Bios Updates - MSI MAG Z790 TOMAHAWK WIFI (only DDR5)

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I'm starting a new topic with the idea of posting here any information regarding the BIOS update for the Msi Mag Z790 Tomahawk wifi DDR5 version. You can also share information about the stability, benefits, and issues of the update here.

A new version of the Bios has been released
7D91vH9
2023-11-08
Description:
- Updated CPU uCode.
- Updated Secure Boot mechanism.
- Updated OC Auto rules.
- P-core Beyond 6GHz+ feature optimized with i9 CPU.
- Intel APO function optimized.
- ME Firmware ver: ME_16.

Good luck ;)
 
Someone tried it and said their cinebench score is still lower and temps are still high, so you still gotta alter the settings in this new iteration.

I’m away on holiday now, but I’d love someone to test this. The older 0x129 version absolutely messed with my VIDs, VCORE and temps. Like, there was something seriously off with that version. I was tempted to roll back to a previous version…

WHY DONT MSI (or intel for that matter) PUBLISH SPEC SHEETS AND NOTES?????

Because that would be logical. Can't have that.
 
New bios
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I installed v.HD in BIOS today. I ran Cinebench r23 at the Intel default settings (CPU Lite Load level 16) and HWinfo revealed thermal throttling, with the CPU Package Power at 280+ watts.
I finally settled at CPU Lite Load level 11 with acceptable CPU temps (86C) and ~260 watts but the Cinebench score (30200) was more than 5K points lower than previous scores. I disabled IA CEP and IA CEP for Intel 14th Gen in the BIOS and the Cinebench score was 34,600ish. For my system, this is probably the best that I can expect.
System specs in signature.
 
I installed v.HD in BIOS today. I ran Cinebench r23 at the Intel default settings (CPU Lite Load level 16) and HWinfo revealed thermal throttling, with the CPU Package Power at 280+ watts.
I finally settled at CPU Lite Load level 11 with acceptable CPU temps (86C) and ~260 watts but the Cinebench score (30200) was more than 5K points lower than previous scores. I disabled IA CEP and IA CEP for Intel 14th Gen in the BIOS and the Cinebench score was 34,600ish. For my system, this is probably the best that I can expect.
System specs in signature.

Using Intel's default settings shouldn't the power be limited to 253 watts?
 
someone help! I updated to the latest bios 7D91vHD (non beta) and this is the result on cinebench r23. It was 30K before!! on beta!!

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I'm still on the latest beta bios with the 0X129 bios. Everything is working well so not sure I will upgrade to the stable version for a bit.

Any idea if there are a lot of changes between the previous betas and the stable?
 
someone help! I updated to the latest bios 7D91vHD (non beta) and this is the result on cinebench r23. It was 30K before!! on beta!!

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Which CPU Cooler preset are you using?

Make sure to manually set CEP to Disabled if you haven't tuned with CEP in mind. The new BIOS code has been known to switch the Auto setting from Disabled to Enabled as the default under certain conditions. Also, if the MSI BIOS works anything like the Gigabyte BIOS, then you may not be able to disable CEP when using the Intel Defaults CPU Cooler preset mode, even if you change it from Auto to Disabled [Although, others on this forum would know better in regards to whether this is a concern or not.]
Given the major drop in your score, that would be the logical first place to look. I'm not sure what else would cause that kind of performance loss unless you have set one of your manual settings incorrectly or forgotten about it, such as power limits, etc. I'd say double-check all your settings carefully, and after looking at the CEP setting.
 
Hi. Although I inform you about the next updates for the MSI MAG Z790 wifi, I must admit that I am still sitting on the recently updated bios from May 2024, i.e. 7D91vHC2 (Beta version). My son has mastered the computer and I have less time for it. I have a question for you. I received news that Intel has problems with 13th and 14th generation processors. I have an i7 14700K. My son claims that he has no problems with it. Is there a way to check if my processor has a problem? I will add that I currently have the MSI profile set, not Intel, i.e. MSI UNLIMITED SETTINGS 4096W, my fan curves, gear 6, memory overclocked from 6400 to 7200, and the voltage is still low, about 1.012V. Should I change the bios to a newer one? Previously, in cinebench R23 I had over 35,500 points. Leave it on the MSI profile or should it be on another Intel Default 253W or Intel Extreme 253W. Thanks in advance because I'm currently behind. Best regards.
 
