-17, 09:22:54
Tonight I'm finally going to do my build with some borrowed RAM as mine still did not arrive.

I have one question related to the fan control system:
There are two ways of controlling, direct voltage and PWM (where the control wire is used instead of only the voltage one).
Is it possible to select PWM for CPU fan and Direct control with full 12V (full rpm) for all Sys_Fans?
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: christopherriddell12 on 26-April-17, 09:55:47
Do a Clear CMOS, go to Bios and load default, reboot and see what happens.

Update after clearing the CMOS

So far have not had anther full system freeze but have noticed some smaller system freezes eg: I scrolled down on a web page or open some software the computer freezes (sounds still play fine if I have sound playing) for 2 seconds then jumps back to life, but seems to be random when it happens but happens often enough to still be noticeable.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 26-April-17, 11:49:34
Generally speaking, we find that for flashing the BIOS it is best to load defaults prior to the flash, as well as right after flashing. This will help resolve any quirks that may arise before and after the flash. 

As far as the slowdown issues that you are seeing, it's difficult to say. I would probably investigate and monitor the CPU's frequency and see what it's doing during those slowdowns. Maybe the frequency is dropping to some very low value for some strange reason.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: thomas.prioul on 26-April-17, 21:05:43
If you still have that case open can you also ask them if in this new BIOS there is a fix for Creative SB0460 on PCI (not express) that makes the board not post?
Pretty please! :)

Hi, I asked about your problem in my reply.
I couldn't make my RAM go to 3200 MHz, even with one stick, as advised by MSI. Waiting for that new BIOS to be stable now...
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: christopherriddell12 on 26-April-17, 23:32:15
Ran a stress test on the system that spits out some good charts, the vcore voltage drops and CPU clock (3rd chart) fluctuates wildly. does any of this look normal for a stock system (no OC) 

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B99cARK8CDnVZnY4LTBzVTJSU0U



My setup

MB: MSI B350 PC Mate
CPU: Ryzen 1600
RAM 8GB DDR4 2400 Kingston HX424C15FBK2/8
GFx: RX 460 4GB
SSD: SSDNOW UV400
PSU: 650watt
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 27-April-17, 00:18:38
Ran a stress test on the system that spits out some good charts, the vcore voltage drops and CPU clock (3rd chart) fluctuates wildly. does any of this look normal for a stock system (no OC)

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B99cARK8CDnVZnY4LTBzVTJSU0U



My setup

MB: MSI B350 PC Mate
CPU: Ryzen 1600
RAM 8GB DDR4 2400 Kingston HX424C15FBK2/8
GFx: RX 460 4GB
SSD: SSDNOW UV400
PSU: 650watt

I wouldn't say it fluctuates wildly....you're talking about +/- 200 MHz, so 400 MHz after minute 3. I don't really think that's too concerning.....
What is concerning is the VIN12 and how much that drops over time. And the VCore does drop, but it's weird how it drops at around the 2 minutes 40 seconds mark. That's about the time when the VIN12 drops below 0.65V or so. 

The voltages definitely seem to be playing a part here. 

What power supply do you have? manufacturer and model # exactly?
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: eduardo.quiroga001 on 27-April-17, 00:46:36
i have 2x 8gb corsair 3200 ddr4 ram and a 1700x everything's been running fine but i have the red gpu led on idk how to to get rid of it what could it be. im no expert in this being my first computer build.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 27-April-17, 00:55:39
i have 2x 8gb corsair 3200 ddr4 ram and a 1700x everything's been running fine but i have the red gpu led on idk how to to get rid of it what could it be. im no expert in this being my first computer build.

That RED LED indicates that you are NOT using an iGPU (integrated GPU). It's perfectly normal for it to be on if you are using a discrete GPU.
None of the Ryzen CPU's at this time include a built in GPU, so it'll pretty much always be on.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: eduardo.quiroga001 on 27-April-17, 01:00:08
Hh ok awesome, what a relief thank you :)
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: christopherriddell12 on 27-April-17, 01:23:27
I wouldn't say it fluctuates wildly....you're talking about +/- 200 MHz, so 400 MHz after minute 3. I don't really think that's too concerning.....
What is concerning is the VIN12 and how much that drops over time. And the VCore does drop, but it's weird how it drops at around the 2 minutes 40 seconds mark. That's about the time when the VIN12 drops below 0.65V or so.

The voltages definitely seem to be playing a part here.

What power supply do you have? manufacturer and model # exactly?

PSU is a Thermaltake Toughpower 80+ Gold 650W TPD-0650M
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 27-April-17, 02:00:01
PSU is a Thermaltake Toughpower 80+ Gold 650W TPD-0650M
To me, it looks like your supply is having issues keeping up with the system when it gets loaded heavily.....

Well...... See : https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/631048-psu-tier-list-updated/

Going by that list, it sits at around a Tier 4 supply.....

I stand by Seasonic. Pretty much ANYTHING they sell (ie anything they brand and sell) is pretty good (as long as you pair the right wattage with your system).

I recently bought a X-series 650W supply and it's running great for my i7 4770k @ 4.3 GHz and a GTX1080. More than likely, that supply will do you better. That's a Tier 1 rated supply, and it only runs in at about $120 on Amazon. Not too bad for a power supply of that quality.

I personally always tell people, if you're going to spend $800 on your system, or more (ok, probably closer to $1200), why would you buy a $50 power supply to give it all power?

Long story short, use the list above as a guideline. Find a supply from a good maker that is listed above (I would stick to Tier 1 and 2 if you plan to do ANY overclocking at all, and for a general machine for gaming even the Tier 3's are probably just fine......any lower I would probably just stay away from in general). 

That's my general thoughts in regards to it.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: christopherriddell12 on 27-April-17, 02:04:10
To me, it looks like your supply is having issues keeping up with the system when it gets loaded heavily.....

Well...... See : https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/631048-psu-tier-list-updated/

Going by that list, it sits at around a Tier 4 supply.....

I stand by Seasonic. Pretty much ANYTHING they sell (ie anything they brand and sell) is pretty good (as long as you pair the right wattage with your system).

I recently bought a X-series 650W supply and it's running great for my i7 4770k @ 4.3 GHz and a GTX1080. More than likely, that supply will do you better. That's a Tier 1 rated supply, and it only runs in at about $120 on Amazon. Not too bad for a power supply of that quality.

I personally always tell people, if you're going to spend $800 on your system, or more (ok, probably closer to $1200), why would you buy a $50 power supply to give it all power?

Long story short, use the list above as a guideline. Find a supply from a good maker that is listed above (I would stick to Tier 1 and 2 if you plan to do ANY overclocking at all, and for a general machine for gaming even the Tier 3's are probably just fine......any lower I would probably just stay away from in general).

That's my general thoughts in regards to it.

Damn just got this supply and it ran $130 gotta love Australia :/ I though in an antec 550W supply I had laying around and got pretty much the same results in the test. as I linked to before.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 27-April-17, 04:12:41
Yeah. I'm not as familiar with what is available in AUS, as I'm in the US.

All I can say is that I've almost always spent as much on a power supply as I do on a large storage drive.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: christopherriddell12 on 27-April-17, 04:41:29
Yeah. I'm not as familiar with what is available in AUS, as I'm in the US.

All I can say is that I've almost always spent as much on a power supply as I do on a large storage drive.

someone on anther forum said it's possible the reporting of some of the sensors might not be correct as the temp shows lower in OCCT then it does in Ryzen Master. but resetting the bios and using ryzen master on profile 1 with the speed set to 3400 MHz OCCT charts give a solid CPU Clock and vCore voltage.  (but the VIN12 still drops down but maybe wrongly reported as with that much of a drop you would think the program or windows would start to become un-responsive?)
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: ildotoress on 27-April-17, 09:47:36
I've finally installed my system. I've went through VA2 and then to beta VA32 just to have a stable point of return.
I am happy to say that the system boots and adding the Creative SB0460 did not create any problems.
I will install the OS tonight and see how it goes.

Also I've asked MSI if they can implement a solution for that idiotic red LED when you have no integrated GPU.

Now for the white LEDs, which I did not know existed, is there a way to permanently disable them and not use any bloatware software like Mystic light?
Or disable it and then uninstall the application, will it stay off?

PS. the post time is normal now, no more 30 seconds lag, pretty pleased with this VA32. I will start OC testing in the weekend.

Later edit: BIOS VA3 final is now available: https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B350-PC-MATE.html#down-bios
Changes in this version: - Improved memory compatibility.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: dziwisz101 on 27-April-17, 15:37:11
I have updated this BIOS and after all tricks I know i coudnt't still go any higher than 2666mhz on RAM ;-(( No change at all, also I got first time freeze in deafult bios settings, when try to exit the hardware monitor, after fan tune... Fortunetly all OC profiles are intact and at least for now my OC profile for 3950 Ryzen seems stable for short prime test as was before update.(I was tuning RAM with no OC on CPU).

I am still waiting for update that will fix my G.Skill Ripjaws V DDR4, 8GB(2x4GB), 3600MHz, CL17 (F4-3600C17D-8GVK), I would be so grateful if MSI/AMD would do that.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: christopherriddell12 on 27-April-17, 22:05:07
Anyone whos updated to bios VA3 does MSI control center just freeze as soon as you open it now for you?
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: bigbluecloud on 28-April-17, 02:45:29
Updated to BIOS A3 from A1, pretty much the same. Can't push RAM above 2667Mhz CL14, BSOD after coming out of sleep mode. No boot loop like I was having on BIOS A2, so that's a plus.

Not sure what else has changed. At least it isn't crashing I guess.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: ildotoress on 28-April-17, 12:28:13
Anyone whos updated to bios VA3 does MSI control center just freeze as soon as you open it now for you?
Same here, no solution. I just can't use it now.


I received my RAM CMK16GX4M2B3200C16R and I can say that even if  it's in the QVL it doesn't work at 3200MHz. It does work only at 2933 with A-XPM2 or Try it @ 14-16-16-36.

What is very strange is that OC from BIOS does not apply in the OS, at all. Meaning that voltage and RAM setting are just as set in BIOS but CPU multiplayer will never go to what I set in BIOS.
I've installed the latest AMD drivers with AMD optimized power plan, but no luck.

Has anyone encountered this behavior? (I've also disabled C&Q and auto boost)
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: ildotoress on 28-April-17, 17:40:59
I reflashed my Bios and this issue dissappeared. Guess it wassn't doing the full clear CMOS.

Now, one interesting question, is there a way to still enable some sort of function similar to C&Q?
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: dziwisz101 on 28-April-17, 20:48:07
I am using now C&Q with no problem with latest BIOS, but you must be sure to enable this setting in BIOS, and set in windows energy plan like balanced. In my case i see CPU-z Q&C makes in IDLE  the 2200mhz rom 3950mhz
More over after some testing, opening new tabs in MSI command center, I have't got any freeze. At least I am using 3.0.0.19v, I am downloading the 3.0.0.20v of that program.

Anyone whos updated to bios VA3 does MSI control center just freeze as soon as you open it now for you?

OMG...
I have just installed the 3.0.0.20v msi command center, and have same problem :bonk:
I just dont't get it. People I know this is new platform, but if they put on website the 4th BIOS and still some people like above on newest BIOS are reporting that they can't set their RAM  listed on QVL on supported speed, then they upload the program for this motherboaed that was working and now isn't( I assume that somebody was testing it before uplading...) then something is not good...
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: ildotoress on 28-April-17, 21:07:36
OK, so you have OC, but is it on auto voltage?

I use manual frequency of 3800, manual voltage of 1.250V and obviously if I choose C&Q on or off it makes no difference. It's glued at 3800.
Also if you install the latest AMD chipset driver from AMD (not MSI) it installs AMD balanced profile.

Funny part is that even with all on auto, only memory on Try-it, it still stays at 3.4 idle and when only 2 cores are used it goes to 3.7

I have a Rayzen 1600 which should default to 3200 but it does not even at 100% full load on Prinem 95, it only goes 3.4 or 3.7 (with 1/2 cores active).
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: dziwisz101 on 29-April-17, 08:55:38
No I was setting RAM on 1,35v, without CPU OC and energy saveing options in bios, I was trying all configurations with XMP, memory try it and manual settings with voltage i said, NB rised to 1,2v/1,1v and thigher timings then auto timings and with timings said by the G.skill. But to luck with any of this with higher frequency on RAM than 2666. More over I can set manually only 3200mhz max, how you can set 3800 manually if BIOS rather not allow that with manual mod?
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: ildotoress on 29-April-17, 09:46:17
I was talking about CPU frequency only. RAM will never change frequency and does not have Q&C.
 For the RAM it's clear, we need to wait for new microcode from AMD. MSI even if they list my RAM in QVL at 3200 it's basically the older version 4.xx with Samsung ICs, not the new one 5.xx with Hynix, that I have (so basically we are talking about to different models even if Corsair say it's the "same").

What I want to get, ideally, is a way to keep CPU OC to 3.8 but also have some down clock automatically controlled function for idle situation.   Even if it will nor decrease the voltage but at least it could decrees the multiplayer and you would still save energy and heat waist.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 29-April-17, 13:45:59
I was talking about CPU frequency only. RAM will never change frequency and does not have Q&C.
 For the RAM it's clear, we need to wait for new microcode from AMD. MSI even if they list my RAM in QVL at 3200 it's basically the older version 4.xx with Samsung ICs, not the new one 5.xx with Hynix, that I have (so basically we are talking about to different models even if Corsair say it's the "same").

What I want to get, ideally, is a way to keep CPU OC to 3.8 but also have some down clock automatically controlled function for idle situation.   Even if it will nor decrease the voltage but at least it could decrees the multiplayer and you would still save energy and heat waist.

As has been discussed all over the internet....going into OC-mode disables quite a bit on the CPU. 
If you can't at least overclock to the maximum XFR frequency of a single core for your CPU, you're basically trading single core performance for multi-core performance.
See : https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/ryzen-strictly-technical.2500572/

As far as down-clocking, I'd say this is more a software issue (Windows/Linux) than a BIOS or motherboard issue.
See :https://www.amd.com/system/files/2017-03/AMD-Ryzen-Processor-and-AMD-Ryzen-Master-Overclocking-Users-Guide.pdf (https://www.amd.com/system/files/2017-03/AMD-Ryzen-Processor-and-AMD-Ryzen-Master-Overclocking-Users-Guide.pdf)
Look at page : 13

If you disable cool'n'quiet, you disable ALL ability to downclock, even through software.
When you go into OC-mode, it is possible to go to lower pstates, but only when request through software.
What does this mean? Windows needs to request those lower pstates in order for it to go into them.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: dziwisz101 on 29-April-17, 15:48:11
So if you are asking about overclocked CPU and you want also to have it's get lower when computer is doing nothing it just like i said up up^ At least it is the way it works for me with no problem. 
1 I have enabled  C&Q, Overclocked CPU by 3950mhz with manual vcore by 1,3625v, then 
2 i have drivers installed from AMD not MSI
You enable balanced energy plan in windows, and you can see then that in CPU-z it is automaticlly slowing down frequency in IDLE mode.
There is no difference much in voltage, it my configuration it idle its about 1,35 and when cpu is loaded it jumps to 1,360/1,368(for very shot times)


BTW if somebody reading this. When I got Phenom II 965 BE since about 4-5 years I could read that if you disable the all unnecessery CPU featuers in BIOS like C&Q, virtualization etc. your OC on CPU will be more stable, or this options can destabilze you OC, I always was doing that and after oc tryed to again enable this options and i have never got any problems after that and the same applies with OC'ed Ryzen in my opinion ofcourse. So I belive that that's all the myth, and it's rather not worth to disable this option in first place.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: ildotoress on 29-April-17, 18:19:01
Thanks for the details darkhawk (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?action=profile;u=205023), that was a good and informative read (and still ongoing).

@dziwisz101
Well you are describing my exact setup that I am running now (with slight value adjustments but same options):
-CPU: 3800
-CPU Voltage: 1.250V
-NB Voltage: 1.050V
-Bost Core: Disabled
-C&Q: Enabled
What might be different is RAM in Try-it: 2933@14-16-16-36 and 1.36V, but this does not influence the CPU idling down.

Now, I only installed the AMD drivers launched two days ago that include the AMD Balanced plan. There is no more "normal" Balanced plan available.
Running it like this there is basically no change in frequency what so ever. It's glued to 3800 no matter of the load, if any.

I don't understand why it behaves differently than yours.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: dziwisz101 on 29-April-17, 22:56:12
You know, after my experience with computers there can be 1000 possibilitis in fact :). But to exclude some of them, in my opinion you must check the basics. First I would check if this isn"t just the problem with the system, like there is maybe some program, process, antyvirus or anything, becouse there is possibilty that something is using your CPU whole the time, try to check with windows build in program the Resource Monitor if something is using CPU, or maybe task menager will be enough. Secend thing that come to my mind is that there can be some bug with for example your latest drivers, I mean I am still using the drivers I downloaded about 12/13.04.17 maybe your latest AMD drivers have some kind of bug like the latest MSI command center that freeze at startup ;).  You can try also to disable all CPU featuers in BIOS exept C&Q and multithreading. Or last thing, Which Windows version you are using? Maybe the problem is that for example you are not using 10 as me now.
BTW i have my RAM manually set for now with 1.35v, 2666mhz, 14.13.13.28 timings-smth like that, becouse as I remeber the BIOS's memory try setting has too loose timings.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: ildotoress on 30-April-17, 09:09:46
I am using Win 10 1703 with latest updates.
There is no load in idle, like 0.4% max.
Will need to do more investigation.

