Help! my son wants me to buy him parts for making his own gaming tower

gallo158d02dc

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Hi everyone,
I'm new here and need some help asap ................. my son wants me to buy him everything he needs to make a gaming tower. He did give me a list of items including an MSI motherboard but I have no idea if he knows what goes with what. If I put up his list can anyone help me, just to make sure I'm buying the right items? They're soo expensive to build I just don't want to get it wrong for him.

I haven't put down a graphics card because he doesn't know which one he should buy ... any ideas for that too? Maybe ASUS ROG - STRIX RTX3060-O12G-V2- GAMING?

Corsair 4000D Tempered Glass Mid-Tower ATX Case (Solid Steel Front Panel, Tempered Glass Side Panel, Rapid Route Cable Management System, Spacious Interior, Two Included 120 mm Fans) Black

MSI MPG Z490 GAMING PLUS Motherboard ATX, LGA1200, DDR4, LAN, USB 3.2 Gen2, Type C, M.2, DisplayPort, HDMI, Pre-installed I/O Shield, RGB Mystic Light, Gen 4 Ready, 10th Gen Intel Core

G.Skill Trident Z RGB Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin SDRAM PC4-28800 DDR4 3600 CL18-22-22-42 1.35V Dual Channel Desktop Memory Model F4-3600C18D-16GTZR

Corsair CX750F RGB, 80 PLUS Bronze Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (80 PLUS Bronze Certified, 120 mm RGB Fan, Optimised for Low Noise, 105°C Japanese Capacitors, Compact 140 mm Long Casing) Black

Samsung 870 QVO 2 TB SATA 2.5 Inch Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) (MZ-77Q2T0)

Intel Core i7-10700F - 2.90GHz - Socket LGA1200 - 65 Watt - Box

Cooler Master Hyper 212 RGB Black Edition Cooling System - Stylish, Colourful and Precise - 4 Continuous Direct Contact Heat Pipes with Fins, SF120R RGB Fan

Asus XONAR SE 5.1 Gaming Soundcard, PCIe, Hi-Res Audio, 300ohm, 116dB SNR, Headphone Amp


Thanks in advance everyone, I really will appreciate anything
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out of what you have listed i would go for a 750W Gold Rated PSU not the Corsair CX750F RGB, 80 PLUS Bronze Fully Modular ATX Power Supply you have there as that the one part you do not want to go cheap on as its feeding power to everything else.
 

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out of what you have listed i would go for a 750W Gold Rated PSU not the Corsair CX750F RGB, 80 PLUS Bronze Fully Modular ATX Power Supply you have there as that the one part you do not want to go cheap on as its feeding power to everything else.
Hi badboy2k, thank you for that info, I have no idea what I'm doing, I've never done anything like this before. I just want to get it totally right for him first time. I don't want to spoil his Christmas by getting him something that wont work together :)
 

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I would make sure that you can actually get a video card before buying the rest of the stuff. Cards are hard to come by, I just built a new system a while back and only did so after getting the video card.
 

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I would make sure that you can actually get a video card before buying the rest of the stuff. Cards are hard to come by, I just built a new system a while back and only did so after getting the video card.
Hi dvair, do you have any suggestions for one? I haven't got a clue what to look for or if it'll be compatible with all the other components i've listed.

Thanks :)
 

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Hi dvair, do you have any suggestions for one? I haven't got a clue what to look for or if it'll be compatible with all the other components i've listed.

Thanks :)
Is the video card the same as the graphics card? ................ he asked for this one if it is ASUS ROG - STRIX RTX3060-O12G-V2- GAMING ? Does that fit with all the other components do you think?
 

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Hi dvair, do you have any suggestions for one? I haven't got a clue what to look for or if it'll be compatible with all the other components i've listed.

Thanks :)
just avoid Gigabyte as they tend to be a Issue most others are fine.
 

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Hi Laurence ..... i meant ideas for a graphics card that would go with the other components he's picked. Or did you mean something else? :)
Oh I was putting out a bat signal to the resident intel/psu/ram enthusiast. As there is an international graphics/video card shortage, I would see what card you can afford to buy or find first. Buying everything else will be easier once you have that.
 

