Beta Bios on LiveUpdate?

RavenMaster

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Why don't MSI put Beta BIOS on LiveUpdate? I mean heck they already a massive warning up there for official BIOS saying 'try at your own risk.' Beta BIOS are no less risky. Some even work better than official BIOS. So why not put them up there so people can auto-flash instead of having to prepare a USB stick? Would make things easier.  :undecided:
 
you will find no regular here advising any one to use live update

beta or normal

its resonsible for to many dead boards
 
We're all users here...just like it states at the top of each and every forum page. MSI almost never comes here and reads, much less posts.  Updating within the Windows environment, be it Live update, a third party utility or another manufacturers utility on their boards, is too risky. No matter what board maker, my advise would be the same, "Do not flash a MOBO's bios within windows!" 

Also, a BIOS is not a driver and should only be flashed when necessary.
 
I've previously owned 3 Foxconn motherboards before this MSI Eclipse and i always used their utility to flash bios within windows. Was never a problem and VERY easy to use. And they kept older bios archived so people could roll-back incase the new ones didn't work as well as the older bios.

Only reason i went MSI for an X58 build is because they have a good layout on the motherboard where u can place 3 GPU's on the board AND a soundcard at the same time. MSI has good hardware but the software is quite poor atm. A lot fo ppl who have updated to beta bios on the eclipse say that a lot of problems have been solved. So it would be nice to see some beta bios on the liveupdate.
 
Beta BIOS is just that, a :beta: not ready for full public release. Thats why they don't appear on LiveUpdate.

Time and time again we say this, don't flash your BIOS for fun! If all is well, leave it alone, its not a driver! Just because a new version is available, doesn't mean your current one is obsolete or will stop working.

If you need a beta BIOS, you should obtain it from MSI (http://ocss.msi.com.tw) but they will only provide if they believe it will fix a particular issue you are having.
 
I've flashed(all for legitimate reasons) with LU 3x on my 865 board and never had an issue, but I still won't recommend using LU, or any other system that flashes within the Windows environment(btw, the 4th time with that board I used a FDD and flashed from the RAM drive as the Forum flash utility had not been developed yet).  Any flashing for my X38 or my Wind, has been done with the Forum's flashing USB flashing tool.
 
Stu said:
Beta BIOS is just that, a :beta: not ready for full public release. Thats why they don't appear on LiveUpdate.

Time and time again we say this, don't flash your BIOS for fun! If all is well, leave it alone, its not a driver! Just because a new version is available, doesn't mean your current one is obsolete or will stop working.

If you need a beta BIOS, you should obtain it from MSI (http://ocss.msi.com.tw) but they will only provide if they believe it will fix a particular issue you are having.

As if i'd flash BIOS just for fun. That is absurd! If i flash BIOS i flash because some part of the hardware is not working correctly or because it is giving an incorrect value for some of my other components. BIOS 1.2 IS giving incorrect values when for my Core i7 940's QPI settings when optimal defaults are loaded. I had to manually adjust the QPI. Also i can't run my RAM at stock settings (1333mhz 9-9-9-24) because when i plug in a USB device i get a BSOD. I have to run my ram @ 1066mhz (underclocking it) just i don't get BSOD's. So please, don't insult my inteligence by inferring i flash BIOS for fun!
 
The "don't flash for fun" advice was given to you as general advice, not to "insult" your "intelligence".

inferring

Until your last post, you have not mentioned anything about whether or not you are facing any particular problems that may require a BIOS Update.  You asked a rather general question about MSI Live Udate and did provide no information about your current system configuration or specific issues.  So, how can we know why you would consider a BIOS Update?  The "don't flash for fun" advice is a very good advice, and what follows from it is also:  "If there is a good reason for a BIOS Update because a BIOS related problem is suspected, it makes perfect sense to consider a BIOS Flash to solve that problem".  There is no reason to feel insulted in any way and there is no point in going down that road.

i always used their utility to flash bios within windows

Statistically speaking, the percentage of bad flashes is considerably higher when a BIOS Update is performed from within Windows.  This is not a manufacturer-specific thing, but a general fact.  The Windows flashing applications that are provided by different mainboard manufacturers are all utilizing the same AMI or AWARD Windows Flashing Utilities.  Because of that, there is no significant difference between the Windows flash tools of different manufacturers when it comes to the actual BIOS Flash. 

The inherent risk of any Windows based flash has more to do with the operating system and the layers of services, drivers, routines and background applications that may interfere with the programming routine, which remains one of the most critical software based operations that can be done on computer system.  That is why, you will not find anyone here that will tell you, "yes, go ahead and use Windows based flashers", and then consider that as good advice and still sleep well. If you really feel that you want to WIN-flash any BIOS of your choice, download the original AMI WinFlash Utility from the AMI-Site to have the full-featured version of the utility that MSI Live Update uses to program the BIOS Image to the Chip in the first place.  However, if the system freezes or shuts down during the flash, please do not get upset in here and do not get mad, if the first thing we will tell you will be "Well, we told you." 

I have used that utility many times in the past because I was too lazy to prepare other media for a DOS-Flash.  It worked okay most of the times, however, I temporarely rendered two different boards useless twice in the last 6 month, because the Windows programming routine crashed during the flash.  Statistically, this adds up to a 5% chance of disaster (based on the number of total flashes I performed with WinFlash whenever I was lazy).  That is too much to recommend Windows Flashers.  Never did I have any problem when flashing from DOS (robably >100 DOS based flashes in the last couple of years).