Maybe some other users can share their observations on this too.

PS. I found the orginal Win10 Balanced plan (not the AMD one) but still no change.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: ildotoress on 30-April-17, 17:19:40
Hi,

I guess I figured it out partially.
The new Ryzen Balanced plan is more similar to Performance. Meaning that there is no more core parking and the minimum processor state is now 90%. Basically this prevent the CPU from going to P1 or P2 from P0 (which is full power).
What can be done is to keep this so that you avoid core parking and avoid any performance hit, but edit the minimum CPU state from 90% to what ever you like.
I used 20% and now it stays at 100x15.5=1550MHz in idle.
The voltage is stable at the value set in BIOS: 1.250V with drop of 0.010v= 1.240

Every time you use even one thread at 100% all cores will go to 100% (as there is no more core parking).

These are my current observations. Please feel free to share yours.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: luinator on 30-April-17, 18:48:35
Hi,

i also got the B350 PC MATE along with the Ryzen 5 1600, but my CPU voltage and VID seems to be way too high (1.376V at idle). I have all settings on Auto/Default, except for the memory.

When I'm using the Ryzen Balanced power plan, the VID also is set to 1.550. Is this just a reading error?

(https://abload.de/img/hwmontior_voltage0dll2.png)


System:
AMD Ryzen 5 1600
MSI B350 PC Mate, BIOS 7A34vA3
ADATA XPG 16 GB 2400MHz @ 2993, 1.36V
Windows 10
PSU: Be Quiet! Straight Power 10 400W

Edit: With Windows Balanced power plan everything seems fine, but total power consumption is only 4 watts lower. I'll still stick to that for now.
I also noticed some buzzing noises coming out of my speakers when on the Ryzen power plan, how is that even possible? It disappears when switching to the Windows power plan.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 30-April-17, 19:05:06
I wouldn't worry about VID too much. It's basically the minimum voltage needed to make the CPU work on any (even a very very poor) motherboard, if I remember correctly.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: bigbluecloud on 01-May-17, 06:38:31
Just an FYI for people keeping an eye on this discussion.

Came back from not using my PC for a few days, got the same boot loop issue again. Rolling back to BIOS version A1. Seems I spoke too soon about that issue being fixed. Pretty sure I had tested a cold startup, but I guess not.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: dziwisz101 on 03-May-17, 22:07:08
Quick update about MSI command center 3.0.0.20. It's strange but it works just fine after PC restart, only on the same session as instalation it freeze.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: erolozyagci on 04-May-17, 11:12:25
I tried to up date my MB's bios with live up date app. today. After it complated the flushing, pc resetted but couldn't load the bios. I think i am in trouble now. Unplugged the bios battery and waiting for a while. I am not if this will solve the problem. İf anyone have an idea, please help. Kind Regards.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 04-May-17, 11:32:35
Well.....

As I've said many times to many people....the MSI Live Update app is great in theory, but somewhat poorly executed. 
I don't trust any app to automatically update my BIOS on any system. Rarely do I find that they work well.
So here's my recommendation. You'll probably have to either send the board in for an RMA or flash it with an SPI programmer of some kind. I won't get into detail about the SPI programmer, simply because it's long-winded and I'm going to assume you won't have the technical expertise to do it.
If you want to RMA the board, see : >>How to contact MSI.<< (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=107326.0)

The other part of this is I would uninstall MSI Live Update. Realistically, you're not going to be updating most of the drivers often. Once it 'works', I'd leave it alone until it doesn't work for whatever reason. The only driver that really ever needs to get updated is your GPU driver. And most gamers are pretty used to updating that manually (or through their included updaters) at this point. The GPU is basically the only critical driver that you should need to update.

As far as BIOS? MFlash is much safer, and we provide BETA BIOS's here via the beta bios thread for AM4 platforms.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: ildotoress on 04-May-17, 12:28:20
If your BIOS flash failed you can attempt to recover it if you know the previous version that was on your system (right before you went through the process that failed).
You will need to format a USB stick to FAT32, copy on it that "prior working" BIOS and boot the PC with it. It should give you a recover message.
I don;t have direct hands on experience as it did not occur to me, but you can google around and find multiple threads on this.

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Now, one update on my Power plan settings.
After installing HWinfo I found out that the frequency scaling is not on all cores tied together, as I assumed wrongly based on CPU-Z observation. In fact the core that is working will go to full speed but this core is not bound, meaning that the core that goes to full speed jumps around randomly from core to core.
I guess that is the way it was designed to work...

I do have a new issue now:  My Post is defaulting to my TV connected by HDMI instead of my monitor connected to DVI.
Why is this? It's completely illogical. Only monitors have DVI, not TVs. TVs are in general on HDMI. It should be by default to DVI is DVI is connected and active.
Does anyone know how I could change this? (I don't want to unplug the HDMI cable each time I need to go into BIOS as it's absurd)
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 04-May-17, 14:16:26
Usually it's a function of the GPU and how it's setup to initialize the ports on the card.
I believe that normally DP > HDMI > DVI > VGA, but I'm not 100% certain on that order.

You could try disconnecting the HDMI, booting with just the DVI once or twice, then connecting the HDMI and seeing if that helps resolve the issue.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: ildotoress on 04-May-17, 14:36:08
I already did that. No success, every time I connect the HDMI it goes to the TV.

The funny thing is that the Video card is also MSI, a GTX 1060 Armor OCV1. :)
And it did not do this until I changed the MB. I had it for several months prior to this, and used it with the exact same connections and previous MB: Gigabyte 970. 
So it's the new MSI MB that triggered this behavior not the Vcard.

PS. it should default to DP->DVI->HDMI->VGA. DVI is only for monitors and it doesn't exist on TVs, HDMI is for TVs so it should be lower in the priority.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: erolozyagci on 05-May-17, 12:24:42
Well.....

As I've said many times to many people....the MSI Live Update app is great in theory, but somewhat poorly executed.
I don't trust any app to automatically update my BIOS on any system. Rarely do I find that they work well.
So here's my recommendation. You'll probably have to either send the board in for an RMA or flash it with an SPI programmer of some kind. I won't get into detail about the SPI programmer, simply because it's long-winded and I'm going to assume you won't have the technical expertise to do it.
If you want to RMA the board, see : >>How to contact MSI.<< (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=107326.0)

The other part of this is I would uninstall MSI Live Update. Realistically, you're not going to be updating most of the drivers often. Once it 'works', I'd leave it alone until it doesn't work for whatever reason. The only driver that really ever needs to get updated is your GPU driver. And most gamers are pretty used to updating that manually (or through their included updaters) at this point. The GPU is basically the only critical driver that you should need to update.

As far as BIOS? MFlash is much safer, and we provide BETA BIOS's here via the beta bios thread for AM4 platforms.
Thanks for your answer.Well,learning something new everyday.You are complately right about MFlash and MSI Live Update App.I have deleted my bios and had to take it to the service.There,They installed the last version bios vs flash disk.I don't know how they did it but it's ok now.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 05-May-17, 12:44:13
Thanks for your answer.Well,learning something new everyday.You are complately right about MFlash and MSI Live Update App.I have deleted my bios and had to take it to the service.There,They installed the last version bios vs flash disk.I don't know how they did it but it's ok now.

Good! Glad you got it sorted out.....

I personally really hate the MSI Live Update utility. You really have no idea how many times we get users coming in here going "I use MSI Live Update and it updated the bios and now my computer won't start...."
I wish they would remove the option to flash the BIOS through it, it would help solve about 50% of the problems with have with the program.
And, in all honesty, usually there is almost no reason to do a BIOS update unless it's on a non-mature product (like the new X370/B350/A320 series). But even then I would leave that up to the user.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: ildotoress on 06-May-17, 07:12:56
One intersting thing I've observed the last two days: there was a process running when system in idle named MsiDDRsomethingsomething. This was in fact producing a load of abot 9%. I could close it but it would reappear.
After searching a bit around it did occur to others in the past. First solution recommanded was to uninstall MSI CommandCenter so I did.
Will monitor to see if it appears any more.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: dziwisz101 on 08-May-17, 20:39:49
Hello again
Maybe somebody of you has informations if MSI is going to release any more BIOS updates to this board? Or how do you think? I recently checked that it's true that NB Voltage is indeed the SOC voltage on MSI motherboards, but still after tuning the all voltages and timings, no luck with my RAM to go above 2667MHz :(
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 08-May-17, 20:51:32
See : https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=283344.0 (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=283344.0)
It has BETA bios and release BIOS links.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: ildotoress on 09-May-17, 05:20:41
I already did that. No success, every time I connect the HDMI it goes to the TV.

The funny thing is that the Video card is also MSI, a GTX 1060 Armor OCV1. :)
And it did not do this until I changed the MB. I had it for several months prior to this, and used it with the exact same connections and previous MB: Gigabyte 970.
So it's the new MSI MB that triggered this behavior not the Vcard.
So I got an answer from MSI support that is basically of no help... they replied to put both monitor and Tv in miroring in Nvidia control pannel.
Which is basically stupid, as I need them in extended mode as I've used them for the last 10 years.
Is there any other way to get some real support from MSI so I can see the POST on my monitor?!?
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: ildotoress on 10-May-17, 18:19:36
I've tried everything I found on the web:
- deleting the registry keys for the existing monitors (did struggle a bit with the rights and was only able to do it with 3rd party application);
- unplugging the TV, uninstalling drivers, cleaning any files left from drivers, installing back drivers only with monitor connected and then adding the TV
- playing around in NVCP and Windows display settings
But nothing worked, every time I connect the TV it becomes POST device.

This is really frustrating, and can be easily fixed by MSI... starting to get really disappointed by this company.

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LE: Found the problem aster searching the web for several hours: It's the Windows WHQL option in the Uefi. I put it to Disabled and like by magic now the POST display is again my monitor and not the TV.
As I have installed Win 10 with GPT and in Uefi mode this is not an issue for me so I can keep it as is. I was also not using secure bot, so no problem that it got disabled as it's a sub-setup.

This is something MSI should have known and offered through support... but hey, at this rate we will get better than them anyway :))
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 10-May-17, 19:39:58
I've tried everything I found on the web:
- deleting the registry keys for the existing monitors (did struggle a bit with the rights and was only able to do it with 3rd party application);
- unplugging the TV, uninstalling drivers, cleaning any files left from drivers, installing back drivers only with monitor connected and then adding the TV
- playing around in NVCP and Windows display settings
But nothing worked, every time I connect the TV it becomes POST device.

This is really frustrating, and can be easily fixed by MSI with a custom BIOS for the VGA but they don't want to reply to my open case... starting to get really disappointed by this company.

And it's a fairly common problem. A quick google search confirms that.....

Most OEM's don't provide a custom BIOS tailored to what you want. In fact, as far as I'm aware there's only 1 that will even consider doing that at this time.

Playing around with Windows settings isn't going to change how the card works though. Not during boot-up.

Your best hope to make it simpler would be to use adapters to make the monitor go on first using either the DP, DVI, or HDMI, and then use either DVI or VGA for the TV.

That's really the best I can suggest. Outside of contacting MSI directly via : >>How to contact MSI.<< (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=107326.0)
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: ildotoress on 10-May-17, 20:05:21
That's really the best I can suggest. Outside of contacting MSI directly via : >>How to contact MSI.<< (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=107326.0)
Well, that was pointless, as I mentioned above, MSI direct support is useless.

Please also read my "later edit" part as I found the solution, and this was a thing MSI should have known about.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: peter_br on 15-May-17, 10:22:25
Hi, I just flashed the new bios 7A34vA4 with Improved memory compatibility.
I was very happy to see there were 2 new items in dram configuration, one being advanced timing configuration and another misc item.
However there is nothing to configure there?
My memory will still not go higher than 2933 Mhz so what is the deal here?

(https://s8.postimg.org/d9l7t46kl/MSI_Snap_Shot.jpg)
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 15-May-17, 11:36:11
Hi, I just flashed the new bios 7A34vA4 with Improved memory compatibility.
I was very happy to see there were 2 new items in dram configuration, one being advanced timing configuration and another misc item.
However there is nothing to configure there?
My memory will still not go higher than 2933 Mhz so what is the deal here?

(https://s8.postimg.org/d9l7t46kl/MSI_Snap_Shot.jpg)

As have been discussed many times.....AMD requires specific timing for the memory. The OEM's don't have control over much of that timing. In particular, the command rate is required to be 1T. Most memory is made for timing at 2T. I'd be willing to bet the kit you have is specified as 3200 MHz at 2T. However at 1T it's a different story.

Not only that, but you have to take into account the quality of your CPU. Just because it might overclock the clock speed well, doesn't mean the IMC will overclock well. As it stands, anything higher than 2667 MHz is overclocking the IMC, and it isn't guaranteed. Not by AMD, nor is it guaranteed by MSI or Asus or Gigabyte. 

2993 MHz is pretty good, realistically, for memory that isn't designed for Ryzen. There's users who can't get more than 2400 MHz on similar kits of memory.
Until AMD releases an update to OEM's with the ability to change the command rate, most likely you'll be stuck at 2933 MHz with that memory.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: peter_br on 15-May-17, 14:17:19
Thanks for the info, I was aware of that.
Still I would love to know why there is nothing to configure in advanced timing configuration.
Is this the case with all boards and this bios or is it just in my case?
And what would there be to configure?
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 15-May-17, 15:19:12
Thanks for the info, I was aware of that.
Still I would love to know why there is nothing to configure in advanced timing configuration.
Is this the case with all boards and this bios or is it just in my case?
And what would there be to configure?

It is probably a placeholder for new features to be added on the next BIOS.
A few boards have that, from what I remember, and nothing in them right now.
Wait another week or two and hopefully the next beta BIOS will drop and give more options.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: peter_br on 15-May-17, 15:28:01
Allright, thanks again!
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: dziwisz101 on 15-May-17, 17:01:23
I also have this new BIOS and this 2 new not active options (what's the point of putting something not working into new BIOS version if it will myabe work in next version? I don't know.) Anyway I still can't go any higher on this board than 2667mhz with my G.skill ripjaw V 3600MHz, no improvment for me since 7A34vA2 BIOS.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: badboy2k on 15-May-17, 17:13:42
I also have this new BIOS and this 2 new not active options (what's the point of putting something not working into new BIOS version if it will myabe work in next version? I don't know.) Anyway I still can't go any higher on this board than 2667mhz with my G.skill ripjaw V 3600MHz, no improvment for me since 7A34vA2 BIOS.

they probably just forgot to remove the options from the release BIOS as they are working on them still! you think that inbetween BIOS versions they are doing nothing? they are probably fleshing out them 2 options before they go active and the view of them was just left in by mistake so you are getting a glimpse of a upcoming feature as they did not take them out of the layout!
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: ildotoress on 16-May-17, 19:17:50
I've installed on my rig the new V40.
For me, there was no change. Still unable to get 3200 no matter the timings or voltage, even with 18-20-20-20 @ 1.4V RAM and 1.1 NB.
But I can't complain with 2933@14-16-16-36 -1.35V and 1.05V for NB.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: fordentertainmentgr on 22-May-17, 05:20:27
Guys my overclock runs great but resets after boot. Then I need to hit default. Save. Then back in to overclock and reboot.  Then do it all again after booting up the following day. What can I do?
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: ildotoress on 22-May-17, 07:25:25
First try a clear CMOS. Load into BIOS and click on load Optimized defaults. Boot up, restart, and then try the OC again from BIOS.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: jrbloodmist on 23-May-17, 00:15:32
(http://i.imgur.com/gKrwFan.jpg)
i so wish there was a away to turn off this LED :D
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 23-May-17, 00:18:03
i so wish there was a away to turn off this LED :D

Get some black electrical tape and tape over it discreetly....no one will notice then. :P

They might be changing the BIOS to allow the user to turn that LED off, or have it turn off if a discrete GPU is also detected, but I'm not certain. Just something I might have heard....
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: dziwisz101 on 24-May-17, 17:38:11
After the latest BIOS update 7A34vA4, my computer with OC on CPU become unstable with enabled cpu feature Cool & Quiet, it restore itself it as disabled option in BIOS, or system doesnt boot and gets BSOD, or doesn't load-black screen with mose pointer. Disableing Q&C heals my computer immediatly :undecided:
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: peter_br on 25-May-17, 17:38:05
Hi, I updated bios to beta 7A34vA51 
I'm very pleased to see the change in available memory timing options especially command rate setting
At auto command rate sets a value of 1 which does not allow anything above 2966 Mhz
I got my memory up to 3333 Mhz from 2966 Mhz at command rate 2
Unfortunately fan control is buggier than ever settings just won't stick also I have the feeling these settings are not saved in oc profiles
though I think they should!
Still I'm glad we're making progress!!!
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: rubic_net on 29-May-17, 19:24:48
I just order the B350 PC Mate, i hope that ill have it in a week or so. Should i update  to the lastest BIOS from the begining or i must do it gradually from the 1st version to the last?
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: mr.raider2 on 29-May-17, 19:54:21
I just order the B350 PC Mate, i hope that ill have it in a week or so. Should i update  to the lastest BIOS from the begining or i must do it gradually from the 1st version to the last?

