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Title: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: cybrnook on 09-September-18, 16:47:30
Hello,

I have completed a new build based on the 2950X and MSI MEG Creation board (Beautiful board btw). System Specs are as follows:

MSI Meg Creation X399
Threadripper 2950X
G.Skill TridentZ 4 x 8 GB DDR4 3200 CL4 (Kit variety that is certified for AMD)
EVGA 1080 Ti

I am on the latest release BIOS 7B92v11 and there are a few issues I am seeing out of the gate.
- Wake from sleep results in E1 code and never wakes.
- Any modification to BIOS results in the BIOS wanting to disable Smart Fan control. This is problematic as I am setting a custom fan curve for my system fans as well as my PWM pump. So on every edit/save, I need to go an reenable smart fan to get the curve again.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: Svet on 10-September-18, 04:38:16
have you tried to >>Clear CMOS Guide<< (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=31222.msg178956#msg178956) and retest?

P.S:
If problem persist, here is .124 BIOS if you want to try:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/qeixg65eath6yq2/E7B92AMS.124.rar/file
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: cybrnook on 10-September-18, 16:05:44
Thank you Svet! Yes, prior to opening this thread I tried to clear CMOS ( a few times), as well as dropping back to the original .10 BIOS (followed by a clear CMOS), with same results.

I will test the 124 BIOS later this evening once I am home, and will keep my fingers crossed. I will also update here to let you know my findings.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: jhchris2 on 10-September-18, 20:40:38
vybrmook, sounds like the fan issues are UEFI related, but the wake issue may well be a driver issue.  Please make sure you get the chip set driver from AMD Driver site (https://www.amd.com/en/support).  In fact, I recommend you get all drivers from the manufacturers not MSI unless they specify you must.  BTW I do no work for MSI but think Svet does.  I do not currently have an MSI MB but am here to learn.  After you install the latest AMD chip set drivers, please check your power plan and make sure it is set to Ryzen Balanced.  I have an X339 MB with a 1950X and just solved a wake problem by installing the latest AMD chip set driver.  Please let us hear what you learn.  Good luck and enjoy, John.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: cybrnook on 10-September-18, 21:27:05
Good thought! Too bad I had the same already :-) all my main drivers (chipset, lan, wifi, bluetooth) are all directly from the vendor. We are on the same page there.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: jhchris2 on 10-September-18, 21:42:00
Thanks, vybrmook.  Are you using the Ryzen Balanced power plan?  Enjoy, John.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: cybrnook on 11-September-18, 03:07:56
Updated and still noticing the same issues that even the smallest changes in UEFI are triggering the fan to switch from smart to disabled.

- Go into UEFI
- Go to Hardware Monitor Section
- Enable Smart fan for some devices (CPU, SYS, and PUMP)
- Set curves and save (F10)

Reboot

- Go into UEFI
- Go to Hardware Monitor Section
- Notice all devices are not set to NOT have smart enabled.

(https://img.techpowerup.org/180911/img-20180910-211929.jpg)
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: john.k.torset on 11-September-18, 03:42:04
I have same problem with the fan setting as OP. Bios 1.24 did not solve the issue.
Waiting on MSI to solve the fan issue. Strangely enough I had a similar fan problem with my Asus Prime bord for my 1950X.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: cybrnook on 11-September-18, 16:55:15
I have a support ticket opened with MSI as well. But so far the only advice given there was:

"Enable Smart fan for some devices (CPU, SYS, and PUMP) - do not Set curves and save (F10) and then save and exit"

To which I responded:

Enabling Smart IS enabling the ability to use a PWM curve. Enabling Smart but not using the curve defeats the point? When this happens, CPU and PUMP are the two that default to being smart disabled. SYS fan stays with smart enabled.

Haven't heard anything else back yet.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: lowdog on 12-September-18, 03:30:09
Yes there is a PROBLEM with the official bios v11, actually there are a few problems and failure to wake from sleep is one of them, only fix is a new bios. I brought this issue to MSI 
's attention weeks ago and they sent me a beta bios 123 that fixed the issue. An amended official bios will be released soon hopefully but I don't know when unfortunately.

I would contact NSI Tech and explain the sleep issue your having and ask for the latest beta bios.....IT IS WAY BETTER than all the other bios for this board to date. Good Luck!
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: lowdog on 12-September-18, 03:44:08
@Svet

Didn't see that you had linked to 124 bios....you are a legend!!! lol

Great to see that you have given MEG users the opportunity to use the latest beta bios from MSI, good stuff! :biggthumbsup:

@cybrnook

Didn't the124 bios fix your wake from sleep issues, the system should be able to wake from sleep fine with that bios. Did you try that yet????
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: cybrnook on 13-September-18, 02:19:31
Unfortunately both issues still exist. Smart fan in BIOS keeps resetting back to non-smart just by going into BIOS and then monitoring section, and PC still does not wake from sleep, E1 code.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: jhchris2 on 13-September-18, 03:01:13
cybrnook, is the E1 code a Dr.Debug code?  That is a"S3 Resume Progress Codes" and it means" 0xE1 S3 Boot Script execution".   I have had lots of Sleep and Wake problems but never one with a code like this.  I do not think you every said what Power Plan you were using.  This may be old ground, but please make sure you have the latest Chip Set drivers DLed from AMD and are running the Ryzen Balanced plan.  Have you altered the power plan at all?  Enjoy, John.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: Svet on 13-September-18, 13:14:31
try this new bios .125 for S3 issue
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1W0KgwzjbVOLYga9RD-tZQ213xLvRNGkQ/view?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1W0KgwzjbVOLYga9RD-tZQ213xLvRNGkQ/view?usp=sharing)

For fan speed, when game boost is enabled or overclock memory above 2900Mhz, 
BIOS will automatically change CPU/PUMP fan to non-smart fan mode.
If you want to use smart fan mode while overclocking,
then please change OC settings in BIOS, change fan mode in BIOS, save and exit and do not go back to BIOS.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: cybrnook on 13-September-18, 15:09:29
@jhchris2, yes latest vendor drivers. We already talked about that in post #4 :-) and yes AMD power plan (default)


@Svet, thank you very much, I will test the wake from sleep this evening when I get home and will report back promptly.

For the smart fan curves (giving you a custom fan curve defined by user), wouldn't this be counter intuitive for someone who wants to overclock? If I am going to the extent to OC, the same user likely wants to manually control their fan and pump speeds as well. I would think that the monitoring section should respect the users wishes instead of defaulting to the standard setting by even just going back into the BIOS and looking at the monitor settings. That to me does not seem like something by design.

