Display Port Functionality

[clarry15ef02e8]

Hi all,
We have a msi sword 15 laptop fitted with a geforce rtx3050 GPU.
We also have the AOC 34-inch curved screen monitor to go with it.
The usbc connector on the side of the lappy does NOT have the DP symbol so we've not been able to make use of the high speed DP functionality the monitor has.
So we've been using the HDMI port. However, the max frame rate is very limited on HDMI.
So...
The rtx 3050 gpu does support DP1.4. However, it appears that the internal lappy cabling to the usbc port routes to the motherboard and NOT to the rtx gpu. The onboard gpu does NOT support DP1.4 so therefore the external usbc connector is NOT DP 1.4 enabled.
Now my question...
Is it possible to reroute the internal lappy cabling so that the extrenal usbc port connector connects to the rtx3050 gpu instead of the inbuilt motherboard gpu?
If this would be possible then we should have DP1.4 functionality available at the usbc port and the AOC monitor should then work on DP1.4 instead of HDMI.
Does anyone know what kinda internal cabling we would need to achieve this, if indeed it is possible?

 

[badboy2k]

Hi all,
We have a msi sword 15 laptop fitted with a geforce rtx3050 GPU.
We also have the AOC 34-inch curved screen monitor to go with it.
The usbc connector on the side of the lappy does NOT have the DP symbol so we've not been able to make use of the high speed DP functionality the monitor has.
So we've been using the HDMI port. However, the max frame rate is very limited on HDMI.
So...
The rtx 3050 gpu does support DP1.4. However, it appears that the internal lappy cabling to the usbc port routes to the motherboard and NOT to the rtx gpu. The onboard gpu does NOT support DP1.4 so therefore the external usbc connector is NOT DP 1.4 enabled.
Now my question...
Is it possible to reroute the internal lappy cabling so that the extrenal usbc port connector connects to the rtx3050 gpu instead of the inbuilt motherboard gpu?
If this would be possible then we should have DP1.4 functionality available at the usbc port and the AOC monitor should then work on DP1.4 instead of HDMI.
Does anyone know what kinda internal cabling we would need to achieve this, if indeed it is possible?

no its not possible to do that. I'm Guessing you have an 11th Gen Sword 15 and that did not have any Display port on the USB-C but the 12th Gen ones did get that.

 

[clarry15ef02e8]

Yes that is correct.
But the rtx 3050 gpu has 3x DP connectors on it.
And our AOC monitor came with a DP to DP cable which we've never been able to use.
So if there's a way to add a DP to DP cable inside the lappy to get a DP connector on the outside of the lappy then we can make use of the supplied DP cable that came with the monitor.
Even if we had to replace the existing USBC connector with a DP connector that would do the trick, as we really don't need the USBC connection anyway.

 

[badboy2k]

Yes that is correct.
But the rtx 3050 gpu has 3x DP connectors on it.
And our AOC monitor came with a DP to DP cable which we've never been able to use.
So if there's a way to add a DP to DP cable inside the lappy to get a DP connector on the outside of the lappy then we can make use of the supplied DP cable that came with the monitor.
Even if we had to replace the existing USBC connector with a DP connector that would do the trick, as we really don't need the USBC connection anyway.

all that is routed to the USB-C Connectors on that is the normal USB3.2 Gen1 DATA Lines and there is nowhere on the Motherboard that has a connection to the Displayports at all. like i said its not possible due to how it was made as the GPU may have the Capability of having Display Port out but its not routed anywhere.

 

[darkhawk]

It's just not that 'simplistic' in nature.
To put it plainly, the laptop (everything but the GPU) doesn't support it. It's not like there's some special USB-C connector or something, or even a DP connector inside the laptop that you could try and use. It just isn't built into it (for whatever reason).

 

[clarry15ef02e8]

Yes I understand it's not routed anywhere in our lappy.
But I need to route the gpu DP signal to the outside edge of the laptop case.
So what I'm looking for is an internal laptop cable with a DP connector on one end that can plug into one of the Rtx gpu DP ports. And at the other end a panel mount DP connector to attach to the laptop side wall case.
If need be by replacing the existing usbc connector (which we have no use for) on the side of the laptop.
The gpu has the DP signal port we need already available. We just need to find a suitable way to get that signal to our AOC monitor and Bob's your uncle.