You can just install the latest firmware.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: jrbloodmist on 04-June-17, 00:58:05
So any progress with the new BIOS's that AMD release to Manufactures ? just wondering if anyone's heard anything :) thanks  
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 04-June-17, 01:23:49
So any progress with the new BIOS's that AMD release to Manufactures ? just wondering if anyone's heard anything :) thanks  


See : https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=286937.0 (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=286937.0)
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: legion28 on 06-June-17, 02:03:05
They might be changing the BIOS to allow the user to turn that LED off, or have it turn off if a discrete GPU is also detected, but I'm not certain. Just something I might have heard....

I sure hope this is true. The red clashes horribly with every other color I have going on in my setup.

All I want is AGESA 1.0.0.6 and to turn that light off, and I will be SO happy.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 06-June-17, 02:41:42
I sure hope this is true. The red clashes horribly with every other color I have going on in my setup.

All I want is AGESA 1.0.0.6 and to turn that light off, and I will be SO happy.

My understanding is that with the latest BETA BIOS, it automatically turns off when either an iGPU or a discrete GPU is installed. 
You can find that in the BETA BIOS section in the AM4 BETA BIOS thread.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: zorz on 06-June-17, 09:44:22
Flashed Beta v51 BIOS and my Corsair Vengance 2x4GB Kit working like a charm at 3066MHz (I don't need more up ;))
Just memory clocked from TryIt! option from BIOS ;)
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Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: legion28 on 07-June-17, 00:00:42
My understanding is that with the latest BETA BIOS, it automatically turns off when either an iGPU or a discrete GPU is installed.
You can find that in the BETA BIOS section in the AM4 BETA BIOS thread.

I'll be patient for a little while longer for the stable BIOS release, but I do appreciate the news.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 07-June-17, 00:14:50
I'll be patient for a little while longer for the stable BIOS release, but I do appreciate the news.
Just because it's a "BETA" doesn't mean it isn't stable......

Most people have been getting VERY good results with the beta bios's now. I would give it a try anyway. :)

My B350 Gaming Plus is running the latest BETA (based on the same BIOS as your PC Mate's BIOS) and it's been going great. I'm typing this reply from it actually. :)
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: zorz on 07-June-17, 03:00:12
I think my spectation from this BIOS are great for now!
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: benss.lesmana on 07-June-17, 04:05:35
Hi, I'm new to the forum.
I would like to ask, is 20 seconds boot to bios normal on B350 PC Mate?
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: zorz on 07-June-17, 04:36:04
Something similar to me...
But, with new  (Beta) v51 BIOS boot time is shorter.
Try it, nothing to loose!
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 07-June-17, 04:45:45
Hi, I'm new to the forum.
I would like to ask, is 20 seconds boot to bios normal on B350 PC Mate?

20s is around the right time.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: benss.lesmana on 07-June-17, 04:52:11
Something similar to me...
But, with new  (Beta) v51 BIOS boot time is shorter.
Try it, nothing to loose!

20s is around the right time.

Thanks for the reply, definitely will try the beta bios.
I'll report if there's any improvement in bios booting time.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: zorz on 07-June-17, 05:06:48
I think it's a good job with Beta A51 BIOS.
Go that way and it would be great!
<3
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: benss.lesmana on 07-June-17, 13:48:27
I've just updated the bios to A51.
Seems that there's 2-3 seconds improvement on cold boot to bios. I've tested it several times for consistency.
Not impressive but promising.

Is the boot time similar to other AM4 board? or just this one?
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: zorz on 07-June-17, 14:08:08
Little by little.
"That's one small step for a man, but one giant leap for a mankind."...
;)
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: rubic_net on 07-June-17, 17:29:59
Can we with the new beta bios to disable the iGPU Led?
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 07-June-17, 17:31:47
Can we with the new beta bios to disable the iGPU Led?

The latest BETA BIOS should automatically disable the GPU LED whenever an iGPU or discrete GPU is installed.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: benss.lesmana on 07-June-17, 17:46:37
The latest BETA BIOS should automatically disable the GPU LED whenever an iGPU or discrete GPU is installed.

Yes, I can confirm on this.
The iGPU LED turned off using the beta bios.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: christopherriddell12 on 08-June-17, 05:32:55
Anyone tried the latest beta VA.52 ?

https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=283344.msg1615507#msg1615507
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: benss.lesmana on 08-June-17, 08:19:07
Anyone tried the latest beta VA.52 ?

https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=283344.msg1615507#msg1615507

Was it just released today?
I didn't see it yesterday.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 08-June-17, 11:30:55
It was released yesterday, but later in the morning. All the 7A34 boards got a new update. (so tomahawk, tomahawk arctic, gaming plus, PC Mate)
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: benss.lesmana on 08-June-17, 13:31:35
Just tried the VA52 bios.
I don't see any difference noticeable.
Boot performance similar to VA51.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 08-June-17, 15:00:54
Just tried the VA52 bios.
I don't see any difference noticeable.
Boot performance similar to VA51.

Not every bios is going to have major changes. Given how quickly these 2 were released within each other, most likely it won't have huge changes that impact performance.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: zorz on 11-June-17, 06:14:29
Just to report that my Corsair Vengeance working like a charm on 3200MHz 16-18-18-36 1T on PC Mate with v51 Beta BIOS (not yet flashed v52).
Only problem i have with v51 is Fan speed from BIOS.
Set it to Silent but when i switch on the PC it is setted at some high walues an i must reset it from BIOS manually.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 11-June-17, 13:57:20
Just to report that my Corsair Vengeance working like a charm on 3200MHz 16-18-18-36 1T on PC Mate with v51 Beta BIOS (not yet flashed v52).
Only problem i have with v51 is Fan speed from BIOS.
Set it to Silent but when i switch on the PC it is setted at some high walues an i must reset it from BIOS manually.

That is actually a 'feature' from MSI that they haven't documented.....(I've spoken to them about it)
They will ramp the fan up if the memory is overclocked past 2750 MHz because in their experience it generates more heat and they want to be 'safe'....

I definitely told them that they need to document things like that, as the user will see it as a bug and not a 'feature'.....
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: migoya68 on 12-June-17, 04:25:06
Hey guys I do install my new MSI B350 PC MATE with Ryzen 5 1600 and running the cd drivers installed all the utilities including Command Center but when I open the Command Center got a message said my main board do not support this application. Can anyone help or tell me if this app don't work with this motherboard? Thanks in advance
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 12-June-17, 05:05:26
Hey guys I do install my new MSI B350 PC MATE with Ryzen 5 1600 and running the cd drivers installed all the utilities including Command Center but when I open the Command Center got a message said my main board do not support this application. Can anyone help or tell me if this app don't work with this motherboard? Thanks in advance

See : https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=283828.0 (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=283828.0) for a good version of Command Center.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: zorz on 13-June-17, 07:07:39
Ok. Let's go like a undocumented option...

So, is there any way to implement option in BIOS to turn OFF white LED light on the board edge?
There is MSI app Mystic Light but it turns off when boot to windows... It should be a way to turn off completely?!

TNX
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 13-June-17, 11:24:05
Ok. Let's go like a undocumented option...

So, is there any way to implement option in BIOS to turn OFF white LED light on the board edge?
There is MSI app Mystic Light but it turns off when boot to windows... It should be a way to turn off completely?!

TNX

At this time, no. The only way to control the LED's is via the Gaming App or mystic light, as far as I'm aware.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: Techno Style on 14-June-17, 17:59:23
I have a problem with sound chipset of this motherboard.
My graphics card is defective and I RMA it. Ryzen CPU and this mobo doesn't have GPU and my older GPU doesn't compatible with Windows 10.
So I'm using my 10 years old Win XP built PC right now. 
I recognized that my 10 years old motherboard has far BETTER sounding. 
B350 PC MATE has newer Realtek chipset. This old mobo has older Realtek...
Also my old mobo doesn't have japanese capacitors, golden jacks, it isn't isolated from other components etc. etc. So it doesn't have these make-it believe features but it sounds absolutely far better with the very same Logitech X-530 speakers. Basses are richer and the general sound is FAT.

I changed Windows 10 settings. (For example, disabled all effects etc.) That way it is better but not like my old mobo. 
Also sound driver is up to date. (At least next to last. Okay...)
Absolutely disappointed right now.  

Any advice ??
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 14-June-17, 20:56:35
Get a good PCI/PCIe/USB sound card.

Personally, I hate all on-board sound, it sounds absolutely terrible.

I love my Asus devices, they sound absolutely great. I have an Asus Xonar U3 USB sound card and an Asus Xonar Essence STX. Both of which are now like 5 to 8 years old and still sound great, and have drivers for every OS out there.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: rydec92 on 15-June-17, 06:21:08
Hi, I  just bought MSI PC Mate B350 and currently on 52 beta bios. Able to run my 8gb corsair value select ram on 2933Mhz passing memtest86.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: rubic_net on 15-June-17, 16:49:58
My B350 PC Mate & R5 1600 is up and running! Ok as all u mentioned it takes long to post. Thats my only real problem. I upgraded the bios to the latest version and my RAM modules (HX432C16PB3K2/16) run at 3200mhz. I didnt oc anything, i want to check the systems stability first. Im using the stock cooler which is exellent for its price (zero price ;P).

Only one question: as i cant install and run msi gaming app because my platform doesnt support it how can i switch the m/b light off?

EDIT: ok you dont have to answer my stupid question, i installed the "mystic light" and i switched the led off.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: airekele on 18-June-17, 18:14:49
hi
will this ram GEX416GB3200C16ADC work at 3200 with this mobo?
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 18-June-17, 19:46:16
hi
will this ram GEX416GB3200C16ADC work at 3200 with this mobo?

Maybe. Maybe not. It is probably a gamble.
It will most likely work at 2400 no issues.
Probably work at 2667 with no issues.
Might work at 2933 with no issues.
It could work at 3200 with no issues.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: rubic_net on 19-June-17, 09:54:17
@airekele     My ram kit (hyperX predator) runs at 3200 but not using the xmp profile. You can set the timings manually and the voltage.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: rydec92 on 20-June-17, 07:38:31
Does this motherboard have USB 3.1 gen 2 ? The specification only show 4 USB 3.1 gen 1 but B350 should have 2 gen 2 and 2 gen 1. Typo :noidea: ? or MSI dint enable it ? Don't have USB 3.1 gen 2 device to test with :sad:.

EDIT: https://www.kitguru.net/components/motherboard/luke-hill/msi-b350-tomahawk-am4-motherboard-review/11/
seem like B350 on MSI does not have 10Gbps USB 3.1 :nooo:.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: ron.kasugano on 20-June-17, 17:28:44
Does this mobo support NVMe drives in m.2 slot? I would like to know if i could use my Corsair mp500 as a boot drive.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: peter_br on 22-June-17, 09:43:04
Yes this board does support nvme drives in m2 slot I have a samsung 960 evo works like a charm!!!
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: yukinohoujou on 27-June-17, 13:19:40
I just flashed the latest (at that time, being the 6.27.17, beta bios VA53 and according to AIDA, it still uses A.G.E.S.A 1.0.0.4a. Anyone got any idea when MSI will add A.G.E.S.A 1.0.0.6?. BTW. my non certified G.Skill Aegis 3000MHz ram runs happily at 2800MHz and can probably go higher too, even without the latest A.G.E.S.A microcode. Happy Ryzen camper here :D
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: legion28 on 27-June-17, 16:44:17
I just flashed the latest (at that time, being the 6.27.17, beta bios VA53 and according to AIDA, it still uses A.G.E.S.A 1.0.0.4a. Anyone got any idea when MSI will add A.G.E.S.A 1.0.0.6?. BTW. my non certified G.Skill Aegis 3000MHz ram runs happily at 2800MHz and can probably go higher too, even without the latest A.G.E.S.A microcode. Happy Ryzen camper here :D

AIDA is misreporting. The beta BIOS is using 1.0.0.6. It should report the correct value in the stable release.

Speaking of which, it's really past time for a stable BIOS AGESA 1.0.0.6 release.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: yukinohoujou on 27-June-17, 17:09:54
Oh, great. So we do have the latest AGESA code with thr VA53 BIOS. I was using AIDA64 v5.92.4300 btw. which is the latest version at this moment. There isn't even a newer beta AIDA version. I guess they just assume it's AGESA 1.0.0.4a if it's that, or newer. That could explain why my uncertified,or rather maybe now certified RAM is running as well as it is. BTW, are there any other tools besides AIDA that can check which AGESA version you're using?
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 27-June-17, 17:15:39
Oh, great. So we do have the latest AGESA code with thr VA53 BIOS. I was using AIDA64 v5.92.4300 btw. which is the latest version at this moment. There isn't even a newer beta AIDA version. I guess they just assume it's AGESA 1.0.0.4a if it's that, or newer. That could explain why my uncertified,or rather maybe now certified RAM is running as well as it is. BTW, are there any other tools besides AIDA that can check which AGESA version you're using?

The easiest thing to do is just ask.....cause I would know. And yes, it is using 1.0.0.6.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: benss.lesmana on 29-June-17, 12:12:19
Any major changes on the VA53?
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 29-June-17, 12:43:43
Any major changes on the VA53?

Nothing TOO major.......
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: airekele on 30-June-17, 17:56:44
cant boot my GEX416GB3200C16ADC at 3200 even with beta bios
seems like xmp doesnt work so i just tried to set freq
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: particleaccelerator13 on 01-July-17, 08:35:29
Motherboard: B350 PC MATE
CPU: Ryzen 1600
Ram: Corsair Vengeance CMK16GX4M2B3200C16 (2x8gb)
Graphics Card: Radeon HD 5000 series (substitute for for a graphics card I am waiting on, runs like a potato)
Bios Version: MS-7A34

I got my PC parts 2 days ago and can't overclock my ram above 2667mhz without it continuously restarting for a while after exiting the bios . I have tried updating the bios to MS-7A34, reinstalling windows 10 and downloading the lastest AMD drivers but nothing changes. I have also tried raising the dram voltage to 1.4 (the highest it lets me), tried all recommended timings, the preset profiles and 'Memory try it'. Anything I am missing that might fix this problem?
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: yukinohoujou on 01-July-17, 16:42:50
Motherboard: B350 PC MATE
CPU: Ryzen 1600
Ram: Corsair Vengeance CMK16GX4M2B3200C16 (2x8gb)
Graphics Card: Radeon HD 5000 series (substitute for for a graphics card I am waiting on, runs like a potato)
Bios Version: MS-7A34

I got my PC parts 2 days ago and can't overclock my ram above 2667mhz without it continuously restarting for a while after exiting the bios . I have tried updating the bios to MS-7A34, reinstalling windows 10 and downloading the lastest AMD drivers but nothing changes. I have also tried raising the dram voltage to 1.4 (the highest it lets me), tried all recommended timings, the preset profiles and 'Memory try it'. Anything I am missing that might fix this problem?
The latest official BIOS is 7A34vA4. The name in your post is just the mainboards name ^^; The latest beta BIOS is 7A34vA53 which has more RAM settings and probably an extended list of certified, working RAM. The way i got my RAM to work is to use the list of RAM settings at a setting called "Try IT!" or something like that, which is probably a precompiled list of settings that most likely will work, with RAM MHz and timings. With the latest beta BIOS, did you try that yet? I got my 3000MHz G-Skill ram working at 2800MHz 16-16-16 CR2, which is ok for me. Good luck
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: particleaccelerator13 on 02-July-17, 04:31:37
Yeah, I was meant to put in vA4 at the end, whoops. In this current bios I can use memory try it, which also only lets me get to 2666mhz at timings 14 16 16 16 34. I will try flashing my bios again with the beta version you were speaking of. Thanks for the response.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: particleaccelerator13 on 02-July-17, 07:54:50
Update: By downloading the new bios update, I am now able to get 3000mhz with recommended timings stable on my ram, however 3200mhz seems to be unstable on boot, sometimes booting after 2 retries, and other automatically resets to default after 5 tries, but is completely stable in stress testing if it works. Probably I will just stick to 3000mhz until it gets more stable. Thanks for the help btw.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: ovics7 on 02-July-17, 21:07:02
hey
i just want ask that, what about boot time with the latest beta bios? is that boot time same as 7A34vA4 bios versions boot time?
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: peter_br on 03-July-17, 19:45:23
Hi, I updated to bios version VA.53 and ever since the baseclock varies more under load than before see screenshot of HWInfo64.
This fluctuation could potentially lead to system instability or even halt the system because of the much higher clocks it results in.
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Picture is hard to read I see.
Host clock goes up to 103.5 Mhz.
CPU clock goes from 3700Mhz to 3830Mhz.
Memoy clock from 1666Mhz to 1725Mhz.
I never witnessed this behaviour in previous bios versions so I thought I should mention this over here.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: zorz on 04-July-17, 03:16:37
Just to report that my new Corsair Vengeance 3000 Red Kit 2x8GB could not pass 2667MHz with any Beta BIOS (nither regular BIOS).
It pass 2667 but as unstable and mobo needs too long time to do POST (when set over 2667)...
To be continued.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: nick.apour on 04-July-17, 06:06:54
So I just bought this Mobo and I have a Ryzen 7 1700 installed with the stock wraith spire RGB cooler and I tried downloading the MSI gaming app to control the RGB but it said this platform is not supported. So I downloaded the MSI Mystic light app which has very few if any customization options. I was wondering if I was doing something wrong or if the mystic light app is the only compatible software with my MOBO?