"do not go back to BIOS" Half the fun is going into the BIOS and playing around, especially on a board that is made for overclocking :-) This adds a silly, unnecessary and redundant step each time I want to adjust my boot order for example, or maybe I want to adjust PBO levels.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: bubliy.photographer on 13-September-18, 18:33:58
Hey.
I can not show people a normal overview of this board, every reboot requires setting up all the fans again. That's horrible.
The second problem is the total memory instability over 3266 MHz. After the M7, which worked stably with the 3733CL14 it's a shock. I spent 3 days to make the system stable and I did not succeed
+ why did you hide PBS/CBS menu????

p.s. I'm a developer of Ryzen DRAM Calculator
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: lowdog on 13-September-18, 23:01:08
@cybernook

One thing I can't understand is if someone is water cooling as I do why on earth would you want to let the bios control your pumps speed, this is ridiculous and only leads to problems as is often the case when the bios fails and decides to turn off the pump. Yes this is a common problem!.

Water cooling pump is best left connected to PSU at a set speed simple as that.

Also @ Svet - thanks for the new 125 bios :biggthumbsup:
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: cybrnook on 14-September-18, 02:02:30
It's a big world out there lowdog, and the market offers many different options. My personal pump is PWM controlled (DDC 3 2), so it's a critical "selling point" for me that my motherboard has a PWM pump header. Keep in mind this also affects the PWM fan headers not just the pump (which most AIO's use as well). I am not excited at the thought of either running my pump and fans at %100 or having to install an additional fan controller when my $500 motherboard is built to do this already. Which you have to admit a board of this caliber that cannot remember your PWM settings is just silly. The market has spoken since Gigabyte, MSI, Asus etc.... all offer this these days, but your opinion is noted.


@Svet, I can confirm that my PC is waking from sleep now, so great job to you and the BIOS team. Just need to make sure personalized monitoring settings remain persistent now and I will be out of negatives.

I will test for the next day or two to make sure the PC continues to wake from sleep as expected, and report back.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: jhchris2 on 14-September-18, 17:25:01
Great, cybrnook!  Thanks for posting really good news.  I apologize for my redundant posts.  Enjoy, John.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: cybrnook on 14-September-18, 20:34:38
Great, cybrnook!  Thanks for posting really good news.  I apologize for my redundant posts.  Enjoy, John.
Absolutely!
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: cybrnook on 15-September-18, 15:52:20
@Svet

Can you answer why the decision was made to put this in place:

For fan speed, when game boost is enabled or overclock memory above 2900Mhz, BIOS will automatically change CPU/PUMP fan to non-smart fan mode. If you want to use smart fan mode while overclocking, then please change OC settings in BIOS, change fan mode in BIOS, save and exit and do not go back to BIOS. 

And why Memory at 2900? This is an odd number, cutoff should be 2933. There are no memory kits that comes with profile of 2900.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: eleventy on 15-September-18, 17:33:55
So that explains why my CPU fan keeps resetting to non-smart mode.

It might have been a design decision, but IMO it was an incorrect one.  A better idea would be to show a warning message.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: kataphract on 17-September-18, 03:45:28
Hi there,

just finished a build of my MSI MEG x399 + 2990WX with massive water loop capable of 1400W heat dissipation. Needless to say, I need extremely little in way of fan speed.
So I was quite suprised how many hours of thinking I am going crazy or the bios is playing games with me I find all the threads about this "feature" making overclocked memory (2933 in my case) reset Smart Fan Speed control.

I believe this is extremely strange decision...both because this is professional and high-end board, so every user will know how to set it to its best settings. Right now simply booting in bios completely overrides my own settings by turning Fan control off and putting some arbitrary behavior (quite often...jet engine of full RPM on fans).

Trying to desperately turn it all on (overclocked memory, overclocked cpu, smart fan control + custom curves) it will frequently boot into "06" Q-Code requiring restart....which as you guessed :- ) turns the fan control back off (sometimes even the PWM)

Right now I got it stable running with fan control...except I can't boot into uefi without resetting it. So my 580 Euro board on 5k euro workstation is "set it and don't touch" :- ). This is not what I expected...

I've sent support ticket for this, but wanted to bump this thread so it gets more recognition. I consider this to be very serious issue.

Best regards,
Juraj
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: cybrnook on 17-September-18, 15:06:33
I believe this is extremely strange decision...both because this is professional and high-end board, so every user will know how to set it to its best settings. Right now simply booting in bios completely overrides my own settings by turning Fan control off and putting some arbitrary behavior (quite often...jet engine of full RPM on fans).

I've sent support ticket for this, but wanted to bump this thread so it gets more recognition. I consider this to be very serious issue.
Agreed %100

I also have a support ticket which I am asking the same questions. My last response was on Saturday, so hope to hear back this week.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: kataphract on 17-September-18, 20:30:07
Well, received the same answer. Basically they try to "save the user from themselves". Will ask again at least for reconsidering this behavior with additional option to turn it off. I mean...it's called "Expert" mode in UEFI for a reason.

Official reply: "

For fan speed, there are two options in BIOS that will change your CPU/PUMP fan speed to non-smart mode. 1. GameBoost 2. When memory frequency is over 2900MHz The reason of that is we want to keep CPU temperature low while overclocking, otherwise the system would become unstable. If user wants to set custom fan curve while overclocking, please adjust the fan curve in BIOS, save & exit and do not go back to BIOS. Boot straight to OS so BIOS will not check GameBoost or memory frequency to force CPU/PUMP fan back to non-smart fan mode.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: cybrnook on 17-September-18, 20:42:53
It's so silly...... and I am quite disappointed in this, like you. Plus, why 2900? Why not at least 2933 which is a realistic memory profile. 2900 cutoff realistically means 2666 if we stick to memory profiles vs manual overclocks.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: cybrnook on 20-September-18, 16:17:48
Just want to add, wake from sleep is fixed on 125.

Still have a ticket open, waiting to hear on a fix for the smart fan issues. Info was forwarded to BIOS team.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: kataphract on 22-September-18, 19:31:23
Anyone has trouble with booting to "0b" (I presume it's 0B as there is no 06 Q-code). It's "Cache initiatialization".

Happens on random, but only turning on/off power (at wall not through restart) will fix it. Once in Windows it's stable under any load, no crashes anything. But if I restart PC, it will occasionally do this.

Funny thing is, only restart triggers this, shut down and start not.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: jhchris2 on 22-September-18, 20:37:39
The American Megatrends document here (https://ami.com/ami_downloads/Aptio_V_Status_Codes.pdf) shows definitions for both 06 and 0D:
0x06 Microcode loading
0x0D Reserved for future AMI SEC error codes
Enjoy, John.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: kataphract on 23-September-18, 01:15:40
Would be nice if the next public bios was here rather sooner than late. ETA would be welcome too..
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: kataphract on 23-September-18, 11:48:05
OK, so the 06 microcode booting issue seems to be connected with the  KB4100347 patch. Having it installed it capped my turbos severely on default from 4.0 to 3.4Ghz for single core !
That is Cinebench R15 170 to 144 score. Brutal.

