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Motherboards => Overclocking, Undervolting => Topic started by: darkhawk on 19-May-17, 01:24:35

Title: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: darkhawk on 19-May-17, 01:24:35
NOTE : While I am a moderator and a mild enthusiast, I am by no means an expert.  Do your research, look at some other guides online, and be sure that the changes you make to your system will not hurt it. I ONLY STATE THIS FOR YOUR PROTECTION!  (and as a mild disclaimer that myself nor MSI are responsible for your actions)
NOTE 2 : While this is based on me using an MSI B350 Gaming Plus board with a Ryzen 5 1500X, it will be similar for all MSI based X370 and B350 boards, with only some minor changes in the menus within the overclocking page.
NOTE 3 : This guide is meant for those with little to no knowledge of overclocking. This is a beginners guide, and is not meant to help those doing extreme overclocking and cooling attain higher clocks.

With that out of the way, lets start with some of the basics.
 
The main CPU’s that this guide will cover will be the following :
NAME                                   Base CLK              BOOST CLK
AMD Ryzen 7 1800X        3.6 GHz                 4.0 GHz
AMD Ryzen 7 1700X        3.4 GHz                 3.8 GHz
AMD Ryzen 7 1700           3.0 GHz                 3.7 GHz
AMD Ryzen 5 1600X        3.6 GHz                 4.0 GHz
AMD Ryzen 5 1600           3.2 GHz                 3.6 GHz
AMD Ryzen 5 1500X        3.5 GHz                 3.7 GHz
AMD Ryzen 5 1400           3.2 GHz                 3.4 GHz
 
Let’s start with some basic terminology :
CPU Core Voltage : This is the core voltage fed to the CPU.
CPU NB Voltage : On most MSI motherboards, this really changes the voltage that is fed to all the ancilliary hardware ‘around’ the CPU cores, and it otherwise known as the SoC voltage in most AMD documentation and presentations.
DRAM Voltage : This is the voltage fed to the DRAM modules.
LLC : Load Line Calibration – This is a function of the motherboard whereby it attempts to better handle changes in load and regulate the voltage to a component better during those abrupt changes in load.
DRAM Frequency : This is the frequency of your memory.

BIOS Updates
See : https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=283344.0 (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=283344.0) for the latest BETA BIOS update for your board. This is a great place to start prior to overclocking your board, simply because new features could be added that could allow faster memory or CPU speeds, as well as increased performance for the very young Ryzen platform.

BIOS Setup and Memory Overclocking
 
With that out of the way, lets start with the basics. When you first boot your PC, you’ll be presented with a main screen as follows :
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The first thing you’ll want to do is enter the ‘Advanced’ mode by pressing F7 on your keyboard.
You should now have a screen as follows :
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In this screenshot, you can already see I have overclocked my system….however we can still go over the settings.
At this point, click on the “Overclocking settings OC” button on the middle left.
In there, you will have a screen similar to the following :
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At this point, you see a few settings right away.
I would start by changing the OC Explore Mode : FROM – Normal TO – Expert. This unlocks a few menu’s further down.
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Next, I would change your Memory Retry Count : FROM – 5 TO – 2.
This changes how many times the system will retry booting if you set the memory clock higher than the system can handle.
Next, I would concentrate on getting your memory running at the highest frequency possible. There are a few ways to do this, namely :
1.Setting the DRAM frequency manually
2.Trying the A-XMP Profiles (1 or 2)
3.Using the Memory Try It! Feature
I would attempt to setup the memory in the order outlined above.
MANUAL MEMORY SETUP
First, set the memory to the max frequency supported by the memory. (At the time of this writing, if you are using memory with timings greater than 3200 MHz, the highest you should set it to is 3200 MHz)
At this point, I would reboot and see if it sticks. Be prepared to using the CMOS reset jumper in case it doesn’t work.
If it doesn’t work, then I would go 1 step lower in speed (usually 2933 MHz if starting at 3200 MHz) and see if the system can boot with it at that frequency.
Repeat this until the system can boot and it seems stable.
A-XMP Profiles
If you want to try A-XMP, the profiles work as follows :
1.Profile 1 is 1 step lower than the MAX frequency supported by the memory. So for 3200 MHz memory, it would try it at 2933 MHz.
2.Profile 2 is set to the MAX frequency of your memory.
Select the profile you’d like to use and reboot to see if it’s stable. If it doesn’t boot you may need to clear the CMOS to get it to boot again.
Memory Try It!
This is very simple. It will reboot and try your memory at a few settings to determine which ones will work and go from there.  This is basically a last resort at attempting to just overclock your memory ‘simply’.
 
Now, if you managed to get it to a decent frequency and you’re happy, you can skip down further to the overclocking the CPU parts.
However, if you weren’t quite stable and think things could improve, continue reading!
The first thing to change voltage wise to help with memory overclocking is the NB Voltage. This has valid values of 0.8V to 1.15V for constant usage. Any higher than 1.2V and your CPU’s life span could be decreased substantially!   I generally recommend 1.10V to 1.15V for this if you’re having issues getting the memory running at a higher clock.
 
The next voltage to change is the DRAM Voltage. This can help increase the stability of the system when overclocking the memory. The DRAM Voltage is OK from 1.2V up to 1.45V. Any higher than 1.5V and your memory may get cooked or damaged!   I don’t recommend anything over 1.45V for the memory.
 
At this point, reboot and see if it works. It might take a few tries to get everything configured properly and working well, but those higher clock speeds will be worth if, if your memory supports it.
CPU Overclocking
Now that we have the memory overclocking setup and stable, it’s time to overclock the CPU. This is quite simply a matter of changing the frequency and the BIOS should take care of the rest. See the next picture for a before :
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And after :
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Just type in the frequency you’d like (in MHz) and that’s it!
Next, I would consider increasing the CPU Core Voltage. This is normally around 1.2V under a full load at stock settings, but can vary up to 1.5V under heavy loads with XFR.
That being said, for a 24 hour/7day/week overclock, I would keep the CPU Core Voltage between 1.2V and 1.45V at the very maximum! I generally wouldn’t even go above 1.4V for an overclock.

At this point, save and reboot to see if the overclock boots to the BIOS. If it doesn’t, then you either have the frequency too high (Lower it by 100 MHz), or your CPU Core Voltage is too low (increase it by 0.175V at a time, until you hit 1.4V).
If you up the CPU Core Voltage to 1.4V and it’s still having issues booting into Windows or running a benchmark without restarting, I would lower the CPU Frequency by 100 MHz and try again.
 
To give some reference, my R5 1500X was able to hit 4.0 GHz at 1.3875V stable during Prime95 and other benchmarks, followed by a few hours of random games.
However, at 4.1 GHz I could boot to the BIOS and be stable, but I was unable to boot into Windows successfully, even at 1.45V.
This is how I arrived at using 4.0 GHz and then 1.3875V. Any less than 1.3875V and it would restart when I tried to do a benchmark or a game.
 
I’ve also seen a number of people concerned with their temperatures.
My case is by no means the perfect setup, and my wiring is by no means in the best ‘placement’ to allow efficient air flow. However, my system temps are all in the 30C to 45C degree range while typing this up. I wouldn’t be surprised to see them increase as load increases, but realistically the system temps should stay below 60C.
 
If there are any questions, concerns, or things that are incorrect, please post so that we can fix them!

Also, if you’d like, post your overclocks and voltages. It’s interesting to see what other users are able to get.
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: darkhawk on 19-May-17, 01:32:57
Username   CPU      Overclock  Core Voltage  Memory Clock  Memory Make
darkhawk1500X4.0 GHz1.3875V2400Adata (unknown model ATM)
Nichrome1500X4.0 GHz1.40V2133Avexir White Core Series 2x8GB
buywonderbread17003.9 GHz1.36253200G.Skill TridentZ F4-3200C14D-16GTZ
Nichrome1500X4.0GHz1.40V2933XPG ADATA Dazzle ME-AD4824D16x2
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: Nichrome on 19-May-17, 09:09:05
I recently got myself Ryzen system too. Although got a X370 SLI PLUS. Here's my progress:

1500X  4.0GHz  1.4v(didn't try lower yet)  Mem. Spd. 2133MHz   Mem. Brand: Avexir White Core Series 2x8GB.


