GS75 Stealth 9GS Gaming performance (Warzone)

[klynke150b02d6]

I’m writing in to ask people with similar laptops, what they run FPS-wise during Call of Duty Warzone?
I'm fairly disappointed in my expensive gaming laptop, and I feel like something is wrong with my experience:
I’m running 40-80 FPS (Sometimes et dips to 35 fps) and it feels like its struggling , alot. 95degrees while gaming, it feels on fire.
All my settings are more or less set to low, Nvidia control panel set to performance.
Shift is Sport or Turbo, fan speed on Cooler boost or Auto.
Can this really be right? Average 60 FPS on all low settings? I feel like my old PS4 would perform better.
Have tried all the usual, reinstalled games, tried different guides to different settings for better fps, different Power Plan settings etc.

Lately Warzone has begun crashing after 5 minutes of gameplay, no error message, just quits to desktop. I feel all my issues are from the laptop being way too hot.

Any thoughts?

 

[Sgt Brococli]

MSI laptops run very hot on default settings.
You need to lower your turbo clocks and undervolt your cpu and gpu via Intel XTU or Throttlestop.
Last resort is a repaste with a new brand thermal paste, but that is a bit complicated for beginners.

I recommend that you set your user profile to Silent Mode to avoid thermal throttling of the CPU.
As the CPU and GPU share the same heatsink, it will otherwise overheat the gpu as well which will also thermal throttle and reduce performance greatly.

What resolution are you gaming on?

 

[nysmeee155102da]

About the temperature, looks high but I won't take it as overheating.
Normal situation for gaming laptops.

What's the CPU on your laptop? i7 or i9?

What about other games?
And do you keep the laptop plugged when playing games?

Make sure firmware is up to date.
And clean install both graphics drivers with DDU, and download the latest NVIDIA and Intel graphics drivers.

 

[klynke150b02d6]

Thank you for replying guys.
Latest Nvidia drivers, intel driver & support assistant checks everything out, latest BIOS, latest EC, laptop is always plugged in when gaming yes, i7-9750H CPU 2.60GHz, GeForce RTX 2080 Max-Q,.
have run several "enhance FPS YouTube guides", reinstalled the game, several Nvidia driver full un- and reinstalls.
Again, 50 FPS on a RTX 2080 in Warzone, can that really be right?
Im not trying to gain 10 FPS here, i feel it should 100-120FPS fairly easy on all low settings.

Tried out Cyberpunk but that was damn near unplayable, never ran a fps counter, felt like 20-30 FPS.
@
Sgt Brococli

I'm running the games on Sport shift, not Turbo (which i believe is the overclocking setting), I never really overclock. and the Fan seeting on "Cooler Boost", to keep it as cool as possible, surely that's the best mode for gaming?

 

[klynke150b02d6]

oh and sorry, resolution: 1920x1080 Render Resolution: 100

 

[matskov]

I had the same problem before on my GS 75 Stealth 10 GS and the reason is CPU thermal throttling. The workaround is:
- Go to power options in the control panel
- Choose or customize a power plan
- Change plan settings
- Change advanced power setting
- Select processor power management and set maximum processor state to 99%

This requires from CPU to work on the base frequency of 2.3 GHz, but without thermal throttling, and FPS became much higher. But other applications work slower than my 4 years Asus laptop. Very wondering about such "upgrade".

Please note: on my laptop it works only for "Ultimate performance" power plan, and does not work for "balanced" and other plans.

Hope this will help you.

 

[klynke150b02d6]

Really appreciate the reply Matskov, but I'd actually tried that earlier in a "how to" video on boosting FPS on YouTube.
Did it again just now, new power plan, maximum performance, minimum processor state to 50%, maximum processor state to 100%.
no difference
50 FPS, all low settings COD Warzone.
Really starting to regret spending all that extra money for a decent GFX in the laptop, when I'm clocking 50 fps. As I said earlier, i feel like my PS4 would run it better.

 

[microlynz159602e0]

Try to:
-Buying a PC cooler board and place it under your laptop. It help much...
-underclock CPU
-Reduce resolution to 1080p (4k overheat ever workstation pc)
-your pc series is not well cooled (versus TITAN series for example) and you should take that on consideration

 

[mikecha15b902eb]

@ Klynke : Its normal. I've been on same boat. But like the others say, underclock with throttlestop, change power to 99 or 98 and and a decent fan cooler and now i'm running about 100 - 130ish. But if you really want desktop type performance and you don't want to buy another cpu, go with a eGPU.

