GE76 CPU 12th Gen Temperatures

[pacheco.phili151502d4]

I just noticed that undervolting in BIOS actually works in GE76.
But you have to be aware that off-set voltage doesn't show on HWmonitor or XTU.

For the 12900HK yes, but not to my knowledge for the 12700H

 

[choi_to129d02a5]

Be sure to test c23 multi, and post if coolerboost yes/no, temps avg max, TDP max avg, and score. I can add more data to the graph.

How do you think of my result?


PL1 70W PL2 75W

No Cooler Boost
Max TDP	75.0569​
Average TDP	69.36484​
Max Temp	93​
Avg Temp	84.447​
Multi	14514​

Additionally, no thermal throttled during entire C23 bench testing.

I might have to increase numbers little?

 

[pacheco.phili151502d4]

How do you think of my result?


PL1 70W PL2 75W

No Cooler Boost
Max TDP	75.0569​
Average TDP	69.36484​
Max Temp	93​
Avg Temp	84.447​
Multi	14514​

Additionally, no thermal throttled during entire C23 bench testing.

I might have to increase numbers little?

1st questionis what was the multiscore with stock settings?

You should be in the 15000s range with70-75 according to my tests as i hit 14231 with 58 / 75 TDPs. No thermal throttling is excellent so you maybe have some more thermal headroom to increase power a little more. Also, Repeat that with discrete graphics and not optimus. What was the clock speed avg during C23 at 70-75? 3.5ghz?

Also, i wouldn’t be running many cpu hungry programs in the background when u do a C23 test. Keep coolerboost on and extreme performance mai mode.

Also try to Test 65 PL1 and 80 PL2

Next part of tuning is for the games use case:

Once that’s done. I would start testing in AAA games. Monitor cpu utilization, gpu utilization, clock speeds, and temps

run something GPU heavy like cyberpunk. If while running you notice you GPU utilization is 90%+ running at only 100/150watts(3070ti has a budget of 150w) and cpu only 50% the it means for that game tbe GPu is the bottlenecking and you need to let go of some power on the cpu so the gpu can use it.

then you decide what you want. Better fps in games or high cinebench scores.

I mainly game. I’ve done this various calibration and my current settings are (for cool & performant gaming):

58 PL1 and 73PL2. Allows me to to give My GPU is overclock using msicenter extreme performance +200 +200. (Temps never go high on gpu, it has thermal headroom in this chassis)

Remember I mostly game so i don’t care about cinebench other than helping me tune multithreaded performance. so On Cyberpunk with those settings, i’m running 72fps averages
, 58 1% lows, temps max 89, avg 70s and my gpu uses it’s 140-150w cause i dialed back power from cpu. Star citizen also runs great with these settings.

 

[choi_to129d02a5]

1st questionis what was the multiscore with stock settings?

You should be in the 15000s range with70-75 according to my tests as i hit 14231 with 58 / 75 TDPs. No thermal throttling is excellent so you maybe have some more thermal headroom to increase power a little more. Also, Repeat that with discrete graphics and not optimus. What was the clock speed avg during C23 at 70-75? 3.5ghz?

Also, i wouldn’t be running many cpu hungry programs in the background when u do a C23 test. Keep coolerboost on and extreme performance mai mode.

Also try to Test 65 PL1 and 80 PL2

Next part of tuning is for the games use case:

Once that’s done. I would start testing in AAA games. Monitor cpu utilization, gpu utilization, clock speeds, and temps

run something GPU heavy like cyberpunk. If while running you notice you GPU utilization is 90%+ running at only 100/150watts(3070ti has a budget of 150w) and cpu only 50% the it means for that game tbe GPu is the bottlenecking and you need to let go of some power on the cpu so the gpu can use it.

then you decide what you want. Better fps in games or high cinebench scores.

I mainly game. I’ve done this various calibration and my current settings are (for cool & performant gaming):

58 PL1 and 73PL2. Allows me to to give My GPU is overclock using msicenter extreme performance +200 +200. (Temps never go high on gpu, it has thermal headroom in this chassis)

Remember I mostly game so i don’t care about cinebench other than helping me tune multithreaded performance. so On Cyberpunk with those settings, i’m running 72fps averages
, 58 1% lows, temps max 89, avg 70s and my gpu uses it’s 140-150w cause i dialed back power from cpu. Star citizen also runs great with these settings.