Just to note: I did try extreme voltage to get 4.1GHz, but no POST. 1.55v is no go.
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: Tech025 on 19-May-17, 15:06:16
Hello, I have an msi b350m mortar and ryzen 1600x when I set the cpu frequency to 3800 and cpu core voltage to 1.3125 or higher, it booted successfully and it shows on bios the
overclocked frequency but on windows it runs only on 2199mhz. But if i set the voltage to auto it works without problem. Is it a bug in bios?
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: darkhawk on 19-May-17, 16:18:39
Hello, I have an msi b350m mortar and ryzen 1600x when I set the cpu frequency to 3800 and cpu core voltage to 1.3125 or higher, it booted successfully and it shows on bios the
overclocked frequency but on windows it runs only on 2199mhz. But if i set the voltage to auto it works without problem. Is it a bug in bios?

Most likely it is a bug.....I've sent info to MSI to see if they can look into it, as it seems to be a pretty widespread issue on a number of boards right now with the latest BIOS.
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: buywonderbread on 20-May-17, 09:57:52
My most rock solid OC on my Ryzen 7 1700 is 3.9GHz on my b350 Tomahawk motherboard.

CPU Voltage: 1.3625
NB Voltage: 1.025
Ram Voltage: 1.36
Using LLC mode 3 for NB and CPU voltages.

Using 2 x 8GB sticks of TridentZ F4-3200C14D-16GTZ @ 3200MHz with correct XMP timings (14-14-14-34)

3950 MHz or higher at these voltages is not stable.  I tried 4GHz with 1.45V on CPU and 1.1V on NB but system restarts when running prime95 small FFT not too long into the test.  I think the only thing that may squeeze more performance out would be playing with a BLCK feature which my board does not have.

Also adding 2 more sticks of the same ram causes further issues with stability.  4 sticks can only achieve 2933MHz with loose timings (18-20-20-38 I believe)

That's my experience so far using the latest beta bios (v1.61)
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: nicki.yugi on 26-May-17, 03:46:58
hello everyone! my most stable oc with the b350 gaming pro motherboard and the ryzen 1600 none x version was 3.8 ghz using the above method. i ran timespy benchmark and it yielded a cpu score of 5277 whice is pretty damn good in my opinion. my core voltage in cpuz is going as high as 1.4 i realy hope i will be ok lol
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: darkhawk on 26-May-17, 06:16:27
hello everyone! my most stable oc with the b350 gaming pro motherboard and the ryzen 1600 none x version was 3.8 ghz using the above method. i ran timespy benchmark and it yielded a cpu score of 5277 whice is pretty damn good in my opinion. my core voltage in cpuz is going as high as 1.4 i realy hope i will be ok lol

I'm just glad this is helpful to someone. :)

3.8 GHz isn't bad at all. I had to drop to 3.9 GHz myself because 4.0 GHz was a bit too unpredictable and crashed under heavy loads, even with much more voltage.
3.9 GHz was rock solid for me though.

Hopefully, eventually, I can expand on this more once I have more parts to better handle this thread.
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: nicki.yugi on 26-May-17, 13:12:05
I'm just glad this is helpful to someone. :)

3.8 GHz isn't bad at all. I had to drop to 3.9 GHz myself because 4.0 GHz was a bit too unpredictable and crashed under heavy loads, even with much more voltage.
3.9 GHz was rock solid for me though.

Hopefully, eventually, I can expand on this more once I have more parts to better handle this thread.
i am vary happy with my oc even tho i know most people with my cpu can get atleast 3.9 and some rare cases of 4  or 4.1. i seem to be fairly stable and honestly this cpu seems to rek every task ive thrown at it with little to no sweat, regardless of the wraith cooler thats on there xD my question to you sir is. am i soposely allright at 1.4v on the core? for a 24/7 operation?
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: darkhawk on 26-May-17, 14:56:21
i am vary happy with my oc even tho i know most people with my cpu can get atleast 3.9 and some rare cases of 4  or 4.1. i seem to be fairly stable and honestly this cpu seems to rek every task ive thrown at it with little to no sweat, regardless of the wraith cooler thats on there xD my question to you sir is. am i soposely allright at 1.4v on the core? for a 24/7 operation?

1.4V is the absolute maximum I would use for a 24/7 clock, with a good/decent cooler. The wraith is probably sufficient.

I might try seeing if you can drop it down to 1.3875 just for the sake of it.

Also....as a side note....when you setup your overclock, after you adjust the voltage, go down to the CPU settings at the very bottom and enable AMD Cool'N'Quiet again. (It auto-disables when you overclock/over-volt).
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: nicki.yugi on 26-May-17, 20:08:03
1.4V is the absolute maximum I would use for a 24/7 clock, with a good/decent cooler. The wraith is probably sufficient.

I might try seeing if you can drop it down to 1.3875 just for the sake of it.

Also....as a side note....when you setup your overclock, after you adjust the voltage, go down to the CPU settings at the very bottom and enable AMD Cool'N'Quiet again. (It auto-disables when you overclock/over-volt)
thank you so much sir. thanks to your advise i managed to add another 100mhz making my oc 3.9!!! i double checked my bios and it besicly tells me that even tho i put in 1.3875volts on vcore it still bounces up to 1.392 whice is sopose should be allright now that cool n queiet i back
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: papasteack on 28-May-17, 23:47:16
My actual overclock with r5 1600 is 3,85Ghz with 1,3875V on a b350 tomahawk (beta bios 1,62 agesa 1.0.0.6). Needed too much voltage to stabilize higher frequency, and fans runned crazy too often.
DDR4 is 2*4Go Adata xpg z1 3333 cl16 (single rank)@3200 CR1-CL14@1,45V. Stable under prime blend test. Agesa 1.0.0.6 allowed  CL14, against CL16 before.

When cpu was brand new, it were stable at same voltage at 3,95ghz under prime, so lost 100mhz.

I wasn't far from stabilizing memory at 3333, found 2 procODT working values (53-60 ohm) with ~1,05 to ~1,2v working CLDO vddp values, 1,2v on soic NB voltage, and 1,45 on DDR4. I used even CR2 CL18 timings.
It seemed that soic voltage were the problem, since windows was not starting at 1v, but 1-2min stable under prime at 1,2v. Didn't want to try higher. 
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: metalwarrior2001 on 06-June-17, 13:09:14
Got 3,8 GHz on my R5 1600 on a B350 Tomahawk @ 1,25V Vcore (set on Auto, because manual VCore setting doesn't work currently )
Seems to be a pretty good CPU  :)
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: contact on 07-June-17, 14:26:57
Got 3,8 GHz on my R5 1600 on a B350 Tomahawk @ 1,25V Vcore (set on Auto, because manual VCore setting doesn't work currently )
Seems to be a pretty good CPU  :)
Can you confirm that you just set the frequency to 3800 and that's all ? :)
By the way, what is the frequency of your DDR4 and your BIOS version ?
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: yuvathejaer on 08-June-17, 18:33:06
Where did the op get click bios 5 software from. I searched whole internet but it didnt find it
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: yuvathejaer on 08-June-17, 18:49:49
Mine is a x370 carbon gaming mobo. Most of the bios settings shown by Op are missing. This is ridiculous, compared to the price-features others are getting using a x350 gaming plus
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: yuvathejaer on 08-June-17, 19:02:05
I dont have features like memory try it/ retry count with a msi x370 gaming carbon. Are you kidding me why is it included in a low price 350 gaming plus compared to the high priced x370 carbon gaming
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: darkhawk on 08-June-17, 19:06:34
I dont have features like memory try it/ retry count with a msi x370 gaming carbon. Are you kidding me why is it included in a low price 350 gaming plus compared to the high priced x370 carbon gaming

Because the B350 Gaming Plus has a newer BIOS available with AGESA 1.0.0.6. The X370 Gaming Carbon does not have an updated bios with that included yet. 
The B350 Tomahawk, Tomahawk Arctic, PC Mate, and Gaming Plus all have nearly identical designs and get updates at the same time.
The B350 Tomahawk and X370 Titanium are the main motherboards that get BIOS updates first, and then it disseminates to all other boards in the series afterwards.
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: yuvathejaer on 08-June-17, 19:10:28
So, I can get it soon hopefully. Thanks for the reply @darkhawk
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: darkhawk on 08-June-17, 19:13:37
So, I can get it soon hopefully. Thanks for the reply @darkhawk

I don't have a time frame of WHEN the next BIOS will be available. My hope is that it's soon, but it's proving to be taking longer than even I expected. :(
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: yuvathejaer on 09-June-17, 03:14:53
@darkhawk Are the screenshots from your bios or from the clickbios software for windows?
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: darkhawk on 09-June-17, 03:21:25
@darkhawk Are the screenshots from your bios or from the clickbios software for windows?