 

[Sgt Brococli]

Thank you for replying guys.
Latest Nvidia drivers, intel driver & support assistant checks everything out, latest BIOS, latest EC, laptop is always plugged in when gaming yes, i7-9750H CPU 2.60GHz, GeForce RTX 2080 Max-Q,.
have run several "enhance FPS YouTube guides", reinstalled the game, several Nvidia driver full un- and reinstalls.
Again, 50 FPS on a RTX 2080 in Warzone, can that really be right?
Im not trying to gain 10 FPS here, i feel it should 100-120FPS fairly easy on all low settings.

Tried out Cyberpunk but that was damn near unplayable, never ran a fps counter, felt like 20-30 FPS.
@
Sgt Brococli

I'm running the games on Sport shift, not Turbo (which i believe is the overclocking setting), I never really overclock. and the Fan seeting on "Cooler Boost", to keep it as cool as possible, surely that's the best mode for gaming?

In Silent mode on my GE66 Raider 10SF 2070 MAX-P and 10875h I get 60-90fps in Cyberpunk 2077. 1440p DLSS Quality most settings ultra.

I feel something is really off to provide such poor performance.
I would install GPU-Z and have it running during a gaming session. See what your max temps, frequencies etc are.
Could be that the gpu is thermal throttling which causes piss-poor fps.

Your fps should be better than mine even.
Especially on 1080p.

Edit:
Just read the part about 95 degrees..
There is most likely the main issue here.

At that point, it thermal throttles the CPU and GPU which can result in this performance.

In this case, there are quite a few things that you need to do in order to rectify this.
Disabling Turbo entirely is not it though; as that is a step too far

Happy to help you out with a step by step guide if interested.
In that case, just let me know.

Otherwise, just download throttlestop, and read up on how to undervolt your cpu.
I'd also lower the turbo ratios greatly.

 

[nysmeee155102da]

Thank you for replying guys.
Latest Nvidia drivers, intel driver & support assistant checks everything out, latest BIOS, latest EC, laptop is always plugged in when gaming yes, i7-9750H CPU 2.60GHz, GeForce RTX 2080 Max-Q,.
have run several "enhance FPS YouTube guides", reinstalled the game, several Nvidia driver full un- and reinstalls.
Again, 50 FPS on a RTX 2080 in Warzone, can that really be right?
Im not trying to gain 10 FPS here, i feel it should 100-120FPS fairly easy on all low settings.

Tried out Cyberpunk but that was damn near unplayable, never ran a fps counter, felt like 20-30 FPS.
@
Sgt Brococli

I'm running the games on Sport shift, not Turbo (which i believe is the overclocking setting), I never really overclock. and the Fan seeting on "Cooler Boost", to keep it as cool as possible, surely that's the best mode for gaming?

" i feel it should 100-120FPS fairly easy on all low settings. " > Where did you get this info though?

RAM capacity on your laptop?
Warzone still crash now?

You can check out this guide.
Run the benchmark in the guide and share the result here.

 

[klynke150b02d6]

Warzone is still crashing.

I will check that guide and run a benchmark, thank you.
I got the 100-120 FPS idea from reading what the hardware should be capable of, and i saw quite a few FPS tests on YouTube before buying the laptop.
When I first got it I didn't play much, but when I loaded up Apex Legends it would run perfectly, 130FPS on medium settings.

Sgt Brococli
Please instruct me

Thanks guys.

 

[Sgt Brococli]

Undervolting guide
I had a laptop previously with the same CPU, so I know a fair bit about its capabilities (MSI GS65 Stealth).

CPU

1. Download Throttlestop 9.2 and export it to your desktop (keep it in its own folder, of course)
2. Start it up and check if Speedshift has the SST flag (in green). If so, set the value to 128. This will let your CPU downclock itself better when you are not using it fully and will reduce overall temps when not under full load. SpeedStep should be disabled. If Speedshift does not have the green flag here, head on into BIOS and disable Intel SpeedStep and enabled Intel SpeedShift, then go back to Throttlestop and set it up as I mentioned.
   
   
3. Hit the FIVR icon in the bottom of Throttlestop and take a look at the Turbo Ratios. Lower all values by 5 (starting with the lower one). This will reduce the max Turbo clock but it will hardly affect your performance as you got throttled anyways before. The ratios below are for my 10875h and should not be used, they are just shown here as an example for you.
   
