GT70 Dragon Edition 2's Sudden Death

christina_snape

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Hi all,
I think my laptop has royally bit the dust, and I'm mostly looking for confirmation or alternative suggestions to what the problem might be.

Let me start by saying she's 7 years old, so long out of warranty. I've had to repair her a few times (dead hard drives removed x2, broken hinges...) in the last year or two. I knew she wouldn't last forever so I've been trying to save for the GT76 but I've only managed to scrape together about 8% of the total cost before catastrophe struck.
I was in the middle of playing a game, about to round a corner, when poof! All power was completely lost, she just shut off in the blink of an eye, while plugged in and battery connected, and hasn't been able to start up since. Completely dead. No lights, no attempting to start but failing, just dead dead dead.... I've tried some of the simpler tricks like unplugging everything, removing the battery, holding the power button for 30 seconds to a minute, trying to boot on only battery, or only ac power... Nothing has changed, so I have a sneaking suspicion it's the motherboard.
I'm semi-tech savvy, (fixed the hinges myself, was going to replace the keyboard myself, have upgraded RAM in a desktop, can follow troubleshooting guides, etc) but I'm not confident enough to open it up myself, so I have someone looking at it on Wednesday.
In the meantime, do any of you have any tips/tricks I might have missed? Am I right to presume it's the motherboard? If so, can I replace it, or given the whole laptops age, should I just opt for a new one? And if I get a new one, given the expense of a current GT76 ($5800 CAD) is there another that would be comparable you'd recommend instead? I've only ever looked at the GT line because that's what I have, so a GS feels like a "downgrade"... But in reality, almost any of them would be an upgrade over a 7 year old system.

Thanks for your time and input.
 

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next3r said:
Resetting Your Laptops EC (Embedded Controller) - XOTICPC Forums
Resetting Your Laptops EC (Embedded Controller) Sometimes it is necessary to reset your laptop's embedded controller (EC). The EC is responsible for sending very
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correct ec reset

Next3r sent me this link that help me confirm my mother board was dead.
As per the replacement laptop, if you want to stay with MSI, the GE66 or GE76 would be cheaper than the GT series and still very good performance, the GS66 is more thin and light, you cannot game all day on it, at least not without extra cooling and undervolting, not all CPUs can achieve undervolting in 2021.
 

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only desktop ,.,.no notebook never :biggrin:

the problem is that everything is limited ,,.,. as well as the GT series "any limit is absurd here"

for easy gaming -- gaming nb
for any heavy works -- desktop ONLY

,.,..,for your problem need SERVICE --full debug "dead EC" or similar chip
try EC reset


,.,edit
undervol FIX "plundervolt" --possitible unlock "admin mode in bios"
problem ,,why need undervolt :D ,,,all cpu still need OVERvolt for stability ,.,.,,.only need better cooling/thermal-paste from factory :-)
 
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next3r said:
Resetting Your Laptops EC (Embedded Controller) - XOTICPC Forums
Resetting Your Laptops EC (Embedded Controller) Sometimes it is necessary to reset your laptop's embedded controller (EC). The EC is responsible for sending very
www.xoticpcforums.com
correct ec reset

Next3r sent me this link that help me confirm my mother board was dead.
As per the replacement laptop, if you want to stay with MSI, the GE66 or GE76 would be cheaper than the GT series and still very good performance, the GS66 is more thin and light, you cannot game all day on it, at least not without extra cooling and undervolting, not all CPUs can achieve undervolting in 2021.
Thanks. I tried an ec reset tonight, but no response from the laptop. Either I've done it incorrectly (but I tried 3 separate methods, because research was unclear which one worked for my model) or its just plain dead.
My money is on dead. But I'll report back once the tech guy has a look at it.
 

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Thanks. I tried an ec reset tonight, but no response from the laptop. Either I've done it incorrectly (but I tried 3 separate methods, because research was unclear which one worked for my model) or its just plain dead.
My money is on dead. But I'll report back once the tech guy has a look at it.
Official EC reset guide from MSI.
If you still can't power on the laptop, send the laptop to the official service center and let them check the laptop for you.

About the replacement laptop, agreed with @drek4.
GE series (like GE66) is recommended, not as heavy as GT series but the performance is superb.
GS series is also more on the high-end side but put more emphasis on the portability.
 