Uninstalling doesn't help. Will try to get rid of trustedisntaller so I can try replacing the mcupdate dlls. Edit: Nope, doesn't work.

Anyway, I absolutely hate this board. I am building PCs for past 10 years, workstations, server class,etc.. never had this sort of issues yet. 60perc. of time it boots into 06 Q-Code. I have no idea what it has issue with. 
I think it's time to return this board, last UEFI update was 6 weeks ago, how is this support for new product ?
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: cybrnook on 23-September-18, 15:08:46
Haven't seen that issue. Looking at the KB, it seems more the microcode adding additional updates for Intel Broadwell and Skylake series chips, so you would think you should be unaffected being on an AMD platform.

One thing that is recommended that may help you, is to make sure you disable fast start (as seemingly recommended by AMD in their Master software):

https://download.amd.com/documents/AMD-Ryzen-Processor-and-AMD-Ryzen-Master-Overclocking-Users-Guide.pdf

"Note that Windows® 10 must be configured in the Power Options to disable fast startup when the chassis power button is pressed to turn the system on. Make sure the box is unchecked for “Turn on fast startup”"
 
You are using the v125 UEFI linked in this thread, which has some wake from sleep work done? Or still using the public release?
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: kataphract on 23-September-18, 17:31:14
Hi Cybrnook,

thank you much for your quick answers ! I am glad to chat at least with someone about this. Super niche product, almost to talk about it anywhere to get help.

I am also confused about the patch since it shouldn't affect AMD (and only install itself into windows in case CPU is switched in future), but it obviously did cut the overclocks for whatever strange reasons.
I can't get it back.

Will check the start-up but I don't think I have it on unless it was on by default. EDIT: Strangely, it was on. Turned it off, let's see.

I am still on public uefi, sent ticket today to see if I could get info about beta bios or ETA for release.

EDIT1: Installing the beta bios (1.25) fixed the turbos. Single-core goes again to 4.0+ at default. Let's see if the 06 and CE (or EC, forgot) cold boot fail start is fixed.
EDIT2: Well...so far so good ! 5 restarts and cold boot starts and no issues. I am little bit afraid to go to bios now as I fear setting smart fan for pump (by default it kicks again to 5000 rpms...thanks MSI) will start boot issues again.
EDIT3: So far more than 10+ restarts and boot ups, no issues. Set smart fan at least for pump... no issues. Loaded XMP profile for rams OC, no issues. Would love to set PBO to 550W...but I am afraid after the previous issues. I will wait for at least few rounds of bios updates.

Even this beta should be immediately published. The board is total mess out of the box without it.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: cybrnook on 23-September-18, 22:21:43
Glad to hear it buddy, and yes I agree as well there is a much needed BIOS update to the public. Just need to get the damned fans fixed and then I'm a happy camper. Boards been pretty good otherwise.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: bogdi1988 on 26-September-18, 10:05:20
@Svet, tried this 125 bios and got a BIOS loop. Runs through a couple codes and then it shuts down PSU and restarts. Tried Flash BIOS to same version and clearing CMOS and same error. Had to downgrade to 124 via Flash BIOS and that one posts OK.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: cybrnook on 27-September-18, 02:15:33
What CPU and what memory configuration? I'm sure you cleared cmos before throwing in the towel?
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: cybrnook on 27-September-18, 04:06:08
Sorry, I see you mentioned clearing cmos.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: bogdi1988 on 27-September-18, 08:00:12
2990WX Memory: 2x kits of CMW32GX4M4C3600C18
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: bogdi1988 on 27-September-18, 12:16:57
Dropped memory from 8 dimms to 4 dimms and it posted with v125. So it doesn't seem to like 8 sticks of RAM
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: cybrnook on 27-September-18, 16:02:27
Good to hear sir. I personally am running 4 x at 3200, so I did not hit this scenario. Since it's not posting for you, then you don't have an issue where you're setting XMP/AMP profiles first or something, and then it's not starting, right?

I don't see that memory on the QVL btw. Did you check that before buying?
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: jhchris2 on 27-September-18, 16:30:37
When using 2x4 sticks of memory, each memory bus has two sticks connected and thus two loads.  This doubles the rank of the setup and slows the bus.  This would at least require some tuning and may including a reduction in speed.  Enjoy, John.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: bogdi1988 on 27-September-18, 17:27:39
I did not, but it has been working without a hitch with BIOS 1.1, 1.22 in both 8x and 4x configuration. Of course, when 8x, only at 3000MHz
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: cybrnook on 27-September-18, 21:13:00
Perhaps AGESA was updated in 125.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: bogdi1988 on 03-October-18, 09:04:56
Highly doubt. 1.25 is just really buggy. 1.22 is still the most stable for me.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: cybrnook on 03-October-18, 19:50:40
Outside of my gripe with the blanket call for CPU and PUMP to shoot up when actually "using" the board, I don't really have any complaints on 125.

Did you run into anything new while on 125?
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: blub on 04-October-18, 17:36:40
Hi

Long time reader, no poster yet.

The 125 BIOS works. Standby S5 still isn't really working for me as Windows boots from hibernation/fallback mode.

The main issue I have is the fan control:
If I set fan curves for 5 or more fans I WANT THE FAN CURVES TO STAY ACTIVE.
Sorry for the caps lock. But really, anybody who goes through the trouble to set so many fan curves wants them to be working and not re-enable them after every reboot.
A warning pop up or a limit setting the fans too 100% at CPU temp 80 or 85 is fine - but disabling the smart fan after a reboot is a major pain!

It would be nice to save and load a fan profile under Windows via the Command-Center - I am not talking about fan curves for CPU and system separately the way it seems to be working now.
I am talking about a GUI option where I can enter a fan curve name like "silent 1" and then I save and reload the current fan curves for all fans in my system - just like the way Asus AISuite works

just my 2c
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: bogdi1988 on 04-October-18, 22:37:27
Outside of my gripe with the blanket call for CPU and PUMP to shoot up when actually "using" the board, I don't really have any complaints on 125.

Did you run into anything new while on 125?

Nope. Nothing new.

For me, 1.25 is horrible with RAM.
I am also chasing some issues with RAID but that appears to be an AMD driver issue.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: cybrnook on 05-October-18, 05:26:21
@svet had a failed wake from sleep today. Updated to 1809 last night, then slept. Today, woke up, it attempted to wake, then rebooted. All without waking the screen up.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: cybrnook on 06-October-18, 15:59:16
@Svet same issue again today, wake from sleep is not working again under windows 1809. System attempts to wake up, hangs, and then reboots.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: john.k.torset on 08-October-18, 09:15:27
What is the latest beta bios and change log? I am still waiting for an upgrade that will make my ram fully stable @ 3200 MT/s. I am currently running my ram @ 3000 MT/s CL14.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: cybrnook on 08-October-18, 15:41:38
As far as publicly released beta bios's go, I believe the linked 125 in this thread is the latest.