 

[badboy2k]

Yes I understand it's not routed anywhere in our lappy.
But I need to route the gpu DP signal to the outside edge of the laptop case.
So what I'm looking for is an internal laptop cable with a DP connector on one end that can plug into one of the Rtx gpu DP ports. And at the other end a panel mount DP connector to attach to the laptop side wall case.
If need be by replacing the existing usbc connector (which we have no use for) on the side of the laptop.
The gpu has the DP signal port we need already available. We just need to find a suitable way to get that signal to our AOC monitor and Bob's your uncle.

there are no Ports its a Microchip Chip that is a BGA part (Ball Grid Array) that is on the motherboard so you would have to Know exactly what pin is what and Route Matched Length Cables to a Display Port Mux Chip on a Dotta board to even be able to do that so you would need intimate Knowlegde of where to connect everything and the Exact length of each cable within a fraction of a mm to each other or it will Fail as all the Timing would be out of wack.

the GPU on a laptop is not like a Desktop Part that has ports its a Plain Micro Chip on the Motherboard and if the outputs are not Routed anywhere your 99.9% of the time out of luck you would need someone who is a specialist to be able to do that and find one of the Displayport Data Links and then route every single Cable to a Dotta board with that Display Port Mux Chip to act as a go between to even make the signal usable..

 

[clarry15ef02e8]

I'm not talking about mux-ing the DP signal into the usbc port functionality.
I'm talking about doing away with the usbc port altogether because wr actually are not using that port for anything at all in our gaming setup.
All I want to be able to do is to get my AOC gaming monitor to connect directly to one of the 3x DP connectors that are already present on the rtx 3050 gpu card.
To do this what I need is a flat DP ribbon extension cable that has on one end a panel mount DP connector. Then I can mount this connector in place of the existing usbc connector so afterwards the laptop no longer has any usbc port but a DP port in place of it.
If I can find the right flat ribbon cable then this must be do-able.
I have access to a local brilliant computer techo who can do this for me if we are able to find the right cable we can insert into the laptop.
I came to this forum in the hope of finding an MSI engineer who might know of the existence of such a cable. I'll keep searching because I believe that I'm not the first person to need such a cable. One must be out there somewhere. Just gotta find it.

 

[badboy2k]

I'm not talking about mux-ing the DP signal into the usbc port functionality.
I'm talking about doing away with the usbc port altogether because wr actually are not using that port for anything at all in our gaming setup.
All I want to be able to do is to get my AOC gaming monitor to connect directly to one of the 3x DP connectors that are already present on the rtx 3050 gpu card.
To do this what I need is a flat DP ribbon extension cable that has on one end a panel mount DP connector. Then I can mount this connector in place of the existing usbc connector so afterwards the laptop no longer has any usbc port but a DP port in place of it.
If I can find the right flat ribbon cable then this must be do-able.
I have access to a local brilliant computer techo who can do this for me if we are able to find the right cable we can insert into the laptop.
I came to this forum in the hope of finding an MSI engineer who might know of the existence of such a cable. I'll keep searching because I believe that I'm not the first person to need such a cable. One must be out there somewhere. Just gotta find it.

you have to have a MUX as its a Pure Data line even on a normal Graphics card it has a Decoder MUX that works as a go Between the GPU and the Screen have a look at any device port just behind them are a MUX chip that works as a go between so would be 100% needed (DP, HDMI, VGA they all have a MUX before the port as its needed to communicate and would be 10000% gibberish without one) as they all have a single Line MUX for that specific Connection Type.

i have told you so many times there is no Easy way to do that at all.

There is no Ribbon Connections you would have to pull the Connections Directly from the GPU itself as there is no Connectors at all.

 

[zipper.sippola]

There is no GPU card! The chip is soldered on to the main board!

 

[clarry15ef02e8]

Our laptop is fitted with a Nvidia GTX 3050 GPU. So it's not using the motherboard embedded GPU.
The HDMI port we are using currently comes directly from the 3050 HDMI connector.
If this was a desktop computer we are talking about then the HDMI and DP connections would be available directly on the GPU at the rear of the chassis.
I'm trying to achieve this very same connection, but because the GPU is a low profile laptop variant of the GPU the HDMI and DP connectors are buried inside the laptop.
I just need a cable to bring one of the DP connectors out to the outside of the laptop case.
It seems pretty simple to me as the 3050 GPU already has 3x DP connectors on it. I just need access to one of them.
The problem is finding a flat ribbon extension cable that can bring this connection out from the GPU to the outside world.

 

[badboy2k]

Our laptop is fitted with a Nvidia GTX 3050 GPU. So it's not using the motherboard embedded GPU.
The HDMI port we are using currently comes directly from the 3050 HDMI connector.
If this was a desktop computer we are talking about then the HDMI and DP connections would be available directly on the GPU at the rear of the chassis.
I'm trying to achieve this very same connection, but because the GPU is a low profile laptop variant of the GPU the HDMI and DP connectors are buried inside the laptop.
I just need a cable to bring one of the DP connectors out to the outside of the laptop case.
It seems pretty simple to me as the 3050 GPU already has 3x DP connectors on it. I just need access to one of them.
The problem is finding a flat ribbon extension cable that can bring this connection out from the GPU to the outside world.

