B650 Tomahawk - extremely slow boot times with the latest bios update (7D75v134 / 1.0.0.5)

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Hello, I have the MB msi mpg B650 EDGE WIFI
With DDR5 memory: gskill tridentz5 Neo
Turning EXPO ON lead me on problems. Sometimes it boot (1 minute boot vs 20 seconds with NO expo), sometimes not.
When it boot, expo seems actived, and I have no problems playing games.
I update every bios launched the last 4 months and nothing, same problem every bios.
I guess the MotherBoard is the problem. Should I claim the guarantee?

Memory at stock settings, if I lower anything, just a little, like mhz, or voltaje, lead me again on boot problems. SO any change to memory, is a problem. Not only expo. Just for boot.
 
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MSI MAG B650 Tomahawk WiFi updated to BIOS 1.70 from 1.60.
System spec: CPU, 7600x, 32GB DDR5 rated at 5600mhz.

This Expo problem is still apparent in the latest bios! From a cold boot with expo on I'm lucky to get into windows in under a minute. From a cold boot with expo off I'm in windows in about 10-15 seconds. On top of that I'm getting random USB port problems. Looking back through this thread AM5 has been a problem with MSI's boards for a while. I think I'll return this board as it's not working as intended.
 
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woyogi31015b702e5 said:
Is their a reason why MSI don't set it as enabled by default if it fixes the issue? Some sort of downside to enabling it?
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If enabled some RAM kits will go into constant BSOD as it not work with all RAM
 
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woyogi31015b702e5 said:
Is their a reason why MSI don't set it as enabled by default if it fixes the issue? Some sort of downside to enabling it?
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If it's enabled you will get BSOD when there is any memory related changes like the BIOS settings or windows update or even room temperature.
Some sensitive ram kits may always fail.
 
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chris.west19915dd02ef said:
Just built a new system using this board. Spent the entire weekend optimizing and troubleshooting. Initial boot times were reaching 2 minutes sometimes and were never less than a 1:30.

BIOS: 7D75v17
Ram: G. skill Ripjaws S5 Cl30 6000 (XMP version of flare x5)
A-XMP: ON 6000 MHz
Power Down Enable: Enabled
Memory Context Restore: Enabled
DDR5 Nitro Mode: Enabled
DDR5 Robust Training mode: Enabled

these settings reduced the boot time from over a minute and a half to 17 seconds from the time I press the power button to the windows homescreen. I was even able to optimize my ram timings to be significantly tigher than XMP without issue.

the interesting thing is that DDR5 Nitro mode actually reduces boot time. In the bios it warns that this setting should increase boot time but improve stability with ram over 6000 MHz. However, with power down enable and memory context restore only I was still waiting around 40 seconds. Nitro mode was a significant improvement
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Thanks for the information.

These settings managed to resolve the issue for my system.

It's has Ryzen 7800X3D paired with 32GB DDR5 6000 G Skill memory kit.

Running bios version 7D75v17.

Originally without these setting, the computer does not even reliably boot after shut down, it will just show nothing on screen. Needed to be shut down and restarted again once or twice before it even stated displaying anything. Even when it does show something, it takes a minute or two to even begin loading into windows. Disabling expo resolved this issue.

Now I can finally boot under 15 seconds with Expo after enabling those settings you mentioned.
 
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MSI B650 Tomhawk here, with of course AM5 and DDR5, and BIOS 1.70. I have activated the EXPO with profile for 5600 MHz but the system will not boot (CPU led red, DRAM led yellow). I must flash the bios with the CMOS reset jumper and turn on the 5200 MHz profile, now it runs but the boot is very slow.

For MSI I should update the BIOS with the last Beta version but I don't like beta things... Someone can tell me if the new version (beta) can, at least, solve the boot issue?
 
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People, Im into pcs since 1985(10 years old).
Samsung DDR5 memory is reaaaalllly bad.
I have seen 12900k intel with DDR% Corsair-Samsung memory going completely foul.

Go for Hynix DDR5 and you wont be mistaken.

Try one set from your friends/colleagues and I believe you have taken the correct path.

My 2 cents lads.
 
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I have updated the BIOS to the last beta version. Task manager says a BIOS boot update between 16-22 second, (for me is more near 25-27 sec) but from when I made a reboot I must wait near 80-90 seconds to the Win11 desktop.
 
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giordano.settim15c102df said:
I have updated the BIOS to the last beta version. Task manager says a BIOS boot update between 16-22 second, (for me is more near 25-27 sec) but from when I made a reboot I must wait near 80-90 seconds to the Win11 desktop.
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Yes reboot is somewhat slower for some reason
 
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Yes, everything the same as with previous bios, 7D75v1A1(Beta version)
 
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AGESA ComboPI is updated to 1.0.9.0, otherwise it is the same as 1.0.8.0 (according to "AM5 SMU Checker 0.5-0.6").

AM5 SMU Checker v0.5
Code: 
https://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/threads/am5-agesa-uefi-bios-info-laberthread.1323294/
->
Code: 
https://www.mediafire.com/file/1dfxru96shgdxmu/AM5_SMU_Checker_v0.5.zip/file
->
Code: 
https://filehorst.de/download.php?file=ebcxFxlp

AM5 SMU Checker v0.6
Code: 
https://www.guru3d.com/story/asrock-releases-uefi-firmware-update-for-am5-motherboards-with-amd-agesa-1100-microcode/
->
Code: 
https://www.mediafire.com/file/xtd2f4xj2egwgzd/AM5_SMU_Checker_v0.6.zip/file
btw, ASRock Released UEFI Firmware Update for AM5 Motherboards with AMD AGESA 1.1.0.0 Microcode, so MSI is late


AMI BIOS, 7D75v1A, 2023-11-08, 11.52 MB
U E F I I N F O
File: E7D75AMS.1A0
Size: 32.768 KB
AGESA: ComboAM5PI 1.0.9.0

Chipset Version/FW: A0.01.82 | FW3328A | 2023.08.24 | (129 KB)
Chipset Version/FW: A0.01.82 | FW3328A | 2023.08.24 | (129 KB)

S Y S T E M M A N A G E M E N T U N I T [ S M U ]
Version Size CPU/APU Family Offset
84.79.223 (133 KB) Raphael (RPL) 7xx0 CPU [000DC800-000FDB50]
84.79.223 (133 KB) Raphael (RPL) 7xx0 CPU [005AC800-005CDB50]
76.69.0 (114 KB) Phoenix (PHX) 7xxx APU [00831C00-0084E230]
76.69.0 ( 77 KB) Phoenix (PHX) 7xxx APU [008B3500-008C6860]
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AMI BIOS, 7D75v1A1(Beta version), 2023-10-17, 11.49 MB
U E F I I N F O
File: E7D75AMS.1A1
Size: 32.768 KB
AGESA: ComboAM5PI 1.0.8.0

Chipset Version/FW: A0.01.82 | FW3328A | 2023.04.25 | (129 KB)
Chipset Version/FW: A0.01.82 | FW3328A | 2023.04.25 | (129 KB)

S Y S T E M M A N A G E M E N T U N I T [ S M U ]
Version Size CPU/APU Family Offset
84.79.223 (133 KB) Raphael (RPL) 7xx0 CPU [000DC800-000FDB50]
84.79.223 (133 KB) Raphael (RPL) 7xx0 CPU [005AC800-005CDB50]
76.66.0 (113 KB) Phoenix (PHX) 7xxx APU [00831C00-0084DF00]
76.66.0 ( 76 KB) Phoenix (PHX) 7xxx APU [008B3500-008C65B0]
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Here is SS output from AM5 SMU Checker
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