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About the replacement laptop, agreed with @drek4.
GE series (like GE66) is recommended, not as heavy as GT series but the performance is superb.
GS series is also more on the high-end side but put more emphasis on the portability.
Thanks for the suggestions. Portability is definitely not a factor for me, as I use it as a desktop replacement. I might take it somewhere once a year. I'm just in a very small space, working off a laptop desk in front of my armchair. I've considered switching to a desktop, but then a monitor and keyboard would need to fit on the desk, and be able to move the monitor down out of the way because the tv is across the room behind it. It's less than ideal, so a laptop works best for the space.
I looked at a few of the GEs but only the GE75 10SGS seems to have most of what I want. I probably just need to spend more time convincing myself to compromise, but that doesn't come easily for me! (I tend to get tunnel vision once I set my sights on what I want. Autism brain will do that. Need to practice being more flexible and open to change!)
I definitely want a 17", I'd prefer an i9, but an 8-core i7 would probably be okay, but I do really like the idea of having the desktop processor in a laptop. I want min 32gb RAM, but would prefer 64gb. And I'd like to have at least 4 USB ports (not including type-c... Just type-a), 5 would be better since that's what I have now, but even the GT doesn't come with 5 anymore. Though USB slots can be fixed/added with external ones, just means finding space for that to sit on my desk.


No news from the tech guy yet.
 

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or from GPU name --find notebook //check all in review

MSI GE75 Raider 10SE "slower GPU" SGS -2080 ,,,similar review

,.,.,.rtx 2080 super
 

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If you can compromise, this would have minimal heat issues and more future proof with the latest generation of GPU at a very reasonable price.


If no desire for compromise...

 
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Thanks for the suggestions. Portability is definitely not a factor for me, as I use it as a desktop replacement. I might take it somewhere once a year. I'm just in a very small space, working off a laptop desk in front of my armchair. I've considered switching to a desktop, but then a monitor and keyboard would need to fit on the desk, and be able to move the monitor down out of the way because the tv is across the room behind it. It's less than ideal, so a laptop works best for the space.
I looked at a few of the GEs but only the GE75 10SGS seems to have most of what I want. I probably just need to spend more time convincing myself to compromise, but that doesn't come easily for me! (I tend to get tunnel vision once I set my sights on what I want. Autism brain will do that. Need to practice being more flexible and open to change!)
I definitely want a 17", I'd prefer an i9, but an 8-core i7 would probably be okay, but I do really like the idea of having the desktop processor in a laptop. I want min 32gb RAM, but would prefer 64gb. And I'd like to have at least 4 USB ports (not including type-c... Just type-a), 5 would be better since that's what I have now, but even the GT doesn't come with 5 anymore. Though USB slots can be fixed/added with external ones, just means finding space for that to sit on my desk.


No news from the tech guy yet.
If you are still into the GT series, check out GT76. Spec
4 type A and 2 type C ports. i9 is available from what I know.
 

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If you can compromise, this would have minimal heat issues and more future proof with the latest generation of GPU at a very reasonable price.


If no desire for compromise...

Thanks... Interestingly enough, when I change the first link to .ca instead of .com it switches the entire link to the GE66 instead. The GE66 Raider 10uh-211 - 15.6" specifically. So -211 vs -210, which I imagine is just the Canada vs US version because all specs are the same. So can't get the GE76 in Canada, at least through newegg, but I can check other sellers. And the GE66 is only a 15.6".

Edit: ended up finding some GE76's on newegg, just had to search separately. Which is a pain in the butt to do on my phone. Not sure why it wouldn't show me it while just editing the url, but it didn't.
 
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If you are still into the GT series, check out GT76. Spec
4 type A and 2 type C ports. i9 is available from what I know.
Yes the GT76 is the one I'm dreaming of. Though based off your link you get 3 different builds in the US! The only build available in Canada is the GT76 DT 10SGS. I actually wanted the GT76 9SG or 9SF (? I think?) But only the 10's are available now. And our 10SGS is Windows Pro which I don't need.

So moral of this story, between your post and the one above yours, is that the US has way more and better options than I get here!
 