Also I have Corsair Vengeance lpx 3000mhz Ram but I can only run it at 2667 rn, is the next bios update going to expand the compatibility to work with my Ram? Should I consider OC my Ram to 3200 and if so how do I go about doing that?

Any help is appreciated ^_^
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: zorz on 04-July-17, 07:38:02
Only Corsair Vengeance 2x4GB Kit 3000 you can run at 3200MHz like a piece of a charm. I have it, i run it.
Now, my 2x8GB Kit 3000 i can't run it more than 2667!
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: maltilite on 04-July-17, 07:44:44
Can anyone please post the ram modules model number that are running on a Ryzen5 1600 processor with this board successfully at 3200mhz please
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: nick.apour on 04-July-17, 10:40:30
Ya I have 2x8 ram and its kind of annoying to not be able to use my ram to the fullest potential but I guess thats part of being on a new platform thats not fully optimized
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: peter_br on 04-July-17, 11:36:49
I have a ryzen 5 1600 and this board my gskill trident-z ram 2 sticks 8gb model F4-3600C16-8GTZR run at 3333Mhz right now command rate set to 2T all other timings on auto!
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: maltilite on 04-July-17, 15:02:21
I have a ryzen 5 1600 and this board my gskill trident-z ram 2 sticks 8gb model F4-3600C16-8GTZR run at 3333Mhz right now command rate set to 2T all other timings on auto!

Wow those are not even VQ Ram thank you so much I appreciate it I know just where to get them aswell :)
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: maltilite on 04-July-17, 15:16:40
But I would like to hear a few more befor I purchase
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: thpechtel on 05-July-17, 14:38:23
Hello,

I'm running a Ryzen 5 1500X with the B350 PC Mate, using the latest BIOS. So far I never really had any problems with this hardware combo. Over the last couple of days though, when I turn on the PC, all it does is beep three times (using the internal speaker), then it seems to restart itself and then it just boots up normally.

Does anyone have any idea why this happens? I couldn't find any information on BIOS beep codes for that motherboard so far ...

Best regards
~
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 05-July-17, 14:42:09
Hello,

I'm running a Ryzen 5 1500X with the B350 PC Mate, using the latest BIOS. So far I never really had any problems with this hardware combo. Over the last couple of days though, when I turn on the PC, all it does is beep three times (using the internal speaker), then it seems to restart itself and then it just boots up normally.

Does anyone have any idea why this happens? I couldn't find any information on BIOS beep codes for that motherboard so far ...

Best regards
~

What bios version? Latest doesn't tell me anything, as what you think is the 'latest' may not be the same as what I consider the latest. Being vague doesn't help.
Please be precise. BIOS 1.25, or whatever it is. That tells me what you're using. latest, does not.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: thpechtel on 05-July-17, 15:41:19
What bios version? Latest doesn't tell me anything, as what you think is the 'latest' may not be the same as what I consider the latest. Being vague doesn't help.
Please be precise. BIOS 1.25, or whatever it is. That tells me what you're using. latest, does not.

Hello again.

7A34vA4 it is, as stated on https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B350-PC-MATE.html -- didn't mean to be rude or vague, but since this thread is about nothing but this mainboard I thought most followers of this thread might be able to tell.

Best regards
~
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 05-July-17, 17:23:49
Well there's BETA BIOS here : https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=283344.0 (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=283344.0)

That should have a newer BIOS available that should improve the memory compatibility and hopefully get rid of the 'beeping' noise you've been hearing.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: thpechtel on 05-July-17, 19:32:24
Hello,

Thanks, I'll try using the latest BETA Bios as soon as I can.

Best regards
~
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: rubic_net on 06-July-17, 09:03:00
@ maltilite (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?action=profile;u=498676)   My HyperX Predator HX432C16PB3K2/16 works perfectly at 3200 BUT not with the xmp profile, I had to set it up manually.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: maltilite on 06-July-17, 11:26:12
@ maltilite (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?action=profile;u=498676)   My HyperX Predator HX432C16PB3K2/16 works perfectly at 3200 BUT not with the xmp profile, I had to set it up manually.
Thanks for you suggestion but I have had bad experience with Kingstons RMA service.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: a49erfan77 on 07-July-17, 13:44:34
Has anyone had a chance to test the new BIOS yet? Just saw that 7A34vA5 is out now.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: dziwisz101 on 07-July-17, 13:53:55
Hello again
I am shocked!!! New BIOS with agesa 1006 finally worked for my pc configuration and helped me OC RAM, which I couldn't get above 2667MHz (let me remaind: R5 1600X@3950MHz & 1,37v, MSI B350 PC MATE, G.Skill Ripjaws V 8GB 3600MHz) Today after few trys, RAM just get working with XMP1 with 3466MHz!!! Maybe tomorrow I will try some manuall OC to get this factory rated 3600mhz (didn't work XMP 2 3600MHz, but I must try again, becouse I am not 100% sure yet) and maybe even higher frequency, becouse there are available frequencys up to 4000MHz in BIOS with many more options than before!
Anyway, I am very grateful to everyone who was working on this update and maybe is reading this.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: badboy2k on 07-July-17, 15:12:48
its nice to hear you have got your memory working better now!

have fun with it!
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: airekele on 07-July-17, 20:22:26
Hi
still cant boot my geil GEX416GB3200C16ADC at 3200, i can boot it only at 2933 with 14-16-16-34
tried with cl18 - no boot :C
and it seems like xmp profiles are broken, because there two of them and they are same at 3200
and one more thing, for some reason there is ?bug? in aida when benchmarking ram, it says right version a.50 but agesa is still 1.0.0.4, is that only me have that?
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 08-July-17, 03:09:48
Hi
still cant boot my geil GEX416GB3200C16ADC at 3200, i can boot it only at 2933 with 14-16-16-34
tried with cl18 - no boot :C
and it seems like xmp profiles are broken, because there two of them and they are same at 3200
and one more thing, for some reason there is ?bug? in aida when benchmarking ram, it says right version a.50 but agesa is still 1.0.0.4, is that only me have that?

Most likely that has SK Hynix memory chips in it and those are still have issues hitting speeds much higher than 2933 for many users. 
As far as the memory profiles, it might just have something to do with the memory to be honest. You'd be the first one I've seen claiming that issue so far.
As far as the AGESA version, generally speaking, it seems MSI hasn't been updating the version string within the BIOS for whatever reason. Any BIOS that is said to have 1.0.0.6 in the BIOS notes, does have it though. You can verify this by checking the memory sub-timings. If you have MANY options available, then you have 1.0.0.6. If you only have 4 to 6 options available, it's still a pre-1.0.0.6 build.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: yukinohoujou on 08-July-17, 03:11:12
Are there any differences between beta bios VA53 and the final VA5 Version? Thank you.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 08-July-17, 03:42:12
Are there any differences between beta bios VA53 and the final VA5 Version? Thank you.

Very little most likely. If you're on VA53 and it's working, stay on it. 
If you're already on VA5 and it's OK, then stick with it. :)
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: riba_matos on 08-July-17, 07:39:10
Hello

I'm having a problem with temperature, using the HWiNFO64, HWMonitor or Ryzen master, different temperatures are shown, the master ryzen shows a lower temperature, example in the master ryzen is between 35 to 45 degrees, the other 50 to 65 degrees, is it normal?

Bios [font=DINPro-Regular, Arial, Verdana, Geneva, 微軟正黑體, sans-serif, sans-serif]7A34vA5[/font][/color]
Ryzen 5 1600x
B350pc mate
16gb crucial 3000mhz
Cooler master 120 lite
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: dziwisz101 on 08-July-17, 08:39:40
It's completly normal, AMD implemented to 1600x and all X CPUs only as I remember corectly the 20*C offset. You can find the correct temperature in Ryzen Master, HWINFO64 as (CPU Tdie) and in AIDA64 as CPU Diode. More over in BIOS you can see the temperature with this 20*C offset, so if you will configure the curve for fans you must watch that its 20*C more than in reallity ;)

In the topic of the newest BIOS 7A34vA5, there is some bug- in my case after any unsuccessful attempt of RAM frequency OC, the mainboard undergo the memory retry count, restarts in my case 3 times, and then the memory is at base frequency 2133, but
the frequency of the CPU bugs, it resets form what i overclocked which is 3950mhz  to 3600mhz, but BIOS still shows 3950mhz in the top of main BIOS page and in OC settings, but in system all diagnostics programs like CPUZ shows 3600mhz.  The only way to go to back to previous higher CPU frequency is to change it to for example 3900mhz, it works, then restart, and again change to 3950mhz.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: riba_matos on 08-July-17, 09:13:37
It's completly normal, AMD implemented to 1600x and all X CPUs only as I remember corectly the 20*C offset. You can find the correct temperature in Ryzen Master, HWINFO64 as (CPU Tdie) and in AIDA64 as CPU Diode. More over in BIOS you can see the temperature with this 20*C offset, so if you will configure the curve for fans you must watch that its 20*C more than in reallity ;)

In the topic of the newest BIOS 7A34vA5, there is some bug- in my case after any unsuccessful attempt of RAM frequency OC, the mainboard undergo the memory retry count, restarts in my case 3 times, and then the memory is at base frequency 2133, but
the frequency of the CPU bugs, it resets form what i overclocked which is 3950mhz  to 3600mhz, but BIOS still shows 3950mhz in the top of main BIOS page and in OC settings, but in system all diagnostics programs like CPUZ shows 3600mhz.  The only way to go to back to previous higher CPU frequency is to change it to for example 3900mhz, it works, then restart, and again change to 3950mhz.
thank you so much
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: airekele on 08-July-17, 09:27:07
Most likely that has SK Hynix memory chips in it and those are still have issues hitting speeds much higher than 2933 for many users.
As far as the memory profiles, it might just have something to do with the memory to be honest. You'd be the first one I've seen claiming that issue so far.
As far as the AGESA version, generally speaking, it seems MSI hasn't been updating the version string within the BIOS for whatever reason. Any BIOS that is said to have 1.0.0.6 in the BIOS notes, does have it though. You can verify this by checking the memory sub-timings. If you have MANY options available, then you have 1.0.0.6. If you only have 4 to 6 options available, it's still a pre-1.0.0.6 build.
(http://rgho.st/7sDmBBnrq/image.png) (http://rgho.st/7sDmBBnrq.view)
the only difference with hynix is one letter in the code of ram(samsung chips have ADC, hynix r just DC)
at this point i tried everything except soc nbu/cpu voltage, should i change it? right now it set to auto
and yday i managed somehow to boot at 3200 with right cl, i checked it in bios, but after i press exit it resets to default :C
as for the xmp profiles, they were ok at prev bios version (there were two of them 1 - 2933, 2 - 3200)
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 08-July-17, 14:06:13
the only difference with hynix is one letter in the code of ram(samsung chips have ADC, hynix r just DC)
at this point i tried everything except soc nbu/cpu voltage, should i change it? right now it set to auto
and yday i managed somehow to boot at 3200 with right cl, i checked it in bios, but after i press exit it resets to default :C
as for the xmp profiles, they were ok at prev bios version (there were two of them 1 - 2933, 2 - 3200)

Well, NB/SoC voltage can go up to 1.1V safely, and DRAM voltage should be OK up to 1.4V safely.
Try setting those voltages and seeing if 3200 MHz boots that way.
Also, if it does work, run some memory tests (I might suggest doing a quick memtest86 with it) to ensure you aren't getting random errors.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: airekele on 08-July-17, 14:41:59
Well, NB/SoC voltage can go up to 1.1V safely, and DRAM voltage should be OK up to 1.4V safely.
Try setting those voltages and seeing if 3200 MHz boots that way.
Also, if it does work, run some memory tests (I might suggest doing a quick memtest86 with it) to ensure you aren't getting random errors.
nope, nothing happend
i even set nb/soc to 1.2 :C
but it did boot yday at 3200 :D one time but it did it
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 08-July-17, 17:45:20
The best I can suggest is if those voltages aren't allowing any higher frequencies, then it's either just a problem with timings (in which case you'd have to manually enter timings and see if you can get it to boot at the higher speeds, most likely at much more loose timings), or your CPU's IMC just isn't capable of handling it with that memory.

:/
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: dassneaker on 08-July-17, 17:46:53
After A5 update my 1600x is stuck at 3600mhz with any multiplier, though vcore is correct so i assume that is not a common power stage bug. There was no such problem with beta A53 bios.
*Setting turbo boost and amd c'n'q from "disabled" to "auto" fixed the problem, this is very strange for manual oc.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 08-July-17, 17:54:45
After A5 update my 1600x is stuck at 3600mhz with any multiplier, though vcore is correct so i assume that is not a common power stage bug. There was no such problem with beta A53 bios.

Go into your BIOS.
Hit F6 to load defaults.
Then F10 to save and reboot.
Go back into your BIOS.
Change the settings to what you want (ie overclock, memory, etc....boot drives, fan curves, etc....)
F10 to save and reboot back into Windows and see if it fixes it.
If not, try doing a CMOS reset.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: dassneaker on 08-July-17, 17:59:21
Go into your BIOS.
Hit F6 to load defaults.
Then F10 to save and reboot.
Go back into your BIOS.
Change the settings to what you want (ie overclock, memory, etc....boot drives, fan curves, etc....)
F10 to save and reboot back into Windows and see if it fixes it.
If not, try doing a CMOS reset.
I performed cmos reset before and after update, thanks. I have already found a wierd solution (see prev. post)
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: airekele on 08-July-17, 18:01:57
The best I can suggest is if those voltages aren't allowing any higher frequencies, then it's either just a problem with timings (in which case you'd have to manually enter timings and see if you can get it to boot at the higher speeds, most likely at much more loose timings), or your CPU's IMC just isn't capable of handling it with that memory.

:/
can u help me with that? because i dont know what timings i should put
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 08-July-17, 18:52:19
can u help me with that? because i dont know what timings i should put

We would need to know what your memory is to start with. Without that information it's hard to even begin.
Manufacturer and model # would be good to start.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: airekele on 08-July-17, 19:06:32
We would need to know what your memory is to start with. Without that information it's hard to even begin.
Manufacturer and model # would be good to start.
http://rgho.st/7sDmBBnrq/image.png is that enough?
according to this https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/62vp2g/clearing_up_any_samsung_bdie_confusion_eg_on/ its even same code of mem chip K4A8G085WB (Samsung) Memory Chips
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: yukinohoujou on 08-July-17, 19:42:12
I was curious if the last VA53 and the final VA5 BIOSes were the same. So i did an md5sum, creating a checksum for both files. The name doesn't have an influence on the checksum, i verified that by renaming the files. the result was: 

md5sum E7A34AMS.A50
cffffc6863e566e7b7811d35589e1d8a  E7A34AMS.A50

md5sum E7A34AMS.A53
b7086c2011c5bff82e1549ad5e9b5e97  E7A34AMS.A53

So both files aren't binary equal. They're not the same, just renamed. So it might even be useful to upgrade from beta VA53 to final VA50.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: airekele on 08-July-17, 19:50:10
Well idk what is that but i put in all timings what i found, changed command rate to 2 and it booted 3200 16 18 18 36 1,4v
Then i changed back to command rate 1t and it booted again
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: airekele on 08-July-17, 20:01:17
Em nvm, i thought it changed cr to 1t but i cant, it always 2t now no matter what i do(:censored:?)
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: airekele on 08-July-17, 20:06:20
Its not booting with 1t cr
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: airekele on 08-July-17, 21:35:20
ok, so, it ez boots when i set 16-18-18-36 2t and if i choose 2t i cant change it back to auto or 1t, it will stay whatever will happening even if set it to 1t, when exisitng bios it says u r doing changes 2t<1t, but its not, next bios boot it still 2t
the only way is to reset bios with f6(?)default
and i did aida test http://rgho.st/8TWGbyPRl (http://rgho.st/8TWGbyPRl)
and there is a bug, when i change ram freq cpu oc resets to default, it happens everytime i changed ram freq, yes it says im at 3.7 but its not im at 3.2(i think its because i cant boot my ram at 3200 and it always beeping and then resets all bios settings to default, somebody mentioned that too, so in this case im not alone)
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: dziwisz101 on 08-July-17, 21:43:08
After A5 update my 1600x is stuck at 3600mhz with any multiplier, though vcore is correct so i assume that is not a common power stage bug. There was no such problem with beta A53 bios.
*Setting turbo boost and amd c'n'q from "disabled" to "auto" fixed the problem, this is very strange for manual oc.

