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What is the status of this update for CodexR 13NUC7-069US?
Thanks.
Steve
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Steve
BIOS Update For Intel Core 14th and 13th Gen Desktop Processor Instability
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Right now, nothing. https://us.msi.com/Desktop/Codex-R-13th/support?sku_id=94156
Mid-2023 BIOS version, and for the retail boards, the BIOSes including the latest Intel microcode 0x12B only came out October this year. So that pre-built PC is a year behind. You could try to find out which board model is used, seems like the PRO B760-VC WIFI according to their website, and then check here for an option to cross-flash it to the BIOS of the retail board.
Then you could optimize things further using my Guide: How to set good power limits in the BIOS and reduce the CPU power draw.
Mid-2023 BIOS version, and for the retail boards, the BIOSes including the latest Intel microcode 0x12B only came out October this year. So that pre-built PC is a year behind. You could try to find out which board model is used, seems like the PRO B760-VC WIFI according to their website, and then check here for an option to cross-flash it to the BIOS of the retail board.
Then you could optimize things further using my Guide: How to set good power limits in the BIOS and reduce the CPU power draw.
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Hey, I have a question:
I have this motherboard https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MPG-Z790-EDGE-WIFI/support
and I'm not sure which Firmware/BIOS do I download and install for this Intel Core 13th/14th Gen Desktop Processor instability concern. Can you help me please?
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Hello again,
Just a FYI; after flashing the BIOS and selecting the middle option MSI Performance Settings, I noticed a performance hit on a few of my games. I didn't even change anything after selecting that option. I reverted the change for now.
I don't know what to do because my CPU does this, but rarely:
What do I do? I'm worried.
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Setting good power limits is only step 1). In step 2) you tend to gain back some performance, because you lower the voltages (and thus the power draw) per frequency, so the CPU will have more of the power and thermal budget to play with, so to speak.
Your cooler is not that well-equipped to deal with a 13900K, by the looks of it, because you get thermal throttling at around 185W peak "CPU Package Power". Now, i don't know which scenario you took the screenshot under, if it was gaming load, or a Cinebench R23/R24 run. For gaming load, whatever GPU you may have might also cause a bit higher temperatures in general, because of the additional heat dumped into the case, and the CPU power draw natively won't be >200W in gaming.
If, however, this was after a Cinebench run, then yeah, your cooler is on the weaker side for a 13900K. For that kind of CPU, you either need a high-end air cooler that can deal with a bit over 200W, or a 360mm AIO that can deal with ~250W worth of heat. I mean, seeing how you still have the 253W power limits in place here, it would be possible that the 307A current limit (that the "MSI Performance" preset should also apply) is interfering earlier than the power limits here. But on the other hand, we have enough red temperatures here for it to be pure thermal throttling. And when it's all limited to 185W because of thermal throttling, then the explanation is quite clear.
What you are seeing here is not the effect of selecting the "MSI Performance" preset, it's the effect of the latest BIOS version setting a way too high default setting for "CPU Lite Load", which is causing high voltages for the CPU, leading to high power draw and resulting in lots of heat, which leads the CPU to hit the power limits earlier than before (at lower frequencies), which is hurting performance. I talked about this more here: Explained: How the new BIOS versions are causing higher temperatures.
So the solution to everything is doing both steps of my guide. In step 2) you will set a lower mode for CPU Lite Load again (according to where your CPU is still stable), which reverses the effect you're getting at the moment.
Well, it's not the solution to everything, because you probably will have to set quite low power limits (low for this CPU model), because your cooling doesn't seem all that potent. But maybe you don't have the cooling set up properly yet. For that i would at least have to see more sensors, see what the fans are doing, you'd have to mention your cooling setup (cooler, fans, mounting positions), and maybe you can take a look at my fan curves guide.
So with the cooling as it is right now, having maybe 160-170W cooling ability before things get into the 90°C range, this would not be sufficient to extract the full performance from this 13th gen i9, not even with a lowered mode for CPU Lite Load. You'd get pretty good performance, certainly for gaming which doesn't tax the CPU fully (only the GPU), but for any kind of demanding fully multithreaded load like rendering (which Cinebench does), you'd be a bit limited by this cooling performance, or slight lack thereof.
Your cooler is not that well-equipped to deal with a 13900K, by the looks of it, because you get thermal throttling at around 185W peak "CPU Package Power". Now, i don't know which scenario you took the screenshot under, if it was gaming load, or a Cinebench R23/R24 run. For gaming load, whatever GPU you may have might also cause a bit higher temperatures in general, because of the additional heat dumped into the case, and the CPU power draw natively won't be >200W in gaming.
If, however, this was after a Cinebench run, then yeah, your cooler is on the weaker side for a 13900K. For that kind of CPU, you either need a high-end air cooler that can deal with a bit over 200W, or a 360mm AIO that can deal with ~250W worth of heat. I mean, seeing how you still have the 253W power limits in place here, it would be possible that the 307A current limit (that the "MSI Performance" preset should also apply) is interfering earlier than the power limits here. But on the other hand, we have enough red temperatures here for it to be pure thermal throttling. And when it's all limited to 185W because of thermal throttling, then the explanation is quite clear.
What you are seeing here is not the effect of selecting the "MSI Performance" preset, it's the effect of the latest BIOS version setting a way too high default setting for "CPU Lite Load", which is causing high voltages for the CPU, leading to high power draw and resulting in lots of heat, which leads the CPU to hit the power limits earlier than before (at lower frequencies), which is hurting performance. I talked about this more here: Explained: How the new BIOS versions are causing higher temperatures.
So the solution to everything is doing both steps of my guide. In step 2) you will set a lower mode for CPU Lite Load again (according to where your CPU is still stable), which reverses the effect you're getting at the moment.
Well, it's not the solution to everything, because you probably will have to set quite low power limits (low for this CPU model), because your cooling doesn't seem all that potent. But maybe you don't have the cooling set up properly yet. For that i would at least have to see more sensors, see what the fans are doing, you'd have to mention your cooling setup (cooler, fans, mounting positions), and maybe you can take a look at my fan curves guide.
So with the cooling as it is right now, having maybe 160-170W cooling ability before things get into the 90°C range, this would not be sufficient to extract the full performance from this 13th gen i9, not even with a lowered mode for CPU Lite Load. You'd get pretty good performance, certainly for gaming which doesn't tax the CPU fully (only the GPU), but for any kind of demanding fully multithreaded load like rendering (which Cinebench does), you'd be a bit limited by this cooling performance, or slight lack thereof.