No official changelog outside of this release hopefully addressing wake from sleep issues. I will say though that my 4 x 8 GB 3200 has been running fine with my 2950x. However wake from sleep issue is back with Windows 1809.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: bogdi1988 on 08-October-18, 18:23:13
As far as publicly released beta bios's go, I believe the linked 125 in this thread is the latest.

No official changelog outside of this release hopefully addressing wake from sleep issues. I will say though that my 4 x 8 GB 3200 has been running fine with my 2950x. However wake from sleep issue is back with Windows 1809.
I asked svet last Friday if there were newer beta bios files available and he mentioned that 1.25 is the latest he sees. There were some changes related to how memory is handled in 1.25 vs 1.24 as with the latest I can't post with all my memory (8x8GB). I noticed also that in 1.24 there physical location of RAIDXpert is slightly lower in the list than it is in all other bios builds. Also since 1.20 precision boost overdrive setting is present in the settings as it seems to have been missing prior (in 1.1). Those are some of the changes that I have seen as I tested each version.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: darkneck on 13-October-18, 13:24:46
With 1.25 bios system is pretty stable and starts fine, but it goes to the loop  reboot if i put all 8 memory slot, with 7 just fine.
p.s. sry for my bad english
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: bogdi1988 on 14-October-18, 00:25:57
With 1.25 bios system is pretty stable and starts fine, but it goes to the loop  reboot if i put all 8 memory slot, with 7 just fine.
p.s. sry for my bad english
Same here :)
Anything prior to 125 I can do 8 sticks no issues.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: optical10 on 14-October-18, 16:08:04
Guys I need a favour I'm coming from a gigabyte extreme with 2950x but I'm having issues with all my high end USB connected devices like a motion simulator racing chair and fanatec wheels etc (15 usb dev'S) bandwidth so if somebody could kindly use USB Device Tree Viewer 3.2.2 (http://hthttps//www.majorgeeks.com/mg/getmirror/usb_device_tree_viewer,1.htmlp://) Utility and take a snipping tool image as I need to see how the USB host controllers add up on this board before I move to it please?
With the gigabyte even the addon pci-e usb 2.0 & 3.0 cards get overload by any usb inserted perif's, could this be a AMD chipset usb issue as I've not got an Intel board available at the moment to test the cards in?
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: cybrnook on 22-October-18, 00:28:45
Guys I need a favour I'm coming from a gigabyte extreme with 2950x but I'm having issues with all my high end USB connected devices like a motion simulator racing chair and fanatec wheels etc (15 usb dev'S) bandwidth so if somebody could kindly use USB Device Tree Viewer 3.2.2 (http://hthttps//www.majorgeeks.com/mg/getmirror/usb_device_tree_viewer,1.htmlp://) Utility and take a snipping tool image as I need to see how the USB host controllers add up on this board before I move to it please?
With the gigabyte even the addon pci-e usb 2.0 & 3.0 cards get overload by any usb inserted perif's, could this be a AMD chipset usb issue as I've not got an Intel board available at the moment to test the cards in?
Hope this helps buddy:

(https://img.techpowerup.org/181021/devicetree.png)
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: bogdi1988 on 22-October-18, 09:32:07
Guys I need a favour I'm coming from a gigabyte extreme with 2950x but I'm having issues with all my high end USB connected devices like a motion simulator racing chair and fanatec wheels etc (15 usb dev'S) bandwidth so if somebody could kindly use USB Device Tree Viewer 3.2.2 (http://hthttps//www.majorgeeks.com/mg/getmirror/usb_device_tree_viewer,1.htmlp://) Utility and take a snipping tool image as I need to see how the USB host controllers add up on this board before I move to it please?
With the gigabyte even the addon pci-e usb 2.0 & 3.0 cards get overload by any usb inserted perif's, could this be a AMD chipset usb issue as I've not got an Intel board available at the moment to test the cards in?
Here you go as well:
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: optical10 on 22-October-18, 11:08:52
Thank, thats just what i need. Whats the nvidia host controller usb card make & model please?
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: optical10 on 22-October-18, 11:10:41
Thanks
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: bogdi1988 on 22-October-18, 23:43:40
FYI, new beta BIOS... 1.27. Improves memory compatibility.
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=310330.0
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: cybrnook on 23-October-18, 04:03:43
2080ti , has a USB type C port.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: optical10 on 23-October-18, 15:47:41
Just like to ask a few questions before I purchased this, #1 can you confirm that this board has no issues with Intel teaming on the NICs? #2 what is the situation with boot times on the later stable 1.25 or 1.27 latest BIOS? #3 anybody in the UK bought from newegg UK with shipping coming from the USA and they're only been a 15 day returns replacement policy?
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: bogdi1988 on 23-October-18, 20:40:52
Just like to ask a few questions before I purchased this, #1 can you confirm that this board has no issues with Intel teaming on the NICs? #2 what is the situation with boot times on the later stable 1.25 or 1.27 latest BIOS? #3 anybody in the UK bought from newegg UK with shipping coming from the USA and they're only been a 15 day returns replacement policy?
I haven't checked teaming but 1.27 is a whole lot more stable than 1.25. Looks like it has a newer Agesa.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: cybrnook on 24-October-18, 15:30:56
Just like to ask a few questions before I purchased this, #1 can you confirm that this board has no issues with Intel teaming on the NICs? #2 what is the situation with boot times on the later stable 1.25 or 1.27 latest BIOS? #3 anybody in the UK bought from newegg UK with shipping coming from the USA and they're only been a 15 day returns replacement policy?
Not sure, you might have better luck starting your own thread to ask the more general questions. Something like a "Before I buy" type thread. I don't use teaming and the boot times have been, what I would call, fine for me on either bios with 4 x 8 GB and a 2950x.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: optical10 on 24-October-18, 20:59:26
I haven't checked teaming but 1.27 is a whole lot more stable than 1.25. Looks like it has a newer Agesa

Thankz
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: optical10 on 24-October-18, 21:01:18
Not sure, you might have better luck starting your own thread to ask the more general questions. Something like a "Before I buy" type thread. I don't use teaming and the boot times have been, what I would call, fine for me on either bios with 4 x 8 GB and a 2950x.

point taken & thankz
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: cybrnook on 26-October-18, 14:38:06
It appears the Smart Fan Curve lock has been removed in the 127 BIOS. Thank you VERY MUCH!
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: anders.aasgaard on 29-October-18, 20:42:57
Ryzer Master stopped launching with 127 and latest Ryzen Master version. Anyone else experienced that?

