AMD Ryzen memory support

[lulafisi14f702d5]

So in your opinion, your CPU is able to work with any amount of memory at any speed.
Sorry but you're wrong.

but considering what you said, then it is characterized with misleading advertising the statement that MSI makes on the website that its MB works at higher speeds on certain Ryzen processors including the 5800x.

 

[darkhawk]

Several BIOS update manufacturers have managed to make 4x16GB or 4x32GB work at speeds of 3600+: 3733, 4000 etc.

What MSI lacks is to be faster at it.

Very easy to cherry pick and make generalizations. There's people out there running faster memory too on MSI.
Long story short....it's well known, especially for AMD systems, that more memory means slower speeds. We've seen it for 5 generations now (yes, they're actually at 5 generations....).
And it's true for almost any system, be it Intel or AMD. Intel seems to be much better at not needing to lower speeds, if I'm honest, but it still happens.
And nothing when it comes to memory is guaranteed. Even AMD doesn't guarantee those speeds. There's a reason for that.....they're be idiots to do it.
But just like you, most people don't get it. And will just randomly argue their points because "other people on other places say different" "some youtube video told me different"
If some youtube video told you that you'll live if you jump out of an airplane, would you believe that too?
Remus is well respected in this forum, for good reason. He's provided assistance many times, and has a great understanding of the memory subsystems.

 

[darkhawk]

but considering what you said, then it is characterized with misleading advertising the statement that MSI makes on the website that its MB works at higher speeds on certain Ryzen processors including the 5800x.
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No, it's not. Only idiots would think that. Remus even made that clear.....the motherboard doesn't dictate memory speed. How many times do we have to say that for you to understand that?


What's misleading is when someone clearly doesn't understand the technology and tries to make irrelevant arguments.

 

[RemusM]

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"Motherboard is capable of 128GB at 4400MHz" does NOT mean "your CPU is capable of 128GB at 4400MHz"
Are you capable to understand that?

 

[lulafisi14f702d5]

"Motherboard is capable of 128GB at 4400MHz" does NOT mean "your CPU is capable of 128GB at 4400MHz"
Are you capable to understand that?

As other systems said after updating the BIOS they succeeded. Wait for the next BIOS.

But if the limitation were on the CPU it wouldn't work with 2x16GB in 3733 or even 2x32GB. In research it is clear that after setups and BIOS updates they succeeded. Now compared to the subject of jumping from an airplane, I disregard that. Excuse me. Are you capable to understand that?
So far I have only read rhetoric.

 

[lulafisi14f702d5]

No, it's not. Only idiots would think that. Remus even made that clear.....the motherboard doesn't dictate memory speed. How many times do we have to say that for you to understand that?


What's misleading is when someone clearly doesn't understand the technology and tries to make irrelevant arguments.

Sorry I didn't offend anyone, and when I get offended I prefer not to talk to people like that. So sorry, keep your offenses to yourself.

 

[lulafisi14f702d5]

having a global moderator calling a user an idiot, already demonstrates the level of the person and the choice of moderators.

 

[RemusM]

As other systems said after updating the BIOS they succeeded. Wait for the next BIOS.

A BIOS update cannot make your CPU better.

Here is a simple question for all the juniors unable to understand the basics here:
Are all the people on this planet able to run at the same speed?

 

[quellcor150e02d4]

Is the crucial ballistix compatible/ anyone used it on B550/x570 mobos?
Theres nothing on memory compability list for those mobos for crucial ballistix

BL2K16G36C16U4B

I don't know if this is still of relevance to anybody but i have the bigger 64GB kit running in an MSI MEG X570 UNIFY.
Crucial Ballistix 64GB Kit (2 x 32GB) DDR4-3600 Desktop Gaming Memory (Black) Product ID BL2K32G36C16U4B
It's working fine with XMP-Profile at the rated 3600 Speed once i overvolted a tiny bit. They are supposed to work at 1.35V but i had to set it to 1.37V which results in close to 1.40V according to Bios. For whatever reason just using the XMP-Profile for DDR4-3600 resulted in very relaxed timings for trc and trfc way below spec, therefor i ended locking a handful of timings in manually but only to match Specification.

A quick try pushing the Infinity Fabric and Memory in sync just past 1800 to 1833 was unsuccessful, but then again i didn't try very hard, i am not even sure if the Fabric or the Memory Clock was limiting, maybe a bump for the SOC Voltage or the Ram Voltage would have helped already.
MICRON offers a tool for it's Ram called MOD which is pretty much useless for this RAM but it gives you a couple more XMP-Profiles up to DDR4-5200 to look at. I have not seen them with any other tool, these might be good numbers to try manually in case you are going for speeds beyond the DDR-3600.


Regards,
Quellcore

 

[andre.ifg]

Hello, how are you? I have an MSI X570 Gaming Plus with a Ryzen 5600X and two Corsair LPX memory sticks (16GB x 2). At the moment I can leave these memories at 3733Mhz but FCLK above 1800Mhz gives me several WHEA errors. I'm using bios 7C37vAC3 (Beta version) with AGESA 1.1.9.0. Shouldn't that bios supposedly fix that? Or is the problem something else?

 

[darkhawk]

having a global moderator calling a user an idiot, already demonstrates the level of the person and the choice of moderators.

We've explained it multiple times, multiple ways.

Having users that refuse to believe common logic already demonstrates the level of person that user actually is when it comes to understanding the hardware they're trying to use and that users ability to have a level headed conversation about the facts surrounding it.

