A few questions

[drek4]

Wow

That list is really handy. Some of them i didn't even know have in built benchmarks.
Apologies but you might have lost me a little bit regarding terms like TS and TPL1/2, but bare with me i'm still trying to learn. Its all new to me right now. But whats interesting is every title Ive tested so far, i am getting 1080p Ultra presets with Ray tracing and DLSS on as defaults. So there is that silver lining.

Appreciate all the feedback all the same and taking your time off work to help me. I cant thank you enough. Still learning and im not sure how long it will be before i get to grips with all the processes.

I'm gonna end it here and try not to mess about too much. Lest i mess something up in BIOS.

Have a good day

Sorry about that...

TS = ThrottleStop that's what I use for controlling my CPU, most of them are beasts you need to tame,
and just 3 settings in MSI Center Performance, Balanced, Battery is much to wide for me, I need more precision, so I go in User Scenario,
I adjust the first on the left to 0-20%, doesn't really matter, but the others from center to right, 40-70-100-130-150, now we are set.
But I always use COOLER BOOST when gaming, but if ever I forget or had a drink, I know there's no need to worry.

You can use also XTU, but TS is so easy to modify parameters, it's just like child's play.

PL1 = CPU NON-TURBO Power Limit, for my i7-12700H 58W (BIOS 58000=58W) Intel recommends 35-65, can go up to 65W sustained,
PL2 = CPU TURBO Power Limit, for my i7-12700H 68W (BIOS 68000 = 68W) Intel recommends 45-75, but can go up to 115W spike.

PL1 = CPU NON-TURBO Power Limit, for a i9-12900H 65W (BIOS 65000=65W) Intel recommends 35-65, can go up to 65W sustained,
PL2 = CPU TURBO Power Limit, for a i9-12700H 75W (BIOS 75000 = 75W) Intel recommends 45-75, but can go up to 115W spike.

Next post I will go more in detail about BIOS.

ThrottleStop 9.6 Download

ThrottleStop is a small application designed to monitor for and correct the three main types of CPU throttling that are being used on many lapto

www.techpowerup.com

Didn't take time off my work, just checked the forum during my break.

 

[Grieverokami]

TS = ThrottleStop that's what I use for controlling my CPU, most of them are beasts you need to tame,
and just 3 settings in MSI Center Performance, Balanced, Battery is much to wide for me, I need more precision, so I go in User Scenario,
I adjust the first on the left to 0-20%, doesn't really matter, but the others from center to right, 40-70-100-130-150, now we are set.
But I always use COOLER BOOST when gaming, but if ever I forget or had a drink, I know there's no need to worry.

You can use also XTU, but TS is so easy to modify parameters, it's just like child's play.

Noted

Wish it were that easy for me. Problem i have is that both Intel Tuner and Throttle stop have their functions blocked. I did return the settings to default in BIOS a few weeks back when i chickened out on undervolting so maybe its because of that?

 

[drek4]

Noted

Wish it were that easy for me. Problem i have is that both Intel Tuner and Throttle stop have their functions blocked. I did return the settings to default in BIOS a few weeks back when i chickened out on undervolting so maybe its because of that?
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Well let's start with the BIOS first.
As in this picture you have to make sure OVERCLOCK FEATURE IS ENABLED.
As stated previously, Advanced BIOS: Hold LEFT-ALT + RIGHT-CTRL + RIGHT-SHIFT, then press F2

 

[drek4]

Noted

Wish it were that easy for me. Problem i have is that both Intel Tuner and Throttle stop have their functions blocked. I did return the settings to default in BIOS a few weeks back when i chickened out on undervolting so maybe its because of that?
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As in this picture you have to make sure OVERCLOCKING LOCK is DISABLED.

 

[drek4]

Noted

Wish it were that easy for me. Problem i have is that both Intel Tuner and Throttle stop have their functions blocked. I did return the settings to default in BIOS a few weeks back when i chickened out on undervolting so maybe its because of that?
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As in this picture you have to make sure PL1 is at 65000 (65W) and PL2 is at 75000 (75W) for your i9-12900H.
You also see the "40" in brackets underneath it, this is the time that the TURBO will remain enabled, when the system requires the boost,
so if your temps still remain high when gaming, lower it one notch.

