5090 Surpim - Horrible mouse/keyboard performance at times even on desktop/idle, seems like gpu struggles with "mutlitasking"

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I've been chasing this issue for months, i got the card around July 2025, if i noticed this issue then, i would've returned it.

I had a 4090 suprim before and didn't notice this, i also used a 5090 FE for 2-3 weeks and also didn't notice/complain about this, it's possible i just didn't notice it but i'm quite OCD and i think i would have.

I used driver 566.36 for 4090, the 5090 requires modern drivers.
The 5090 FE used: 576.88 and 577.00, the 5090 suprim is currently using 577.00 but i have tried a few new ones including 581.42 and 591.86.
I run the 5090 suprim in silent bios just like i did with 4090 suprim.


System setup:
9800x3d​
B650 tomahawk​
5090 suprim​
2x32gb cl30 6000mhz kingston fury​
corsair Rm1200x shift psu​
1x pcie sound card (Soundblaster AE-7)​
2x samsung 990 pro nvme​
Dual monitor: 240hz oled + 144hz IPS, VRR on, Gsync/g sync compataible on​
Windows 11 pro, 25h2 (OS Build: 26200.8037)​
I have tried updating the bios on my motherboard and chipset, i am currently using Am5 chipset: 8.01.20.513 and Bios B650 tomahawk: 7D75v1P8. (have been on quite a few).

The issue / Symptoms
At times mouse looks lower hz, like it's "Skipping" it's not terribly bad but it's noticable to someone with a highend system of 5090 and 240hz oled.​
Typing sometimes feels off, i don't know how to describe this except, i watch my screen as i type and sometimes it feels like there is some sort of "Display delay" in the letters.​
Dragging windows, on the main monitor it's far smoother than second, expected i guess but it's very noticable that it's not correct, it does not look like 240hz and 144hz.​
These symptoms all seemingly appear less / look better when i had a x870e aorus elite x3d I don't have the board now but the cursor and keyboard was definetly more consistent, the second monitor didn't look as blurred when dragging windows, overall it seemed more "correct".​
The mouse, on b650, if i drag it in a straight line on the desktop, it "hitches" almost like my hand twitches/stops for 0.1 seconds, i could consistently make it smooth with the x870e, also i could go "faster" before it became blurry vs the b650 tomahawk, similar stuff on my second monitor.​
I think, my games are also a little more blurred on the b650 tomahawk, playing something that has fast movement seems slightly harder on the b650 after experiencing the x870e board, e.g. hollow knight - dodging fast paced boss movement.​
Maybe related, when i got the 5090 suprim, i started having weird stutters in some games, E.G. Repo, i found closing "Display fusion" fixed it, i blamed the app and don't use it now but i never had that issue when i had the 5090 FE or 4090 suprim. Again, it looks like the 5090 suprim struggles with doing multiple things as i believe display fusion uses part of the gpu, the app was so i could have a taskbar shown at all times on second monitor but hide it on main monitor (oled burn in prevention reasons).​
What I've tried:
Swapping between normal and prefer maximum power in Nvidia control panel​
Swapping 12vhpwr cables​
Swapping display cables (fo32u2p offers DP 2.1, i tried both DP 2.1 and hdmi 2.1)​
STOCK bios and my own settings with pbo/expo​
Main drive NVME is new / swapped since issue started​
Swapping the keyboard + mouse to usb 2.0 (Chipset) vs usb 3.2 red port (cpu)​
Different mouse and keyboard​
Mouse acceleration is OFF, DPI is 1600​
OCCT steady extreme - passes 1 hour, have done MANY 1 hour tests​
OCCT PSU test​
Karhu mem test for 10000%+​
Of course, i DDU when switching GPU drivers​
I have reinstalled windows plenty between the issue starting​
Stock GPU and Undervolt via MSI Afterburner (2700mhz @ 0.9v)​
Setting pcie to gen 4 vs auto (auto on b650 = gen 5).​
I'm very confused what to do or where to go now, the b650 tomahawk has never given me issues prior to the 5090 suprim, the 5090 suprim seemingly behaves better with x870e gigabyte board though but i'm unsure if the gpu is faulty and an issue is simply being "masked".
The x870e gigabyte caused issues, which i sent it back for and they said it did not turn on and have refunded me (It never stopped turning on for me though?).
I've had a few x870 boards which all have had issues.
2x870 tomahawks around Jan 2025 - which gave me weird boot issues, which has now come to light as the PCIE boot training issues MSI are currently trying to fix via bios updates.
2x gigabyte aorus elite x3d boards - first one suddenly turned bitlocker encryption on and after de-encrypting it, it would turn itself back on when shutting down or sleeping? - 2nd board had ethernet drop outs with "Tx hang / event 9" when downloading at 2gbps speeds and also caused my pcie sound card to channel swap.
1x tomahawk x870e - i don't recall much with this, i had fan controller issues and just sent it back, i don't know if this also seemingly fixed the mouse/keyboard issues similar to the x870e aorus did.