Denial of a simple concept won't suddenly make what you believe true. You're welcome to believe whatever you want, but the rest of us here? We'll stick to the facts and common logic.....Neither of which you seem to be displaying anymore.

 

[darkhawk]

Hello, how are you? I have an MSI X570 Gaming Plus with a Ryzen 5600X and two Corsair LPX memory sticks (16GB x 2). At the moment I can leave these memories at 3733Mhz but FCLK above 1800Mhz gives me several WHEA errors. I'm using bios 7C37vAC3 (Beta version) with AGESA 1.1.9.0. Shouldn't that bios supposedly fix that? Or is the problem something else?

It was.....but sadly, AMD still seems to be having issues (go figure).
Supposedly the 1.2.0.0 AGESA based bios's should help improve or solve this issue......

 

[chris15bd02ee]

Hello, how are you? I have an MSI X570 Gaming Plus with a Ryzen 5600X and two Corsair LPX memory sticks (16GB x 2). At the moment I can leave these memories at 3733Mhz but FCLK above 1800Mhz gives me several WHEA errors. I'm using bios 7C37vAC3 (Beta version) with AGESA 1.1.9.0. Shouldn't that bios supposedly fix that? Or is the problem something else?

Why is your UCLK at 900?

 

[lulafisi14f702d5]

A BIOS update cannot make your CPU better.

Here is a simple question for all the juniors unable to understand the basics here:
Are all the people on this planet able to run at the same speed?

So the limit is the CPU? You need to warn people who use other MB because they may not know it. Hard to understand ?LOL

 

[lulafisi14f702d5]

We've explained it multiple times, multiple ways.

Having users that refuse to believe common logic already demonstrates the level of person that user actually is when it comes to understanding the hardware they're trying to use and that users ability to have a level headed conversation about the facts surrounding it.

Denial of a simple concept won't suddenly make what you believe true. You're welcome to believe whatever you want, but the rest of us here? We'll stick to the facts and common logic.....Neither of which you seem to be displaying anymore.

For u too. My Best Global Moderator. PS: MB Asus not MSI

 

[RemusM]

So the limit is the CPU? You need to warn people who use other MB because they may not know it. Hard to understand ?LOL
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You don't understand the basics and you continue to argue.
Please stop!

 

[lulafisi14f702d5]

You don't understand the basics and you continue to argue.
Please stop!

accepts that it hurts less.

 

[darkhawk]

accepts that it hurts less.

I'm done with the gaslighting and trolling. Much less posting non-msi related content. Both of which are very much against the rules.
I'd suggest not coming back in 30, but knowing your kind the way I do, you will. For a day......

Lastly, so you show a picture of an Asus board running at 4000 MHz.....Guess what? https://www.eteknix.com/corsair-vengeance-memory-hits-5000-mhz-on-amd-ryzen-cpus/
Gee....why can the MSI board hit 5000 but the Asus board can't? Maybe Asus's boards just aren't up to the task.....
Then there's :

with an X570 Tomahawk at 5000 MHz. An actual user doing it himself.

I can cherry pick examples to show you something that doesn't fit your argument too, like tons of users that are unable to go past 3200 MHz for various reasons right now.
But here's the thing, it does fit what we've been saying. We've been constantly saying that the memory speed is highly dependent on the CPU's IMC and the quality of it, not the motherboard (as you've constantly suggested, and I've disproven with the link showing an MSI board MUCH faster than that Asus pic you're showing.....). Some CPU's will be of much better quality and will gladly clock much higher than others that are of a lower quality. If EVERY SINGLE CPU that AMD produced could hit speeds higher than 3200 MHz, don't you think AMD would guarantee speeds that are much higher? Just to show up Intel? I certainly would......it would easily be bragging rights. But that's just it. They CAN'T guarantee every CPU can, and that's why the specs for the latest generation of Ryzen chips are only 3200 MHz. Otherwise they'd have darn near every computer builder doing an RMA on their CPU's that can hit faster than 3200 MHz. And it would be valid and legal because it couldn't hit the advertised speeds.

We can't help your lack of understanding of the problem. It's clear you're 1 of 2 things, 1. an idiot, or 2. a troll. I'm going with #2. And if I see this happening again with you in 30 days, I'll make it permanent.

 

[andre.ifg]

Why is your UCLK at 900?

This Beta bios I'm using has a lot of Bugs, and maybe this is one of them. The UCLK is at half the memory frequency if the memory is at 3733 and the FCLK is at 1800. For the UCLK to be correct, the FCLK has to hit the exact memory, for example, if I leave at 3733 with FLCK in 1867. As I have these problems in these bios, I decided to leave the memory at 3600 with FLCK in 1800 and UCLk in 1800. This way it is correct.

 

[quellcor150e02d4]

...At the moment I can leave these memories at 3733Mhz but FCLK above 1800Mhz gives me several WHEA errors. I'm using bios 7C37vAC3 (Beta version) with AGESA 1.1.9.0.

Since i also had problems getting the Infinity Fabric Clock FCLK past the 1800 i figured i try a little harder and did plenty of experimenting over the last days. I noticed the same WHEA errors at first, too. What helped me (and and others according to reports from other forums) raising the SOC Voltage over 1.15V helped me to completely eliminate the WHEA errors. I also adjusted the NB Loadline Calibration to avoid dropping the SOC Voltage under Load, but i don't know if that was necessary.

In your ZenTimings Screenshot i noticed your Ram Voltage being on the low side as well, i would have guessed that it would take at least over 1.36V to get to DDR4-3733?

Regards,
Quellcore