 

[drek4]

Noted

Wish it were that easy for me. Problem i have is that both Intel Tuner and Throttle stop have their functions blocked. I did return the settings to default in BIOS a few weeks back when i chickened out on undervolting so maybe its because of that?
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As you see in this picture, these are the fail safes for your CPU.
CRITICAL TRIP POINT is the temperature your BIOS will shutdown your laptop, mine is set by default at 103oC.
TRIP POINT O/1 are simply temperatures that your fans will kick in if you leave your fans on silent, so that it doesn't heat up.
PASSIVE TRIP POINT is your PROCHOT value, that means your CPU will start to thermal throttle at that temperature.

 

[drek4]

Noted

Wish it were that easy for me. Problem i have is that both Intel Tuner and Throttle stop have their functions blocked. I did return the settings to default in BIOS a few weeks back when i chickened out on undervolting so maybe its because of that?
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On the weekend I will try to find time to send you more info and pics about ThrottleStop.

 

[Grieverokami]

On the weekend I will try to find time to send you more info and pics about ThrottleStop.

Ive save everything on a notepad including your screens. Thanks for the thorough breakdown.

Finally just wondering, are you using an external monitor? If so is there a way to get BIOS to be displayed on it? makes things easier to read on a bigger screen.

 

[drek4]

Ive save everything on a notepad including your screens. Thanks for the thorough breakdown.

Finally just wondering, are you using an external monitor? If so is there a way to get BIOS to be displayed on it? makes things easier to read on a bigger screen.

No an external monitor is not possible for the BIOS, some companies like DELL have a DP port than can do this, with a certain degree of success, this is not the case here.
Older laptops with a VGA connection can achieve this also, my X556UQ had one, 2016 model, but haven't seen much since.

 

[drek4]

Keep in mind this is a GUIDE not a written in stone MANUAL feel free to modify this if your laptop performs better with slight changes to these values.

So as you can see the 1st picture is the monitor for MULTI PLAYER FPS & TPS Shooters and CPU intensive games.
GAMES: CSGO, MS Flight Simulator, Far Cry 5, ARMA 3, Warhammer, Watch Dog Legion, Multi Player games.
Keep in mind you only want to use these settings to be performing the best frame rates possible for your games and still be able to game without worries.
So for your i9 go for High Performance : CORE 0,1 49/49, CORE 2/3 46/46, CORE 4/5 45/45, CORE 6/7 44/44, the first 2 cores are the most important.
You want to set PL1/PL2 to 65/75 same as in the BIOS I send to you previously as maximum possible, since you have an i9.
Of course you only want to set this for multi player online games, nothing other than this, if you want that edge performance.,
You want to make sure High Performance is checked, so that W11 and TS will make sure CPU is a priority.
EDIT: Forgot to mention, your AC Loadline should be 140 for an i9 (i7 130)

So for i7 13620H go for High Performance : CORE 0,1 49/49, CORE 2/3 46/46, CORE 4/5 45/45, CORE 6/7 44/44.
You want to set PL1/PL2 to 65/72 same as in the BIOS.

So for i7 12700H go for High Performance : CORE 0,1 47/47, CORE 2/3 45/45, CORE 4/5 44/44, CORE 6/7 43/43.
You want to set PL1/PL2 to 58/68 same as in the BIOS.

So for i7 10750H go for High Performance : CORE 0,1 49/49, CORE 2/3 46/46, CORE 4/5 45/45, CORE 6/7 44/44.
You want to set PL1/PL2 to 50/60 same as in the BIOS.

So for i7 9750H go for High Performance : CORE 0,1 45/45, CORE 2/3 43/43, CORE 4/5 42/42, CORE 6/7 41/41.
You want to set PL1/PL2 to 45/55 same as in the BIOS.

If you want settings for i7 8565U, i7 7700HQ, i7 6700HQ send me a message or reply to this post.

 

[drek4]

Keep in mind this is a GUIDE not a written in stone MANUAL feel free to modify this if your laptop performs better with slight changes to these values.

GAMES: The Division 2, Control, Doom Eternal, Last of us Part1, Dying Light 2, Cyberpunk 2077, RDR2, Shadow of the Tomb Raider.
So as you can see the 1st picture is the monitor for all the other games that need as much CPU as GPU, the games that most of us use.
Keep in mind you only want to use these settings to be performing the best frame rates possible for your games and still be able to game without worries.
So for your i9 go for : CORE 0,1 46/46, CORE 2/3 45/45, CORE 4/5 44/44, CORE 6/7 43/43.
You want to set PL1/PL2 to 55/65, since you have an i9.
Lowering the PL1/PL2 will give more watts to the GPU, this is very important for a great visual quality.
Of course you want to set this for games that require as much CPU as GPU to perform well.