As I typed few posts above I have same problem, after any Ram OC attempt, and what helps me is to change cpu frequency from what I had before RAM oc- 3950mhz, change to 3900, reset, change back to 3950mhz. Bios after RAM oc shows not changed CPU frequency, but all system programs shows default 3600mhz, after "method" it works fine again.
Well idk what is that but i put in all timings what i found, changed command rate to 2 and it booted 3200 16 18 18 36 1,4v Then i changed back to command rate 1t and it booted again
I just want to mention, that you can safely rise the DRAM voltage up, to 1,5v, it's anyway the max available voltage on this board.
http://www.legitreviews.com/what-is-the-safe-voltage-range-for-ddr4-memory-overclocking_150115
My memory kit is rated for intel platform for 3600mhz with 1,35v, but it works right with 3466mhz with 1,4v!, with 1,35v and 3466mhz testing programs gives errors messages.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: airekele on 08-July-17, 22:13:23
I just want to mention, that you can safely rise the DRAM voltage up, to 1,5v, it's anyway the max available voltage on this board.
http://www.legitreviews.com/what-is-the-safe-voltage-range-for-ddr4-memory-overclocking_150115
My memory kit is rated for intel platform for 3600mhz with 1,35v, but it works right with 3466mhz with 1,4v!, with 1,35v and 3466mhz testing programs gives errors messages.
i tried 1.4v 3200 16 18 18 36 1t it cant boot to bios, but with 2t it boots even with 1.36v and everything is fine, idk, but thx for trying to help me
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 08-July-17, 22:36:57
I was curious if the last VA53 and the final VA5 BIOSes were the same. So i did an md5sum, creating a checksum for both files. The name doesn't have an influence on the checksum, i verified that by renaming the files. the result was:

md5sum E7A34AMS.A50
cffffc6863e566e7b7811d35589e1d8a  E7A34AMS.A50

md5sum E7A34AMS.A53
b7086c2011c5bff82e1549ad5e9b5e97  E7A34AMS.A53

So both files aren't binary equal. They're not the same, just renamed. So it might even be useful to upgrade from beta VA53 to final VA50.

They won't ever be the same like that.
You still have to change data within the BIOS (ie the BIOS VERSION STRING) in order for it to be the new one.

A better way would be to do a bit compare, not a checksum compare. You might find that they are very similar throughout most of the BIOS, but only have a few different parts to them.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: zach77 on 08-July-17, 23:00:29
So I flashed my bios to 7A34vA5 and now can't seem to boot from a USB flash drive. I can boot from a Windows CD, but no luck doing it from a USB stick. Should I revert back to one of the earlier bios or am I missing something? Running a Ryzen 7 1700, Crucial - Ballistix Sport LT 16GB, EVGA - GeForce GT 730 4GB Video Card. Trying to install FreeNas on this thing and just am not having any luck right now.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 08-July-17, 23:04:52
Quote from: zach77 (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=285179.msg1635681#msg1635681)
So I flashed my bios to 7A34vA5 and now can't seem to boot from a USB flash drive. I can boot from a Windows CD, but no luck doing it from a USB stick. Should I revert back to one of the earlier bios or am I missing something? Running a Ryzen 7 1700, Crucial - Ballistix Sport LT 16GB, EVGA - GeForce GT 730 4GB Video Card. Trying to install FreeNas on this thing and just am not having any luck right now.

The closest thing I found was this : https://superuser.com/questions/840578/im-unable-to-boot-my-windows-10-installer-usb-in-uefi-mode

"1: The Windows 7 USB/DVD Download Tool is not compatible with USB 3.0. To create a USB stick that is compatible with USB 3.0 using the native boot experience of the Windows 10 Technical Preview media (or Windows 8/Windows 8.1), use DiskPart to format the USB stick and set the partition to active, then copy all of the files from inside the ISO to the USB stick.
2: UEFI (CSM disabled) requires the USB stick to be formatted FAT32. If your stick is formatted NTFS, it would explain the behavior you have described."

Is your USB stick formatted for FAT32 or for NTFS or something else?
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: bigbluecloud on 09-July-17, 00:39:49
Hey all, just updated to version A5.

All I can say is that from ver. A4 it is a solid upgrade. I can now get my RAM speed up to 2933Mhz & CL 14-16-16-16-34. I had to bump NB up to 1.15v manually, but so far so good. Cold boot appears to work just fine, unlike previous BIOS versions where it would start up after a reboot from the BIOS but not from a full shut down.

I did try running at 3200Mhz but couldn't get the system to start, and I'm not too confident in pushing the NB voltage higher. As it is I'm pretty happy though. I think I'll be staying on this version for a while.

Best of luck getting your system to where you guys want them!
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: zach77 on 09-July-17, 01:45:03
The closest thing I found was this : https://superuser.com/questions/840578/im-unable-to-boot-my-windows-10-installer-usb-in-uefi-mode

"1: The Windows 7 USB/DVD Download Tool is not compatible with USB 3.0. To create a USB stick that is compatible with USB 3.0 using the native boot experience of the Windows 10 Technical Preview media (or Windows 8/Windows 8.1), use DiskPart to format the USB stick and set the partition to active, then copy all of the files from inside the ISO to the USB stick.
2: UEFI (CSM disabled) requires the USB stick to be formatted FAT32. If your stick is formatted NTFS, it would explain the behavior you have described."

Is your USB stick formatted for FAT32 or for NTFS or something else?

Looks like it's something else when I check the thumb drive in Disk Utility. I'm using this guide to install FreeNas (https://doc.freenas.org/9.3/freenas_install.html#on-os-x) from my Mac on my thumbdrive which looks like everything goes through in Terminal. I'm just stuck right now. Weird I was able to do it before, but not now.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 09-July-17, 03:07:48
ok, so, it ez boots when i set 16-18-18-36 2t and if i choose 2t i cant change it back to auto or 1t, it will stay whatever will happening even if set it to 1t, when exisitng bios it says u r doing changes 2t<1t, but its not, next bios boot it still 2t
the only way is to reset bios with f6(?)default
and i did aida test http://rgho.st/8TWGbyPRl (http://rgho.st/8TWGbyPRl)
and there is a bug, when i change ram freq cpu oc resets to default, it happens everytime i changed ram freq, yes it says im at 3.7 but its not im at 3.2(i think its because i cant boot my ram at 3200 and it always beeping and then resets all bios settings to default, somebody mentioned that too, so in this case im not alone)


Reset your CMOS, or go into your BIOS and hit F6 to set defaults, save, reboot.

Most likely some 'configuration' is messed up and causing you issues.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: airekele on 09-July-17, 03:17:57
Did that plenty of times
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: airekele on 09-July-17, 03:33:18

Reset your CMOS, or go into your BIOS and hit F6 to set defaults, save, reboot.

Most likely some 'configuration' is messed up and causing you issues.
Still not working with 1t
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: airekele on 09-July-17, 04:09:33
I tried one more thing i reset bios to default and only oc ram and it boots far more often at 3200 1t 1.36v when cpu is in stock but it is very unstable
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 09-July-17, 04:24:35
I tried one more thing i reset bios to default and only oc ram and it boots far more often at 3200 1t 1.36v when cpu is in stock but it is very unstable
Wait, so your whole problem is 1T vs 2T? And it works fine at 2T at 3200?

Christ, set it to 2T, be happy, and go on with life.

Going by what you provided (the Taiphoon Burner screen) we can't even tell what memory you have. Only that it's Geil, and rated at 3200 MHz.
On top of that, Geil completely refrains from listing CR settings on their site at all.

For all we know, the memory is only made to work with 2T CR at 3200 MHz. It isn't specified anywhere, unlike most other manufacturer's.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: airekele on 09-July-17, 05:29:21
Wait, so your whole problem is 1T vs 2T? And it works fine at 2T at 3200?

Christ, set it to 2T, be happy, and go on with life.

Going by what you provided (the Taiphoon Burner screen) we can't even tell what memory you have. Only that it's Geil, and rated at 3200 MHz.
On top of that, Geil completely refrains from listing CR settings on their site at all.

For all we know, the memory is only made to work with 2T CR at 3200 MHz. It isn't specified anywhere, unlike most other manufacturer's.
i mentioned 2-3 times what ram i have (GEX416GB3200C16ADC)
it seems like yes, the whole problem is in cr
as for 3200 2t as far as i test it ?yes? it works, even with 16-18-18-36, but is 2t cr worth it? if i can run at 2933 14-16-16-34 1t
i read a lot of info and this ram works with 1t 3400 on intel, idk :confused2:
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 09-July-17, 06:46:21
i mentioned 2-3 times what ram i have (GEX416GB3200C16ADC)
it seems like yes, the whole problem is in cr
as for 3200 2t as far as i test it ?yes? it works, even with 16-18-18-36, but is 2t cr worth it? if i can run at 2933 14-16-16-34 1t
i read a lot of info and this ram works with 1t 3400 on intel, idk :confused2:

Still can't find your exact model number on Geil's website, and it's a pretty poor website overall.
That said, you need to get it out of your head 'it works at xxxx on Intel'....this isn't Intel. It's a different chip. Intel doesn't matter.
On that note, this RAM was made for Z170/X99. Not AM4. So that's another strike against this RAM.

Not only that, but the command rate is dictated more by the chips ability to sync the signals at a given speed.
We already know that AMD is still learning how to work with DDR4. So it doesn't surprise me that it might not work at 1T on AM4, while on Intel it works at 1T at a speed higher than it's rated for. Intel is on it's 4th generation chipset, and 4th generation CPU now working on the DDR4 platform (X99 started out on the 4xxx series, and we're on the 7xxx series and higher now....). That's all something to consider, that Intel's had a lot more time to fine tune everything, get how the CPU sync's all the signals properly (this is much more complex than it sounds....trust me on that).
At 1T, it takes a LOT more sync'ing to ensure that everything lines up properly, otherwise you'll get memory corruption.

Stick to 2T. Be happy you can get higher bandwidth.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: airekele on 09-July-17, 14:51:28
Still can't find your exact model number on Geil's website, and it's a pretty poor website overall.
That said, you need to get it out of your head 'it works at xxxx on Intel'....this isn't Intel. It's a different chip. Intel doesn't matter.
On that note, this RAM was made for Z170/X99. Not AM4. So that's another strike against this RAM.

Not only that, but the command rate is dictated more by the chips ability to sync the signals at a given speed.
We already know that AMD is still learning how to work with DDR4. So it doesn't surprise me that it might not work at 1T on AM4, while on Intel it works at 1T at a speed higher than it's rated for. Intel is on it's 4th generation chipset, and 4th generation CPU now working on the DDR4 platform (X99 started out on the 4xxx series, and we're on the 7xxx series and higher now....). That's all something to consider, that Intel's had a lot more time to fine tune everything, get how the CPU sync's all the signals properly (this is much more complex than it sounds....trust me on that).
At 1T, it takes a LOT more sync'ing to ensure that everything lines up properly, otherwise you'll get memory corruption.

Stick to 2T. Be happy you can get higher bandwidth.
ye, thats a fail by me that i purchased it 
as for the 2t cr, i set to 3200 16-18-18-36 ran memtest86 and went to sleep and when i woke up there wasnt any mistakes and after i exit it starts beeping again :rolleyes_anim:
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 09-July-17, 18:46:55
ye, thats a fail by me that i purchased it
as for the 2t cr, i set to 3200 16-18-18-36 ran memtest86 and went to sleep and when i woke up there wasnt any mistakes and after i exit it starts beeping again :rolleyes_anim:

Then that usually means it just needs more relaxed timings to work with the CPU.
Either loosen your timings at 3200 manually, or go to 2933 and be happy.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: zach77 on 09-July-17, 19:24:13
(http://i.imgur.com/nHnJBrO.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/ZFKd3nt.jpg)

So it's definitely reading the drives, just not booting to the FreeNas installer one. Has anyone else used this bios (7A34vA5) to boot off a usb stick? I've tried disconnecting all my hard drives and doing it it that way. It will boot off a Windows 10 Home CD, just not anymore off my thumb drive. Right now I just seem stuck and not sure if I'm missing something obvious. 
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: yukinohoujou on 10-July-17, 14:52:42
So it's definitely reading the drives, just not booting to the FreeNas installer one. Has anyone else used this bios (7A34vA5) to boot off a usb stick? I've tried disconnecting all my hard drives and doing it it that way. It will boot off a Windows 10 Home CD, just not anymore off my thumb drive. Right now I just seem stuck and not sure if I'm missing something obvious.
Did you check if the image you put on your usb stick is bootable at all? It might not have a bootloader. I usually use pendrivelinux's universal USB installer or rufus to transfer images to a usb stick and make sure i can boot from it.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: benss.lesmana on 12-July-17, 14:17:39
The latest beta's out VA61, going to try after I have some free time.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: falcon.sam on 12-July-17, 15:07:36
I suggest that you stay away from this board.... Mine came with a dead PCIE slot. It's been RMA'd twice to no effect. Trying to get a return right now because this is just unacceptable. Not even that but the RAM that's advertised to run with this board does not... All in all a poor product and marketing.. If the RAM doesn't work, why put it on the compatibility list? My guess is so they could sell it to more people... I was so excited for Ryzen but this board has killed my hopes and dreams.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 12-July-17, 15:25:02
I suggest that you stay away from this board.... Mine came with a dead PCIE slot. It's been RMA'd twice to no effect. Trying to get a return right now because this is just unacceptable. Not even that but the RAM that's advertised to run with this board does not... All in all a poor product and marketing.. If the RAM doesn't work, why put it on the compatibility list? My guess is so they could sell it to more people... I was so excited for Ryzen but this board has killed my hopes and dreams.
See : >>Please read and comply with the Forum Rules.<< (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=64858.0)

This isn't the place to complain about the poor support. There is nothing we can do to help with that here, and it doesn't help anyone.
As far as RAM, it does work. But more goes into determining what speeds you'll get than just the simple label on the side that says it does 3200.....

It's your second post here since making an account, 10 minutes ago. Not a good way to go about getting support at all....
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: falcon.sam on 12-July-17, 15:35:21
I appreciate the advice. Also, thanks for posting the forum rules/guidelines.

He asked about advice on the particular board I purchased, and I let him know my experience. The support was part of it so I feel that is pertinent information because after the first RMA failed to address the issue, they wouldn't let me return it, only RMA again. Which was just as helpful as it was the first time.

Also, if you can't get the board to post with the RAM installed, you can't do anything to adjust the speed of the RAM. I would consider that non-functional.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: altarotw on 12-July-17, 19:35:10
Hi,
got Ryzen 1700 on B350 PC Mate with  Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4, 2x8GB, 3200MHz, CL16 (CMK16GX4M2B3200C16).
I've flashed the BIOS to v.61
I've bumped ram to 1,36 V, NB/SOC to 1,2 V and tried all "Memory try it" settings from 3200 Mhz down and cant get pass 2667 Mhz (and on 2667 mhz it actually runs at 14-16-16-34 with 1,2 dram & auto NB/SOC).
This memory is of course rated compliant at full speed for this motherboard but no luck so far.

Did anyone had luck going higher ? if yes then please post timings and voltage info.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 12-July-17, 19:38:18
Hi,
got Ryzen 1700 on B350 PC Mate with  Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4, 2x8GB, 3200MHz, CL16 (CMK16GX4M2B3200C16).
I've flashed the BIOS to v.61
I've bumped ram to 1,36 V, NB/SOC to 1,2 V and tried all "Memory try it" settings from 3200 Mhz down and cant get pass 2667 Mhz (and on 2667 mhz it actually runs at 14-16-16-34 with 1,2 dram & auto NB/SOC).
This memory is of course rated compliant at full speed for this motherboard but no luck so far.

Did anyone had luck going higher ? if yes then please post timings and voltage info.

That memory is known to have 2 different versions, one of which has samsung b-die, and another that has SK Hynix and doesn't work well with Ryzen (hence the lower than expected speeds).
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: dziwisz101 on 12-July-17, 22:04:46
Hi,
got Ryzen 1700 on B350 PC Mate with  Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4, 2x8GB, 3200MHz, CL16 (CMK16GX4M2B3200C16).
I've flashed the BIOS to v.61
I've bumped ram to 1,36 V, NB/SOC to 1,2 V and tried all "Memory try it" settings from 3200 Mhz down and cant get pass 2667 Mhz (and on 2667 mhz it actually runs at 14-16-16-34 with 1,2 dram & auto NB/SOC).
This memory is of course rated compliant at full speed for this motherboard but no luck so far.

