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I saw a post somewhere the other day that seemed to indicate that sometimes USB drives
come or get formatted in such a way that seem to be nonstandard somehow,and
this messes with bios flashing. It made me think back to the day when I was dev OS.
Floppy drives and hard drives have a major difference in that logical block 0 for hd has
an mbr and a partition table. Floppy drives go straight to the file system there is no partition table.
So how is this relevant? The PC is a thing of legacy. When CDs could be booted eventually
they just emulated a big floppy drive so that the code could be reused. USB drives seemed to
either way, with a partition table or not, but bios accessing files on a file system is a bit
of a stretch and they might not support every legacy thing that has ever existed.
The other poster seemed to think that the USB drive needed to have it partition table
cleaned and then make a new one and format it.
I also wanted to mention there are a bunch of sticky topics over at the Download Area
here about bios flashing and recovery.
 

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I saw a post somewhere the other day that seemed to indicate that sometimes USB drives
come or get formatted in such a way that seem to be nonstandard somehow,and
this messes with bios flashing. It made me think back to the day when I was dev OS.
Floppy drives and hard drives have a major difference in that logical block 0 for hd has
an mbr and a partition table. Floppy drives go straight to the file system there is no partition table.
So how is this relevant? The PC is a thing of legacy. When CDs could be booted eventually
they just emulated a big floppy drive so that the code could be reused. USB drives seemed to
either way, with a partition table or not, but bios accessing files on a file system is a bit
of a stretch and they might not support every legacy thing that has ever existed.
The other poster seemed to think that the USB drive needed to have it partition table
cleaned and then make a new one and format it.
I also wanted to mention there are a bunch of sticky topics over at the Download Area
here about bios flashing and recovery.
OP made the mistake of using NTFS which shockingly half worked. There should of been a warning that only fat32 is supported. It seems the driver for NTFS doesn't work correctly but MSI still have it in there unrestricted. Unfortunately the sticky topics over at the download area are mostly broken and outdated.
 

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OP made the mistake of using NTFS which shockingly half worked. There should of been a warning that only fat32 is supported. It seems the driver for NTFS doesn't work correctly but MSI still have it in there unrestricted. Unfortunately the sticky topics over at the download area are mostly broken and outdated.
That is true. Only a few little nuggets here and there.
I have read something about CTRL+HOME initiating the boot block recovery
for file AMIBOOT.ROM could also be MSI.ROM as an MSI board feature,
but the page is incomplete and links broken.
 
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Have you contacted MSI support?
Hi Laurence..
So I submitted my question in msi support.
They gave me a ticket number.. I think now zi just have to wait... Hope there was a way to initiate bios downgrade with the current bios I have in my usb drive.. I just cant believe there is no failsafe technique or tactic to downgrade...
 

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Do you have the non-MAX or MAX version?
The bios file nonmax is about 8mb
The bios file max is about 14mb
Did you lose support for older Zen+ cpu when bios was updated? hard to say for sure.
cpu lists dont show bios version numbers required

If all else fails there is something called boot block recovery method.
It used to work with floppy but has been updated for a fat32 usb drive.
The USB would have to be DOS bootable (freedos) and the old style flasher exe is used
with autoexec.bat file. Usually the boot block stays intact during a flash.
Hi..
Are you sure this method will work with the condition I have with my board.. my board only show cpu led light and nothing else happens. If you think the boot block method will work I would want to give that a try as well.. can you please share the correct method to create a dos-bootable usb..?
Thanks.
 

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Hi Laurence..
So I submitted my question in msi support.
They gave me a ticket number.. I think now zi just have to wait... Hope there was a way to initiate bios downgrade with the current bios I have in my usb drive.. I just cant believe there is no failsafe technique or tactic to downgrade...
Honestly I'm hoping they give you a new board, it depends.
 