Interesting!

I mainly play PUBG and when I monitor with afterburner CPU usage is less than 50% (currently at work so I don't remember exact number)
but sure that CPU usage was way below than I expected.

GPU usage of course almost hitting 100% all the time (~97~99%)

I might have to decrease CPU's TDP and give more margin to GPU.

I tried with PL1 65W and PL2 80W with GPU overclocked in MSI center, and results seems okay.

But not sure if the FPS can be improved if I reduce CPU's TDP though.

You get power limit throttling all the time when you limit the CPU's TDP right?

 

[pacheco.phili151502d4]

Yes undervolting and lowering tdp is power limiting/throttling. Better to power throttle than thermal throttle

 

[choi_to129d02a5]

Yes undervolting and lowering tdp is power limiting/throttling. Better to power throttle than thermal throttle

what would be the best number to provide max power to GPU?

 

[pacheco.phili151502d4]

what would be the best number to provide max power to GPU?

I’m currently running at 60 / 75 PL1 PL2 (TCC offset 6) and my GPU is able to get to 130-150watts which boosts fps while staying cool. With those settings have my msi extreme mode overlocking the gpu 200 and 200mhz. Gives me a multi score on c23 of mid-high 14000s and my cyberpunk / star citizen on ultra runs like a dream (both on ultra btw) while keeping temps at comfortable levels.

i should also state that I do also have what I consider the best non gimmick laptop cooling stand on the market (the IETS GT500) helping it stay cool.

 

[nesi156a02d2]

I am thinking of exploring the "extreme" ends of PL limits.
For high FPS CPU settings I will probably bump the PL1-2 higher than 70s but for GPU slaying games like Cyberpunk or Watchdogs; I might limit CPU the way down to 45w-55w.
Do you check clamp settings on throttlestop btw?
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I might have done something wrong while using throttlestop (in the last 24 hours) and locked my CPU to a 3900 max. Trying to figure out what I did... Probably some miss click or something.
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Btw I just received my IETS 500 5000RPM with Extracooling RGB's . First impressions: This might not be the best fit for a 17.3 inch gaming laptop. Some of the bottom air intakes seem to be covered by the foam. I might cut the foam a bit, when I get the chance. Currently quite busy moving to a new house. Did a few quick&dirty benchmarks in games: FPS %1 improvement (?).
More tests in the future...

 

[pacheco.phili151502d4]

@nesi156a02d2 did you remove the 1st strip of foam used for 15” and lower the laptop holder brackets so it centers the bottom of the laptop vents better? Need to remove one strip of foam for 17.3” laptop fitment. I’m getting good ventilation here, you should too (at max fans)

regarding the TDP of 45-55w. I tried those levels and the temps are amazing. Even the cinebench scores still beat previous gen but but less margin.

on cyberpunk with those settings my gpu was drawing the full 150w bouncing between 140-150 and fps was great. Cant remember how much better or worse it was compared to 60w-75w. If i don’t remember it must not have been a big difference. For star citizen; if inlower it to 45w it will get an fps drop as it’s more cpu intensive than cyberpunk.

i can definitely see a 45-55w setup work. Intel official 12700h specs are 45-115w i believe so manufacturers set their own tdps based on their cooling chassis so it’s all in tweaking it to maximize the games u play most.

 

[nesi156a02d2]

@nesi156a02d2 did you remove the 1st strip of foam used for 15” and lower the laptop holder brackets so it centers the bottom of the laptop vents better? Need to remove one strip of foam for 17.3” laptop fitment. I’m getting good ventilation here, you should too (at max fans)

regarding the TDP of 45-55w. I tried those levels and the temps are amazing. Even the cinebench scores still beat previous gen but but less margin.

on cyberpunk with those settings my gpu was drawing the full 150w bouncing between 140-150 and fps was great. Cant remember how much better or worse it was compared to 60w-75w. If i don’t remember it must not have been a big difference. For star citizen; if inlower it to 45w it will get an fps drop as it’s more cpu intensive than cyberpunk.

i can definitely see a 45-55w setup work. Intel official 12700h specs are 45-115w i believe so manufacturers set their own tdps based on their cooling chassis so it’s all in tweaking it to maximize the games u play most.

