GE76 CPU 12th Gen Temperatures

[drek4]

The Ge7x or GE6x has too small cooling for its power. Too small radiators and fans. It should have bigger coolers and fans like older GE Models 62, 64, 73 for that much heat. Sure it would not be so small and had thin screen bezels, but it would perform better.

Yes I agree with you, but many prefer a thinner GE, that's why they released again the GT, for those that prefer thicker and more powerful laptops, with slightly better cooling.

 

[drek4]

Ok...I ended up not finding anything for fan control with win11, so I decided to leave it to the system without any app (no, MSI Center neither) and see if it can be ok.
By the way, I undervolted the beast (GE76, i9 12900HK, RTX3080) with this parameters and this results:
(PL1: 70 / PL2: 75 / Cpu core offset: -115 / P-E offset: -75) (no modifiers to clock, only different EPP and turbo on-off for different profiles).
Cineb. 30 results: multi 15.370 / single 19.292. Temperatures for CPU max 90-91 with Cine30 , and always under 90 in gaming.
No errors in TS bench, almost none thermal throttle until now, but power throttle costant (I think its inevitable......).
Any advice to improve, or should I leave it so?

Well if you don't want to lower the clocks, it will be difficult to improve on this, i9s are more difficult to tailor than i7s.

 

[manosc156102d5]

Perhaps should I try lower a bit PL1/PL2 to leave more power to the GPU......? I read some treads saying numbers over 50 goes detrimental in gaming framerate due to GPU not reaching its optimal.....

 

[drek4]

Perhaps should I try lower a bit PL1/PL2 to leave more power to the GPU......? I read some treads saying numbers over 50 goes detrimental in gaming framerate due to GPU not reaching its optimal.....

For i7 sure thing, i9, don't think so, most I see set it up at 60w or much more.
12th Gen use more power, when going below 65w, you start seeing the impact on i7, I think that would be worst on an i9!
i7 best is about 65/75w for CPU, but you can go as low as 45/50w, that would be best for GPU.
i9, just what I read from others...

 

[triples3r158c02d8]

from where did you manage to buy the GE76 with 12th gen processor? I want to order one asap but cant find it anywhere :/

Newegg. Had a few different vendors as well, one vender can put the liquid metal on ur cpu ( as it only comes with the hk cpu) I went step down on cpu from top and pair with 3080ti. I don't have any bottlenecks or anything. Figured down road I can get the other cpu when cost comes down. Got my laptop few months ago my self

 

[mpj19915b302e6]

I was thinking of changing the thermal paste on my msi katana 76 that I bought a month ago.
Which one do you recommend?
Because being a new laptop I have seen people who lower the temperature by putting new thermal paste?

 

[nesi156a02d2]

I was thinking of changing the thermal paste on my msi katana 76 that I bought a month ago.
Which one do you recommend?
Because being a new laptop I have seen people who lower the temperature by putting new thermal paste?

For CPU? SAFE option: "Honeywell PTM7950" NOT as safe: "Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut" (Liquid Metal)
For GPU any good regular thermal paste. Cooler Master, Thermal Grizzly, Arctic... are all good stuff.
I bought Kingpin KPX, but havent had a chance to try it, you use the same Honeywell PTM7950 also.

 

[gogottago]

Hi, everyone.


Glad I found this thread. I have a GE76 Raider (2022), 12900HK with severe throttling issues. I've owned it for 8 months now. The vendor I bought it from on Amazon already did a repaste (or maybe not, just to satisfy the RMA and shut me up).

Long story short, my benchmarks seem lower than where they need to be. I get 13,500-14,500 in Cinebench R23, where other reviews for my same model are getting 16,000.

I normally wouldn't care, but for a machine that costs $5,000 - it's unacceptable.

I'm interested in the Honeywell approach for the CPU. Does anyone know if it can also be applied to the GPU, and anything with thermal paste on it? Or is it solely for CPU application?

Thanks for the help.

 

[manosc156102d5]

Seems you have my same rig. As for default settings, it has constant thermal throttle when under pressure. I undervolted and changed PL sets, (see above, my other messages) and managed to limit this but at expense of almost constant power throttle. However, Cine30 results arent bad: multi 15.370 / single 19.292, and no more thermal problems.
As for the repaste, your rig should have the new phase change thermal pads, and I dont think you could find better....

 

[stormbody091150502d6]

Regrading the performance problem, the first thing to check is the related power setting.
Such as MSI Center (User Scenario), power mode from Power & battery.
You can use HWinfo to monitor temperature and power. If you find out temperature is high (over 95 degree) but the power is not enough, the problem might be casued by thermal.
At this case, it is recommended to send the laptop to the local service center to perform the re-psate.
If you use the third party thermal grease, the performance might be worst or cause the system unstable. It is recommended to use the same thermal grease from MSI.
Most well-known reviewer test MSI laptops which are bundled with the thermal grease from MSI. If they can get high benchmark result, I do not think you should use the third party thermal grease to reach the same result.

 

[___MRDAK___]

Before few weeks i buy GE 76 with i7 12700h and 3070 ti. After few games my cpu go to about 88 c max and gpu max about 84 c. After that i m opened and repaste with thermal grizzly paste my GPU and with t.grizzly liquid metal my CPU. Everything was fine, and i was be really careful. After that and after few days of playing games my temp is: (in my room is about 22-23c)

BF2042 - CPU - 70 - 76 c and GPU 72 - 78 c
GTA 5 - CPU - 72 - 78 c and GPU 74 - 76 c
RDR2 - CPU 76 - 80 c and GPU 76 - 78 c (cpu intensive game i think)

On idle my temps is CPU about 43-45c and GPU 40 - 43c

And everything work fine. I m think this is very good temps and my advice is to everyone who can and who know to put liquid temal on CPU. Notebook life will be much longer

 

[jmp21159002dd]

All, i found a workaround compromise! For those of you who want to lower the temps with the 12th gen. control panel> edit power plan> processor management > processor maximum state.