So for i7 13620H go for High Performance : CORE 0,1 46/46, CORE 2/3 45/45, CORE 4/5 44/44, CORE 6/7 43/43.
You want to set PL1/PL2 to 60/67.

So for i7 12700H go for High Performance : CORE 0,1 45/45, CORE 2/3 44/44, CORE 4/5 43/43, CORE 6/7 42/42.
You want to set PL1/PL2 to 55/65.

So for i7 10750H go for High Performance : CORE 0,1 46/46, CORE 2/3 45/45, CORE 4/5 44/44, CORE 6/7 43/43.
You want to set PL1/PL2 to 45/55.

So for i7 9750H go for High Performance : CORE 0,1 42/42, CORE 2/3 41/41, CORE 4/5 40/40, CORE 6/7 39/39.
You want to set PL1/PL2 to 40/50.

If you want settings for i7 8565U, i7 7700HQ, i7 6700HQ send me a message or reply to this post.

 

[drek4]

Ive save everything on a notepad including your screens. Thanks for the thorough breakdown.

Finally just wondering, are you using an external monitor? If so is there a way to get BIOS to be displayed on it? makes things easier to read on a bigger screen.

As you can see, it's not witchcraft, it's just knowing what the values do, then it's simple.
I will add older games and battery settings later.

 

[drek4]

Keep in mind this is a GUIDE not a written in stone MANUAL feel free to modify this if your laptop performs better with slight changes to these values.

GAMES: Far Cry 3, Far Cry 4, World of Tanks, World of Warships, World of Warcraft, AC Series up to AC Black Flag and Indie games .
So as you can see the 1st picture is the monitor for all the other games that need not much CPU and GPU, most online free games.
Keep in mind you only want to use these settings to keep your laptop nice and cool, since this will be enough to have a playable game.
So for your i9 go for : CORE 0,1 40/40, CORE 2/3 39/39, CORE 4/5 38/38, CORE 6/7 37/37.
You want to set PL1/PL2 to 45/55, since you have an i9.
Lowering the PL1/PL2 will reduce heat output inside your laptop, to increase durability.
Of course you want to set this for older games that require not much CPU and GPU to keep your laptop nice and cool.

So for i7 13620H go for High Performance : CORE 0,1 40/40, CORE 2/3 39/39, CORE 4/5 38/38, CORE 6/7 37/37.
You want to set PL1/PL2 to 50/60.

So for i7 12700H go for High Performance : CORE 0,1 40/40, CORE 2/3 39/39, CORE 4/5 38/38, CORE 6/7 37/37.
You want to set PL1/PL2 to 45/55.

So for i7 10750H go for High Performance : CORE 0,1 40/40, CORE 2/3 39/39, CORE 4/5 38/38, CORE 6/7 37/37.
You want to set PL1/PL2 to 40/50.

So for i7 9750H go for High Performance : CORE 0,1 40/40, CORE 2/3 39/39, CORE 4/5 38/38, CORE 6/7 37/37.
You want to set PL1/PL2 to 40/45.


If you want settings for i7 8565U, i7 7700HQ, i7 6700HQ send me a message or reply to this post.

 

[Grieverokami]

Keep in mind this is a GUIDE not a written in stone MANUAL feel free to modify this if your laptop performs better with slight changes to these values.

GAMES: Far Cry 3, Far Cry 4, World of Tanks, World of Warships, World of Warcraft, AC Series up to AC Black Flag and Indie games .
So as you can see the 1st picture is the monitor for all the other games that need not much CPU and GPU, most online free games.
Keep in mind you only want to use these settings to keep your laptop nice and cool, since this will be enough to have a playable game.
So for your i9 go for : CORE 0,1 40/40, CORE 2/3 39/39, CORE 4/5 38/38, CORE 6/7 37/37.
You want to set PL1/PL2 to 45/55, since you have an i9.
Lowering the PL1/PL2 will reduce heat output inside your laptop, to increase durability.
Of course you want to set this for older games that require not much CPU and GPU to keep your laptop nice and cool.

So for i7 13620H go for High Performance : CORE 0,1 40/40, CORE 2/3 39/39, CORE 4/5 38/38, CORE 6/7 37/37.
You want to set PL1/PL2 to 50/60.