NO again its not a Card of any Kind its a BGA Chip that is on the Motherboard itself surrounded by Memory Chips.

here show me where these connectors your expecting are Please show me as they do not Exist

so now tell me its easy as there it is for you to see. you would need to locate the Data Lines on the GPU itself and route them to a port its not Strait forward and your acting like i have no idea what i'm on about but infact its you who has no idea.

as you can see its a Chip on the Motherboard and on the Back is just a ton of Decoupling Capacitors under a Insulating sheet to stop them shorting out.

its not what your thinking as a Low Profile MMX Card no they have not been used now for a good 6+ Years by anyone as they where Phased out what your Dealing with is a BGA Chip on the Motherboard and you would need specialist help to rout the Signals Directly from the GPU to the Outside as usually higher end models they rout them out from the GPU Chip to ports but on yours its not done.

 

[c.win200102e0281]

NVIDIA Control Panel>3D Settings>Configure Surround, PhysX

The ports shown in the above location are the only ports available on your GPU without completely engineering your own, as described above...

 

[clarry15ef02e8]

Oh....
I offer a thousand apologies. I was not intending to imply that you guys did not know what you were talking about. It was just that my understanding of what was actually inside the laptop was different than reality.
Since a laptop variant of the RTX3050 GPU card indeed exists (or at least did once) I was always thinking that MSI had made use of such a card inside their laptop.
But now from your Motherboard (above) pic I can see that MSI have implemented the RTX3050 functionality as a BGA directly onto their motherboard.
The place we purchased the laptop from told us we could always upgrade the GPU later by simply upgrading the internal GPU card.
But this is not the case as no card exists inside this laptop at all. The computer shop has since closed down.
This is why I was so insistent that there were three DP connectors available on the GPU card.
But as you say with a BGA implementation no such connectors exist.
So now I see that we cannot do a future GPU upgrade as promised by the shop we bought it from.
And that I cannot do what I wanted to by extending the DP with a cable from the GPU card to an external DP connector on the side of the laptop.
As you said above "it's not a card of any kind."
I do thank you for your education and patience.
I stand corrected and apologise for my incorrect insistence.

 

[badboy2k]

Oh....
I offer a thousand apologies. I was not intending to imply that you guys did not know what you were talking about. It was just that my understanding of what was actually inside the laptop was different than reality.
Since a laptop variant of the RTX3050 GPU card indeed exists (or at least did once) I was always thinking that MSI had made use of such a card inside their laptop.
But now from your Motherboard (above) pic I can see that MSI have implemented the RTX3050 functionality as a BGA directly onto their motherboard.
The place we purchased the laptop from told us we could always upgrade the GPU later by simply upgrading the internal GPU card.
But this is not the case as no card exists inside this laptop at all. The computer shop has since closed down.
This is why I was so insistent that there were three DP connectors available on the GPU card.
But as you say with a BGA implementation no such connectors exist.
So now I see that we cannot do a future GPU upgrade as promised by the shop we bought it from.
And that I cannot do what I wanted to by extending the DP with a cable from the GPU card to an external DP connector on the side of the laptop.
As you said above "it's not a card of any kind."
I do thank you for your education and patience.
I stand corrected and apologise for my incorrect insistence.

the place you got it from really told you wrong information. last Laptops with a Replaceable GPU card in them that I can remember where high end laptops with the GTX 9xx Cards and after that all went to BGA Chips only to make them thinner and thinner as the MMX units meant that the laptop had to be at least a inch or so thick on the Base but everyone has been going thinner so its all now BGA chips only with them all on the Motherboard so its Impossible to upgrade them and the MMX units only tended to be used on the most Expensive units as they costed alot more so only the GT Series from MSI had them but the newer ones 12th and 13th gen now are all BGA too so no upgrade possible on even the high end stuff regarding the GPU.

 

[clarry15ef02e8]

Yes I fully understand what you've been trying to tell me all along now.
I'm so sorry for being so doggedly insistent about it.
And yes the place I got it mislead me into thinking it was upgradable. But they are no longer there so can't go back to correct them now either.
Def not so after this discussion.
Thanks again for your patience and understanding whilst I got this new info into my skull.

 

[badboy2k]

Yes I fully understand what you've been trying to tell me all along now.
I'm so sorry for being so doggedly insistent about it.
And yes the place I got it mislead me into thinking it was upgradable. But they are no longer there so can't go back to correct them now either.
Def not so after this discussion.
Thanks again for your patience and understanding whilst I got this new info into my skull.

no problem. at least you have actually found out what is in your Machine. it is silly with some of the models MSI made not Connecting the Outputs places which yours fell into.

 

[clarry15ef02e8]

Yes the technology to do what I've been trying to do would have been available to MSI to implement onto their gen11 motherboard. And for who knows why they chose not to.
As I understand it this is all now implemented in the gen12 machine no worries.

Having learned lots (thanks to your input here) since we bought this laptop the next iteration for our household will be to build our own desktop machine, possibly utilising an MSI motherboard, but ensuring it has USBC DP1.4a natively implemented. And of course, a stand-alone GPU physical card with multiple DP connections available as well. Many things to think about in such a project.