4. Select CPU Core and tick "Unlock adjustable voltage" and select Adaptive. Set the undervolt to -90mv to start with. Repeat the same procedure for CPU Cache (mine is set to -85 in the example below):
   
   
5. Under Memory, make sure that "Disable and lock turbo power limits" is ticked and that voltages are saved immediately (bottom right).
6. Click on Ok and click on TP Bench. Time to test the stability a bit! Run all 3 sizes of tests here. If all is good, there should be no errors. If you get any errors, please lower the undervolt of core and cache and apply, test again etc until it is stable with no errors.
   
   

GPU

1. For the GPU, you need to download MSI Afterburner (I am sure there are more recent versions, but this is the one that I used).
2. Click on the OC Scanner and let your computer set up a new voltage/overclocking curve for your graphics card. Overall this will unlock better performance for your graphics card.
   
   
3. Save it as a profile to the right (where it says 1, 2, 3, 4 ,5 ,6 ) as you need to apply it when you start your computer.
4. If you wish to reduce temps, here is where the undervolting part comes in, but it is a bit more complicated. Basically you need to find a stable boost clock and lock it there and reduce the voltage as much as it is stable in games. This is done by clicking on the little "volume" or "stepping" icon once you have set up the curve. I recommend that you save this as a profile before making these changes:
   
   
5. In my case, I have for now locked the voltage at 0.725mv and the core to 1620MHZ, with a vram overclock of 500MHZ. I hardly lose any performance and it dropped my GPU temps by 10-15 degrees under load. Since your GPU is different, the values you lock at here are different. I recommend you look at your own GPU and undervolting settings on google To select a voltage to lock, select the little box and hit CTRL+L to lock it. Note that this will be the frequency under idle as well then, but I have not noticed any real power draw differences when this is done. It is all about how much utilization the GPU has so there is no danger here.
   
   

That's it!
Good luck

 

[Sgt Brococli]

Warzone is still crashing.

I will check that guide and run a benchmark, thank you.
I got the 100-120 FPS idea from reading what the hardware should be capable of, and i saw quite a few FPS tests on YouTube before buying the laptop.
When I first got it I didn't play much, but when I loaded up Apex Legends it would run perfectly, 130FPS on medium settings.

Sgt Brococli
Please instruct me

Thanks guys.

A tip is to download GPU-Z, start it up and check what your temps are using that, including the max power draw That is what I do when I undervolt and overclock to make sure I am not reaching any limits. When gaming, you should never be PWR, Voltage or limited at all for the best consistent performance.
So just click on the values to set them to show Max, and start your work!
The CPU throttles at over 90+ degrees, and the GPU throttles at around 80+ degrees.
So try to get the GPU into a 75 degree max and the CPU to an 85 degree max after a 1 hour gaming session or so

And as I said, you should never have green lines on your PerfCap Reason. If that is the case, you should reduce your GPU clock and voltage.

 

[klynke150b02d6]

Update: Thank you so much for the guide mate, I am terribly sorry if I have wasted your time here, I will of course leave this up for someone else to follow - but I have been trying to solve the issue with the MSI Support as well as here, and they have found "a phenomenon of frequency reduction due to high temperature" and recommend that I "take your computer to the local MSI Service Center to check the thermal module". That is their verdict after I provided them with info through running several heat tests and benchmarks, I don't know if that will solve it, but I will give that a shot and let you all know.
Thank you again!

 

[Sgt Brococli]

Update: Thank you so much for the guide mate, I am terribly sorry if I have wasted your time here, I will of course leave this up for someone else to follow - but I have been trying to solve the issue with the MSI Support as well as here, and they have found "a phenomenon of frequency reduction due to high temperature" and recommend that I "take your computer to the local MSI Service Center to check the thermal module". That is their verdict after I provided them with info through running several heat tests and benchmarks, I don't know if that will solve it, but I will give that a shot and let you all know.
Thank you again!

Np!
It may help someone else too.
And what they described was thermal throttling The undervolting etc will help with that. But I hope you get a replacement that is better. You should still follow my steps after. Does not void warranty, gives consistent performance and battery life, reduces fans and temps

 

[klynke150b02d6]

I will definitely follow your guide when I get it back

 

[nysmeee155102da]

Btw, still recommend you run a benchmark test (3DMark fire strike).
It's a free tool (download the demo version from Steam).
From the result you get from Fire Strike we can have a better understanding of the current situation of the laptop.