Did anyone had luck going higher ? if yes then please post timings and voltage info.
Try to rise timings to lets say CL17 and DRAM voltage to 1,4v, and before all of that set all timings, xmps, memorty tyrs to AUTO, then manually set 3000/3200mhz. Also check if your memory is command rate 1 or 2.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: adrian.testaavila on 12-July-17, 23:13:40
I'm 44% through updating to the va.50 bios, and it seems to have hung.  anyone have advice on how long to wait for it?  how to recover?  it's been about 20 minutes so far.  previous bios upgrades only took a few minutes.

fingers crossed.  

thanks!
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: Svet on 13-July-17, 22:38:35
I'm 44% through updating to the va.50 bios, and it seems to have hung.  anyone have advice on how long to wait for it?  how to recover?  it's been about 20 minutes so far.  previous bios upgrades only took a few minutes.

fingers crossed.  

thanks!

best open new own topic about such issues
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE Best CPU settings in BIOS for gaming help.
Post by: maltilite on 14-July-17, 15:19:46
So I`m not the best when it comes to new CPUs and don`t know all the tech stuff does anyone know how I can get the best gaming perfomance from the CPU feature settings in Bios anything I should turn off on or set?
My CPU is a Ryzen 5 1600 and motherboard is msi B350 pcmate I use this machine only for gaming mostly Battlefield 1 I don`t care much for multi threading perfomance.
I don`t want to overclock as I got to 3800mhz but my GPU went slow as hell, anyways its plenty enough on stock so I don`t mind.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: yukinohoujou on 16-July-17, 23:06:47
I just flashed my b350 Mate to VA61 and the only difference i saw, is the bitcoin mining setting for being able to use up to 4 graphicscards? Is that right? i tried to tighten my RAM timing from 2800MHz 18 to 2800MHz 16. So I guess i found my RAM speed limits, unless i overvoltage my RAM. So no improvements there, going from VA53 to VA61. BTW. is there a way to save your BIOS fan-curves only? Thanks ^^
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: lelevtx on 19-July-17, 09:07:23
Hi friends, it's the first time I write here, and the first MSI Motherboard I own.
I assembled my B350 PC MATE with a Ryzen 1400, and 8GB of DDR4 RAM rated at 3000MHz. They are Corsair Vengeance LPX CMK8GX4M2B3000C15R. Bios is at the latest official version V5
I can't boot with RAM set at 2800 or more, and at 2666 the system is unstable. I tried everything, XMP, voltage to 1.35V, manually set timings... Until now I can only use the system with RAM at 2133. CPU is running at stock settings.

This RAM is not on the compatobility list, but very similar models are, for example the 16gb kit, 3200MHz, C16, is in the list working at 3200MHz, why mine with half the capacity and C15, can't run at its 3000MHz rating?
Any suggestion or ideas?
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 19-July-17, 12:05:25
Hi friends, it's the first time I write here, and the first MSI Motherboard I own.
I assembled my B350 PC MATE with a Ryzen 1400, and 8GB of DDR4 RAM rated at 3000MHz. They are Corsair Vengeance LPX CMK8GX4M2B3000C15R. Bios is at the latest official version V5
I can't boot with RAM set at 2800 or more, and at 2666 the system is unstable. I tried everything, XMP, voltage to 1.35V, manually set timings... Until now I can only use the system with RAM at 2133. CPU is running at stock settings.

This RAM is not on the compatobility list, but very similar models are, for example the 16gb kit, 3200MHz, C16, is in the list working at 3200MHz, why mine with half the capacity and C15, can't run at its 3000MHz rating?
Any suggestion or ideas?

In case you've been hiding under a rock, Ryzen is very sensitive to the manufacturer of the DRAM modules.
On top of that, just because you get 3000 MHz modules, doesn't mean your CPU will definitely do 3000 MHz on it's IMC. So yes, the modules might work, but how do you know your CPU will?
See : https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=283351.0 (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=283351.0) for more discussion and a list of what is officially supported and guaranteed to work. Expecting it to get higher than what is guaranteed is overclocking, and may or may not work.
Also, if you only set your DRAM voltage to 1.35, you haven't done 'everything'.....and you should probably read a guide that properly explains how to setup your DRAM.
See : https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=286610.0 (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=286610.0)
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: lelevtx on 20-July-17, 10:07:40
I've already read overclocking guides and a lot of information regarding DRAM on Ryzen
I don't expect to run the 3000 Mhz rated modules at its rated frequency, I'm just trying to run it at 2400MHz, and I wasn't able to have rock solid stability even with very loose timings, RAM voltage 1.35v and NB voltage 1v. It's not overclock, just normal frequencies for DDR4. I'm rock solid only at 2133MHz.
I suspect that the RAM modules are faulty, now I ordered a new 16GB set (Corsair CMK16GX4M2B3200C16R that is on the compatibility list), they are being shipped, let's see if I'll be lucky.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: dziwisz101 on 20-July-17, 18:29:09
Maybe try to rise NB/SOC voltage to 1,2, and dram voltage up to 1,5
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: lelevtx on 21-July-17, 23:45:57
Arrived today Corsair CMK16GX4M2B3200C16R, Vengeance LPX 2x8GB. 
They are Version 5.39, Hynix chips single sided. I know that the best is to have the version with Samsung chips, but when you buy you never know wich one you get.

But they are working very well, now at 3066MHz 16-18-18-36 2T 1.35v, NB/SOC voltage at 1V. Let's see if they will go to 3200 but I'm really satisfied.

I think that the previous kit 2x4GB was faulty
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 22-July-17, 04:53:32
Arrived today Corsair CMK16GX4M2B3200C16R, Vengeance LPX 2x8GB.
They are Version 5.39, Hynix chips single sided. I know that the best is to have the version with Samsung chips, but when you buy you never know wich one you get.

But they are working very well, now at 3066MHz 16-18-18-36 2T 1.35v, NB/SOC voltage at 1V. Let's see if they will go to 3200 but I'm really satisfied.

I think that the previous kit 2x4GB was faulty

It's quite possible. I mean, we've seen a number of users with crappy performance with hynix/micron memory. 

DDR4 really tends to be a crap shoot when new systems are released. X99 was bad, Z170 was really bad, and even Z270 still had its issues.
Ryzen has been pretty bad too, in general. And I think that's more the users just being unhappy with not hitting XXXX frequency that they think they should just automatically be able to hit if the memory supports up to XXXX frequency. 
The benchmarks were done, and it's pretty evident the difference between 2133 and 2933 is pretty drastic at times, up to 20 or 30% increase in some games.
Meanwhile, the difference between 2933 and 3200 is very minor, 2 to 3% improvement in some of the best cases.  Which really makes hitting that 3200 MHz almost pointless outside of benchmarks to be honest.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: maltilite on 22-July-17, 16:46:47
I bought another  8G Hyperx HX424C15FB/8 stick of ram to upgrade to 16gb and it beeps before bios every time I shutdown or restart If I load  in default or manually setting it does not make a difference which does not make seance if it boots anyway any help?
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: emaildealexis on 22-July-17, 21:08:19
Well, I bought this motherboard 3 months ago and when I update the last bios (7A34vA5) the network onboard died. I went to the guarantee and they changed it without problems. With the memories (cmk16gx4m2b3200c16) they work perfectly at 3200 from the beta bios VA.51. Happy with motherboard
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: peter_br on 29-July-17, 11:10:02
I bought another  8G Hyperx HX424C15FB/8 stick of ram to upgrade to 16gb and it beeps before bios every time I shutdown or restart If I load  in default or manually setting it does not make a difference which does not make seance if it boots anyway any help?

You should always buy your ram in pairs, if you don't it is not guaranteed they will work together.
My advise, return the stick or sticks if you still can and buy a pair in your case a set of 2x8G.
Good luck!
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: diego_l7d on 02-August-17, 00:06:57
Can anyone tell me if the Corsair Dominator Platinum 16GB (2x8) 3000Mhz C15 (CMD16GX4M2B3000C15) sticks are compatible with this motherboard? I know that they are not in the compatibility list in the website, but I want to know if anyone tried to make them work.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 02-August-17, 03:23:17
Can anyone tell me if the Corsair Dominator Platinum 16GB (2x8) 3000Mhz C15 (CMD16GX4M2B3000C15) sticks are compatible with this motherboard? I know that they are not in the compatibility list in the website, but I want to know if anyone tried to make them work.

The RAM will most likely work....however it might not operate at 3000 MHz. You might only get 2933, or maybe only 2667 MHz. Memory with Samsung B-die tends to have the best performance and chances at hitting the rated speed.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: zorz on 06-August-17, 13:45:06
My currently memory is Corsair Vengeance Red Kit 2x4GB but with SK Hynix memory chips ant it wouldn't go upper than 2667MHz whatever i do :(

I don't accept statements that a Ryzen is picky with memory... Not at all.
The memory controler is buil in CPU but that's mean that almost every second Ryzen have a faulty mem. contorler and that's a piece of a **it (excuse for bad word).
Problem is in memory, mobo BIOS, implementation of a manufacturer(s) and agesa codes...
Cant tell me that same memory working perfect on ASUS mid budget nobo with same Ryzen and dont working on MSI? Is there any logyc?
ASUS mobo sweep memory that PC Mate will not (and does not matter that is Hynix, Micron or Samsung chips onboard)!
...
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 06-August-17, 14:25:26
My currently memory is Corsair Vengeance Red Kit 2x4GB but with SK Hynix memory chips ant it wouldn't go upper than 2667MHz whatever i do :(

I don't accept statements that a Ryzen is picky with memory... Not at all.
The memory controler is buil in CPU but that's mean that almost every second Ryzen have a faulty mem. contorler and that's a piece of a **it (excuse for bad word).
Problem is in memory, mobo BIOS, implementation of a manufacturer(s) and agesa codes...
Cant tell me that same memory working perfect on ASUS mid budget nobo with same Ryzen and dont working on MSI? Is there any logyc?
ASUS mobo sweep memory that PC Mate will not (and does not matter that is Hynix, Micron or Samsung chips onboard)!
...

Say what you want, it doesn't change the truth. You can live in whatever fantasy realm you want, most of us live in reality. 

We know the controller has limitations. If it didn't, don't you think AMD would have made the specifications higher than 2667MHz? 

Obviously AMD isn't confident in their ability to guarantee operation above 2667MHz, otherwise the specification would be higher. You can't change that, and no amount of 'disbelief' won't change the hardware. 

Part of it is certainly AMD and it's adjusting to using DDR4, as this is their first venture into using that memory type. Intel went through the same issues, and we had TONS of users complaining about DDR4 compatibility for months as Intel worked out the bugs via op code updates. Just like AMD is going through.

And I won't deny that MSI's BIOS's may not be the best (they aren't....not by far), but considering that a good bit of this coding comes from AMD and not MSI......
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: zorz on 06-August-17, 18:33:35
Let's resume.
I don't blame MSI!
Just wondering where is a problem that a lot of a memory don't working with Ryzen (abowe 2667) and seems no one tried to resolve problem :( or a problem reolving is too slow?
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 06-August-17, 19:24:31
 or a problem reolving is too slow?

Then go Intel instead. Where users can easily get 3600+ memory working.

Unfortunately, whether people want to admit it or not, Ryzen wasn't finished when  they released it. Similar to the X99 and Z170 series and how they weren't really complete upon release either, especially in terms of memory.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: yukinohoujou on 06-August-17, 21:37:22
All that being said about Ryzen and RAM, Theres a new beta BIOS out, being labeled A62 you can get at the usual MSI forum spot that seems to have improved RAM compatibility further. I can run my RAM at 2800MHz with the tightest timings listed at "Try It!" now wirthout any issues; might even be able to go higher in MHz; didn't try that yet. Even tho I use pretty tight timings now, they seem to get applied in a more "relaxed" way, since AIDA64 RAM test scores are a little lower than last time i tried those 2800MHz with the same timing, reliably. Still, this A62 BIOS seems to be working nicely.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 06-August-17, 23:07:35
All that being said about Ryzen and RAM, Theres a new beta BIOS out, being labeled A62 you can get at the usual MSI forum spot that seems to have improved RAM compatibility further. I can run my RAM at 2800MHz with the tightest timings listed at "Try It!" now wirthout any issues; might even be able to go higher in MHz; didn't try that yet. Even tho I use pretty tight timings now, they seem to get applied in a more "relaxed" way, since AIDA64 RAM test scores are a little lower than last time i tried those 2800MHz with the same timing, reliably. Still, this A62 BIOS seems to be working nicely.

Yeah. I posted that on Friday I think it was. The updates have become more sporadic, most likely due to the X299 and impending X399 releases.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: chapek on 09-August-17, 14:08:56
Dear all,
I have some problems with my Msi B350 Mate and hope you may have a tip for me.

My system:
Ryzen 7 1700
MSI B350 Mate (A62 Beta)
2x 8 GB G.Skill Flare X DDR4-3200 CL14 (F4-3200C14D-16GFX)
Palit Nvidia 970 GTX
Samsung SSD

My system never starts at the first attempt. The fans are running and it does not go any further. After 2-3 reboots Windows starts and works fine, but the RAM is always loaded in the minimum configuration 2400 Mhz 16-16-16-38. If I change something in the BIOS Ram settings, the system reboots 5 times and minimum configuration of the RAM is reloaded. Even if I manually adjust the minimum configuration, the system reboots 5 times and loads the emergency settings.

I have tried:

The stable Bios version before updating to beta
Loading standard settings and leaving everything on auto
Another Ram (F4-3200C16D-16GVKB Hynix 5.39). This was my first Ram, then I bought the Flare with Samsung B-Die. Nothing changed, except the minimal config of the Hynix was 2133 Mhz
Setting NB Voltage to 1.100 and DDR4 Voltage to 1.350
XMP 1+2
All usefull Memory Try It! settings 
 
Nothing changed the strange boot behavior. I don’t want to overclock my Ram to the limit, I just wish for a PC that boots at the first attempt. Maybe you have an idea?

Thank you very much and kind regards
Chris from germany, I hope you can read my english ;-)
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: altarotw on 10-August-17, 09:36:26
HI,
mainboard is set to try lunch 5 times memory settings if it fails then it reverts to safe settings and starts normally.
You can change the failed retry number if you change the OC mode in bios to expert. (3 will suffice)


Thus your problem is with wrong memory settings. Your memory (F4-3200C14D-16GFX) is not on official compatibility list so it's a lottery on which settings it will run.

First try to get it to run on 2667 mhz (this is maximal supported frequency for 2 memory banks for ryzen without overclocking), if you achieve that then you can try going higher.

From basic things be sure that your memory is in proper banks (see manual for that) because in ryzen it matters to which dim bank on mainboard the memory is inserted into.

Be sure to have Command rate in memory timings set for 2 cycles. Set the NB voltage to something around 1,15-1,2 V and a bit more voltage on memory than they are to run on in default mode (so if you have 1,35 voltage for 3200 mhz according to memory spec then run it on 1,36 -1,37

When you try to run the memory then run them on insanely slow timings to just check if they will hold the frequency. So for example try settings like 3200 mhz 20-20-20-20-40, 3066 20-20-20-20-40 and so on, each time one step down with frequency.

When you'll find the highest frequency on which the memory will hold then start to play with timings. Good point to start is the default timings for your memory at their maximum speed according to specs. (14-14-14-34-2T if I'm correct) If they run on those timings then you can try to bump them one by one down or play on safe side and stay at those timings.

After all that when you have stable memory (by stable i mean working under stress or synthetic memory test like memtest86) you can start to lower voltages you've bumped in the beginning. Firstly dram memory to spec standard then NB (also step by step till you find the lowest or standard voltage that do not produce errors).

On that note if you have situation that on given speed/timings/voltage memory starts sometimes after 1 try sometimes after 2 or more then bump NB voltage a bit it should help.


This way i managed to get my Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4, 2x8GB, 3200MHz, CL16 (CMK16GX4M2B3200C16R) to work on 2800 mhz on 15-14-14-14-32-2T timings where it's also unsupported because they're on hynix dies instead of samsung :(

If anyone have better or faster way of checking ram then let me know (i normally lose 2 days for this), and chapek let me know on what settings did you manage to run your mem.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: chapek on 10-August-17, 11:15:43
Hi altarotw, thank you very much für your answer. I will try the higher voltages and the 2T command rate in the evening.
What I dont understand is, that if I reset my bios, the ram is set to 2400 mhz, 16-16-16-38 automatic and this is the only possibility, the system starts. If I make a minimal change to 2400 mhz 16-16-16-40, which is slower then the automatic timings, the result is 5 times try launch. It seems, that the board doesnt accept any changes to the ram at all.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: Techno Style on 10-August-17, 23:09:31
Hi!
I returned my faulty RX480 and I'm using my old PC right now unfortunately.
I have a question. My mobo has7A34vA4 BIOS version.

As I remember, my mobo lights CPU fault indicator LED for some seconds in booting.
After that all debug Leds are turned off and mobo runs Win 10 from HDD.

I tried my CPU with these tests :


AIDA64 stres test, 30 minutes à no problem
Cinebench R15 à 10 times without letting the CPU cooling down.àno problem
885 mp3 files converted  àno problem
OCCT default, 10 minutesàno problem
1.5 GB video to 6 GB (converted with high bitrate option and H265 AVC codec with Format Factory program.), 3 hours and 15 minutes.  à  no problem
I run OCCT stress test with default settings for 1 hour --> NO ERROR.
I run HWinfo at last 30 minutes of OCCT test. --> 0 WHEA error.

20 minutes Prime95 Blend Test à  WHEA error= no error, no problem.

So, will my CPU is faulty one or the mobo BIOS has a bug ?
You know, A4 BIOS has a bug that it lights GPU LED. A5 BIOS solved the problem as far as i know.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: altarotw on 10-August-17, 23:42:30
Does anyone know if in PC Mate bios will be implemented P-states tweaking ?