I feel like multi tasking is a real struggle with this 5090 suprim though. I often keep chrome + discord open on my second monitor to prevent burn in on the main oled, main monitor often has something i'm doing, like this browser right now, or a game, movie, or just the desktop. One thing also, VRR flicker, on the x870e aorus x3d, this seemed worse funny enough, a game i play a lot had major VRR flicker, very bright/strong and frequent vs the b650 which rarely has it and when it does, it's very mild/not stupidly bright. The b650 does not feel "bad" in games, just more blurry vs the x870e aorus which i am guessing is related to the cursor/keyboard stuff.

Last bit of information:
Temps are great and never a concern, i keep hwinfo64 open from boot, GPU temps never exceed 80c and often sub 70c, memory temps never exeed 84c and often around 70c.
CPU only hits 90s during shader compiling, games often stay around 60c or below.
Ram hits 50-60c, not an issue, i don't run high Trefi / Karhu pushes it higher for the 10000% pass.
NVME is always sub 70c in worse case.
Chipset is always sub 60c, often capping at 59.2c

EDIT:

Collection of Pictures,

Shows a quick 3 min run with 5090 FE, absurd temps in game at stock...
5090 suprim OCCT on recieving it, a few power tests, vulkan mem, Karhu, silent hill f crash etc..

I had 2 crashes in Silent hill F playthrough - first with undervolt, after a cutscene (locks to 30fps), so i ran stock and 2 nights later got that crash during a pause when using the toilet.
I haven't had many crashes but i do get some texture bugs here and there. stutters at times despite high fps, nothing too excessive but thought i'd mention it.
Firefox can sometimes, very very rarely cause a driver crash that happens in 0.1-0.4 seconds, a black screen flicker, on driver 581.46 this happens as a black screen to the entire monitor and it comes back fine, on driver 591.86, this happened as a firefox window black screen flicker. Event log shows event 153 i think (Old windows install) and nvlddmkm or what not. I suspect this is just a driver issue since this is the only case it has happened and i don't get both 153 + 14 or whatever the event id are that people are complaining about with game crashes involving nvlddmkm.
 
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Have you tried to go to MSI Center > Live Update > Advanced scan for available VBIOS update?
Can you take a screenshot of GPU-Z > Advanced > click on the drop down menu and select NVIDIA BIOS, where it shows the installed VBIOS version?
 
Have you tried to go to MSI Center > Live Update > Advanced scan for available VBIOS update?
Can you take a screenshot of GPU-Z > Advanced > click on the drop down menu and select NVIDIA BIOS, where it shows the installed VBIOS version?
Yeah, i did download MSI center recently and check the advanced scan for a Vbios update - i read about it and was hopeful but no updates were found.

Here is the GPU-Z info + Vbios info.
 
Not this, click on Advanced tab, then from drop down list select [NVIDIA BIOS]
and show a screenshot.
 
Got it, because the forum only shows the 1st image, didn't knew they are 2 on the link.

Oki, you have latest vBIOS installed.
You can try the Gaming vBIOS, would produce better cooling and performance.
 
Got it, because the forum only shows the 1st image, didn't knew they are 2 on the link.

Oki, you have latest vBIOS installed.
You can try the Gaming vBIOS, would produce better cooling and performance.
I assume you mean toggling the switch on the card right? (Not flashing the gaming trio Vbios).

I can give that a try, i hate high fan noise but in gaming it's generally not a problem.
 
I assume you mean toggling the switch on the card right? (Not flashing the gaming trio Vbios).

I can give that a try, i hate high fan noise but in gaming it's generally not a problem.

Yes, turn off the computer and flip the BIOS switch. no need flashing.
 
Yes, turn off the computer and flip the BIOS switch. no need flashing.
It doesn't seem to make any real difference.

Also, the silent Vbios performed differently on the X870e aorus elite x3d - so the Vbios wouldn't be the issue (i would think?).

That's the bit confusing me, the gigabyte x870e seems to make the cursor, keyboard and visual just a tad smoother (So i would think it's a motherboard issue with this), to where things look and feel right but the B650 didn't feel off until the 5090 and was fine with 4090 and i believe the 5090 FE.
 