Thanks for sharing @pacheco.phili151502d4
QUICK UPDATE FOR IETS 500: Did some benchmarks on Unigine engine: IETS MAX POWER 54c GPU TEMP vs 64c with cooler boost sitting on the table. 10c difference!
Was expecting better on the CPU front though. It still thermal throttles at 3900mhz (on all cores). But I use to get 5ghz on 1 core and even on 1 core I still cant get past 3900mhz even though I get no thermal throttling.
I might have messed something up?!? Dust build up already?? Don't think so...
Anyway I love this gaming laptop, really enjoying it! It just came at a busy moment in my life; sold my current house and in process of moving as I said. Gonna do a lot more test and tweaking when I get some free time.

 

[pacheco.phili151502d4]

Thanks for sharing @pacheco.phili151502d4
QUICK UPDATE FOR IETS 500: Did some benchmarks on Unigine engine: IETS MAX POWER 54c GPU TEMP vs 64c with cooler boost sitting on the table. 10c difference!
Was expecting better on the CPU front though. It still thermal throttles at 3900mhz (on all cores). But I use to get 5ghz on 1 core and even on 1 core I still cant get past 3900mhz even though I get no thermal throttling.
I might have messed something up?!? Dust build up already?? Don't think so...
Anyway I love this gaming laptop, really enjoying it! It just came at a busy moment in my life; sold my current house and in process of moving as I said. Gonna do a lot more test and tweaking when I get some free time.

nice on the cooler. It does make a difference on the cpu too. Perhaps not as much as the gpu; hence why i used msi center to boost the gpu by 200mhz and 200mhz because of the extra thermal headroom.I haven’t checked the vid memory or clock speeds of the 3080 but i’m sure boostingthe 3070ti with msi center brings close to 3080 performance.
That’s strange you should be at 4099mhz. What is your tcc offset setting?

Nominal is 5 (forces a thermal throttle at 95c)

Aside from the tdp values and the external cooler the only other thing we can do is re paste to increase thermal headroom more to bring out the full performance of the 12700h since we can’t undervolt. I wil likely do it when im out of warranty; for now ima enjoy this setup.

 

[Diversion]

I just noticed that undervolting in BIOS actually works in GE76.
But you have to be aware that off-set voltage doesn't show on HWmonitor or XTU.

Is there even the offsets even visible in the BIOS? I have a 12700H GE76 and while the Overclocking Lock option is there, I still couldn't find any place in the BIOS to set the offsets for voltage. As far as I know, Intel has completely killed undervolting on anything but the 12900HK for Alder Lake mobile. But if you know where the offsets are in the BIOS, i'll try it and see if I can lock up my machine from a too aggressive undervolt..

Edit: Nevermind, I found the undervolting options under the "Overlocking Performance Menu"..
Edit 2: Undervolting manually in the BIOS does nothing.. Went to -1000mv to purposely cause problems and it doesn't care :/

 

[Diversion]

I just wanted to chime in I also have a GE76 with 12700H + 3070ti.. I had to liquid metal mine after testing it stock, as it hit 100c nearly immediately and throttled horribly. Post liquid metal, temps dropped nearly 18c and I can fully sustain an all-core boost of 4.1 on the P cores + E cores... Although eventually i'll stabilize around 89c under load. Hitting 18,400+ in CB23 multi and 1811~ in single. Still super angry at Intel for removing undervolting from the non-HK chips.. Not entirely sure of the point of this decision when previous 11th gen had it on the 11800h/11900h. Perhaps the 12800h has it.. and we already saw someone confirming FIVR works on the 12900HK.

 

[seba84_2005]

Keep having fun with baking from factory thermal grease in cinebench if you don't have liquid metal from factory.... you will be using soon cooler boost in idle on laptop 30 min stress test in cinebench r23 can destroy thermal grizzly kryo so much that it can only be replaced...

 

[nesi156a02d2]

nice on the cooler. It does make a difference on the cpu too. Perhaps not as much as the gpu; hence why i used msi center to boost the gpu by 200mhz and 200mhz because of the extra thermal headroom.I haven’t checked the vid memory or clock speeds of the 3080 but i’m sure boostingthe 3070ti with msi center brings close to 3080 performance.
That’s strange you should be at 4099mhz. What is your tcc offset setting?