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Looks like since you are after a 3060 there should be some available. Never have used ASUS cards so can't tell you for sure how it is, but I have used Nvidia based cards and have never had a problem.

I do have that case and it worked well for me. Corsair has one similar one called the airflow that has a grill in front instead of a solid panel for more airflow through the case.

Also, don't cheap out on the power supply that is truly the heart of your system, I always go for a Gold or Platinum level one.
 

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Haha, bat signal! Here i come 😁

The Corsair 4000D is a solid case. But this is where my nodding in agreement about the components already ends, i'm afraid.

First and foremost, i wouldn't get a Z490 board. For one, the Z590 boards were upgraded "across the board" with nicer components and features explained here, and there is currently an issue with the Z490 boards where it's too risky to update the BIOS past a certain version, see !!! Warning: Z490 boards - problem with recent BIOS updates !!!

So instead of Z490 + 10th gen CPU, i would go Z590 + 11th gen (or 10th gen if you find a very good deal on a CPU). What's more, if you go for a good Z590 board model, you don't have to buy a seperate soundcard. Basically anything from the Z590 Torpedo and upwards, like Gaming Plus, Gaming Force, Gaming Edge, Gaming Carbon. Just avoid the lowest-end Z590 "Pro" board models.

As for the CPU. I would prefer a normal model, not an -F model. Yes, you might not use the integrated graphics, but when there is something wrong with the graphics card, you can at least use the PC in the meantime. For gaming, you don't really need an Octacore, so an i5-11600 or -11600K would do. It also stays cooler then the i7 models. Your choice of RAM kit is ok.

Your cooler is ok too, although my pick would be this: https://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cooling/148144-quiet-shadow-rock-slim-2/
It could also look nice together with another component i'll recommend later.

Next we come to the SSD. The Samsung 870 QVO is a bad choice. I don't like the models using QLC flash, i would always get one with TLC flash. And since the board (whichever one you pick) comes with at least two M.2 slots, it makes way more sense to get a faster M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD. My first pick at 2TB would be the Samsung 970 EVO PLUS or the WD Black SN750. Yes, they will cost more than a 870 QVO, but that is a slower SATA drive with a worse/cheap type of flash.

The next point is the PSU. Forget RGB here, it's not about looking pretty. This is the foundation of your system. It needs to be a good model that is at least 80 PLUS Gold certified. My recommendations:
be quiet! Pure Power 11 (CM/FM) or Seasonic Core GM (best-in-class mid-range)
be quiet! Straight Power 11 (Platinum) or Seasonic Focus GX/PX (best-in-class upper mid-range)

Now you see where the "be quiet!" theme could possibly come in. For your system, 650W would be enough. It's not like you're using a very high-end graphics card.

Speaking of which, you only have two choices more or less, considering the current pricing: Radeon RX 6600 (or 6600 XT) or the Geforce RTX 3060.
They're still all heavily overpriced, but what are you gonna do.
 

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Haha, bat signal! Here i come 😁

The Corsair 4000D is a solid case. But this is where my nodding in agreement about the components already ends, i'm afraid.

First and foremost, i wouldn't get a Z490 board. For one, the Z590 boards were upgraded "across the board" with nicer components and features explained here, and there is currently an issue with the Z490 boards where it's too risky to update the BIOS past a certain version, see !!! Warning: Z490 boards - problem with recent BIOS updates !!!

So instead of Z490 + 10th gen CPU, i would go Z590 + 11th gen (or 10th gen if you find a very good deal on a CPU). What's more, if you go for a good Z590 board model, you don't have to buy a seperate soundcard. Basically anything from the Z590 Torpedo and upwards, like Gaming Plus, Gaming Force, Gaming Edge, Gaming Carbon. Just avoid the lowest-end Z590 "Pro" board models.

As for the CPU. I would prefer a normal model, not an -F model. Yes, you might not use the integrated graphics, but when there is something wrong with the graphics card, you can at least use the PC in the meantime. For gaming, you don't really need an Octacore, so an i5-11600 or -11600K would do. It also stays cooler then the i7 models. Your choice of RAM kit is ok.