Also, the silent Vbios performed differently on the X870e aorus elite x3d - so the Vbios wouldn't be the issue (i would think?).

Yes, could be. I haven't read yet your 1st large post yet with what issue you got.
(Will read it later)

Just giving you a quick ideas.

Would be possible to record and show a video of the issue?

Horrible mouse/keyboard performance at times even on desktop/idle, seems like gpu struggles with "mutlitasking"​


Another quick tip (without knowing your issue in details, just based on this text):
Can you set Nvidia to "Power management mode" to [Prefer maximum performance]
and retest?
 
Yes, could be. I haven't read yet your 1st large post yet with what issue you got.
(Will read it later)

Just giving you a quick ideas.

Would be possible to record and show a video of the issue?



Another quick tip (without knowing your issue in details, just based on this text):
Can you set Nvidia to "Power management mode" to [Prefer maximum performance]
and retest?
I can try record the issue but it's very hard to notice it unless you're using the pc really, if i hadn't had a 4090 on this pc, i'd think this is normal for the most part but then when i used the x870e aorus, it was clear that there was added latency on things like cursor movement, typing and stuff (on b650). I will see if i can hook up my laptop to my screens tomorrow and test the mouse + keyboard and then also do it with the pc. Maybe something will show up on camera.

Typing just feels like the GPU is always struggling at times, the text isn't really perfectly smooth with the typing but that's again only something i notice because i can type while looking at the screen, i can tell when the input feels to fall behind and how the x870e felt much better in this regard and more consistent too. Same thing with the cursor smoothness overall., Best way to describe the cursor is that it feels like x870e displayed the cursor at a higher refresh, despite both running at 240hz.

As for Nvidia control settings, I have tested and do use max performance mode daily.
 
As for Nvidia control settings, I have tested and do use max performance mode daily.

Okay

Along with my other suggestion above.

Dual monitor: 240hz oled + 144hz IPS, VRR on, Gsync/g sync compataible on

If you leave only 1 monitor connected to the GPU
(test with each one display/monitor alone at the time)
do you still notice this issue?
 
Okay

Along with my other suggestion above.



If you leave only 1 monitor connected to the GPU
(test with each one display/monitor alone at the time)
do you still notice this issue?
How exactly should i be testing Latencymon?

I tested it in the past and the b650 tomahawk definetly has higher spikes than the x870e but both have spikes related to nvidia drivers.

Should i be leaving the pc at idle during it? Playing something?
There's so much mixed info how the right way to check latency with it and i'm not sure.

I have tried "Win+P" and picking one monitor at a time, it didn't seem to make a difference, i will have to test actually unplugging and turning the pc on with only one connected though.
 
I have tried "Win+P" and picking one monitor at a time, it didn't seem to make a difference, i will have to test actually unplugging and turning the pc on with only one connected though.

unplug it totally

How exactly should i be testing Latencymon?

I tested it in the past and the b650 tomahawk definetly has higher spikes than the x870e but both have spikes related to nvidia drivers.

Should i be leaving the pc at idle during it? Playing something?
There's so much mixed info how the right way to check latency with it and i'm not sure.

Try at idle 1st and leave it for 10-15 minutes to ensure no high latency or spikes.

Then while keep running try to duplicate your issue with lag,
then check what will be recorded within the latencymon in Drivers,
sort it by "Drivers Highest execution" count and "DPC count"
 
unplug it totally



Try at idle 1st and leave it for 10-15 minutes to ensure no high latency or spikes.

Then while keep running try to duplicate your issue with lag,
then check what will be recorded within the latencymon in Drivers,
sort it by "Drivers Highest execution" count and "DPC count"
The issue happens at idle too basically, just moving the cursor and typing.

But i can do that.

I also got a new PSU today, Seasonic TX-1600 to replace my Corsair RM1200x shift, decided i'm going to put that corsair rm1200x shift into a different pc in the house, that way troubleshooting things in future will be a lot more simple as the PSU can handle the 5090 and such.

I think i'll also try bring that PC up to my room and plug my 5090 in, the pc has the same b650 tomahawk but a 7600x instead of my 9800x3d. If it looks and feels better it's going to be the CPU of all things.

edit:

I did a bunch of latencymon tests, first with all my usual apps, then all closed, then slowly opening them more and more for each test.

Issue is, it doesn't feel like the latencymon latency is related to the mouse/keyboard sluggish feel.