That is from my B350 Gaming Plus test system. I'm running a newer BIOS now (M22), but the general options are the same.
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: Nichrome on 09-June-17, 08:13:09
There is no clickbios software for windows anymore.
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: metalwarrior2001 on 09-June-17, 13:25:57
Can you confirm that you just set the frequency to 3800 and that's all ? :)
By the way, what is the frequency of your DDR4 and your BIOS version ?
Yes i can confitm it. I just set the frequency to 3800Mhz and left the Vcore on Auto. But i did it out of necessity, because i cant change the vcore setting due to a bios bug ( CPU will run @1550 Mhz if i set the vore manually )

My Ram runs @ 2667 with 14-16-16-16-34 1T settings and i am using the latest 1.64 beta Bios.
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: yuvathejaer on 09-June-17, 18:54:23
Thanks for the info Nochrome, but why did they remove it? It was working good with my 970 gaming mobo.
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: yuvathejaer on 09-June-17, 18:57:15
@darkhawk I updated my bios to the latest available version in msi website and viola I can see the missing options now
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: sankinartur on 12-June-17, 18:46:28
Hi,
Have available Ryzen 1600X and 2x 8GB Corsair Vengeance LPX CMK16GX4M2B3200C16 (is recomented to work at 3.2 GHz) on B350 Tomahawk.
Question on overclocking RAM. On the BIOS 1.5 memory to XMP1 profile starts at a frequency of 2933, not more, on the XMP2 profile the computer will not start. After updating to BIOS 1.64 computer does not start even at the XMP1 profile. No manual, Memory Try it! presets on 2933 3200 no presets, no manual frequency setting was not successful. Ie at 1.64 I have not managed to overclock the memory in any way at all. The system was run exclusively on the 2133. Had to roll back to 1.5 for a stable 2933.
The question of how to achieve frequency 3200? And in the Internet there are profiles that CPU-Z where the frequency of 3200 was reached at Vengeance LPX CMK16GX4M2B3200C16.

I will try NB/SoC voltage to 1.1V
DRAM voltage to 1.4V or 1.45V
Manually set the frequency to 2933 MHz or 3200 MHz, but the system does not start even at 2933 in manual mode. System consistently starts with 3900CPU and 2933RAM only and only XMP1 profile in BIOS 1.5. The BIOS 1.64 and earlier run only in 2133. Are there any other ideas?
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: Nichrome on 12-June-17, 18:48:28
Just a little update. Updated my BIOS to BETA version with AGESA 1.0.0.6, and my RAM rated at 2x8GB 2400MHz is running just fine with MemoryTryIt! at 2933MHz! Had to put ADATA RAM back into this system, as Avexir looks better in my main build 8-))
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Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: yuvathejaer on 12-June-17, 19:04:00
Wow, @nichrome thats a great news, hope my corsiar vengeance 2400 will run at atleast 2666Mhz after next agesa bios update
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: yuvathejaer on 12-June-17, 19:08:26
By the way mine is a corsair vengeance lpx 2400 kit. I tried overclocking it but it didnt work and only thing I can achieve is tighter timings and that too with memory try it
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: yuvathejaer on 12-June-17, 19:14:37
@Darkhawk after I updated my bios to 7A32v15. Every time I switch on my pc it directs to bios screen without any key press then when I reboot again it goes into windows. Did any one faced this problem, respond?
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: Nichrome on 12-June-17, 19:18:14
@Darkhawk after I updated my bios to 7A32v15. Every time I switch on my pc it directs to bios screen without any key press then when I reboot again it goes into windows. Did any one faced this problem, respond?
Uninstall current Command Center and install this version:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-Z98LONNR0hSjF2RFRYR0FrcnM/view
Also next time open new thread.
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: yuvathejaer on 12-June-17, 19:21:24
Thanks nichrome
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: sankinartur on 13-June-17, 19:18:43
In the case of reaching 3200, anyone have ideas?
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: darkhawk on 13-June-17, 19:25:06
In the case of reaching 3200, anyone have ideas?

Outside of trying more loose timings, there isn't much to be done. 
Remember, it isn't guaranteed to hit 3200 MHz....it's an overclock, and not every CPU will do the same speeds.
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: conguyen1204 on 15-June-17, 12:55:32
Hi guys,
I got trouble with my PC in OC mode.
PC:
Main B350M Mortal
CPU Ryzen 5 1400

Default CPU F= 3.2
Boost CPU F=3.7

When I try to active Game Boost Function in BIOS (F + 500MHz)
CPU F become 3.7MHz 
Other function (RAM, FAN..) no change.
 ... but.
Vcore from 1.254 to 1.464V
So, every time i reboot, first time, PC boot to BIOS and alarm Vcore high (red color).
I must press 10 to agree and reboot, PC enter windown, i check by MSI CPUz that time is 1.464V

I test some game, soft, Temp. CPU from 40 - 60 (oC).. i think not so bad
But i afraid for my hardware if Vcore over 1.4V

Please tell me this is a trouble or normal status when active game boost function.!!!
Many thanks for your advise!!
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: darkhawk on 16-June-17, 02:49:36
I prefer to not use gameboost.
I don't like MSI decided to use voltages that high.

If you really want the best overall overclock, stick to doing it by manual methods via the guide.
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: isi--81 on 17-June-17, 01:19:28
Quote from: sankinartur (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=286610.msg1628720#msg1628720) on Tue Jun 13 2017 13:18:43 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)Quote from: sankinartur (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=286610.msg1628720#msg1628720)In the case of reaching 3200, anyone have ideas?

CLDO_VDDP @ 0.975V, SoC @ 1.1625V, DRAM @ 1.36-1.4V
Combine those voltages above with the Memory Try it! for 3200 18-20 etc, change that first 18 to 20 too, so that you have 3200 CL20-20-20-20-38.
If that wont work, stay with 3066MHz. To be honest, in most games you will not see any advantages between 3200 vs f.e.2666, because we  are most of the time GPU limited.
My 2666MHz RAM can do 3200MHz but i prefer to use 3066MHz with lower voltages, lower SoC voltage etc.
You can see differences in FPS when you play f.e. @ 1080P with medium settings, with at least a GTX 1070 or higher.
Test it for yourself check FPS with your video settings you normally use and native resolution of your monitor.
@ 1080P max Settings and above you will see nearly no differences at all between 2666 vs 3200.
Most of the time high CPU clocks arent needed eighter. nearly no difference in FPS between 3.6GHz vs 4GHz, like i said try it for yourself in your games.
You can deactivate the "turbo mode" too (Core Performance Boost in the Bios), with that deactivated, my 1700 is running with 3.7GHz allcore and max 1.192V (voltage on auto) (if turbo mode enabled voltage will go very high 1.4V+)
On auto the voltages will drop in idle mode to <0.7V or even lower. Thats some of my experiences so far.
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: d-tsi on 17-June-17, 14:32:42
Hello there and thanx for this awesome guide!
I have ryzen 1700 with MSI gaming pro carbon and vengeance LPX 2x8 3200MHz.
I have the known issue that my RAM is running at 2100 so i just treaked only the DRAM frequency to 2900 from bios just as u showed in your guide.
Seems to working fine, i mean it recognises it at 2900 but everytime i open the pc i get the alarm sound (5 times) and then my pc opens.My question is about that sound.Should i do something about it? and how? What this sound trying to indicate me?
Thanx again!
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: darkhawk on 17-June-17, 15:04:18
Hello there and thanx for this awesome guide!
I have ryzen 1700 with MSI gaming pro carbon and vengeance LPX 2x8 3200MHz.
I have the known issue that my RAM is running at 2100 so i just treaked only the DRAM frequency to 2900 from bios just as u showed in your guide.
Seems to working fine, i mean it recognises it at 2900 but everytime i open the pc i get the alarm sound (5 times) and then my pc opens.My question is about that sound.Should i do something about it? and how? What this sound trying to indicate me?
Thanx again!