Getting this: "Ryzen Master Driver not installed properly"

EDIT: My bad. Worked when installed as admin.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: cybrnook on 31-October-18, 01:03:13
@Svet

I am still having wake from sleep issues. Ever since windows 1809, even with BIOS 127 wake from sleep gets stuck in code A5.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: jhchris2 on 31-October-18, 01:23:08
cybrnook, I am surprised you are still running 1809.  MS has not re-released it yet.  You need to be careful how to interpret A5.  The code A5 shows up randomly after boot and means nothing as well as I can understand.  MS is maintaining 1803 at this time.  Enjoy, John.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: cybrnook on 31-October-18, 03:23:42
I know buddy :-) my pc was updated when M$ first released it through windows update. Regardless if they pulled it, it's still already out in the wild for myself and many users around the world, can't put that cat back in the bag. I was not affected by the one drive deleted files issue, and M$ has since patched that individually already anyways. So yes, I am on 1809, and am not too excited to have to format and install 1803 only to have to update again to 1809 when M$ releases, which should be soon. October is almost over for them to roll out the October update :-)
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: jhchris2 on 31-October-18, 15:18:40
cybrnook, I have pulled 1809.  At the time I was having major problems installing (turned out ANY) W10 on my two (RAID0 and RAID10) RAID configuration (Would NOT reboot from HDD or SSD or RAID).  I was finally (three days) able to install from a USB stick.  From your respect I would wonder if Support was inclined to work on an 1809 problem with MS in the ditch.  Just checked Media Creation Tool and it is still dispensing 1803.  I have an open Support Request on dual RAIDs.  Enjoy, John.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: jhchris2 on 02-November-18, 22:27:52
cybrnook, AMD has release RAID drivers DriverVer=09/21/2018,9.2.0.00087.  I still have testing to do but so far they have corrected Restart, Sleep and Wake.  Be sure you install it on all RAIDs you may have.  I ended up with it installed on about half my SSDs and it was a little sweaty for a while.  Please let me know it they help.  Enjoy, John.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: bogdi1988 on 03-November-18, 12:42:07
cybrnook, AMD has release RAID drivers DriverVer=09/21/2018,9.2.0.00087.  I still have testing to do but so far they have corrected Restart, Sleep and Wake.  Be sure you install it on all RAIDs you may have.  I ended up with it installed on about half my SSDs and it was a little sweaty for a while.  Please let me know it they help.  Enjoy, John.
It looks like some of the driver is also baked in the BIOS itself as well. When you go to the RAIDXpert menu you can see that in there. I am waiting for MSI to release a new BIOS with the updated driver.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: jhchris2 on 03-November-18, 17:01:28
bogdi1988, in general drivers do not come in UEFI releases.  There is a new RAIDXpert2 (w10) released with AMD RAIDXpert2 Driver Version: 9.2.0-00087.  It can be DLed with the latest chip set drivers.  I suggest you update the chip set and you should get what you need.  All is going well here.  Enjoy, John.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: bogdi1988 on 03-November-18, 20:54:26
bogdi1988, in general drivers do not come in UEFI releases.  There is a new RAIDXpert2 (w10) released with AMD RAIDXpert2 Driver Version: 9.2.0-00087.  It can be DLed with the latest chip set drivers.  I suggest you update the chip set and you should get what you need.  All is going well here.  Enjoy, John.
Take a look in your BIOS and you'll see a reference to the version of the RAIDXpert firmware and that is the older build.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: jhchris2 on 03-November-18, 22:55:25
Thanks, bogdi1988.  I see that but do not know what it means.  I have been running the new RAID drivers for a couple of days and all is good.  I am also running Beta UEFI E7B92AMS.127.  I have never heard of a requirement that a new UEFI is required to run a new  RAID Driver.  Enjoy, John.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: cybrnook on 04-November-18, 02:31:26
Absolutely BIOS/UEFI contains drivers. For example, here is the driver in the latest 129 BIOS:

(https://img.techpowerup.org/181104/bios.png)
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: jhchris2 on 04-November-18, 17:01:01
OK, absolutely the UEFI must contain drivers.  I know that and do not think I said they didn't, certainly did not mean to say that.   I have never seen a case where a user had to correlate updating the driver in the UEFI with the one in Windows.  The MB vendors I have had release UEFI updates so seldom, and this is the first I have heard a user say they were going to wait.  It may be a very long wait.  The 9.2.0.00087 in W10 is like a miracle to me.  All my Shutdowns, Restarts, Sleeps and Boot to UEFI required a manual Reset.  With the 9.2.0.00087 update, NO MORE!  I must be taking a chance, but so far, so good.  Enjoy, John.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: bogdi1988 on 05-November-18, 18:48:02
OK, absolutely the UEFI must contain drivers.  I know that and do not think I said they didn't, certainly did not mean to say that.   I have never seen a case where a user had to correlate updating the driver in the UEFI with the one in Windows.  The MB vendors I have had release UEFI updates so seldom, and this is the first I have heard a user say they were going to wait.  It may be a very long wait.  The 9.2.0.00087 in W10 is like a miracle to me.  All my Shutdowns, Restarts, Sleeps and Boot to UEFI required a manual Reset.  With the 9.2.0.00087 update, NO MORE!  I must be taking a chance, but so far, so good.  Enjoy, John.
I for one still have issues with shotdown, restart etc with the new driver...
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: jhchris2 on 05-November-18, 20:27:19
bogdi1988, I am completely failure free but I almost ended up with only some of my drivers updated.  How did you update yours?  Here's my device manager:

(http://<a href=)(https://i.postimg.cc/52PrVwxk/RAID-Drivers.jpg)" />

Please double click all the marked devices and check the driver.  If it is not 9.2.0.00087, then update it.  Please let me know what you find.  Good luck and enjoy, John.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: bogdi1988 on 06-November-18, 06:53:34
bogdi1988, I am completely failure free but I almost ended up with only some of my drivers updated.  How did you update yours?  Here's my device manager:

(http://<a href=)(https://i.postimg.cc/52PrVwxk/RAID-Drivers.jpg)" />

Please double click all the marked devices and check the driver.  If it is not 9.2.0.00087, then update it.  Please let me know what you find.  Good luck and enjoy, John.
Right click on each inf file and install. All devices have the latest version of the driver.  I checked 3x :D
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: jhchris2 on 06-November-18, 16:44:06
bogdi1988, what version of W10 are you running?  I am running 1803.17134.345.  Enjoy,  John.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: jhchris2 on 06-November-18, 21:34:02
bogdi1988, I am in the middle of a W10 install and stuck.  I think you are correct and I am having a conflict between the old drivers (070) in the UEFI and the new drivers (087) I am using in Load Driver.  Should I go back to 070 completely  until this is resolved?  Is my pessimism justified - long wait?  I will e-mail AMD and MSI support.  Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks and enjoy, John.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: bogdi1988 on 06-November-18, 22:07:39
bogdi1988, I am in the middle of a W10 install and stuck.  I think you are correct and I am having a conflict between the old drivers (070) in the UEFI and the new drivers (087) I am using in Load Driver.  Should I go back to 070 completely  until this is resolved?  Is my pessimism justified - long wait?  I will e-mail AMD and MSI support.  Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks and enjoy, John.
i was using 1809 and now running 19H1 early builds.
I would stay with 087 if possible.
AMD support is fairly worhtless and very slow. MSI is pretty much the same...
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: jhchris2 on 06-November-18, 22:28:25
Thanks, bogdi1988.  I know a couple of good people at AMD and am still hopeful.  Thanks an enjoy, John.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: bogdi1988 on 06-November-18, 22:51:16
Thanks, bogdi1988.  I know a couple of good people at AMD and am still hopeful.  Thanks an enjoy, John.
BTW, I see you are using your MSI Xpander card... I highly recommend getting the ASUS one instead. It's technically the same thing, but it is in a 1x  PCIe wide slot instead of 2 and it is not as wide of a card so it does not stick out as much, especially if you want to do a vertical GPU, or if you have  a crazy case setup like I have (Corsair 1000D with 2 systems inside)
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: jhchris2 on 06-November-18, 23:25:09
Thanks, bogdi1988, but I am quiet happy with the Xpander and do not care about the width.  Thanks and enjoy, John.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: bogdi1988 on 06-November-18, 23:31:50
Thanks, bogdi1988, but I am quiet happy with the Xpander and do not care about the width.  Thanks and enjoy, John.
Just to double check, you have Xpander in PCIe1 and GPU in PCIe4?
Apparently the board is picky on that according to the manual.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: jhchris2 on 07-November-18, 01:31:58
bogdi1988, mine is just the opposite.  Is that causing me problems?  Seems to have been fine so far.  Where is this written?  I was concerned about not seeing any real instructions.  Thanks and enjoy, John.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: islane on 08-November-18, 05:46:57
Hi folks, I'm building a new 2950x system with an X399 Creation and currently have the 127 beta bios. Does anyone have a link to the 129 beta version?
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: bogdi1988 on 08-November-18, 08:29:40
Hi folks, I'm building a new 2950x system with an X399 Creation and currently have the 127 beta bios. Does anyone have a link to the 129 beta version?
https://we.tl/t-t3anYRf71G
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: bogdi1988 on 08-November-18, 08:30:18
bogdi1988, mine is just the opposite.  Is that causing me problems?  Seems to have been fine so far.  Where is this written?  I was concerned about not seeing any real instructions.  Thanks and enjoy, John.
It was in the manual that specified GPU needs to go in PCIe4 if 2990WX. Page 36 talks about PCIe arrangement for multiple and single video cards.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: jhchris2 on 08-November-18, 23:18:44
Thanks, bogdi1988.  I will exchange the two cards.  I have been using the User Guide (from box) and it says no such thing. Will let you hear how I make out.  Thanks and enjoy, John.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: islane on 09-November-18, 16:10:48
https://we.tl/t-t3anYRf71G


When I go to this link I get a "transfer deleted" message, does anyone have a working link to 129?
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: jhchris2 on 09-November-18, 22:04:56
bogdi1988, I surrendered even installing on a RAID and put W10 on a HDD.  I need to gather my thoughts and get a new installation built that does not have the 9.3.0.0.87 injected into all my .wim files.  I will open a new thread when I have a fresh thought.  AMD has responded and will hopefully respond to my questions.  They did say that the MB Vendor is required to supple the drivers and I assume that means both the one for W10 and the one for the UEFI.  I may wait for both before I try RAID again.  Thanks for your help.  Enjoy, John.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: islane on 09-November-18, 22:13:29
https://www.dropbox.com/s/qt9r3d7xhsdnu2o/E7B92AMS.129?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/qt9r3d7xhsdnu2o/E7B92AMS.129?dl=0)

Link to .129 above for anyone else who needs it, all credit goes to flobelix for providing the new link :biggthumbsup:
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: optical10 on 10-November-18, 14:45:09
Has anybody contacted MSI as to when and how their Windows 10 1809 drivers are going?

I would do it myself but my Meg creation isn't registered due to the fact that I'm going to exchange it for the same board from a different retailer any day now so I can't put a ticket in.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: jhchris2 on 10-November-18, 16:30:59
optical10, I have not and will continue to use 1803 (patch 376) until MS releases 1809 and it has been updated a few times.  MS Media Creation Tool is DLing the 376 patch level of 1803 and it is stable.  Version 1809 is at patch level 55 and has not been updated in over a month.  I suggest users stay far away from it.  I tried it when it was first released and it had plenty of problems.  I suspect it has not been re-released because of many more problems.  What drivers are you looking for from MSI?  You should get all your AMD drivers from AMD DL site (https://www.amd.com/en/support) and other vendor drivers from them.  AMD released a new RAID driver (9.2.0.087) and I think MSI needs to release a new UEFI with commensurate support.  I am unable to do an install on RAID of W10 using the new AMD RAID drivers.  Enjoy, John.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: optical10 on 10-November-18, 18:47:11
optical10, I have not and will continue to use 1803 (patch 376) until MS releases 1809 and it has been updated a few times.  MS Media Creation Tool is DLing the 376 patch level of 1803 and it is stable.  Version 1809 is at patch level 55 and has not been updated in over a month.  I suggest users stay far away from it.  I tried it when it was first released and it had plenty of problems.  I suspect it has not been re-released because of many more problems.  What drivers are you looking for from MSI?  You should get all your AMD drivers from AMD DL site (https://www.amd.com/en/support) and other vendor drivers from them.  AMD released a new RAID driver (9.2.0.087) and I think MSI needs to release a new UEFI with commensurate support.  I am unable to do an install on RAID of W10 using the new AMD RAID drivers.  Enjoy, John.
jhchris2, Okay good to know. I previously had a gigabyte motherboard with similar issues with 1809. It's mainly the AMD chipset and the Realtek audio drivers I want to get sorted. Also with me having an RTX 2080 I'm just getting ready for the ray tracing direct X functionality with in 1809 that I need certain titles so I wanted to see if MSI had a heads up on future release dates for 1809 Sam ahead of the curve. It's a shame that live update isn't up to scratch as it would make it a lot easier. (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=307570.msg1787239#msg1787239) 
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: jhchris2 on 11-November-18, 15:22:27
optical10, this is a user forum and most here do not work for or represent MSI, I do not.  I was not aware there was a new needed function in 1809.  I suggest you try contacting MS and MSI (know you cannot right now).  I think I am getting none of my drivers from MSI.  I suggest you stick with the individual vendors.  I think several posting in this thread including the OP are running 1809 - perhaps they will offer some advice.  BTW, the faint blue font you posted in is not readable.  I had to open a reply so I could read it.  Good luck and enjoy, John.