Your cooler is ok too, although my pick would be this: https://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cooling/148144-quiet-shadow-rock-slim-2/
It could also look nice together with another component i'll recommend later.

Next we come to the SSD. The Samsung 870 QVO is a bad choice. I don't like the models using QLC flash, i would always get one with TLC flash. And since the board (whichever one you pick) comes with at least two M.2 slots, it makes way more sense to get a faster M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD. My first pick at 2TB would be the Samsung 970 EVO PLUS or the WD Black SN750. Yes, they will cost more than a 870 QVO, but that is a slower SATA drive with a worse/cheap type of flash.

The next point is the PSU. Forget RGB here, it's not about looking pretty. This is the foundation of your system. It needs to be a good model that is at least 80 PLUS Gold certified. My recommendations:
be quiet! Pure Power 11 (CM/FM) or Seasonic Core GM (best-in-class mid-range)
be quiet! Straight Power 11 (Platinum) or Seasonic Focus GX/PX (best-in-class upper mid-range)

Now you see where the "be quiet!" theme could possibly come in. For your system, 650W would be enough. It's not like you're using a very high-end graphics card.

Speaking of which, you only have two choices more or less, considering the current pricing: Radeon RX 6600 (or 6600 XT) or the Geforce RTX 3060.
They're still all heavily overpriced, but what are you gonna do.
Sorry for the long delay replying but my little girl is really ill :(

Lawrence, my son said the same thing to me about the graphics card, I take it they used to be a lot cheaper before the pandemic then?
Dvair, everyone I've asked about the case they all say the same so that's a definite buy so far :)

Citay or Batman haha :ROFLMAO: , wow that's a lot of information to take in for little old me lol ....... I haven't shown my son because I want it to all be a surprise for him.

So, so far I still have to get the graphics card (they are soo expensive) and the CPU (he's still insisting on an i7 so i don't know what to do) but I've bought the corsair 4000D tower from Amazon and in my basket at Scan I have these bits ...............

16GB (2x8GB) Corsair DDR4 Vengeance RGB PRO White, PC4-25600 (3200), Non-ECC Unbuff, CAS 16-18-18-36, RGB LED, 1.35V (I've just realised these are white and not black, I cant find them in black to go with the rest of his kit unless I get 2x16GB)

2TB Samsung 970 EVO Plus, M.2 (2280) PCIe 3.0 (x4), NVMe SSD, MLC V-NAND, 3500MB/s Read, 3300MB/s Write, 620k/560k IOPS
850W be quiet! Straight Power 11 Platinum, Fully Modular, 80 PLUS Platinum, Quad Rail, 70A, 135mm Fan, ATX PSU (just in case)
be quiet! Shadow Rock Slim 2 Single Tower CPU Cooler, 4 Heatpipes, 135mm PWM Fan, 160W TDP, Intel/AMD
MSI MPG Z590 GAMING CARBON WIFI, Intel Z590, S 1200, DDR4, SATA3, 3x M.2, CrossFire, 2.5GbE, ax/BT5.2, USB 3.2 Gen2, ATX

Thank you all so so much for all the information and help your giving me, I really appreciate it and would never be able to do this without yous :-)
 
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i5's are good enough for most gaming. I have friends using them constantly. The biggest downside to an i5 is longevity. You'll get another year or 2 of use out of it with an i7 vs an i5 without having to turn things down much.
Personally, I tend to go i7 for anything I want, but that's just me and how I do things.

As far as power supply.....get something that works and has good ratings. And by that, I mean look through something like : https://www.gamingscan.com/psu-hierarchy/ or https://linustechtips.com/topic/1116640-psu-tier-list/
I personally care VERY LITTLE about the 'bronze/silver/gold/platinum' for a power supply. It is NOT indicative of quality of a supply. Those ratings merely mean they have a certain efficiency under certain conditions, and it's very possible to have a really bad 'platinum' supply, while a 'bronze' supply could very well be of better quality and design. This is something I caution people on constantly. Those 'ratings' are a poor example of confusing the consumer into thinking they're getting something good. And if I'm perfectly honest, those efficiencies mean very little for MOST users....
All that being said, the be quiet straight power 11 is a good supply from what I can see and read about. Most reviews praise it, although they do mention it is pricey. I also question if you need that much power, even with the system you're building. Even with a 3060 or 6600XT, you'd most likely be OK with a 600W supply. 850W would be good enough for a 3080Ti, or even a 3090 at this point with an i9.
Again, nothing wrong with what you're picking, it definitely allows for upgrading in the future. And if you're OK with the price, then go for it. All I'm really trying to say is that for what you're building it's a bit overkill.
 