What BIOS version are you on? 
Have you tried a newer beta BIOS? See : https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=283344.0 (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=283344.0)
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: d-tsi on 17-June-17, 15:06:24
Update:
I forgot to mention that i also tweaked NB V. to 1.10 and DRAM v. to 1.2 to see if that sound will stop.Then i also downgraded the DRAM frequency to 2660, but again the sound didnt stop.
The pc and the ram was working fine though. but I didnt risk it to let it there so i restore to default Bios setting and DRAM fr. went again to 2100 :(
Any suggestion? (except tofrom waiting for bios update...)
Thank you in advance.
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: d-tsi on 17-June-17, 15:09:01
Thank you for your reply.
I m using 1.2 version.
I saw these new versions but arent them Beta? i know tha soon the new AGESA version will come out but no for my gaming pro carbon yet.
Is beta versions safe or should i wait the original new one?
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: darkhawk on 17-June-17, 15:11:00
See my post above.

It sounds like you're on a much older BIOS, which did have cases where that could happen.
The newer BETA BIOS should be more forgiving.

They are relatively safe and do include the AGESA updates in them. All the B350 and X370 boards at this point from MSI should have an AGESA 1.0.0.6 version available within that thread. Just download the newest one and try it out. 

Most users have been able to get at least within 1 step down from their memories rated speeds (so, 2933 MHz for 3200 memory), and many can hit the rated frequency.
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: 99007vbond on 17-June-17, 16:19:23
I am using MSI X370 Krait Gaming Motherboard with AMD Ryzen 5 1600X (overclocked to 3.9GHz), Memory G.Skill Ripjwas V F4-3000C15D-16GVRB ( overclocked to 2933MHz ) and MSI GTX 1060 Gaming X 6G Graphic card, Cooler Master 120 Lite cpu cooler and 550 watt power supply , Windows 10 Pro 64 Bit.

Issue's

Processor Clock speed limited to 2200 MHz i.e 2.2 GHz with the latest bios 7A33v13.
Processor Clock speed limited to 2200 MHz i.e 2.2 GHz eliminates when older bios is flashed i.e 7A33v10.
When older version of bios is flashed the memory clock speed which is represented in the windows task manager is 1067 i.e 2133 Double Data Rate.
When latest version of bios is flashed the memory clock speed which is represented in the windows task manager becomes 2933.
MSI Gaming App OSD Shows the right overclock for memory 2933 with both old and latest bios version.
No matter what windows task manager shows the right overclock for processor in latest bios and with older version of it.
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: Nichrome on 17-June-17, 16:40:47
Guys, please post your issues in relevant sections. This topic is overclocking related, not BETA BIOS issues or anything like that. For such issues, post in BETA section with own, new thread.
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: Benz on 21-June-17, 17:59:40
Well after OCing with MSI Command Center my Ryzen 5 1600 can achieve a stable OC @ 4GHz w 1.3750 vCore. At least until new BIOS arrives to rectify this most unfortunate circumstance.
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: ereider20010103 on 13-July-17, 13:09:50
Hello, I have an msi b350m mortar and ryzen 1600x when I set the cpu frequency to 3800 and cpu core voltage to 1.3125 or higher, it booted successfully and it shows on bios the
overclocked frequency but on windows it runs only on 2199mhz. But if i set the voltage to auto it works without problem. Is it a bug in bios?
Lucky! My 1700 @ 3.8GHz needs 1.3875v to be stable from 1.275v 3.7GHz... Would PLL increase make it easier to reach 3.9GHz?
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: makc.pst on 16-July-17, 19:20:48
MB B350 Tomahawk BIOS 1.60
Ryzen R5 1600 @ 3825 MHz 1.375 Vcore
Kingston HyperX Fury HX426C15FB/8 x 2 (Micron B-die 25nm 2-Rank) @ 3066 MHz CL 14-16-16-35 (1.38 Vddr, 1.15 Vsoc, 0.92 V CLDO_VDDP, Proc_ODT 68.6 Ohm)

Fully stable memtest, OCCT, linpack-AVX
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: Benz on 17-July-17, 00:07:02
Yup that's it.

Beta BIOS v1.51 for X370 Krait Gaming fixed the issue with multiplier stuck at x15.5 for non X models and x22 for X models.
Now my damn CPU can't hit 4GHz with any given voltage. The maximum is 3.95GHz @ 1.365v rock stable which is totally fine for now till refined Ryzens hit the market :)
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: manaolanze on 19-July-17, 09:19:47
Most likely it is a bug.....I've sent info to MSI to see if they can look into it, as it seems to be a pretty widespread issue on a number of boards right now with the latest BIOS.
^ any update for this? Im using R5 1600 3.9 and 3200 and on h61 bios. But in windows it says otherwise
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: Nichrome on 19-July-17, 11:27:03
I am not sure how many time we have to say that we have no control and no ETA about BIOS updates...
See >>How to contact MSI.<< (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=107326.0)
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: darkhawk on 19-July-17, 12:04:52
^ any update for this? Im using R5 1600 3.9 and 3200 and on h61 bios. But in windows it says otherwise

There's a NOTE at the top of the very thread you go to to download any beta bios's, that explicitly states we have no idea, no control, and no information on when any BIOS updates occur, or will occur.

As far as the issue is concerned, the latest beta bios, as far as I'm aware, for every board, should resolve the issue.
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: Benz on 21-July-17, 23:18:18
Yes darkhawk is right, use Beta BIOS for now till they resolve the problem, worked for me no issues ever since.
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: joneconklin on 22-July-17, 18:53:18
Was wondering why the options in BIOS for the MSI Carbon Pro were watered down. Guess I am at the back of the line for updates. Will have to try latest BIOS when I get back on Sunday.
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: mrcmarkch on 23-July-17, 05:01:47
Hi Guys

I have a B350M Bazooka wth the latest bios (1.5)

My OC menu is slightly different with darkhawk it has the below

(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab171/mrcmark/cpu.png)
Please can you identify what the below is?

CPU NB/SoC Volate - this is the CPU NB voltage right?
CDO_VVDP voltage - not sure what this is but I read it can help with memory OC stability.

I ask because I'm overclockin my memory over 2400 mhz using Ryzen Master application but cannot find the "vddcr soc" in the bios.

Can you help point me in the right direction. 

Thank you!

Specs

Ryzen 5 1500x
MSI B350M Bazooka
Avexir Core Series DDR4 2400mhz
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: jmmandryk on 23-July-17, 17:21:09
Interesting issue- X370 Gaming Carbon- latest bios. 16 GB ram 3200 running fine, CPU - 1600X
When I try to overclock the CPU. no mater how small of an OC when it goes to repost it does not recognize the GPU ( r9-Fury X crossfire) 

When I clear CMOS and start over it works just fine.

any ideas?
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: nesty1990 on 23-July-17, 18:18:08
CPU NB/SoC Volate - this is the CPU NB voltage right?
CDO_VVDP voltage - not sure what this is but I read it can help with memory OC stability.