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That is true. Only a few little nuggets here and there.
I have read something about CTRL+HOME initiating the boot block recovery
for file AMIBOOT.ROM could also be MSI.ROM as an MSI board feature,
but the page is incomplete and links broken.
So is there a way to create a dos-bootable usb flash drive to initiate bios flashing/downgrade..? I have been looking for this for quite some time now... The only thing I have is my android phone, and I found no way to make a bootable usb with android that could help my situation..
 
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They should respond via the web ticket system which is also linked into emails.
Hello laurence..
So MSI replied to my query two days back.. Told me to do a simple fix, which unfortunately didn't work for me.. then they told me to consult the retailer by whom I bought the board... Attached screenshots of their replies..
I still hope I can find a way to fix this at home... It seems Dos-bootable usb drive would probably work in this situation, but I don't have another system to create one... Is there any way I can create a dos-bootable usb with my Android..?
 

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Hello laurence..
So MSI replied to my query two days back.. Told me to do a simple fix, which unfortunately didn't work for me.. then they told me to consult the retailer by whom I bought the board... Attached screenshots of their replies..
I still hope I can find a way to fix this at home... It seems Dos-bootable usb drive would probably work in this situation, but I don't have another system to create one... Is there any way I can create a dos-bootable usb with my Android..?
No that wouldn't be something you could do easily. You really need another computer to do it. Its a shame msi wont help but i was afraid they might not. How long have you had the board? Right now it seems, you will need to seek out another computer to make the drive.
 
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No that wouldn't be something you could do easily. You really need another computer to do it. Its a shame msi wont help but i was afraid they might not. How long have you had the board? Right now it seems, you will need to seek out another computer to make the drive.
It's been two nearly two years since I bought it. Jan 2019 to be precise. it's Still in warranty I guess ..
Yes I was also afraid they might not help.. looking out for another system as well, to be able to make a bootable drive..
Hope for the best.. thanks for all the help🙂
 

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It's been two nearly two years since I bought it. Jan 2019 to be precise. it's Still in warranty I guess ..
Yes I was also afraid they might not help.. looking out for another system as well, to be able to make a bootable drive..
Hope for the best.. thanks for all the help🙂
Report back how it goes!
 
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Hello everyone..
Here is an update till my last post..

I have been constantly probing internet for a possible solution suitable for my case, but till now no luck.
There is something like dos-bootable drives which gives you the ability to flash a bios in dos env, given you have a compatible flasher and a rom in your usb at the moment.
Intel has a flasher called afudos.exe for intel based CPUs but I could not find any equivalent for MSI....
So before going to make a dos-bootable media I confirmed MSI about this.. and again I got an unsatisfactory answer.. attached screenshots..

I mean come'on, I bought a gaming board... Didn't expect I would go that short of options!!
 

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Hello everyone..
Here is an update till my last post..

I have been constantly probing internet for a possible solution suitable for my case, but till now no luck.
There is something like dos-bootable drives which gives you the ability to flash a bios in dos env, given you have a compatible flasher and a rom in your usb at the moment.
Intel has a flasher called afudos.exe for intel based CPUs but I could not find any equivalent for MSI....
So before going to make a dos-bootable media I confirmed MSI about this.. and again I got an unsatisfactory answer.. attached screenshots..

I mean come'on, I bought a gaming board... Didn't expect I would go that short of options!!
There used to be things like this back in the day. MSI use Ami bios as a base but I don't know if that sort of thing will work now.
https://forum-en.msi.com/faq/article/printer/howhow-to-recover-the-bios
https://www.bios-mods.com/bios-recovery/ami-bios-recovery/
https://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en/support/faq_content.php?S_ID=392
If all else fails you can buy new bios chips pre flashed.
 
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Thank you Laurence..
I will go through these and see if I get it working.
Will update.. but I must say I am kind of sad that some boards like mine don't have enough options to deal with a serious matter of bios corruption..
Msi plainly replies that my board does bot support such thing as dos mode flashing without any visual on the screen...
 
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