Nominal is 5 (forces a thermal throttle at 95c)

Aside from the tdp values and the external cooler the only other thing we can do is re paste to increase thermal headroom more to bring out the full performance of the 12700h since we can’t undervolt. I wil likely do it when im out of warranty; for now ima enjoy this setup.

Well it was a MAJOR Throttlestop bug! Got rid of Throttlestop (turning it off or closing didn't work)… Now I get up to 4.5-4.8 Ghz! IETS 500 apparently works very well indeed!
I might switch to Bios or XTU now. It feels like even 5ghz is not out of reach with repaste + top quality thermal pads (but I wont do that at least for a few months).
The throttlestop version I use was Beta, and perhaps it conflicted with XTU (even though I didn't touch XTU except for benchmarking).

 

[bat-l15b602e7]

I have the MSI Raider GE76 with the RTX 3080 and the i7-12700H and I followed this Thread very interested, since my temps are also horrible. Furthermore, when playing Games for a while, the Screen turns black for a second (Also the second screen I attached) like if the GPU Drivers died or smth. I feel like its related to thermal throttling and the PC having a hiccup.

So I wanted to set the TDP in the Bios (Cant use the Intel Tool since it doesnt seem to like me having Virtual Machine Support enabled)

However I am completely lost in how to configure the TDP in the Bios. I find the Options but changing the Watt Value (It says Level 1 200000 and Level 2 also 200000) doesnt seem to change anything. Did some 3DMark Runs and no matter what I changed, it didnt seem to apply. Can someone configure the TDP in Bios and take a pic with their phone from the settings? Would really appreciate it. 200 Watt for the CPU seems super high.

 

[choi_to129d02a5]

I have the MSI Raider GE76 with the RTX 3080 and the i7-12700H and I followed this Thread very interested, since my temps are also horrible. Furthermore, when playing Games for a while, the Screen turns black for a second (Also the second screen I attached) like if the GPU Drivers died or smth. I feel like its related to thermal throttling and the PC having a hiccup.

So I wanted to set the TDP in the Bios (Cant use the Intel Tool since it doesnt seem to like me having Virtual Machine Support enabled)

However I am completely lost in how to configure the TDP in the Bios. I find the Options but changing the Watt Value (It says Level 1 200000 and Level 2 also 200000) doesnt seem to change anything. Did some 3DMark Runs and no matter what I changed, it didnt seem to apply. Can someone configure the TDP in Bios and take a pic with their phone from the settings? Would really appreciate it. 200 Watt for the CPU seems super high.

I highly recommend test your machine by using XTU though.
You have to find your sweet spot and modify TDP values using XTU otherwise it will be pain in the [***CENSORED***]
cause you have to modify your TDP values every single time in BIOS setting.

Before you adjust your TDP values in BIOS you have to enter hidden BIOS menu by pressing

left alt + right shift + right control + F2

and then go in to CPU power configuration tab

and you will find TDP configuration menu.

 

[choi_to129d02a5]

currently staying at 45 - 50 W at this moment to provide max power to GPU at this moment.

 

[bat-l15b602e7]

Well, I was playing Elden Ring and since I got the 1080p Screen, I basically had the CPU at 25% and the GPU at 8% use at all times... So i didn't feel like its worth it to cook my cpu for basically nothing. I foud now out that MSI Afterburner actually shows the max Watt Usage of your CPU during a certain period of time so I know now that my 80 Watts Limit hit multiple times. Which is good news - During Gameplay, the CPU was always in the high 80s, but not running at 96-100 anymore.

Elden Ring is hard to talk about anyway due to its kinda bad optimization. Game struggled to keep 60 FPS going with 1080p which was sad. Gotta try some other games out to see if the CPU Power is still enough and maybe go even lower than 80 Watts. I find it a bit sad that MSI releases their laptop in such a unusable state when it comes to performance. Wo wants to have third degree burns when touching the area above the F Keys?!

 

[bat-l15b602e7]

for a while I thought the 80 Watts Limit I set worked, since it didnt go above 79,8 again, but now when I used some virtual machines I saw it peak up to 100 Watts. Looks like the BIOS Options either dont do anything or I need a screenshot on how to set it correctly, because the TDP Limits dont seem to bother my laptop at all.