I ask because I'm overclockin my memory over 2400 mhz using Ryzen Master application but cannot find the "vddcr soc" in the bios.

cpu nb/soc voltage is what is known as vddcr_soc in ryzen master :biggthumbsup:

and as for cldo_vddp - it is internal voltage fed to imc ... for me changing it from auto (whatever auto voltage is..) to 925mv seems to have completely mitigated cold boot issue at 2933mhz

Interesting issue- X370 Gaming Carbon- latest bios. 16 GB ram 3200 running fine, CPU - 1600X When I try to overclock the CPU. no mater how small of an OC when it goes to repost it does not recognize the GPU ( r9-Fury X crossfire) When I clear CMOS and start over it works just fine. any ideas?


what vcore and llc are you using ?
this may be same issue as i have - since newest bios release (1.6) i can´t oc cpu with auto voltage and manually set llc  (like 3.7ghz, auto vcore, llc1) ... however it still works if both vcore and llc are set to auto or manual
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: jmmandryk on 23-July-17, 19:19:39
cpu nb/soc voltage is what is known as vddcr_soc in ryzen master :biggthumbsup:

and as for cldo_vddp - it is internal voltage fed to imc ... for me changing it from auto (whatever auto voltage is..) to 925mv seems to have completely mitigated cold boot issue at 2933mhz


what vcore and llc are you using ?
this may be same issue as i have - since newest bios release (1.6) i can´t oc cpu with auto voltage and manually set llc  (like 3.7ghz, auto vcore, llc1) ... however it still works if both vcore and llc are set to auto or manual


I manually set voltage to 1.3... Not sure if other items were left on auto. Let me retry and I will get back
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: jmmandryk on 23-July-17, 20:53:17
No luck with anything. Even just manually setting the OC to the std 3600. Leaving all else in Auto, making all else manual to the same settings. Time for more research, or wait for the next update
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: mrcmarkch on 24-July-17, 00:33:37
Thank you! @nesty1990
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: mrcmarkch on 29-July-17, 14:13:32
Ok success in overclocking my memory to 2933 mhz the other day ;D. Now on to overclocking Ryzen.

(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab171/mrcmark/pass.png)
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: MattBoxer on 02-August-17, 19:59:52
I am running a 1700 @ stock and ram @ 2933 on a X370 Gaming Pro Carbon (non-AC)

But on the latest BOIS on MSI's site (7A31v17), no matter what clockspeed or voltage I change too the OC just won't apply and as soon as I go into windows it is running at stock speeds.

Is this solved in the BETA BIOS or will I have to deal with it?

Thanks ;-))

EDIT: Is there any chance I can change my display name to MattBoxer?

Thanks Again!
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: darkhawk on 03-August-17, 00:11:21
I am running a 1700 @ stock and ram @ 2933 on a X370 Gaming Pro Carbon (non-AC)

But on the latest BOIS on MSI's site (7A31v17), no matter what clockspeed or voltage I change too the OC just won't apply and as soon as I go into windows it is running at stock speeds.

Is this solved in the BETA BIOS or will I have to deal with it?

Thanks ;-))

EDIT: Is there any chance I can change my display name to MattBoxer?

Thanks Again!

I would start by trying a beta bios.

Changed your account name. login/password remain the same.
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: MattBoxer on 03-August-17, 17:38:32
Thanks!

And yeah I'll try the BETA 😁
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: MattBoxer on 04-August-17, 11:25:38
I would start by trying a beta bios.

Changed your account name. login/password remain the same.

Funnily enough, the board behaves the same even with the latest BETA BIOS. CPU in BIOS set to 3.85 and voltage @ 1.325 and as soon as I get into windows it has set itself back to 3GHz.

 Welp it was worth a try.

EDIT: the BETA I tried was V1.82.
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: the_boys2008 on 07-August-17, 10:57:36
Hi..I have a problem . I have ryzen 3 1300x with last bios update 1.5 on b350-bazooka . Every time when I try to use game boost or I manually OC CPU with any value it shows 1.55 mhz to me in bios and windows . I have win 10 64 bit ..And another problem is that when I manually set ram latency in bios they won't apply . For my ram -> ADATA XPG Z1 Gold 8GB DDR4 3000MHz CL16 Dual Channel Kit  works only xmp profile 1 wich is 2633 but xmp profile 2 won't work , bios automatically set 17-17-17-17-39 latency and I can't change them with or without XMP profile active .
Sry for my bad language , I hope you can understand what I mean . W8ing for reply ,thx !
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: darkhawk on 07-August-17, 11:32:46
Hi..I have a problem . I have ryzen 3 1300x with last bios update 1.5 on b350-bazooka . Every time when I try to use game boost or I manually OC CPU with any value it shows 1.55 mhz to me in bios and windows . I have win 10 64 bit ..And another problem is that when I manually set ram latency in bios they won't apply . For my ram -> ADATA XPG Z1 Gold 8GB DDR4 3000MHz CL16 Dual Channel Kit  works only xmp profile 1 wich is 2633 but xmp profile 2 won't work , bios automatically set 17-17-17-17-39 latency and I can't change them with or without XMP profile active .
Sry for my bad language , I hope you can understand what I mean . W8ing for reply ,thx !

This is not a support thread. Make your own thread in the motherboard section like everyone else does.
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: mrcmarkch on 12-August-17, 17:05:35
So I had to redo my memory OC as it was not stable at HCI Memtest.
Its now at:
2933 Mhz
17-18-18-38 2T
V 1.35
Cpu SOC V 1.10

For my Ryzen 1500x, this the sweetspot im comfortable 24/7
3.9 ghz with V 1.3125
It's a no go at 4.0 ghz with V1.375 as it crashes in OCCT. Not comfortable going above this voltage.

Now on to gaming :biggthumbsup:

(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab171/mrcmark/cachemem2933_hci2.png)

(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab171/mrcmark/3.9%20at%201.3125.png)


CPU: Ryzen 5 1500x
Motherboard: MSI B350M Bazooka 1.5v bios
RAM: Avexir Core Series Red DDR4
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: coreylane683 on 27-August-17, 16:20:19
Thanks,

Using this guide I was able to set my OC to 3.9 and ram to 2933.
I stress test and bench mark the settings and temp remained under 68 degrees.
But when I shut down the PC, the pc cycle a couple of times and when I log in, the clock speeds revert back to default via CPU-Z and Ryzen master. 
But in the BIOS it shows the OC speed at the top of 3.9 but the ram goes back to 2133. I check the OC settings and the OC voltage,etc is set correctly, but in Windows it shows 3.6 instead of 3.9?
Is there another setting that needs to be set in the BIOS?
I've updated the BIOS to the latest one.

I'm using a MSI gaming plus b350
Ryzen 5 1600x
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: darkhawk on 27-August-17, 22:35:54
Thanks,

Using this guide I was able to set my OC to 3.9 and ram to 2933.
I stress test and bench mark the settings and temp remained under 68 degrees.
But when I shut down the PC, the pc cycle a couple of times and when I log in, the clock speeds revert back to default via CPU-Z and Ryzen master.
But in the BIOS it shows the OC speed at the top of 3.9 but the ram goes back to 2133. I check the OC settings and the OC voltage,etc is set correctly, but in Windows it shows 3.6 instead of 3.9?
Is there another setting that needs to be set in the BIOS?
I've updated the BIOS to the latest one.

I'm using a MSI gaming plus b350
Ryzen 5 1600x

Sounds like the RAM isn't quite able to do that frequency properly during a reboot. Have you changed your NB/SoC voltage at all? What about DRAM voltage? CLDO_VDDP?
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: coreylane683 on 27-August-17, 23:30:50
Sounds like the RAM isn't quite able to do that frequency properly during a reboot. Have you changed your NB/SoC voltage at all? What about DRAM voltage? CLDO_VDDP?
Here is a screen shot of what it is doing:

Here is what the BIOS is showing:
[attachthumb=1]

And here what WIndows is showing:
[attachthumb=2]


And everytime I shut down the computer, it goes thru a power cycle about 5 times and the OC revert back when I login to WIndows.

I've just reinstalled Windows and I will use the chipset driver from MSI site and not the one from the AMD site and see if that will change anything.

Any other suggestions?
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: coreylane683 on 28-August-17, 01:26:40
Here is a screen shot of what it is doing:

Here is what the BIOS is showing:
[attachthumb=1]

And here what WIndows is showing:
[attachthumb=2]


And everytime I shut down the computer, it goes thru a power cycle about 5 times and the OC revert back when I login to WIndows.

I've just reinstalled Windows and I will use the chipset driver from MSI site and not the one from the AMD site and see if that will change anything.