EDIT: Please see this thread (https://forums.guru3d.com/threads/will-directx-raytracing-work-only-on-windows-10-1809.422724/).  I see lots of articles on the Internet about RTX and possibility of running a Beta on 1803.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: optical10 on 14-November-18, 13:04:02
Looks like 1809 Windows 10 build is rereleased by Microsoft again as of yesterday, anybody pausing updates on their machine until MSI confirm compatibility?
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: jhchris2 on 14-November-18, 17:18:03
Thanks, optical10, saw that last night.  Since I apply my updates offline (using DISM), I am trying to understand this (https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4464619/windows-10-update-history).  Let me know if you have some advice.  Thanks and enjoy, John.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: bogdi1988 on 15-November-18, 22:18:15
John, were you able to configure your RAID and get all reboot working etc?

I was finally able to get it working - reboot, shutdown, RAID, RAID for OS, etc.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: jhchris2 on 15-November-18, 22:35:07
Yes, bogdi1988. Like this: W10, 1803, driver 9.2.0.00087.  All works, Shutdown, Restart, Restart to UEFI and Sleep/Wake.  What I cannot do is an install of W10 with RAID enabled.  RAID did work until I tried an install, now no RAID.  I am waiting for MSI to release an UEFI with 9.2.0.00087 integrated.  Enjoy, John.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: dcpower on 17-November-18, 00:01:14
Using v129, in combination with an 1803 ISO, I have been able to configure both NVME and SATA raid concurrently, and install to said NVME Raid volume no issues. The challenge was ensuring all of the appropriate drivers were loaded in the Windows Setup. It look me choosing multiple drivers to make the NVME volume functional.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: jhchris2 on 17-November-18, 02:15:29
Thanks, dcpower.  Can you be so kind as to tell us what drivers you used and where your system was installed.  Thanks an enjoy, John.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: bogdi1988 on 17-November-18, 09:04:06
John, just as the previous comment - 1803, 92087 drivers with full RAID. Copy contents of this on a USB drive, or same USB as your Windows installer: https://www2.ati.com/drivers/nvme_raid_windows_driver_9_2_0_87.zip
This is the 713kb file. Prior to installing, make sure you change AHCI to RAID in BIOS and that you are in Windows 10 mode. During install, where you select HDD, click load drivers. Then load in this order: bottom, raid, config. Once all 3 are loaded, you can re-format HDD as you want and install.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: bogdi1988 on 17-November-18, 09:06:47
Once Windows loads, update all drivers. I recommend you get from MSI, and also latest from AMD - the full 300MB file. Then you can upgrade to 1809 and later. I am currently on Insider build 18282 without any issues.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: optical10 on 17-November-18, 13:00:33
@jhchris2 sorry about the delay I was unable to find a way to do a quote is it just me or is this website broken?

I'm still debating whether to deploy as I got too many requirements that haven't confirmed 1809 compatibility like my motion simulator racing platform, Intel NIC teaming pro safe software release and MSI and other drivers that are currently noncommittal to compatibility.

Gigabyte was ahead in October with their 1809 drivers but now I've switched to MSI I must say I'm disappointed with the lack of information considering this was supposed to be an October release by Microsoft.
If enough of my issues are solved within the next month or so I might pull the trigger and rely on my Acronis backup and restore to reverse any unlivable issues but will wait and see. Other than that I think we're gonna have to rely on other users here who have pulled the trigger previously so I don't think I'll be much help to you unfortunately.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: jhchris2 on 18-November-18, 02:46:27
optical10, this forum really stinks, telling me I am not signed on immediately after I sign on.  There is a quote icon sixth from the right at the top of the Reply dialog.  If you are talking about quoting from another post, I do not know.  I generally do not use drivers distributed by MB vendors unless they are the only drivers that work.  Otherwise I get my drivers from the part manufacturer like Intel for Wi-Fi and BlueTooth.  I am waiting for a UEFI containing the 9.2.0.087 RAID drivers, then I will move to 1809.  Enjoy, John.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: jhchris2 on 18-November-18, 02:55:48
bogdi1988, I generally do not use drivers distributed by MB vendors unless they are the only drivers that work.  Otherwise I get my drivers from the part manufacturer like Intel for Wi-Fi and BlueTooth.  My drivers are installed during W10 install or injected into the Install.wim and Boot.wim files.  I am curious why you install 1803 first, then upgrade to 1809.  I install 1809 directly.  Enjoy, John.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: bogdi1988 on 19-November-18, 09:35:27
John,

These were the steps I followed and ran into no issues - after dealing with the dreadful no shutdown/restart bug for 2 months now.
I went with 1803 because that installer seems the most stable, plus I normally switch straight to Insider builds as soon as I install. 
Not sure whether injecting in the wim would affect the way the installer detects/installs devices and whether that would affect the way AMD Raid would work. Through this process I learned that AMD RAID is hella complex and finnicky and would rather follow AMD's steps to a T than try to deviate on my own.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: jhchris2 on 19-November-18, 17:32:43
Thanks, bogdi1988.  I am really hardheaded but have stopped injecting my RAID drivers.  I was able to get away with it on my ASRock board, but not MSI.  I still had to Load Driver to see the RAID drives but never added drivers to W10.  
I just updated to 1809 and I can no longer wake from Sleep.  Microsoft has changed the way Offline servicing is done with respect to updates and I need to understand that and get it working.  I do often fresh installs.  I also think my RAID problems are aggravated by my RAID0/RAID10 setup.  It worked great on my ASRock MB.  All my RAID drives are NVMe Samsung SSDs, so no SATA RAID at all and ASRock allows NVMe or SATA or Both.  MSI is RAID or not.  I do have SATA HDD for backup.  I have had RAID0/RAID0 running on my MSI MB and hope to again.  Enjoy, John.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: bogdi1988 on 22-November-18, 23:44:35
So it looks like we got a new BIOS released. v1.2.... Has a much older AGESA than the betas we have been testing or is it just me? 1.0.0.6 < 1.1.0.1A At least in my math book... so not sure how that's an update?
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: jhchris2 on 23-November-18, 02:24:19
bogdi1988, it really contains AGESA!V9.SummitPI-SP3r2-1.1.0.2.  The .txt file is all wrong.  The UEFI is E7B92AMS.120.  It was posted as a Beta recently.  Thanks and enjoy, John.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: darkhawk on 23-November-18, 16:06:01
Just keep in mind that the AGESA version isn't just a 'version' number....you need to know the architecture, since each architecture also has a version....

