an official bios release for Ryzen 3000 series (Zen 2) for MSI X470 Gaming M7 AC

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Right now there is only a beta v. 1.94 available for this board for Zen 2 Ryzen 3000 series cpus. I do not feel comfortable using a beta bios for a brand new cpu. Is there a likelihood an official bios release will be available before Ryzen 3000 cpus are released on July 7th ?
 

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There's a newer version strangely enough named 190. It uses GSE-Lite and some peeps don't like the reduced and more basic appearance.
Here's the text contents.

1. This is AMI BIOS release
2. This BIOS fixes the following problem of the previous version:
-  Update AMD ComboPI1.0.0.3
-  Support GSE-Lite mode.

I would suspect they've added more cpu code than the 194 version and there isn't room so have scaled back the appearance.
 

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I dont know why they just dont remove the 1st edition Ryzens from support and put a warning out that if you have a 1xxx series CPU, it wont work anymore after flashing the bios.........X570 doesnt support 1xxx CPU's. people are going to flash this bios for 3xxx support anyway so why even have 1xxx support in it, and theres the space they need.

Whats going to happen when the new CPUs come out again next year, RyZen 4000, how are they going to add those if they cant get 3000 support to fit in the bios now.
 

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jamin280672 date=1562389584 said:
I dont know why they just dont remove the 1st edition Ryzens from support and put a warning out that if you have a 1xxx series CPU, it wont work anymore after flashing the bios.........X570 doesnt support 1xxx CPU's. people are going to flash this bios for 3xxx support anyway so why even have 1xxx support in it, and theres the space they need.

Whats going to happen when the new CPUs come out again next year, RyZen 4000, how are they going to add those if they cant get 3000 support to fit in the bios now.
My best guess?
Maybe a certain manufacturer won't allow them to do that. (aka AMD)
Everyone just assumes that MSI (or any other OEM) can do whatever they please.....but that's not really the case most of the time.....

Personally....I don't see this as entirely MSI's fault. AMD really needs to be drug out into the streets and shot for how they've been handling their products since Ryzen came out.....it's worse than MSI's own marketing team (which I think is pretty horrible).

Conversely....Intel doesn't have these issues.....they don't try to support 4 or 5 revisions of chips on each board (Ryzen 1xxx, Ryzen APU 1xxx, Ryzen 2xxx, Ryzen APU 2xxx, Ryzen 3xxx....). They keep it to 2, possibly 3. Just something to think about as well.
 

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darkhawk date=1562531248 said:
My best guess?
Maybe a certain manufacturer won't allow them to do that. (aka AMD)
Everyone just assumes that MSI (or any other OEM) can do whatever they please.....but that's not really the case most of the time.....

Personally....I don't see this as entirely MSI's fault. AMD really needs to be drug out into the streets and shot for how they've been handling their products since Ryzen came out.....it's worse than MSI's own marketing team (which I think is pretty horrible).

Conversely....Intel doesn't have these issues.....they don't try to support 4 or 5 revisions of chips on each board (Ryzen 1xxx, Ryzen APU 1xxx, Ryzen 2xxx, Ryzen APU 2xxx, Ryzen 3xxx....). They keep it to 2, possibly 3. Just something to think about as well.
  You do make some good points, but these two are overiding. AMF issues more bios requirements because they know their customers do not want to have to upgrade their motyherboards every other year. The second even more important point it is about time that board manufacturers increase the capacity of their bios chips. 16NB seems awfully cheap and inadequate. Now I know this industry wide not just MSI. It would be nice from a competitive standpoint if MSI exercised some market leadership by showing up Asus , Gigabyte, and Asrock by doubling their bios capacity. I think people would give MSI kudos for such a move. Just a positive suggestion, not a criticism.
 

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imwechs date=1563603998 said:
 You do make some good points, but these two are overiding. AMF issues more bios requirements because they know their customers do not want to have to upgrade their motyherboards every other year. The second even more important point it is about time that board manufacturers increase the capacity of their bios chips. 16NB seems awfully cheap and inadequate. Now I know this industry wide not just MSI. It would be nice from a competitive standpoint if MSI exercised some market leadership by showing up Asus , Gigabyte, and Asrock by doubling their bios capacity. I think people would give MSI kudos for such a move. Just a positive suggestion, not a criticism.
I won't disagree about the BIOS chip size. I was honestly slightly surprised MSI used such small ones, and the price difference (as someone who is an electrical engineer and deals with parts like these for my 'real job') is pretty negligible.

That being said, I still don't remove AMD entirely from blame here. AMD's hardware is surprisingly good. But their BIOS and support to OEM's? You'd think they're on Mar's developing this stuff, that's how far out of touch they are. At least from what I know. In reality it could be much worse.

Either way, I'm easily an Intel fan, and I can say I'm jealous of the hardware, but the software/bios/support is entirely what keeps me away from the product.
 
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