I reduced this value to 80% and the CPU was only able to draw about 87watts instead of 100+watts. Clock speed remained the same and constant at 4090mhz throughout CyberPunk. Maximum temperature it touched was 90C which is beautiful. I think I lost about 5fps doing this move but my temp went down from maximum 100C to 90C, average of 90C to like 80C.

I tried 85% and the max temp jumps to like 95C so, adjust it to what you feel comfortable with, I will continue to use 80% and see how that goes in different games and bump it up slowly.

Not sure if anyone posted before me here, but you sir need a large kudos headed your way.
Your dedication and insight into this have helped others surely, and it WILL help me. Once I choose a darn laptop soon enough!

Great work for posting your results, findings, and most of all, your precious time (knowledge)!

p.s. I have bookmarked your posts with great info & guides on how to lower the temps.

 

[jimhorne15d602ed]

Using XTU you simply go to advanced settings and lower your PL1 (A), and PL2 (B) values. I don't touch tau (C). Refer to my image for A-B-C lettering.

Which version of XTU are you using? The site tells me that i7 12700H are not compatible with latest version of XTU.
Thanks in advance

 

[bat-l15b602e7]

Which version of XTU are you using? The site tells me that i7 12700H are not compatible with latest version of XTU.
Thanks in advance

Yes, you cant use XTU with the i7-12700H. You can basically do nothing with that thing, if the performance cant keep up anymore, you can trash it.

Was very disappointed, considering I spent almost 4000 Dollar on the Laptop. I expected more freedom in how to use it.

 

[milkman7158602dd]

This is... A little upsetting.

30 year net/sysadmin and custom builder here. Of course I know how to apply thermal compound, but this GS77 12UHS we just bought is hitting 90-100c(p cores) during basic operation, such as windows updates, other installs, low-end games. No computer I've ever built, nor laptop I've purchased, has hit above 80c in any component during normal operation, and if this requires a "re paste", MSI will either be replacing this device now, or they will be doing the repaste for me.

I will NOT spend 3 grand on a last gen laptop that can't cool itself adequately, nor will I be cracking it open to fix their problem myself. Nor am I willing to reduce performance below stock - perhaps I'll be getting a refund if this machine is defective.

How can anyone take this seriously? You don't re paste a laptop CPU or GPU cooling system yourself when a vendor sells you a lemon... The OEM is responsible.

 

[bat-l15b602e7]

This is... A little upsetting.

30 year net/sysadmin and custom builder here. Of course I know how to apply thermal compound, but this GS77 12UHS we just bought is hitting 90-100c(p cores) during basic operation, such as windows updates, other installs, low-end games. No computer I've ever built, nor laptop I've purchased, has hit above 80c in any component during normal operation, and if this requires a "re paste", MSI will either be replacing this device now, or they will be doing the repaste for me.

I will NOT spend 3 grand on a last gen laptop that can't cool itself adequately, nor will I be cracking it open to fix their problem myself. Nor am I willing to reduce performance below stock - perhaps I'll be getting a refund if this machine is defective.

How can anyone take this seriously? You don't re paste a laptop CPU or GPU cooling system yourself when a vendor sells you a lemon... The OEM is responsible.

You buy chinese, you get chinese.

 

[milkman7158602dd]

You buy chinese, you get chinese.

Sorry, I wasnt here for racist garbage, thanks. I can point out similar quality control issues across most tech sectors, including notorious Apple and its melting, overheating, occasionally improperly grounded PSUs (so you get shocked when you touch the aluminum body), etc. Ive been doing this a long time - long enough to know you are a racist.

 

[bat-l15b602e7]

Sorry, I wasnt here for racist garbage, thanks. I can point out similar quality control issues across most tech sectors, including notorious Apple and its melting, overheating, occasionally improperly grounded PSUs (so you get shocked when you touch the aluminum body), etc. Ive been doing this a long time - long enough to know you are a racist.

China isnt a race. Chinese products are notorious for a lack of quality control and cheap materials - And that is exactly what you got, probably a model with missing / badly applied cooling paste and/or broken parts.

So you can contact MSI Support to fix it or return the device and buy a better brand.

 

[milkman7158602dd]

China isnt a race. Chinese products are notorious for a lack of quality control and cheap materials - And that is exactly what you got, probably a model with missing / badly applied cooling paste and/or broken parts.

So you can contact MSI Support to fix it or return the device and buy a better brand.

If there are no actual MSI support personnel watching the thread, it's common sense that I would create a ticket.

Maybe keep the racism in your private spaces where others don't have to see it, thanks. I'm well aware of industry-wide quality/support reputations from nearly every vendor you could think of, and I don't need your thoughts if they are polluted by grotesque nationalism or whatever it is that motivates you.

 

[___MRDAK___]

Bro, back to problem Here i dont see for now, no one from MSI support, first And second, Asus/MSI/Lenovo/Acer, i have all of this gaming lap tops for last 12 years and few of them was have bad temps/bad thermals and i must fix that by myself
Dont worry bro, if you have bill, just go in store and ask for another, or ask to repaste for you, or if you have experience, open lap top, buy some of best thermal paste and liquid metal and repaste all. I m sure 100% everything will be fine then