My 1700 OC smoothly to 3900 but I'm uncomfortable to run in on this clock all the time. Instead of multiplier OC (which turns off throttling down)  i would prefer to tweak p0 state for 3,9 ghz and p3 for let say 1,5 ghz to "preserve" longevity of my CPU.

Darkhawk got any info on this ?
If not maybe a place/person i could ask ?
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: Svet on 12-August-17, 05:30:28
you can ask here >>How to contact MSI.<< (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=107326.0)
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 14-August-17, 01:22:40
Does anyone know if in PC Mate bios will be implemented P-states tweaking ?

My 1700 OC smoothly to 3900 but I'm uncomfortable to run in on this clock all the time. Instead of multiplier OC (which turns off throttling down)  i would prefer to tweak p0 state for 3,9 ghz and p3 for let say 1,5 ghz to "preserve" longevity of my CPU.

Darkhawk got any info on this ?
If not maybe a place/person i could ask ?

Contact MSI directly......
however.....

The last time I spoke to them about this, they were fairly certain that it would not be implemented.....

The CPU should down-clock when it's idle. If it doesn't, then it's probably an issue within Windows.
As far as I'm aware, all the AM4 boards, when overclocked (with all the CnQ and C6 states enabled and such) should still down-clock the CPU, but will not change the VCore if you have changed it to some voltage (ie 1.35V for instance).
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: peter_br on 15-August-17, 12:35:15
Apparently my samsung 960 evo m.2 nvme drive is running really hot since it is sitting under my amd r9 390 graphics card.
As a solution I am considering something like a pcie x4 expansion card to keep it more out of the way and better ventilated.
My question is will I be able to boot from the drive this way or not?
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 15-August-17, 12:40:34
It should work just fine assuming you aren't running any SLI/crossfire GPU's.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: a49erfan77 on 16-August-17, 05:26:50
Hi all, looking for some help before I give up on this. I'm running a Ryzen 5 1600X with B350 PC Mate and 2x8GB of Corsair Vengeance 3000mhz (cmk16gx4m2b3000c15r). I previously have been running a different set of RAM with no issues.
I cannot get the pc to post with the new sticks. Things I've tried:
* using one stick at a time in all 4 slots
* manually setting voltage and timings
* reset cmos
* both XMP settings
* various memory Try It settings

My BIOS was at the latest released version, and I even flashed to the newest beta hoping that might work. I'm not sure what else to try. The RAM was working in an Intel build previously. Any help is greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: peter_br on 16-August-17, 12:24:47
It should work just fine assuming you aren't running any SLI/crossfire GPU's.

Thanks I might give that a try then!
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: dziwisz101 on 16-August-17, 20:50:26
Hello again.
I want to inform that new BIOS A60 indeed shorts the time of boot of the pc.  Before on A50 time by task menager: ~18s, by stopwatch (from power buttom to log in window) 28s, now respectively 14,6s and 22s.
I have question about CLDO_VDDP, when I want to set some value, the help bar says that I need to manually restart the PC if remeber correctly? However after changing this setting and save-f10 the pc restarts with powering off itself. Does it mean I still need to shut it down completly in some way or its error in help bar?

Please can somebody write step by step how to change  CLDO_VDDP  in proper way?
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 16-August-17, 21:59:14
Hello again.
I want to inform that new BIOS A60 indeed shorts the time of boot of the pc.  Before on A50 time by task menager: ~18s, by stopwatch (from power buttom to log in window) 28s, now respectively 14,6s and 22s.
I have question about CLDO_VDDP, when I want to set some value, the help bar says that I need to manually restart the PC if remeber correctly? However after changing this setting and save-f10 the pc restarts with powering off itself. Does it mean I still need to shut it down completly in some way or its error in help bar?

Please can somebody write step by step how to change CLDO_VDDP in proper way?

It's merely letting you know that the change doesn't take effect on a 'reboot or restart', and that you need to shutdown (ie power off the PC), then turn it on in order for it to take effect.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: christopherriddell12 on 23-August-17, 04:52:57
Has anyone upgraded to 7A34vA6?

I'm having some issues the system feels sluggish USB ports sometimes cycle power now for a split second but its enough that I have to reboot to get my wacom tablet working again.

I'm also see this on boot now the BIOS screen how stays and overs the windows boot screen.

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Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: dziwisz101 on 24-August-17, 10:22:53
Has anyone upgraded to 7A34vA6?

I'm having some issues the system feels sluggish USB ports sometimes cycle power now for a split second but its enough that I have to reboot to get my wacom tablet working again.

I'm also see this on boot now the BIOS screen how stays and overs the windows boot screen.

I have the newest BIOS, can't say that have any problems becouse of that. You cant 'disable in BIOS the logo on boot in boot settings. Only problem that I have and few other ppl is after any unsuccsesfull attempt of overcolocking RAM- mostly i belive. the CPU clock buggs, it still shows in BIOS its at OC clock that I set, but in Windows any app confirms that it returened to default clock in my case 3600mhz from 3950. It happans sinse the BIOS with agesa 1006 update. Only way to fix that is to change clock speed to another value, save, reboot, change clock back to what we want.
BTW do you have latest chipset drivers and windows updates, it rather looks like windows issue for me.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: christopherriddell12 on 24-August-17, 12:32:52
I have the newest BIOS, can't say that have any problems becouse of that. You cant 'disable in BIOS the logo on boot in boot settings. Only problem that I have and few other ppl is after any unsuccsesfull attempt of overcolocking RAM- mostly i belive. the CPU clock buggs, it still shows in BIOS its at OC clock that I set, but in Windows any app confirms that it returened to default clock in my case 3600mhz from 3950. It happans sinse the BIOS with agesa 1006 update. Only way to fix that is to change clock speed to another value, save, reboot, change clock back to what we want.
BTW do you have latest chipset drivers and windows updates, it rather looks like windows issue for me.

Here is better info on my issue (I never OC)

MB: MSI B350 PC MATE
CPU: 1600
RAM: HyperX HX424C15FBK2/8

1) Windows feels really slow like opening chrome, Autodesk and ZBrush all take longer to open, I'm seeing the loading mouse more often also in task manager on idle everything is at 0% CPU usage I'm sure even on idle before at least some things where at ~1-5% but even with chrome with heaps of tabs and youtube running windows is reporting its only using ~0.5% CPU that does not seem right.
2) I have noticed sometimes (like 1 to 3 times a day) my USB's will power cycle for a split second (I'll see the RGB lights on my keyboard and mouse flash and my Wacom tablet will then no longer be detected by windows and needs a reset)
3) The BIOS splash screen staying after post on the windows boot screen never done that before.

Things I have tried fix the issue

1) Reinstall Windows,
3) Reset CMOS
4) Try a different PSU
5) I tried upgrading the chipset drivers using the ones from AMD's website.
6) Downgrade BIOS back to A5

Nothing seems to fix the issue :/

EDIT: Just ran a stresstest does this all look normal?

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B99cARK8CDnVMVVGVE82bE9vLXM
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: dziwisz101 on 25-August-17, 09:45:56
In general 10min is not enough to test enything. Try to use better prime95 standard test for RAM and CPU for about an 1 hour/ or AIDA64 test. You have low frequency RAM, but still I would check if you don't have RAM configuration problem. Do you have set in BIOS XMP profile  for RAM? If yes, try to disable it, to make RAM run at standard DDR4 speed- 2133mhz, and then check the PC behavior.
And before RAM maybe, check your HDD drives, with some program like crystal disk info, maybe HDD is dying.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: christopherriddell12 on 26-August-17, 08:49:40
In general 10min is not enough to test enything. Try to use better prime95 standard test for RAM and CPU for about an 1 hour/ or AIDA64 test. You have low frequency RAM, but still I would check if you don't have RAM configuration problem. Do you have set in BIOS XMP profile  for RAM? If yes, try to disable it, to make RAM run at standard DDR4 speed- 2133mhz, and then check the PC behavior.
And before RAM maybe, check your HDD drives, with some program like crystal disk info, maybe HDD is dying.

I fixed my issue by changing my motherboard out to anther brand no more laggy windows.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: chapek on 06-September-17, 07:58:30
Dear all,
I have some problems with my Msi B350 Mate and hope you may have a tip for me.

My system:
Ryzen 7 1700
MSI B350 Mate (A62 Beta)
2x 8 GB G.Skill Flare X DDR4-3200 CL14 (F4-3200C14D-16GFX)
Palit Nvidia 970 GTX
Samsung SSD

My system never starts at the first attempt. The fans are running and it does not go any further. After 2-3 reboots Windows starts and works fine, but the RAM is always loaded in the minimum configuration 2400 Mhz 16-16-16-38. If I change something in the BIOS Ram settings, the system reboots 5 times and minimum configuration of the RAM is reloaded. Even if I manually adjust the minimum configuration, the system reboots 5 times and loads the emergency settings.

I have tried:

The stable Bios version before updating to beta
Loading standard settings and leaving everything on auto
Another Ram (F4-3200C16D-16GVKB Hynix 5.39). This was my first Ram, then I bought the Flare with Samsung B-Die. Nothing changed, except the minimal config of the Hynix was 2133 Mhz
Setting NB Voltage to 1.100 and DDR4 Voltage to 1.350
XMP 1+2
All usefull Memory Try It! settings
 
Nothing changed the strange boot behavior. I don’t want to overclock my Ram to the limit, I just wish for a PC that boots at the first attempt. Maybe you have an idea?

Thank you very much and kind regards
Chris from germany, I hope you can read my english ;-)

Hello Msi-Community,
I've tried a lot of things since I last asked about the problem here and now I strongly believe in a faulty motherboard. Perhaps you can confirm my suspicion here. I think the complete B-Cannel is not working properly.

A1-empty
A2-DIMM
B1-empty
B2-DIMM
Thats how MSI recommends it. This leads to problems. Bios shows both dimms, but only 8gb memory, Windows shows 16gb memory, only 8gb available. Also, poor boot behavior and no settings on the ram possible.

A1-empty
A2-DIMM
B1-empty
B2-empty
perfect

A1-DIMM
A2-empty
B1-empty
B2-empty
perfect

A1-empty
A2-empty
B1-empty
B2-DIMM
no boot

A1-empty
A2-empty
B1-DIMM
B2-empty
no boot

A1-DIMM
A2-DIMM
B1-empty
B2-empty
Boot with 16 gb in Bios, but naturally no Dual Channel.

My question is whether the PC should boot up if only B1 or B2 are occupied with a DIMM?
many thanks and greetings, Chris
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: dziwisz101 on 08-September-17, 08:54:30
You can chceck  memory if it works fine by checking if PC boots with first RAM stick alone and if it boots with secend alone too and with memtest to be sure. But for now it looks like that one or both of B slots for RAM are damaged, i would take motherboard off the case and look very closly if there are no bended pins in RAM socekt. I would try to give motherboard back on warranty. The memory speeds are matter of right configuration.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: ricardocuenk on 11-September-17, 21:56:36
Hello! 
This is my first build and I'm having some problems with the RAM. If someone could give me a tip of what to do I would really appreciate it.
 
My system boots and functions just fine when I only use one ram stick in the A2 slot, but whenever I try to use my second stick in the B2 slot (as msi recommends) the system won't boot. I've tried clearing the CMOS memory and several BIOS configurations (which I set by booting with one stick) with conservative settings (2133 MHz and different sets of timings) but so far the system won't boot with both sticks.
I've tried switching the sticks and they both function properly in the A2 slot. 
I haven't tried using a different slot yet, but if I understand correctly this would disable dual channel and that would reduce performance, right?
I'm using two sticks of Corsair vengenace LPX 8G 2400 (CMK8GX4M1A2400C14), which I've seen is not in the list of compatible RAM, but similar models are :(

What do you think? Is there something else I could try? Should I get different RAM? Should I RMA the motherboard?

Btw I'm using a ryzen 1600 and I'm not overclocking.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 12-September-17, 11:58:29
Have you checked to make sure the CPU pins are all OK?
Have you tried slots A1 and B1 with both sticks of memory?
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: tmorning10 on 14-September-17, 05:39:33
I am also having this issue with Corsair 2x8gb 3000mhz. No bent pins nothing visibility wrong with dimm slots. Will post and boot with either stick in a2 (meaning both sticks work) will post and boot with both sticks in b1 & b2. Wont post at all with a2 b2. Tried with and without xmp profiles enabled. Upgraded bios. Tried beta bios. Reset CMOS. Updated AMD drivers i've done it all.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 14-September-17, 11:22:31
Sounds like either your board or your CPU is bad. Most likely the board though.
See : >>How to contact MSI.<< (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=107326.0)
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: Techno Style on 15-September-17, 23:28:53
Can anybody use this motherboard with 5.1 speakers without problems on Win 10 64 bit?
It sounds as 2.1 speaker. Stereo filling converts it to 3.1 but rear speakers are too thin this time.

Another question: Does latest BIOS stable? Should I update my BIOS to V6 ?
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: dziwisz101 on 17-September-17, 16:16:25
I never used integrated music card on this board, but if you ask about BIOS, so far all versions so far were stable for me including the v6
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: Techno Style on 18-September-17, 21:10:38
So, your external card plays MP3s with 5+1 config. and you can hear the music from all speakers ?
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: rydec92 on 19-September-17, 12:38:06
I also have problem with B2 slot where the RAM is not usable at bios/windows but the ram info shown in memory Z. A1 and A2 work though, dunnoe will it affect the performance of the PC if I run on A1 and A2.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 19-September-17, 12:45:08
I also have problem with B2 slot where the RAM is not usable at bios/windows but the ram info shown in memory Z. A1 and A2 work though, dunnoe will it affect the performance of the PC if I run on A1 and A2.

As others, most likely it is a motherboard issue.....but I would test each stick of memory individually to ensure that they are all good first.
If each stick of RAM is good, then it's most likely a motherboard issue.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: rydec92 on 19-September-17, 12:48:34
As others, most likely it is a motherboard issue.....but I would test each stick of memory individually to ensure that they are all good first.
If each stick of RAM is good, then it's most likely a motherboard issue.
I place the same RAM at B1 and it work that why i try it on A slot later on and it work. Why AMD recommend use B slot ?
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 19-September-17, 13:06:00
By using both A1 and B1, you get dual channel memory, which means you get double the memory  bandwidth. 

That's why you should use both channels.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: Techno Style on 22-September-17, 15:07:45
New BIOS update V7 released. 

Probably this motherboard has a single BIOS and I have a worry about it. You know, if electricity cut occurs when you updating your BIOS...   I don't want to complete rest of the sentence. :)
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: dziwisz101 on 22-September-17, 22:22:40
There is always such risk ;) however I have made all possible BIOS updates one by one on this motherboard and luckly nothing happand, but today about 1 hour after I finished the latest update the electrycity was turn off for few secends due to some tests in place I live- so lucky today :rolleyes_anim:

up^^^ Yes I use  Xonar DX and have no problem at all, however you may need to find proper audio source, MP3 as I know can play only stereo sound, not 5.1 or you may need to use some good program with codex? Which will tune the stero sound to play like original 5.1, like for example: PowerDVD.

In topic of latest BIOS agesa 1006, at least in my case I can;t see any improvment in BIOS, like better RAM compatybilty. However I have inforamtion that new BIOS heleped somebody to get his 2x4gb corsair 3000mhz from 2800mhz to 2933mhz stable, so maybe there are some improvmets for hynix chips.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: radio_x21 on 24-September-17, 07:45:18
Hey guys, i'm having issue with CMOS battery right now, my EZDEBUG's led light up every time i boot up, so i tried reseating the CMOS battery, but now every time i boot from cold start with psu turned off and on again the CMOS cleared itself, any solution?
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: peter_br on 24-September-17, 11:37:16
Hey guys, i'm having issue with CMOS battery right now, my EZDEBUG's led light up every time i boot up, so i tried reseating the CMOS battery, but now every time i boot from cold start with psu turned off and on again the CMOS cleared itself, any solution?

Well you could replace the battery for a new one they are cheap.
And you could check a bios setting in settings called auto clear cmos at boot or something maybe it is on?
Don't know what this setting really does though I keep it off!
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: aiyat on 25-September-17, 05:24:27
Hey,
Does anyone know if the GPU LED has now been fixed? (you know the one that constantly appears on because AMD Ryzen does not have built in graphics?)
Also, recently my boot times have been horrific, on an SSD it takes maybe 30 seconds? It gets stuck on the BIOS screen where it says pro series for a good 20 second loading time.

If any of the above is updated or changed or anyone having same problem, if so, please advise if it has been fixed in this update.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: Techno Style on 25-September-17, 15:54:16
As far as i remember, GPU LED problem was solved via BIOS updates. 
However I'm using old V4 version right now. We have electricity problems these days. So I can't take a risk for updating it.
BIOS boot time reduced with V6 BIOS update but not lightning fast. Your SSD doesn't have a problem. 
AMD Ryzen is launched with unfinished version I think. As you know, we have problems like long BIOS boot time, RAM compability etc. :)
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: mrdarc on 27-September-17, 01:09:09
Hey guys, sorry for the (most probably stupid) question, but am I actally able to use all 4 RAM slots, with say 4 GB of DDR4-3000 RAM each, on the MSI B350 PC Mate board with a Ryzen 1600?
My plan is to buy 2x4 GB RAM now and as most games don't seem to really benefit from >8 GB RAM at the moment I want to add another 2x4 GB RAM in 2-3 years.