Any other suggestions?
You are right again, it is something with the RAM:
I think I have figured it out. It occurred when I OC my Ram. When I only OC the CPU and leave all the RAM on Auto the OC of the CPU appears correctly. Only when I OC the RAM this occurred. The Ram I have is Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 3000 (PC4 24000) , even when I input the timings or set it to the Profile of 2800 , it reboots about 5 times and revert not only the CPU but the Ram instead, it goes to 2133, any idea of what this could be and what setting may be causing this?

Thanks.
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: darkhawk on 28-August-17, 01:52:08
Please re-read what I said above. I mean, I can't really make it any clearer. Look at the guide too. You've still got your NB/SoC voltage as Auto, and your DRAM voltage is still the standard 1.35V. NB/SoC could go up to 1.15V safely, maybe 1.2V, while DRAM could go as high as 1.45V safely. Both of those could help increase the stability and fix the issues you're having.
Which, if you had actually read the guide, you'd find that information. Which is the entire point of the guide.
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: mrcmarkch on 28-August-17, 13:16:38
Thanks,

Using this guide I was able to set my OC to 3.9 and ram to 2933.
I stress test and bench mark the settings and temp remained under 68 degrees.
But when I shut down the PC, the pc cycle a couple of times and when I log in, the clock speeds revert back to default via CPU-Z and Ryzen master.
But in the BIOS it shows the OC speed at the top of 3.9 but the ram goes back to 2133. I check the OC settings and the OC voltage,etc is set correctly, but in Windows it shows 3.6 instead of 3.9?
Is there another setting that needs to be set in the BIOS?
I've updated the BIOS to the latest one.

I'm using a MSI gaming plus b350
Ryzen 5 1600x
Try to overclock in bios instead of Ryzen Master. Its is just better in the bios IMO.

Please post your memory brand and spec.

A Cpu nb/soc starting from 1.05v up will really help in stabilizing the memory overclock.

memory timings is a factor too.
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: rgeforce777 on 29-August-17, 06:00:02
Just got to the Ryzen ship recently coming from the legendary i5-2500k gaming horse. The experience of getting things to run properly (and I have built more than 20 computer for fam and friends) took me a grueling 3 days until I finally was able to resolve the random system freezing in windows. I thought it was a Ram issue or CPU issue so I played with all the voltages that I could play with as well as using 1 ram stick instead of 2 on all DIMM slots to no avail. I almost regret upgrading if I wasn't able to resolve the issue which was fixed by a clean install of windows 10 creators update instead of the clean regular windows 10. Weird issue and I even tried downgrading bios 2 times. Anyway here are my results so far.

CPU: Ryzen 5 1600

Mobo: B350 Gaming Plus

RAM: G.SKill Ripjaws V F4-3200C16D-16GVKB (8GBx2)

In summary, My 3 days weekend and holiday I spent almost trying to fix the random freeze issue and just spent 4 hours setting the stable RAM/CPU overclocks above. Honestly almost regret it.. just almost :) My next weekend will be exciting as I try to push the CPU and Ram to the limit. RYZEEEEEEN POOWWAAAHH!!!
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: rgeforce777 on 31-August-17, 01:34:27
...
CPU: Ryzen 5 1600
  • 3.8GHZ (Auto core voltage since older bios prior to AGESA update is bugged and makes multiplier stuck at 15.5 when voltage is manually set)
  • Currently at 1.25V and stable on prime95 and PUBG + Stream. Wow, isn't the voltage at this speed lower than average? :) I'll push it further on the next weekend when I revert back to the latest bios.

Mobo: B350 Gaming Plus
  • One of the best if not the best budget B350 boards out there. Also, blends well with red color scheme :)

RAM: G.SKill Ripjaws V F4-3200C16D-16GVKB (8GBx2)
  • (Non-QVL I just took a gamble and it paid out considering how expensive Flare-X 3200 costs)
  • Won't post on XMP or manual 3200mhz.. Didn't try 1.4+ voltage yet and I don't think I have the balls to do.
  • Currently Running at 2933 stable with 16-18-18-38-63-1T 1.344 voltage
  • Will try some tweaking after reverting to latest bios. I was able to run 3066MHZ when I first installed the sticks up until I thought my ram was causing the windows freeze issue.

In summary, My 3 days weekend and holiday I spent almost trying to fix the random freeze issue and just spent 4 hours setting the stable RAM/CPU overclocks above. Honestly almost regret it.. just almost :) My next weekend will be exciting as I try to push the CPU and Ram to the limit. RYZEEEEEEN POOWWAAAHH!!!
Confirmed 3066 is rock stable under 1.344v on these SK Hynix chips of mine. Will try tighter timings next. On the CPU side it's a bit weird. I tried as much as 1.35v but 3,900mhz or 3,850mhz and my pc would restart under prime 95 after a few moments. Not a heat issue as I was able to use good old H100 instead of stock cooler. Do yuo guys think this is more of the CPU chip limit or the mobo limit?
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: darkhawk on 31-August-17, 03:06:54
Confirmed 3066 is rock stable under 1.344v on these SK Hynix chips of mine. Will try tighter timings next. On the CPU side it's a bit weird. I tried as much as 1.35v but 3,900mhz or 3,850mhz and my pc would restart under prime 95 after a few moments. Not a heat issue as I was able to use good old H100 instead of stock cooler. Do yuo guys think this is more of the CPU chip limit or the mobo limit?

Most likely a combination of CPU and memory overclocking limit.....both play a part in this.
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: rgeforce777 on 01-September-17, 00:32:41
Most likely a combination of CPU and memory overclocking limit.....both play a part in this.
Hmm.. Well I can't complain. 3.8GHZ on 6/12 core/threads is mighty fast already xD Was able to tighten my mem timings to 14-15-15-15-35 so I'm quite happy now :D
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: darkhawk on 01-September-17, 05:22:43
Hmm.. Well I can't complain. 3.8GHZ on 6/12 core/threads is mighty fast already xD Was able to tighten my mem timings to 14-15-15-15-35 so I'm quite happy now :D

Honestly, on good days I might get 4.0 GHz with my 1500X. Most days I sit at stock.
And when I'm doing testing and want it stable, I stick to 3.9 GHz. 

I really don't have problems with it being stock at all either, I generally use my machine for mining anyway.
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: dmn88mia on 01-September-17, 15:02:36
Honestly, on good days I might get 4.0 GHz with my 1500X. Most days I sit at stock.
And when I'm doing testing and want it stable, I stick to 3.9 GHz.

I really don't have problems with it being stock at all either, I generally use my machine for mining anyway.
 
Hey, could you help me? I downloaded latest bios and it won't allow me to overclock, it is disabled. Ihave ryzen 7 1700, b350 tomahawk and a gtx 1080 sc.
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: Nichrome on 01-September-17, 16:53:45
Hey, could you help me? I downloaded latest bios and it won't allow me to overclock, it is disabled. Ihave ryzen 7 1700, b350 tomahawk and a gtx 1080 sc.
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Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: dbennett2010 on 02-September-17, 02:08:12
This is the first computer I have built and the first attempt at Overclocking. I followed your guide and wanted to know if this will be safe voltages and temps for everyday use. After a day and a half of trying to get my ram to run @3200mhz the best I could get stable was 3066mhz in Manual overclock and Cpu @4ghz.

To get stable on Aida64 . CPU Ratio @ 4Ghz with Core Voltage @1.3875V. I did not try to overclock higher due to so much trouble with memory.

Memory would not post @3200mhz up to 1.45v. I settled for Manual overclock of 3066mhz . Dram Voltage 1.39v - NB/SOC @1.1375v . Cldo_Vddp left on Auto because I don't know what that is. Also had to change timing to 18-18-18-38T from timing on ram of 16-18-18-36T to get stable.

These are the settings that would make it through Aida64. I ran 5 times through Cinebench and immediately ran Aida64 for 3 hours. System remained stable throughout. All other settings I tried Aida64 would black screen and mouse and key board go dark. Computer would stay on and I would have to reset holding down the power button. I never used Aida64 before but I assume that means fail? So I settled on the settings I listed above because they ran without issue for over 3 hours on Aida64 two different times. I assume that means the PC is fairly stable

My concern is mainly if the voltages are safe to run as daily setup. I am not experienced with overclocking or computers . The thing that stood out to me was under load the mainboard and Systin temps looked pretty high while everything else seems ok. The case doesn't have greatest airflow by the Vrm.

