How do you think of my result?Be sure to test c23 multi, and post if coolerboost yes/no, temps avg max, TDP max avg, and score. I can add more data to the graph.
|No Cooler Boost|
1st questionis what was the multiscore with stock settings?How do you think of my result?
PL1 70W PL2 75W
No Cooler Boost Max TDP 75.0569 Average TDP 69.36484 Max Temp 93 Avg Temp 84.447 Multi 14514
Additionally, no thermal throttled during entire C23 bench testing.
I might have to increase numbers little?
Interesting!1st questionis what was the multiscore with stock settings?
You should be in the 15000s range with70-75 according to my tests as i hit 14231 with 58 / 75 TDPs. No thermal throttling is excellent so you maybe have some more thermal headroom to increase power a little more. Also, Repeat that with discrete graphics and not optimus. What was the clock speed avg during C23 at 70-75? 3.5ghz?
Also, i wouldn’t be running many cpu hungry programs in the background when u do a C23 test. Keep coolerboost on and extreme performance mai mode.
Also try to Test 65 PL1 and 80 PL2
Next part of tuning is for the games use case:
Once that’s done. I would start testing in AAA games. Monitor cpu utilization, gpu utilization, clock speeds, and temps
run something GPU heavy like cyberpunk. If while running you notice you GPU utilization is 90%+ running at only 100/150watts(3070ti has a budget of 150w) and cpu only 50% the it means for that game tbe GPu is the bottlenecking and you need to let go of some power on the cpu so the gpu can use it.
then you decide what you want. Better fps in games or high cinebench scores.
I mainly game. I’ve done this various calibration and my current settings are (for cool & performant gaming):
58 PL1 and 73PL2. Allows me to to give My GPU is overclock using msicenter extreme performance +200 +200. (Temps never go high on gpu, it has thermal headroom in this chassis)
Remember I mostly game so i don’t care about cinebench other than helping me tune multithreaded performance. so On Cyberpunk with those settings, i’m running 72fps averages
, 58 1% lows, temps max 89, avg 70s and my gpu uses it’s 140-150w cause i dialed back power from cpu. Star citizen also runs great with these settings.
I’m currently running at 60 / 75 PL1 PL2 (TCC offset 6) and my GPU is able to get to 130-150watts which boosts fps while staying cool. With those settings have my msi extreme mode overlocking the gpu 200 and 200mhz. Gives me a multi score on c23 of mid-high 14000s and my cyberpunk / star citizen on ultra runs like a dream (both on ultra btw) while keeping temps at comfortable levels.what would be the best number to provide max power to GPU?
Thanks for sharing @pacheco.phili151502d4@nesi156a02d2 did you remove the 1st strip of foam used for 15” and lower the laptop holder brackets so it centers the bottom of the laptop vents better? Need to remove one strip of foam for 17.3” laptop fitment. I’m getting good ventilation here, you should too (at max fans)
regarding the TDP of 45-55w. I tried those levels and the temps are amazing. Even the cinebench scores still beat previous gen but but less margin.
on cyberpunk with those settings my gpu was drawing the full 150w bouncing between 140-150 and fps was great. Cant remember how much better or worse it was compared to 60w-75w. If i don’t remember it must not have been a big difference. For star citizen; if inlower it to 45w it will get an fps drop as it’s more cpu intensive than cyberpunk.
i can definitely see a 45-55w setup work. Intel official 12700h specs are 45-115w i believe so manufacturers set their own tdps based on their cooling chassis so it’s all in tweaking it to maximize the games u play most.
nice on the cooler. It does make a difference on the cpu too. Perhaps not as much as the gpu; hence why i used msi center to boost the gpu by 200mhz and 200mhz because of the extra thermal headroom.I haven’t checked the vid memory or clock speeds of the 3080 but i’m sure boostingthe 3070ti with msi center brings close to 3080 performance.Thanks for sharing @pacheco.phili151502d4
QUICK UPDATE FOR IETS 500: Did some benchmarks on Unigine engine: IETS MAX POWER 54c GPU TEMP vs 64c with cooler boost sitting on the table. 10c difference!
Was expecting better on the CPU front though. It still thermal throttles at 3900mhz (on all cores). But I use to get 5ghz on 1 core and even on 1 core I still cant get past 3900mhz even though I get no thermal throttling.
I might have messed something up?!? Dust build up already?? Don't think so...
Anyway I love this gaming laptop, really enjoying it! It just came at a busy moment in my life; sold my current house and in process of moving as I said. Gonna do a lot more test and tweaking when I get some free time.
Is there even the offsets even visible in the BIOS? I have a 12700H GE76 and while the Overclocking Lock option is there, I still couldn't find any place in the BIOS to set the offsets for voltage. As far as I know, Intel has completely killed undervolting on anything but the 12900HK for Alder Lake mobile. But if you know where the offsets are in the BIOS, i'll try it and see if I can lock up my machine from a too aggressive undervolt..I just noticed that undervolting in BIOS actually works in GE76.
But you have to be aware that off-set voltage doesn't show on HWmonitor or XTU.
Well it was a MAJOR Throttlestop bug! Got rid of Throttlestop (turning it off or closing didn't work)… Now I get up to 4.5-4.8 Ghz! IETS 500 apparently works very well indeed!nice on the cooler. It does make a difference on the cpu too. Perhaps not as much as the gpu; hence why i used msi center to boost the gpu by 200mhz and 200mhz because of the extra thermal headroom.I haven’t checked the vid memory or clock speeds of the 3080 but i’m sure boostingthe 3070ti with msi center brings close to 3080 performance.
That’s strange you should be at 4099mhz. What is your tcc offset setting?
Nominal is 5 (forces a thermal throttle at 95c)
Aside from the tdp values and the external cooler the only other thing we can do is re paste to increase thermal headroom more to bring out the full performance of the 12700h since we can’t undervolt. I wil likely do it when im out of warranty; for now ima enjoy this setup.
I highly recommend test your machine by using XTU though.I have the MSI Raider GE76 with the RTX 3080 and the i7-12700H and I followed this Thread very interested, since my temps are also horrible. Furthermore, when playing Games for a while, the Screen turns black for a second (Also the second screen I attached) like if the GPU Drivers died or smth. I feel like its related to thermal throttling and the PC having a hiccup.
So I wanted to set the TDP in the Bios (Cant use the Intel Tool since it doesnt seem to like me having Virtual Machine Support enabled)
However I am completely lost in how to configure the TDP in the Bios. I find the Options but changing the Watt Value (It says Level 1 200000 and Level 2 also 200000) doesnt seem to change anything. Did some 3DMark Runs and no matter what I changed, it didnt seem to apply. Can someone configure the TDP in Bios and take a pic with their phone from the settings? Would really appreciate it. 200 Watt for the CPU seems super high.