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Sorry for the long delay replying but my little girl is really ill :(

Lawrence, my son said the same thing to me about the graphics card, I take it they used to be a lot cheaper before the pandemic then?
Dvair, everyone I've asked about the case they all say the same so that's a definite buy so far :)

Citay or Batman haha :ROFLMAO: , wow that's a lot of information to take in for little old me lol ....... I haven't shown my son because I want it to all be a surprise for him.

So, so far I still have to get the graphics card (they are soo expensive) and the CPU (he's still insisting on an i7 so i don't know what to do) but I've bought the corsair 4000D tower from Amazon and in my basket at Scan I have these bits ...............

16GB (2x8GB) Corsair DDR4 Vengeance RGB PRO White, PC4-25600 (3200), Non-ECC Unbuff, CAS 16-18-18-36, RGB LED, 1.35V (I've just realised these are white and not black, I cant find them in black to go with the rest of his kit unless I get 2x16GB)

2TB Samsung 970 EVO Plus, M.2 (2280) PCIe 3.0 (x4), NVMe SSD, MLC V-NAND, 3500MB/s Read, 3300MB/s Write, 620k/560k IOPS
850W be quiet! Straight Power 11 Platinum, Fully Modular, 80 PLUS Platinum, Quad Rail, 70A, 135mm Fan, ATX PSU (just in case)
be quiet! Shadow Rock Slim 2 Single Tower CPU Cooler, 4 Heatpipes, 135mm PWM Fan, 160W TDP, Intel/AMD
MSI MPG Z590 GAMING CARBON WIFI, Intel Z590, S 1200, DDR4, SATA3, 3x M.2, CrossFire, 2.5GbE, ax/BT5.2, USB 3.2 Gen2, ATX

Thank you all so so much for all the information and help your giving me, I really appreciate it and would never be able to do this without yous :-)
A lot cheaper, today cards are 2-3x the price new and used. And it will get worse before things improve in 2023. Hopefully you can get a good quality graphics card.
 

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Always glad to help!

So, so far I still have to get the graphics card (they are soo expensive) and the CPU (he's still insisting on an i7 so i don't know what to do)
I don't know, how old is your son, how well-informed is he? I'd just get him the i5-11600K, to be honest. For gaming it makes very little difference, but the i7 can draw a lot higher peak power due to its extra two cores. So you might have to upgrade your CPU cooler to a "be quiet! Dark Rock 4" for example if you go for an i7. What really makes the difference for gaming performance is the graphics card, and there you are pretty limited because of the insane price level at the moment. But especially at higher monitor resolutions, the graphics card is what makes or breaks the gaming performance, i5 to i7 on the CPU makes a low single-digit percent performance difference, if anything. So for gaming, whatever money you have to spend, prioritize the graphics card. Again, easier said than done at the moment, supply and demand are totally out of whack there for various reasons.

I agree with darkhawk that the PSU wattage is a bit overkill if you're using a Geforce 3060 or Radeon RX 6600, because they're quite frugal. Normally you'd get an 850W PSU if you have a more high-end graphics card, because they become the most power-hungry component in the whole PC then.

I only mentioned 80 PLUS Gold as the minimum standard for the PSU because your original PSU was only 80 PLUS Bronze certified. It's not that 80 PLUS Gold rated PSUs are always fantastic, they can still cut corners on them. But an 80 PLUS Bronze unit definitely would've been a mismatch for the kind of PC you're building. Most of the PSUs with RGB also put style over substance. The be quiet! PSU is really good, you could go to the 750W model, that would suffice.
 
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