Also i can't run my RAM at stock settings (1333mhz 9-9-9-24) because when i plug in a USB device i get a BSOD. I have to run my ram @ 1066mhz (underclocking it) just i don't get BSOD's.

Keep in mind, that according to Intel's own specifications regarding the memory controller of the CPU, DDR3-1333 is not officially supported and already has to be considered as overclocking (regardless of the native specs of the memory modules in use).  Of course, overclocking/ compatibility problems can be compensated to a certain extend, but they do not depend on the BIOS alone. 

What memory modules are you using (brand/exact model name)?  Have you tried to increase the memory voltage level somewhat (+0.1V-0.115V)?
 
RavenMaster said:
As if i'd flash BIOS just for fun. That is absurd! If i flash BIOS i flash because some part of the hardware is not working correctly or because it is giving an incorrect value for some of my other components. BIOS 1.2 IS giving incorrect values when for my Core i7 940's QPI settings when optimal defaults are loaded. I had to manually adjust the QPI. Also i can't run my RAM at stock settings (1333mhz 9-9-9-24) because when i plug in a USB device i get a BSOD. I have to run my ram @ 1066mhz (underclocking it) just i don't get BSOD's. So please, don't insult my inteligence by inferring i flash BIOS for fun!



...and you provided this information in your earlier posts when?  Now you state why you wanted to flash, but that wasn't the crux of this thread.  Some people think they have to flash to the newest, even the newest beta, BIOSes. Without information, all we can do is gaze into our crystal ball.

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Besides, as Jack stated, it was a general statement, not an "insult" to your "intellegence."
 
I have actually posted my problems in other threads to no avail. Mechsner did try to help but his overclock suggestion didn't work as planned. I even started up a ticket with MSI to get a BIOS update and they gave me a link to the ftp server for a few days. Unfortunately MS-7520 folder had only text files in them at the time instead of a BIOS file.

@ Jack
I have tried raising the voltage on the ram a little but still got the BSODs. At stock settings my RAM is 1333mhz 9-9-9-24 (Corsair DD3 3x 2GB modules) @ 1.5 volts. The Eclipse mobo does actually set my RAM at those settings when 'optimal settings' is chosen. But like i say, if i boot up and let the ram run at 1333mhz i get BSODs when files a transfered via a USB device to my hard drive. So i lower the RAM to run at 1066 and i don't get any BSODs.

specs:

GTX285 (main gpu)
geForce 8600GT (dedicated physx)
Core i7 940 @ stock (2.93ghz)
3x 2GB Corsair DDR3 (1333mhz) RAM (underclocked to 1066)
2x 500GB Seagate HDD's in RAID 0
850w Coolermaster PSU
X-fi Titanium Fat1ty Pro
MSI X58 Eclipse

BTW, i previously ran my build on an EVGA X58 motherboard and that mobo managed to run my RAM at 1333mhz with no crashes or BSODs just fine. The only reason i RMA'd the EVGA X58 was because it made me choose between having two graphics cards or having one graphics card and my X-fi Titanium (the PCI-Ex1 slot was right under the main PCI-Ex16 slot so my GTX285 that takes 2 slot spaces completely covered the PCI-Ex1 soundcard slot). The MSI Eclipse has a PCI-Ex1 slot above all the graphics card slots so it works out better for me. If only i could get the RAM to run as well as it did on the EVGA board....
 
After looking at the Corsair Data Sheet, the marketing of their memory sticks is getting trickier. Truth be known, they are probably not true 1333, but 1066 chipped. Changing the Base Clock Switch to 166 & other related settings, should net the 1333 to run stable. As mechsner has said, memory multiplier 'rule of 8', has proven itself to work successfully.

Just to confirm, the RAM 'does' show running at 1333 with Base Clock at 133(default), & when optimized defaults is chosen?
 
HU16E said:
After looking at the Corsair Data Sheet, the marketing of their memory sticks is getting trickier. Truth be known, they are probably not true 1333, but 1066 chipped. Changing the Base Clock Switch to 166 & other related settings, should net the 1333 to run stable. As mechsner has said, memory multiplier 'rule of 8', has proven itself to work successfully.

Just to confirm, the RAM 'does' show running at 1333 with Base Clock at 133(default), & when optimized defaults is chosen?

Yes it does show running at 1333mhz even shows it in post that its running at 1333mhz when i choose optimal settings. Tried the multiplier rule of 8 and tried switching the base clock to 166 etc. Still got this damn problem with the USB's causing BSODs though. You guys got ur overclocks to work by using newer beta BIOS. I think my overclock wasn't stable coz im still using official bios 1.2. Hopefully MSI will have some new official BIOS soon.
 
LiveUpdate3 only detects 1.2 bios. Lousy. I can see the actual MSI website says 1.3 is online but as far as i can see there is no way to download it  :angryfire:
 
RavenMaster said:
LiveUpdate3 only detects 1.2 bios. Lousy. I can see the actual MSI website says 1.3 is online but as far as i can see there is no way to download it  :angryfire:

Any Update For This  ???
 
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