So for i7 12700H go for High Performance : CORE 0,1 40/40, CORE 2/3 39/39, CORE 4/5 38/38, CORE 6/7 37/37.
You want to set PL1/PL2 to 45/55.

So for i7 10750H go for High Performance : CORE 0,1 40/40, CORE 2/3 39/39, CORE 4/5 38/38, CORE 6/7 37/37.
You want to set PL1/PL2 to 40/50.

So for i7 9750H go for High Performance : CORE 0,1 40/40, CORE 2/3 39/39, CORE 4/5 38/38, CORE 6/7 37/37.
You want to set PL1/PL2 to 40/45.


If you want settings for i7 8565U, i7 7700HQ, i7 6700HQ send me a message or reply to this post.

Once again i appreciate the time you've taken to help me out with this. A lot of it does go over my head but i am trying to make sense of it.
And again I've saved everything on Notepad along with images. When i find the time ill make an attempt. Once i figure out how to unlock Throttlestop that is.

EDIT: Question, when picking a laptop for 1080p/1440p gaming, do you generally seek out an I9 over an I7 INTEL CPU? In your experience with MSI notebooks, which designation to you find preferable? I7 or I9? Also for the sake of comparison, what do you think would be the AMD equivalent for my 12900H? Not factoring price anyway.

 

[drek4]

Once again i appreciate the time you've taken to help me out with this. A lot of it does go over my head but i am trying to make sense of it.
And again I've saved everything on Notepad along with images. When i find the time ill make an attempt. Once i figure out how to unlock Throttlestop that is.

EDIT: Question, when picking a laptop for 1080p/1440p gaming, do you generally seek out an I9 over an I7 INTEL CPU? In your experience with MSI notebooks, which designation to you find preferable? I7 or I9? Also for the sake of comparison, what do you think would be the AMD equivalent for my 12900H? Not factoring price anyway.

For a laptop, always i7, never i9, if only for mobility, might go i5, i3 only if want a low powered for mobility and work only.
For a desktop, if have the money i9, if not i7 default choice, if strapped for cash i5, if a server i3, i5 or i7 depends if for videos, work or intense productivity.
As for AMD, every time I almost go that route, an Intel comes out I just can't overlook.
You can check out all the CPUs, how they fare in numerous benchmarks in the link.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-Processors-Benchmark-List.2436.0.html

 

[drek4]

Once again i appreciate the time you've taken to help me out with this. A lot of it does go over my head but i am trying to make sense of it.
And again I've saved everything on Notepad along with images. When i find the time ill make an attempt. Once i figure out how to unlock Throttlestop that is.

EDIT: Question, when picking a laptop for 1080p/1440p gaming, do you generally seek out an I9 over an I7 INTEL CPU? In your experience with MSI notebooks, which designation to you find preferable? I7 or I9? Also for the sake of comparison, what do you think would be the AMD equivalent for my 12900H? Not factoring price anyway.

Just take your time to assimilate, you got to walk, before you can run.

 

[Grieverokami]

Just take your time to assimilate, you got to walk, before you can run.

So true mate. That is true. we learn by breaking things i guess.

 

[Grieverokami]

For a laptop, always i7, never i9, if only for mobility, might go i5, i3 only if want a low powered for mobility and work only.
For a desktop, if have the money i9, if not i7 default choice, if strapped for cash i5, if a server i3, i5 or i7 depends if for videos, work or intense productivity.
As for AMD, every time I almost go that route, an Intel comes out I just can't overlook.
You can check out all the CPUs, how they fare in numerous benchmarks in the link.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-Processors-Benchmark-List.2436.0.html

That's interesting. i opted for the I9 because the 15" Rainbow Six Extraction Edition only had RTX 3070 and i7. In my head i thought why not go for the I9 and RTX 3070 Ti?

 

[drek4]

So true mate. That is true. we learn by breaking things i guess.

We just remember longer the event, that helps us avoid a repeat.

 

[drek4]

That's interesting. i opted for the I9 because the 15" Rainbow Six Extraction Edition only had RTX 3070 and i7. In my head i thought why not go for the I9 and RTX 3070 Ti?

Well if it was to go for the RTX3070 Ti, then it was worth choosing the i9 version, because it's much better that the RTX 3070.
But I always choose a laptop by it's performance, specs, options and cooling, if it looks good, all the better, if not, no sweat of my back.