SummitPi, PinnaclePi, RavenPi, etc....all define a different architecture, on top of the actual version number of the AGESA code.

Very confusing, and poorly handled on AMD's part (per the norm).
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: john.k.torset on 24-November-18, 18:17:35
bogdi1988, it really contains AGESA!V9.SummitPI-SP3r2-1.1.0.2.  The .txt file is all wrong.  The UEFI is E7B92AMS.120.  It was posted as a Beta recently.  Thanks and enjoy, John.

jhchris2 (https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?action=profile;u=682027) Is bios version 1.20 the same as beta 1.29 or have 1.20 been upgraded over beta 1.29? 
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: jhchris2 on 24-November-18, 21:04:54
john.k.torset, I find "E7B92AMS.120 11/14/2018" when I open the file with a hex editor.  When I look at Beta 129, I find E7B92AMS.129 10/25/2018.  I just looked at the MSI Support page and it says 7B92v12 2018-11-15 along with other information like "- Update AGESA Code 1.0.0.6".  The AGESA found with the hex editor is as you posted.  For a number of reasons, I have no plans to use this UEFI.  Almost all the data posted looks wrong.  I do not know what it contains.  Until MSI straightens out this mess, nobody knows.  Enjoy, John.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: bogdi1988 on 25-November-18, 08:51:05
Screw it! I'll give it a try and update on how this BIOS is. :lol_anim:
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: bogdi1988 on 25-November-18, 10:12:13
So, initial testing seems good. Same AGESA 1.1.0.2.
Was able to run RAM @ 3GHz with some tighter timings without BSODs. Previous BETA builds I had to drop to 2933MHz to avoid any BSOD.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: jhchris2 on 26-November-18, 17:14:53
bogdi1988, you are a very brave person!  Can you tell me, please, what RAID drivers are contained - 9.2.0.00087 or 9.2.0.00070?  Thanks and enjoy, John.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: bogdi1988 on 26-November-18, 23:18:07
John, unfortunately BIOS is still on old RAID drivers.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: jhchris2 on 27-November-18, 02:20:56
Thanks much, bogdi1988.  I suspected as much.  Enjoy, John.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: bogdi1988 on 07-December-18, 09:08:43
In the past I have commented about the reboot function being broken on AMD RAID. I think I have found the root cause of that.

I have gone and completely reformatted all drives and installed Windows. All worked well until I started optimizing Windows for SSD/NVME. Started seeing the issue of broken reboots again after making some changes in Windows. Through the process of elimination I was able to find out that if you disable the pagefile in Windows 10, reboot gets broken again (takes 2 reboots to show up after the change). When re-setting the pagefile back to system managed (I haven't tried a custom size), reboot function started working again. So... if you run AMD RAID on Windows 10, DON'T disable page file!
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: john.k.torset on 10-December-18, 07:44:45
The Presicion Boost Overdrive (PBO) needs to be improved for the 2990WX and 2970WX.

When enabling PBO and in Blender rendering maximum CPU temperature are:

Node 0: 68'C
Node 1: 56'C
Node 2: 68'C
Node 3: 48'C

As you can see, the nodes without a working memory controller can boost to higher frequencies before hitting the limit of 68'C.

Please update the bios to independently boost each node to the maximum allowed temperature.

Since this most likely benefits chiplets without working memory controller it only applies to 2990WX and 2970WX.

Thank you.
John
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: optical10 on 22-December-18, 15:07:39
Can somebody check to see if wake-up LAN (WOL) is present in biases all newer than v110, I'm using the original BIOS due to memory compatibility issues, I could have swore I saw when I previously updated the BIOS but obviously I'm not upgrading now I've got things stable?
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: bogdi1988 on 24-December-18, 22:48:38
Can somebody check to see if wake-up LAN (WOL) is present in biases all newer than v110, I'm using the original BIOS due to memory compatibility issues, I could have swore I saw when I previously updated the BIOS but obviously I'm not upgrading now I've got things stable?
In the Wake up section there are 3 options:
1. alarm
2. USB
3. PCI-E cards. In the description of the PCI-E option they talk about PCI-E expansion cards and integrated LAN. So I am assuming this one is the WOL option.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: bogdi1988 on 11-January-19, 08:09:10
For whoever is curious, I tried out the modded 1.31 bios. It opens up the AMD PBS and AMD CBS menus and it is fully unlocked. If anyone wants the file I will gladly share it.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: cybrnook on 11-January-19, 17:14:39
For whoever is curious, I tried out the modded 1.31 bios. It opens up the AMD PBS and AMD CBS menus and it is fully unlocked. If anyone wants the file I will gladly share it.
I already have it posted in the beta bios section, but here it is again:

1usmus over in overclock has unlocked CBS (and a few other features) in the latest 131 beta:
https://www.overclock.net/forum/27779864-post496.html
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: jhchris2 on 11-January-19, 17:47:46
Thanks, cybroonk. where is the Beta BIOS section - link?  Is it MSI's, yours, or what?  Is there any information on these files, like who created them, etc?  Is 1.31 an MSI Beta BIOS or what?  Thanks much and enjoy, John.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: bogdi1988 on 11-January-19, 19:52:50
Thanks, cybroonk. where is the Beta BIOS section - link?  Is it MSI's, yours, or what?  Is there any information on these files, like who created them, etc?  Is 1.31 an MSI Beta BIOS or what?  Thanks much and enjoy, John.
You can download the file from the link he shared in the post above.
He was refering to the Beta BIOS post that was here on the MSI forum where he initially shared the file.
Created by 1usmus and it is pretty much the official MSI 1.31 beta that was available here with a few unlocks to be able to access PBS and CBS.
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: bogdi1988 on 25-January-19, 09:31:28
FYI, I read that beta 1.31 of the bios will become official release of 1.3
Title: Re: MSI MEG CREATION X399 - Few Issues with Current Release BIOS
Post by: bogdi1988 on 16-April-19, 16:10:51
Hey John,

Looks like release 1.3 has the updated RAID driver as well ;)

https://www.overclock.net/forum/10-amd-cpus/1705286-ryzen-threadripper-2990wx-2970wx-2950x-2920x-owners-club-77.html#post27934862 (https://www.overclock.net/forum/10-amd-cpus/1705286-ryzen-threadripper-2990wx-2970wx-2950x-2920x-owners-club-77.html#post27934862)
You can also try the modded on if you want. I have been using his modded bios releases and system has been pretty stable.