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Thanks... Interestingly enough, when I change the first link to .ca instead of .com it switches the entire link to the GE66 instead. The GE66 Raider 10uh-211 - 15.6" specifically. So -211 vs -210, which I imagine is just the Canada vs US version because all specs are the same. So can't get the GE76 in Canada, at least through newegg, but I can check other sellers. And the GE66 is only a 15.6".

Edit: ended up finding some GE76's on newegg, just had to search separately. Which is a pain in the butt to do on my phone. Not sure why it wouldn't show me it while just editing the url, but it didn't.
My apologies, I didn't know your location is in Canada same as me....of course in the USA a wider choice is available they have x10 our population...

GE76

GT76
 

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Yes the GT76 is the one I'm dreaming of. Though based off your link you get 3 different builds in the US! The only build available in Canada is the GT76 DT 10SGS. I actually wanted the GT76 9SG or 9SF (? I think?) But only the 10's are available now. And our 10SGS is Windows Pro which I don't need.

So moral of this story, between your post and the one above yours, is that the US has way more and better options than I get here!
GT76 9SG


Last one left...better hurry :)
 

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Yes the GT76 is the one I'm dreaming of. Though based off your link you get 3 different builds in the US! The only build available in Canada is the GT76 DT 10SGS. I actually wanted the GT76 9SG or 9SF (? I think?) But only the 10's are available now. And our 10SGS is Windows Pro which I don't need.

So moral of this story, between your post and the one above yours, is that the US has way more and better options than I get here!
GT76 W10 HOME


P.S. They deliver to Canada with no hassles
 

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@drek4
Wow, thank you for all the links. Really saves time since I'm stuck on my phone for now. I think those newegg ones were the ones I ended up finding as well. Also, noticed msi's site now lists the GE76 Dragon Edition Tiamat that had been announced recently, but the specs page wasn't up yet, or the buy now page, so I may wait to see who ends up selling that one too. If the specs are the exact same as the non-dragon edition I still might opt for it, because I enjoy a more unique look.
Still waiting to hear from my tech guy... Very impatient and annoyed now. (Used him before, he works with a family member. Not shady. Just not his main job so can only look at it when he has time)

Also, high five to a fellow Canadian!
 

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This may sound peculiar, but once I read tiamat, it just linked me to Queen of the damned (film 2002) strangely powerful but decadent, must to wait and see pricing.
I am after all in search of my next laptop, but I prefer to have many, than just one expensive, excessive performance laptop.
High five to you also, my canadian friend :)
 

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Good film!

I definitely only need 1 laptop... So I'm good with expensive, excessive performance, lol. My mom likes to go as cheap as possible for her laptops, and then gets annoyed that it only lasts her a year before she needs a new one... I'm like "you refuse to pay over $600CAD... You get what you pay for!"... So in the spirit of "you get what you pay for" I now take the opposite approach, go as big as possible, so it will last a minimum of 5 years, hopefully longer, before needing to be replaced. I was going to gift my GT70 to my mom since even though it's 6 years older than her HP, it's performance is way better! But I was still in the process of saving for a new one, and then it died. If it's easily fixable I'll probably still get it repaired so she can have it. It's the best computer I've ever owned. I think it was around $3000 when I got it. So it's certainly outlived its price, in my opinion. Hoping whatever I get next will do the same.
 

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Well I agree that you get what you pay for, but if you have one only, then if something happens you're stuck with nothing until the issue is resolved.
I love my PS63 8RDS for personal finances /travel/browsing/light gaming, my GS65 9SD for higher end gaming on a great 144hz with headphones, my P65 8RF for working at home/video encoding+editing/occasional gaming, GL62M 7RDX and GE72 6QF for HDMI gaming on external/movies/browsing, the first in the living room, the latter in the basement and is now used for video encoding+editing, had to sacrifice a few games until I hopefully will get back my P65 8RF. Of course I took back out my X556UQ from it's box for working at home for now. I still have my old P5Q/GTX 260 desktop, with XP, collecting dust in the basement
So I guess that would be enough money to purchase an expensive one, but I enjoy them all very much, each for their unique qualities.
I already feel an urge of getting my next one, still undecided between GE66, GE76, GS66 or Razer Blade 15 Base.
 

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Already available for sale online in the USA...

 

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They're giving away the 2XXX series of late...you can get x2 of GS66 for the same price as a Tiamat...

 
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