Let me explain briefly. The processors of generation 13 and 14 (K or non-K) have some stability problems that seem to be related to poor voltage control. These are very high voltage spikes that can happen even with the system in idle, but are more accentuated when the workload is high, such as when rendering a video or when compiling the shaders of a game. These voltage peaks cannot be seen with simple monitoring software, but require a very sensitive special device, as the peaks occur in milliseconds. Although Intel has not yet found the root problem, it has been released several microcodes that mitigate these stability problems. The latest microcode is 0x129. This microcode limit the voltage to be within a safe range, which appears to be 1.5V. However, this microcode has been optimized as you have seen in several BIOS updates.

Any CPU degrades over time, whether Intel or AMD. The problem with the 13th and 14th generation processors is that their degradation is faster. Even this degradation is greater the more powerful the CPU is (hence the main affected are the i9) and when the BIOS has very aggressive options, like unlimited power, turbo boost, etc. The CPU may only last a few months or a year, but there will come a time when it will no longer be functional. That is why Intel has extended the warranty on these CPUs (as long as they are retail versions or you do not have a laptop or a branded computer, whose warranty would depend on the manufacturer).

If your CPU becomes unstable it is because it has already reached a significant level of degradation and would need to be replaced. To check the stability of the CPU you can do several things (I recommend you to do these tests by disabling the XMP profile in the BIOS, as XMP can add more instability):
  • - Install an nVidia driver (if you have an nVidia graphics card): It seems that during the initial installation process this driver requires a lot of CPU. If your CPU is unstable, the driver will tell you that it cannot be installed or that an error has occurred.

  • - Running a last generation game: during the startup of these games, the shaders have to be compiled, which requires a very high CPU usage. If your CPU is unstable, the game will tell you that an error has occurred, the game will crash, or you will get the usual message that you don't have enough video memory. This last message caused a lot of confusion at first, as people thought the culprit was the graphics card when the culprit was the CPU.

  • - Rendering a video with programs such as Handbrake: during video rendering the CPU is used very intensively. If the CPU is unstable, you will get an error, the computer will restart or the program will stop responding.

  • - Use a computer performance test program, such as Cinebench or OCCT: if your CPU is unstable, you will get errors during CPU stress tests.

In addition to installing the latest BIOS version that includes the 0x129 microcode, it is important that in the BIOS you use Intel's default settings. This configuration will set the factory settings for the CPU, limiting the voltage, the power (the limit is 253w, not 4094w which is a nonsense), as well as other settings that forum users have described in several posts.
 
I installed a new 7D91vHD bios today. Previously I had a 7D91vHC2 (Beta version) and the computer was set up properly by me. I mean, it was running on the MSI unlimited profile, long and short set to 253W, IA CEP support and IA CEP Support for 14th were disabled. Additionally, CPU lite load on mode 6 (from 9, which was default) RAM from 6400 to 7200 in the performance profile. The computer configured in this way worked stably, even in prime95. It did not catch any errors and we did not notice any voltage spikes. In Cinebench R23 it achieved a result of over 35,000. After installing the latest 7D91vHD bios on the default Intel Default settings, the computer achieved about 33,000 points, which is over 2,000 points less. I played around with the settings a bit and it looks like I'll stick with this configuration:
MSI unlimited
Long/short at 253W
IA CEP disabled
CPU lite load Mode 6
Idle voltage around 1.012V
Surprisingly, after the cinebench R23 test, the result is high again, 35370 points with a maximum consumption of 278W and the maximum voltage is 1.347V at peak according to HwInfo. CPU temperature max 94 degrees Celsius and the computer did not record any thermal throttling. Interestingly, even on the Intel default 253W profile it showed that there was thermal throttling. I think I'll leave it as it is now.
 

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I’m just curious. What is your most common usage scenario for your PC, e.g. rendering videos, gaming, web browsing, office suite, etc.?
 
In that case, if you have time and curiosity, give this thread a read and see if it changes your mind about your configuration choices. If you read my opening post and Vassil_V’s case study and follow-up comment [linked in the second post], you might get a good grasp of the alternative configurations. You might be able to optimize for more of a gaming scenario by configuring around the concept of a manual undervolt (via Adaptive+Offset mode) as well as reducing high VID requests that can accelerate degradation. No pressure, though. If you like where you’re at, that‘s fine.

 
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I've tried it. All seems the same as before. There is a new VR Voltage limit (which was present on Gigabyte / Asus boards), but it seems to cap my core frequencies if I set a limit of 1.450v, so I'm leaving this disabled.
 
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