Case: In Win 301
Board: MSI B350M Mortar
BIOS:  E7A37AMS.160
VGA:  EVGA GTX 1070 FTW2
PSU:  EVGA Supernova 850 G3
CPU:  Ryzen 1600X
MEM: GeIL AMD Edition EVO X 16GB (2 x 8GB) 3200Mhz 16-18-18-36T - 1.35v
HDD/SSD: Samsung Evo 850 250GB, Western Digital Black 1TB Storage drive
COOLER: Corsair H110i V2
Keyboard: Usb Redragon
Mouse: Usb Redragon
OC:  Cpu -4Ghz @1.3875V - Ram 3066Mhz @1.39V -NB @1.1375 Can not get 3200Mhz
OS: Windows 10 64bit Professional
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: Nichrome on 02-September-17, 09:13:56
If temps are below 90C under maximum usage, then it's rather safe. Games won't use 100% of the CPU, so in those, around 60-70C will be expected.
Well, yes, if some program fails to open (causes black screen/BSOD) then OC is unstable.
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: seernod on 04-September-17, 00:02:45
Ok maybe someone knows whats going on. About two weeks ago I decided to oc my Krait x370 mb that's running a Ryzen 1700. All I did was put the multiplyer at 38 so I'm running at 3800mhz with everything else still the same. It runs really good but noticed a couple days ago running cupid that it was only showing 3200mhz so went and cked pc properties and it showed the same. But the weird thing is I went back into bios and it shows 3800 mhz. Any Ideas on whats going on? I am running the lates bios which I think is 7A33V15
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: rgeforce777 on 04-September-17, 05:20:35
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Memory would not post @3200mhz up to 1.45v. I settled for Manual overclock of 3066mhz . Dram Voltage 1.39v - NB/SOC @1.1375v . Cldo_Vddp left on Auto because I don't know what that is. Also had to change timing to 18-18-18-38T from timing on ram of 16-18-18-36T to get stable.
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Nice Rig and clocks you got there :D I think if you set your Ram command rate from 1T to 2T, You can tighten your timings a lot more or even try 3200MHZ which would help Ryzen CPUs push out a frame or 2 :)
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: rgeforce777 on 04-September-17, 05:27:00
Ok maybe someone knows whats going on. About two weeks ago I decided to oc my Krait x370 mb that's running a Ryzen 1700. All I did was put the multiplyer at 38 so I'm running at 3800mhz with everything else still the same. It runs really good but noticed a couple days ago running cupid that it was only showing 3200mhz so went and cked pc properties and it showed the same. But the weird thing is I went back into bios and it shows 3800 mhz. Any Ideas on whats going on? I am running the lates bios which I think is 7A33V15
Any unstable RAM or CPU setting from the bios will set your CPU/RAM to stock settings. Maybe try a little overclock only and see if it applies successfully and boots you through windows with it?
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: seernod on 05-September-17, 03:03:27
It boots just fine I'm saying that CPU-z is saying it is running at 3000mhz while in the bios it says 3800mhz
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: aykutclyn on 07-September-17, 18:25:31
thanks for the guide , helped a lot
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: neonaus on 12-September-17, 09:53:44
I have a MSI Carbon Pro x370 from MSI – there is an issue and when a manual vcore is set for exmaple 1.38v for a 3.9ghz overclock the vcore stays 24/7 @ 1.38v even in idle,load,gaming etc it never drops down to 0.6v, 0.7v in an idle state.

I have tried everything turned on amd cool n quiet, c6 states etc – it just won't work.
Another downside is that there is no voltage offset on this mobo.

Is it safe to run a ryzen 1700 @ 1.38v 24/7 ???

It makes it very hard to OC without P-state and vcore Offset... when will I get these basic features on my X370 carbon pro????? :(
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: darkhawk on 12-September-17, 11:47:37
I have a MSI Carbon Pro x370 from MSI – there is an issue and when a manual vcore is set for exmaple 1.38v for a 3.9ghz overclock the vcore stays 24/7 @ 1.38v even in idle,load,gaming etc it never drops down to 0.6v, 0.7v in an idle state.

I have tried everything turned on amd cool n quiet, c6 states etc – it just won't work.
Another downside is that there is no voltage offset on this mobo.

Is it safe to run a ryzen 1700 @ 1.38v 24/7 ???

It makes it very hard to OC without P-state and vcore Offset... when will I get these basic features on my X370 carbon pro????? :(

This is an overclock guide. If you don't have something specific to the guide, you shouldn't be posting here. 
MSI's Vcore control is a static voltage if you manually set the voltage. There is no adaptive voltage control unless you have it set to AUTO.
All that being said, did you even bother reading the first post before posting? Since some of your questions are answered there.......
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: charles.earl on 13-September-17, 13:51:56
MSI Gaming Pro Carbon. Ryzen 5 1600X. Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR 3200 RAM (Samsung B-Die).
NOTE: Hynix version of same RAM was unstable at this setting. Samsung works perfectly.

Running 100% 24/7 stable at 3.9 GHz on the CPU and using XMP Profile 2 gives 2933 MHz on the RAM.

Only changed 2 things in BIOS. Set CPU to 3900 and set RAM to XMP Profile 2. Everything else on AUTO.

Voltage when idle is 0.70 v. Under load goes up to 1.375 v.

Tried manually setting 1.425 v and going to 4.0 GHz but then it sits at 1.425 all day. Will not down volt like Auto. Damn.

Will stick with 3.9 for now until a BIOS update addresses that. Otherwise happy.

Charles.
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: darkhawk on 13-September-17, 18:06:22
Will stick with 3.9 for now until a BIOS update addresses that. Otherwise happy.
There will most likely not be a BIOS update to address it.
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: rajib4554 on 14-September-17, 05:38:30
Hi,. Recently i have also bought the same motherboard and processor but i dont know why im not able to achive 4ghz overclock on my pc.also i replaced the stock cooler with coolermaster hyper 212x.
Even i have tried 1.45v on cpu core voltage and it is unstable.I also updated my bios to the latest beta bios but no luck. Wright now im running 3.9ghz at 1.375v.

Motherboard. Msi b350 gaming plus.
Processor. Amd ryzen 5 1500x
Ram kingstone hyperx fury ddr4 2133
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: darkhawk on 14-September-17, 11:23:56
Hi,. Recently i have also bought the same motherboard and processor but i dont know why im not able to achive 4ghz overclock on my pc.also i replaced the stock cooler with coolermaster hyper 212x.
Even i have tried 1.45v on cpu core voltage and it is unstable.I also updated my bios to the latest beta bios but no luck. Wright now im running 3.9ghz at 1.375v.

Motherboard. Msi b350 gaming plus.
Processor. Amd ryzen 5 1500x
Ram kingstone hyperx fury ddr4 2133

Not everyone will get 4.0 GHz.....that's generally around the limit of the CPU's. really lucky users might get 4.1 GHz, some might get 4.0 GHz, most get 3.9 GHz.
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: salvant on 23-September-17, 07:02:04
I have tried overclocking my ram and the best I can get is 2666.  The ram isn't listed on the compatibility list and I have confirmed with the store I can return it and exchanged it.  I have Corsair cmk16gx4m2b3200c16.  What is weird is the cmk16gx4m2b3200c16R and cmk16gx4m2b3200c16W are both listed.  Will I have a higher chance of getting better speed if I exchange it for the cmk16gx4m2b3200c16W. 

In regards to OC the CPU my Screen looks a bit different on my MSI B350M Gaming Pro board.  I have CPU Ratio the next line with the frequency is greyed out.  Am? I missing something?
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: salvant on 23-September-17, 21:25:20
An add-on to my above message I wanted to provide a screenshot.

https://1drv.ms/i/s!AtcG2TZ_Kn5yobRpdOtUDRO60o-LOA
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: mmosrc on 28-September-17, 09:21:17
Hello. I just bought an 1300X + a B350 Tomahawk. Seems like there is a "wall" after 3950mhz. I'm perfectly stable until i go over 3950mhz, then, no matter what, Windows won't post, and sometimes also i have to do a Clear_CMOS to revive my PC.