When i closed all my usual programs i have minimized things looked better in latencymon,
248.60 interrupt to process, 4.980 ISR routine, 268.10 DPC (ndis.sys).
Average interrupt to process: 16.019883
Average DPC latency: 2.169336

Simply having discord opened:
214.80 interrupt to process, 6.420 ISR routine, 371.760 DPC (ntoskrnl.exe).
Average interrupt to process: 14.848579
Average DPC latency: 3.071223

All my usual programs: Discord, fan control, hwinfo64, soundblaster command (sound card), Jagex Launcher (game launcher), Malwarebytes premium, steam,
799.80 interrupt to process, 4.710 ISR routine, 482.910 DPC (nvlddmkm.sys).
Average interrupt to process: 14.482469
Average DPC latency: 1.560904

I did a second test of the above and:

434.60 interrupt to process, 4.740 ISR routine, 609.430 DPC (nvlddmkm.sys).
Average interrupt to process: 15.163828
Average DPC latency: 2.214968

I will try compose the data in a better way tomorrow, i got a lot of data saved but still, i always ran all these programs on B650 / older/newer motherboards and the mouse/keyboard didn't feel terrible nor is it only "spikey" i guess? (what i mean is, generally, the DPC/interrupt is pretty low but the spikes happen, i'd expect the keyboard/mouse to feel worse during those spikes).

I will do the other pc test tomorrow to rule out CPU, since i did have early quirks with x870 tomahawk boards ONLY with installing the 9800x3d - but it worked fine in my b650 board... (pcie boot stutter issue that's happening to many though but i still wonder).
 
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So i tested my gpu in my pc downstairs.

All the components are different except the gpu.

It's using:
B650 tomahawk (a different one)
2x16gb cl30 6000mhz ram
7600x
rm1200x shift
my 5090

Cursor still felt/looked a bit off, keyboard too, dragging windows was also inconsistent, especially second screen.

Running cyberpunk benchmark, every single time, it produced 1-5 "naks sent count", I often saw these pop up from time to time, it seems some games produce it more than others, Silent hill F is another i saw these in, not loads during playthroughs but they happen.
In my experience with cyberpunk, it's always as it transitions INTO the benchmark, OR shortly after it starts (so shortly after transition / load screen).

Another thing
I found that if i set my logitech mouse to polling rate 500, or even 250, it sort of reproduces the issue i am talking about, with the mouse anyway. it starts having "hitches" when you go lower and move in straight lines etc...
This is the same visual i am getting but i am also experiencing keyboard weirdness (wired) and the whole desktop window dragging thing.

Furmark
Simply having the furmark window open (Where you choose presets etc), causes the mouse to move around VERY stuttery, is this normal? Can anyone try this. I don't often use Furmark.

edit:

Also as far as i'm aware, Recovery counts and "Naks sent" are harmless if only a few occur, i thought it was strange i could replicate it the way i mentioned though.
 
Hello,

No issues with Furmark 2.10.2
Just wondering, does the 2nd PC also have a Samsung 990 nvme drive?
Yes it does but my laptop with a 4060 also does the Furmark thing upon testing, so it's nothing with the gpu itself nor the SSD i guess (lenovo laptop doesn't have samsung)

I'm planning on buying another x870 at some point, funny enough, one of my multi tasking issues has randomly fixed itself and the only thing that has changed/happened is a windows update that was forced a night or so ago. (I literally ran tests on laptop + 2 pcs messing with a ton of stuff prior to all this too).

E.g. running slay the spire 2 + discord on 2nd monitor, clicking off slay the spire 2, it was dropping to low fps even though Gsync/VRR is on and discord was extremely laggy to even scroll - it's stuff like this that has always felt super rough with the 5090.

That specific interaction is now working as expected.

My main issues are now just the mouse+keyboard feeling worse with the 5090 + b650 than my other gpus + b650.

EDIT: i'll capture the furmark behaviour tomorrow through OBS recording too and post here, if it shows up on the recording anyway.
 
My RTX 4060 laptop
Both my computers are minimal software, no monitoring processes (like Rivatuner plugin RTSS for MSI afterburner) or overlays which might impact Furmark.

The Cyberpunk NAKs issue is interesting as this suggests something is triggering the NAK packets, possibly GPU load related. Did you ever try severely underclocking the card and power limits all to the minimum? (If you do try this can you also check what the GPU boost clock range is under this condition)

I'm leaning towards the GPU being your problem as you mentioned another 5090FE working <You got rid due to temperatures or something else?
 
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