My pick would be the Kingston HyerX Predator DDR4-3000 (HX430C15PB3K4/16) which is listed on the MSI B350 PC Mate compatibility list.
https://de.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B350-PC-MATE#support-mem-2
My gut feelding is that if there are 4 RAM slots available I will be able to use all these 4 slots, but then I saw the right column of the compatibility list (the 1-3 checks) and got confused, because my picked RAM only gets a check for 1 and 2 DIMMs...or what does this mean exactly?

Thanks a lot in advance!
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: diego_l7d on 27-September-17, 18:50:05
Hey,
Does anyone know if the GPU LED has now been fixed? (you know the one that constantly appears on because AMD Ryzen does not have built in graphics?)
Also, recently my boot times have been horrific, on an SSD it takes maybe 30 seconds? It gets stuck on the BIOS screen where it says pro series for a good 20 second loading time.

If any of the above is updated or changed or anyone having same problem, if so, please advise if it has been fixed in this update.
Yesterday I updated my BIOS from A4 to A7 and the GPU LED is off now. 

The boot times were improved but I didn't have your problem, so I wouldn't know if you could solve it with an update.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: Techno Style on 30-September-17, 20:35:50
Do I have to overclock the processor for higher RAM speeds ? (For example: 2933 mhz or 3200 mhz)
Can B350 PC MATE run RAMs at 3600 Mhz or above/higher speeds?
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: badboy2k on 30-September-17, 21:17:57
Do I have to overclock the processor for higher RAM speeds ? (For example: 2933 mhz or 3200 mhz) Can B350 PC MATE run RAMs at 3600 Mhz or above/higher speeds?

you need more voltage on the IMC but doing so will reduce the CPU's life quite dramatically.

CPU speed is down to how good the IMC on the CPU is and it may be your Ryzen CPU's Memory controller is only just good enougth to reach the 2667Mhz that AMD Validates them to work at so its down to the silicon lottery!
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: Techno Style on 30-September-17, 21:38:13
you need more voltage on the IMC but doing so will reduce the CPU's life quite dramatically.

CPU speed is down to how good the IMC on the CPU is and it may be your Ryzen CPU's Memory controller is only just good enougth to reach the 2667Mhz that AMD Validates them to work at so its down to the silicon lottery!

So, if my IMC is good enough, I can reach above 2667 mhz without OC. 
Raising IMC voltage is necessary when I want to get 3200 mhz or higher RAM speeds.
Did I understand correctly ?
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 01-October-17, 13:13:57
So, if my IMC is good enough, I can reach above 2667 mhz without OC.
Raising IMC voltage is necessary when I want to get 3200 mhz or higher RAM speeds.
Did I understand correctly ?

No. Any memory frequency higher than 2667 MHz is an overclock. 
If your IMC is good, it might get 3200 MHz or even higher. Given a little more voltage it can help.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: handkemj on 05-October-17, 08:40:40
Hi :)

I build new PC with this board :
1 x AMD Ryzen 5 1600 /3.6GHz, 1 x A-Data 8GB (2x4GB) 3000MHz CL16 XPG Z1 1 x Toshiba 1TB 7200rpm 1 x GoodRam Iridium PRO 240GB 1 x SilentiumPC Fortis 3 HE1425 v2 (SPC130) 1 x Corsair CX550M 550W 120mm Bronze Semi-Modularny (CP-9020102-EU) 1 x SilentiumPC Regnum RG4T Pure Black 1 x Palit GeForce GTX1060 JetStream

 I updated bios to last version then OC Ryzen to 3.7 Ghz using auto setting for voltage and set my RAM manualy to 2933 and chagne DRAM voltage to 1.35 V.
After two days with normal boot and shutdown, now when I turn on, PC need two boot to work properly. On first boot all starts working ( GPU, fan, etc ) then EZ LED turn on then PC shutdown and then second boot start and PC boot this time properly. I dont know if this is situation is normal or something is wrong with PC ??
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 05-October-17, 11:46:48
Hi :)

I build new PC with this board :
1 x AMD Ryzen 5 1600 /3.6GHz, 1 x A-Data 8GB (2x4GB) 3000MHz CL16 XPG Z1 1 x Toshiba 1TB 7200rpm 1 x GoodRam Iridium PRO 240GB 1 x SilentiumPC Fortis 3 HE1425 v2 (SPC130) 1 x Corsair CX550M 550W 120mm Bronze Semi-Modularny (CP-9020102-EU) 1 x SilentiumPC Regnum RG4T Pure Black 1 x Palit GeForce GTX1060 JetStream

 I updated bios to last version then OC Ryzen to 3.7 Ghz using auto setting for voltage and set my RAM manualy to 2933 and chagne DRAM voltage to 1.35 V.
After two days with normal boot and shutdown, now when I turn on, PC need two boot to work properly. On first boot all starts working ( GPU, fan, etc ) then EZ LED turn on then PC shutdown and then second boot start and PC boot this time properly. I dont know if this is situation is normal or something is wrong with PC ??

Usually indicative of cold boot issues. You probably need to adjust CLDO_VDDP to get over it, or possibly ProcODT.
CLDO_VDDP could be anywhere from 0.8V to 0.9V generally. Might want to try in 0.005V increments (I believe it allows that).
ProcODT should realistically be anywhere from 68ohm to around 100 ohms max. I wouldn't go lower than 50 ohms as it may become unstable or not boot and require a clear cmos to fix.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: handkemj on 05-October-17, 11:52:23
Ok thank You. I will try change this settings :)
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: Techno Style on 07-October-17, 14:39:36
Finally updated my BIOS from V4 to V7.
I don't have fast DDR4 sticks but it is nice to see this motherboard now support up to 4000 Mhz RAM speed. :)
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: yukinohoujou on 15-October-17, 21:08:11
When i first got the MSI b350 Mate, It couldn't detect my Mushkin Chronos 120gb SSD reliably. Since it was the only storage device that did this, i simply assumed it was dead and disconnected it. Now, after a few months, i decided to clean my pcs fans and do a bit of cable cleanup. Doing that i also removed the presumably dead Mushkin SSD, Inspected the contact areas for power and sata cable, which were good and soldered down reliably still, then connected it to a sata to usb adapter. To my surprise it was fully functional, without any errors and even pretty speedy over usb 3.0 (450mb/s). The sata cable i used for the Mushkin SSD now gets used by another SSD, a patriot blast 240gb, without any issues, so it couldn't have been the cable. When the Mushkin SSD was connected to the MSI b350 Mate board, i tried it on port1 and port4 with the same result of the SSD sometimes being detected but seen as not readable and sometimes missing totally. Since the Mushkin SSD seems to work after all, is there a known incompatibility with MSI b350 boards, the chipset or the BIOS? The SSDs full name is: MKNSSDCR120GB
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: shaunadriaan on 16-October-17, 06:14:36
Hi i have a b350 pc mate with a ryzen 5 1600x cpu and antec h1200 cooling 16 gb ram 2400 mhz and a msi gtx 1060 3g oc edition. My question is why when i active oc genie my cpu gora from 3.6 ghz to 2.2ghz and not 4ghz an can someone send me the manual settings if possible?
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: maltilite on 17-October-17, 16:55:11
New bios causing splash screen to be stuck on cold boots,  warm ones are ok, anyone?
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: walid.mouhti on 20-October-17, 08:13:56
Hello

i have a question about B350 PC MATE

will it work without bios update with ryzen 3 1200
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: rubic_net on 20-October-17, 09:07:44
Thnx MSI for the A.7 bios update. No more cold boots and no more long lasting post. Now in 20-25 secs I'm into windows that's a great improvement.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: Techno Style on 20-October-17, 21:05:53
What about VRMs ?
B350 PC MATE has Niko semiconductor mosfets. I saw the comments and horror stories about them. They are cheap, unefficient etc.
So what is the max voltage and max frequency for Ryzen 5 1600 ?
I didn't OCed my CPU yet.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: rubic_net on 21-October-17, 07:52:25
Don't know about "max" but my 1600 runs at 3,9 ghz/1.35v. Only for testing ofc because stock voltage and clock is enough for me.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: dkeighobadi on 21-October-17, 14:21:19
So I just bought this Mobo and I have a Ryzen 7 1700 installed with the stock wraith spire RGB cooler and I tried downloading the MSI gaming app to control the RGB but it said this platform is not supported. So I downloaded the MSI Mystic light app which has very few if any customization options. I was wondering if I was doing something wrong or if the mystic light app is the only compatible software with my MOBO?

Also I have Corsair Vengeance lpx 3000mhz Ram but I can only run it at 2667 rn, is the next bios update going to expand the compatibility to work with my Ram? Should I consider OC my Ram to 3200 and if so how do I go about doing that?

Any help is appreciated ^_^

I'm in the same boat. Could anyone help?

btw, I'm not sure whether I just got a dud chip, but my 1500X will only be stable @3.9GHz at 1.38125V. Seems a little high to me so I wasn't sure if I was doing anything wrong.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: Techno Style on 21-October-17, 15:02:39
These B350 motherboards can handle R5 1600 and R7 1700 at 4.0 Ghz 1.35- 1.45 Volts in games i think. Because, games don't use CPU so much. (%50-60 or lower)
But when you OC your R7 1700 to 4.0 Ghz and use it for heavy video rendering... hmm just don't use any B350 for heavy loads.
Beefy X370 Mobos are better for rendering.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 22-October-17, 00:38:17
What about VRMs ?
B350 PC MATE has Niko semiconductor mosfets. I saw the comments and horror stories about them. They are cheap, unefficient etc.
So what is the max voltage and max frequency for Ryzen 5 1600 ?
I didn't OCed my CPU yet.

First, Niko MOSFET's are fine. They are over-specced for the usage. The 'horrible stories' come from people who improperly use those MOSFET's.
For what it's worth, MSI has been using these MOSFET's for the better part of 2 decades now.....if there was truly an issue with the MOSFET's themselves, it would be much more widespread and far reaching.
There's nothing wrong with those MOSFET's, or how they're used.

As far as max voltage and frequency.....I wouldn't go higher than 1.45V on your VCore maximum. There's an AM4 overclocking guide in the overclocking section with better and more intricate information. As far as frequency, Ryzen generally tops out at around 4.0 GHz. Some can get higher (very few can hit 4.2 GHz), but it seems that 4 GHz is generally the maximum most people can get reliably.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: benss.lesmana on 23-October-17, 14:12:09
Thnx MSI for the A.7 bios update. No more cold boots and no more long lasting post. Now in 20-25 secs I'm into windows that's a great improvement.

I've just tried the A7 bios, confirmed it improve boot time by at least 5sec compared to previous bios.
Really happy.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: Techno Style on 23-October-17, 16:00:12
First, Niko MOSFET's are fine. They are over-specced for the usage. The 'horrible stories' come from people who improperly use those MOSFET's.
For what it's worth, MSI has been using these MOSFET's for the better part of 2 decades now.....if there was truly an issue with the MOSFET's themselves, it would be much more widespread and far reaching.
There's nothing wrong with those MOSFET's, or how they're used.

As far as max voltage and frequency.....I wouldn't go higher than 1.45V on your VCore maximum. There's an AM4 overclocking guide in the overclocking section with better and more intricate information. As far as frequency, Ryzen generally tops out at around 4.0 GHz. Some can get higher (very few can hit 4.2 GHz), but it seems that 4 GHz is generally the maximum most people can get reliably.
So, VRMs can tolerate Ryzen 5 1600 at 1.45V 4.0 Ghz %100 usage rendering 7/24 ?  I have a case which has 5 fans.
Rendering is for example. My primary usage scenario is gaming.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: ualdriver on 23-October-17, 23:55:23
8 GB of my RAM is hardware reserved according to task manager. I purchased 16 GB of Trident Z DDR4 RAM for my build, but only 8 GB is utilized by the system.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: badboy2k on 24-October-17, 00:49:42
8 GB of my RAM is hardware reserved according to task manager. I purchased 16 GB of Trident Z DDR4 RAM for my build, but only 8 GB is utilized by the system.

can you try it with each one on its own in the main slot on the board to see if each one is functional or if one on its own causes a no post?

also what OS version are you using?
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: ovics7 on 28-October-17, 14:24:05
I've just tried the A7 bios, confirmed it improve boot time by at least 5sec compared to previous bios. Really happy.

Is it the latest full version? I tryed it, but my overclocking went wrong, so i installed back the A6 bios.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: Techno Style on 10-November-17, 13:59:35
What do you think about newer Ryzen CPUs ? 
Will B350 mobos support them?
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: buddyw53 on 11-November-17, 02:09:13
What do you think about newer Ryzen CPUs ?
Will B350 mobos support them?
What do you mean 'newer'?
The Ryzen 3 CPU's? With the latest BIOS it supports them now. 
The Ryzen APU's (Raven Ridge??) when they come out? I expect that's the real reason for the HDMI/DVI connectors isn't it? I hope not those horrible Bristol Ridge APU's they released in AM4 (so OEM's could make cheap 'gaming' boxes I suppose).

If you mean Zen2....wow, I hope so.  But if so it will doubtless be crippled somewhat since Zen2 is supposed to offer more PCIe lanes and other capabilities right?  That's not an unsurprising strategy, though, since FX worked on older 760 chipset AM3+ boards quite happily even though it took the 990 chipset to stretch it's (somewhat meager, I suppose) legs.  AMD is much more 'upgrade friendly' than Intel that way.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 11-November-17, 05:11:15
Raven Ridge is coming very soon. Support will be there for them.
I would doubt that Zen 2 will be (fully) supported on AM4 boards.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: Techno Style on 11-November-17, 14:46:18
What do you mean 'newer'?
The Ryzen 3 CPU's? With the latest BIOS it supports them now.  
The Ryzen APU's (Raven Ridge??) when they come out? I expect that's the real reason for the HDMI/DVI connectors isn't it? I hope not those horrible Bristol Ridge APU's they released in AM4 (so OEM's could make cheap 'gaming' boxes I suppose).

If you mean Zen2....wow, I hope so.  But if so it will doubtless be crippled somewhat since Zen2 is supposed to offer more PCIe lanes and other capabilities right?  That's not an unsurprising strategy, though, since FX worked on older 760 chipset AM3+ boards quite happily even though it took the 990 chipset to stretch it's (somewhat meager, I suppose) legs.  AMD is much more 'upgrade friendly' than Intel that way.

ZEN2 ZEN3
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: rick.minor on 13-November-17, 12:25:06
Does this board have an LED to indicate 5v standby with the power supply on? 

I currently have a no power/no boot situation. RMA'd the board once with no change. Either thinking I'm unlucky again with a DOA RMA board or power supply is DOA. I can hear a faint power "whine" coming from the psu but that's all I get.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: gertjan.v.d.meij on 17-November-17, 19:26:05
Thnx MSI for the A.7 bios update. No more cold boots and no more long lasting post. Now in 20-25 secs I'm into windows that's a great improvement.

20-25 seconds ???

Mine takes 8 seconds !
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: dkeighobadi on 17-November-17, 19:33:02
Anybody have an idea of how to turn the yellowish leds off? Really clashes with my purple strip.
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: gertjan.v.d.meij on 17-November-17, 19:51:18
Raven Ridge is coming very soon. Support will be there for them....

When can i finally get SUPPORT so i can get the full 3000Mhz on my four g.Skill sticks of 8GB 3000Mhz Ram ? 

First i had two 8 GB sticks , and those run just fine @ 2933Mhz , So i bought an extra set , 

but now ( with 4 sticks ) i can only go to just 2400Mhz ! 

I am waiting for weeks now for the new update ! 

Come on already ! THINK !!!  :idea:
Title: Re: MSI B350 PC MATE discussion thread
Post by: darkhawk on 18-November-17, 04:49:09
When can i finally get SUPPORT so i can get the full 3000Mhz on my four g.Skill sticks of 8GB 3000Mhz Ram ?

First i had two 8 GB sticks , and those run just fine @ 2933Mhz , So i bought an extra set ,

but now ( with 4 sticks ) i can only go to just 2400Mhz !

I am waiting for weeks now for the new update !

Come on already ! THINK !!!  :idea:

1. Calm down. 
2. 2400 MHz is what Ryzen supports with 4 sticks.
3. There's plenty of threads and posts with users having the same results with 4 sticks. I suggest going and reading the entire (all 20+ pages) of the Ryzen memory thread. Plenty of info explaining it there, instead of me (again) explaining it. In fact, almost every single page of that thread explains it because no one bothers to search or read threads, they just want instant answers that go directly to that user.
4. It isn't a problem. Ryzen's memory controller isn't that good. With 4 sticks, it just can't run higher speed memory. In fact, AMD only guarantees 2133 MHz with 4 memory sticks. So even 2400 MHz is overclocked. Consider that for a bit.
5. It isn't going to make a huge difference between 2400 and 2933 MHz in 99% of the scenarios a normal user will encounter.