I already tried to put RAM at default speed 2133mhz to be sure, they won't affect the CPU overclock, bu tnothing changed.

I already tried to raise the VSOC to 1.1 and VCPU at 1.45v but nothing changes. There is nothing i can do maybe under some advanced settings or it's just a limit of my CPU ? Thanks.
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: Nichrome on 28-September-17, 09:52:50
That could be a limit of your CPU.
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: mmosrc on 28-September-17, 10:18:09
Ok, thanks, that's what i thought also. Anyway this motherboard it's great, i tried already FOUR AM4 motherboards, and this Tomahawk is the best so far, also the price is great.
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: mmosrc on 28-September-17, 10:47:43
Oh i almost forgot a question. I can't find any offset changing at the Voltages, i can just put fixed voltages, is it normal ' Thanks.
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: darkhawk on 28-September-17, 11:28:05
Oh i almost forgot a question. I can't find any offset changing at the Voltages, i can just put fixed voltages, is it normal ' Thanks.

MSI hasn't implemented any 'offset' or 'adaptive' voltage settings for the AM4 series.

If you want a mode similar to that, your best option is to leave it set to AUTO.
Otherwise, set a static voltage and that's it.
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: mmosrc on 28-September-17, 11:29:13
Good to know, thanks!
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: kaarelvirroja on 03-October-17, 07:58:01
Did MSI change something with latest BIOS updates?
Default MB boost gives only 3.6 Ghz but previously it was 3.8.
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: gu.munoz on 13-October-17, 02:35:29
Hey Guys,

I think my CPU is a very bad overclocker, I set the CPU voltage as 1.38v as in this post and I try the multipler 38 - to of course get 3800 mhz - when I hit F10 and save - I get a instant lock up and the system does not boot up - so I have to clear the CMOS - anyone got a similar case? my CPU in general runs around 3.6-3.7 and XFR at 3.9 sometimes, In other thread a saw a guy with the same mobo facing the same problem - whenever he set the multipler to anything else than auto - he has the same behavior

Regards,
Gustavo Muñoz
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: gu.munoz on 16-October-17, 18:18:22
Hello Guys,

Note sure how to edit my last message - I could get it stable the 1500X@3.9 vCore: 1.3875v and RAM @2933 (v1.36) @16-18-18-18 - it not stable @ 3200 and 3.9 so it leads to the black screen after saving in BIOS :)
 - the best CINEBENCH score was 839 - with default (3.5 and 3200) it was 739 - so I prefer this configuration than stock.

Regards,
Gustavo Muñoz
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: haunter528 on 09-November-17, 22:25:29
It's my first time OC any PC. I have the x370 Gaming Pro Carbon and a Ryzen 1800x. I have try using Command Center from MSI and a little after I applied the changes to reach 4.0 GHz the screen goes black, mouse and keyboard stop responding and I have to hit the power button and turn on again, when I get back to windows I am back at 3.6 Ghz. Also I have try the application from AMD. I have up on both applications and try the BIOS option, I set the speed to 3.8Ghz and volt to 1.3 or 1.4 and reboot and nothing, I am not able to get into the BIOS, I see the LED from the motherboard but nothing. I have to remove the power cable and BIOS battery to start the PC again, I have try speeds of 3.8 and 4.0 with voltage of 1.3 and 1.4. Any help or recommendations would be highly appreciated.
Drivers are up to date. Any additional information that you need to know, ask me.

Thanks!
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: darkhawk on 09-November-17, 23:57:49
It's my first time OC any PC. I have the x370 Gaming Pro Carbon and a Ryzen 1800x. I have try using Command Center from MSI and a little after I applied the changes to reach 4.0 GHz the screen goes black, mouse and keyboard stop responding and I have to hit the power button and turn on again, when I get back to windows I am back at 3.6 Ghz. Also I have try the application from AMD. I have up on both applications and try the BIOS option, I set the speed to 3.8Ghz and volt to 1.3 or 1.4 and reboot and nothing, I am not able to get into the BIOS, I see the LED from the motherboard but nothing. I have to remove the power cable and BIOS battery to start the PC again, I have try speeds of 3.8 and 4.0 with voltage of 1.3 and 1.4. Any help or recommendations would be highly appreciated.
Drivers are up to date. Any additional information that you need to know, ask me.

Thanks!

Not every CPU is going to do great overclocking. Some do well, some don't. You might have gotten a CPU that can't overclock well.
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: cadientebenson on 10-November-17, 03:07:09
Thank you for this detailed OC guide.. Ill overclock my R5 1600 as soon as i get my liquid cooling. This may be stupid question but just wanna ask if the CPU will run at the max speed all the time when you OC it? Kinda worried about power consumption if it does. or is there a setting that can make it run at lower clocks when not using it and it will just boost to max OC speed when needed?
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: nesty1990 on 10-November-17, 18:48:49
Thank you for this detailed OC guide.. Ill overclock my R5 1600 as soon as i get my liquid cooling. This may be stupid question but just wanna ask if the CPU will run at the max speed all the time when you OC it? Kinda worried about power consumption if it does. or is there a setting that can make it run at lower clocks when not using it and it will just boost to max OC speed when needed?

it is CnQ (Cool´n´Quiet) ... but here is the catch, since MSI motherboards do not have offset/adaptive mode, CnQ will be disabled if you change your vCore to any other value than auto...
On the other hand, core C6 state will still be enabled so idle power consumption wont be much higher, it is only 3-6W more than default settings on my system...

i personally OC´ed memory through the bios and CPU through the Ryzen Master to keep CnQ running to avoid temp spikes (and fan rpm spikes) with help of windows power plans and little utility called Full Throttle Override....
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: cadientebenson on 11-November-17, 03:17:17
it is CnQ (Cool´n´Quiet) ... but here is the catch, since MSI motherboards do not have offset/adaptive mode, CnQ will be disabled if you change your vCore to any other value than auto...
On the other hand, core C6 state will still be enabled so idle power consumption wont be much higher, it is only 3-6W more than default settings on my system...

i personally OC´ed memory through the bios and CPU through the Ryzen Master to keep CnQ running to avoid temp spikes (and fan rpm spikes) with help of windows power plans and little utility called Full Throttle Override....


I was browsing on tomshardware and i read that you can just re enable the cool n quiet when your OC is stable? Is this really okay?
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: crazyclicker on 12-November-17, 10:41:03
Guys, can you please help me with keeping fans on a normal rate after I've set ram to XMP2 profile with 3000mhz frequency on B350 carbon.

As it mentioned in try it! section mb increases fan speed after 2750mhz, but in my case it's really not necessary as CPU temp dont get higher that 33C. And fans get reeeeealy loud.
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: darkhawk on 12-November-17, 20:08:46
Guys, can you please help me with keeping fans on a normal rate after I've set ram to XMP2 profile with 3000mhz frequency on B350 carbon.

As it mentioned in try it! section mb increases fan speed after 2750mhz, but in my case it's really not necessary as CPU temp dont get higher that 33C. And fans get reeeeealy loud.

Setup your XMP2 settings. Save. Reboot. Go back into the BIOS, then change the fan settings, save, reboot and that should fix it.

If you follow that procedure the fan settings should stay properly.
Title: Re: AMD AM4 Ryzen Overclocking Guide (X370 and B350)
Post by: crazyclicker on 12-November-17, 20:48:22
Setup your XMP2 settings. Save. Reboot. Go back into the BIOS, then change the fan settings, save, reboot and that should fix it.

If you follow that procedure the fan settings should stay properly.

Thanks! It did the trick, but settings being auto changed each time I visit OC tab, so I guess fan settings should be the last to configure.

Also a question about memory: XMP2 profile states 3000mhz with 15 CAS but in fact sets 2933 and 16. Should I stay on profile and alter voltages or should I manually set frequency and latency? 
Btw it's only me who dont have 3000mhz option in manual setup but only 3066? =)