How to disable 4070 Super PCIe Power-savings mode??

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This is a first. I've never encountered a graphics card that wants to stay in pcie 1.1 mode at all times until/unless a "3D application" is running (and evne then, it takes a few moments to switch, sometimes resulting in stutters). It also means that my "frame buffer" graph in MSI afterburner is going CRAZY at all times when the card is not in a game, even at complete idle, I guess due to the shrunken memory bandwidth of being in pcie 1.1 mode instead of 3.0 (or even 2.0) mode. I can watch it 'step up' from 1.1 -> 2.0 -> 3.0 each time I put a load on the card.

Right now I am troubleshooting some strange issues (and mystery sounds....like morse muffled morse code) coming from my PC ever since installing the card. I would REALLY like to disable this 'feature' if at all possible. I don't know if it's something built-in to the card's BIOS or if it's related to the new Nvidia power connector, but in any case I would love to know how I can disable it (temporarily, permanently, whatever...).

Please help. Thank you.
 
This may work not 100% also some Powersaving settings are in the Bios for the Motherboard to do with PCIE Power
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This may work not 100% also some Powersaving settings are in the Bios for the Motherboard to do with PCIE Power
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Nah. If I set my card to stay in maximum performance mode globally, it DOES tend to stay in 3.0 mode more often than before (and therefore the frame buffer % usage steadies here and there instead of fluctuating WILDLY at all times, even at idle). I've tested this already. But this is hardly something that would be considered a fix, considering it does much more than just have the card sit in 3.0 mode. It also has it at maximum clocks, etc (albeit not actually loading the card).

I've tried disabling ASPM in my BIOS (all 4 or 5 different settings regarding it) to no avail. Something else is going on here. It's not just my card, as I've seen multiple threads/posts where people mention it or wonder why it is permanently set like this. My 1080ti's (both of them) stay in 3.0 mode. All 3 7000 series AMD cards I've used recently stay in 3.0 mode. I've never actually had one that drops down like this (I am aware it happens with some cards, though). But, yea, something else is going on here as I cannot seem to disable it from any of the power management features in BIOS or in Windows (10 - latest).

I would LOVE to know why these 4000 cards do it (at least the 4070 super) and if there is an "official" route to disabling it, making the card behave just like all the other cards I've used. I personally have no need for the card dropping into pcie 1.1 mode constantly unless there's some reason it HAS to be enabled (to avoid power cables melting or something, ;).


If anyone thinks they can help it would be IMMENSELY appreciated... Please just send me a DM to my inbox here or on Reddit (Dragaan13). THANK YOU.

EDIT: Also trying to figure out why voltage monitoring/adjusting is permanently disabled on these cards as well. I've heard people with other brand 4070 Super cards say they were able to undervolt just fine in MSI Afterburner, but the MSI cards themselves seem to be unable to use those settings in the MSI Afterburner app for whatever reason. (it's POSSIBLE these people meant that they were able to do it indirectly through editing the Curve in Afterburner, but at least one, an ASUS card owner, specifically mentioned using the slider and being able to monitor voltage). Kinda sucks that I have to use other apps (GPU-Z, HWinfo64, etc.) to even MONITOR voltage (I've tried all the tricks like editing the config file, etc. - can't even get monitoring and a voltage % slider, let alone actual specific voltage control).
 

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Kinda sucks that I have to use other apps (GPU-Z, HWinfo64, etc.) to even MONITOR voltage (I've tried all the tricks like editing the config file, etc. - can't even get monitoring and a voltage % slider, let alone actual specific voltage control).
Did you try updating AB to the latest version since the 4070 Supers had to be added to the AB data base
 
I did not even notice there WAS a new version! (even when I clicked "check for updates" after finding the new version on guru3d, it still says there's no new update, beta or otherwise, lol). But, yea, I found it on guru3d where I guess it was uploaded 3 days ago. Installed it and that did the trick (at least for the monitoring and the slider - I have no idea how or even if they allow for actual numerical voltage offset but since I'm not planning on OVERvolting, this should be good enough). So thanks for pointing it out. Wasn't even on the official afterburner site yet, heh.

I wonder if doing the config-editing "trick" would enable actual voltage offsets? Like where you manually enter that EULA confirmation into the .ini. I assume it may just not be possible on newer cards.

EDIT: Lowering the voltage % slider doesn't seem to do anything :/ So I guess undervolting isn't possible in this manner. Unless I'm missing something. I've tried both the standard and extended profiles (in the settings). Oh well. At least I can monitor voltage. And last version stopped my card from going to 1.1v when using the "curve" setting obtained via auto oc/scanner (it stopped at 1.095). With the new version it goes to 1.1 and even 1.12 at times. Good for OC, I guess. Still would be nice to be able to use the slider to affect voltage.
 
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I did not even notice there WAS a new version! (even when I clicked "check for updates" after finding the new version on guru3d, it still says there's no new update, beta or otherwise, lol). But, yea, I found it on guru3d where I guess it was uploaded 3 days ago. Installed it and that did the trick (at least for the monitoring and the slider - I have no idea how or even if they allow for actual numerical voltage offset but since I'm not planning on OVERvolting, this should be good enough). So thanks for pointing it out. Wasn't even on the official afterburner site yet, heh.

I wonder if doing the config-editing "trick" would enable actual voltage offsets? Like where you manually enter that EULA confirmation into the .ini. I assume it may just not be possible on newer cards.
Yep looks like teh new GPU had to be added to the Afterburner database so they would be recognised correctly.
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I apologize for bringing this thread up once more, but so far I've never been able to get an answer from anyone about the frame buffer usage of my card at idle (screenshot linked in one of my above posts). I ASSUME that this is due to the card dropping into pcie 1.1 mode (and therefore , shrinking the bandwidth? not sure how that works exactly)? All I know is that my computer is making this mystery noise, sort of like a VERY muffled/quiet floppy drive (a:\, from back in the day if you are old like me) working/griding away, and it's bothering me a lot because my computer is on 24/7 in my room and I am in this room much of the day (working, gaming, sleeping, watching movies - I'm on the ocmputer a lot and it is on 24/7 for about 355 days a year). I was thinking the noise could possibly have something to do with the activity I see in that graph (?)

The noise seemed to start around the time I installed the card. It isn't always there, but I'm starting to notice that it is now happening any time I game and then STAYING there for many hours afterwards (12-16 hours after gaming, even if computer is at complete idle that entire time, sitting on the desktop). It's a very quiet noise, but because it isn't a constant low noise (like the sound of low rpm fans) and more of a broken-up electrical hum/buzzing it is a bit bothersome (again, very quiet, but easily perceptible to me because of my proximity to the computer and the fact that it's always on and I'm always around it). Anyway, I try and block it out by having several floor fans running (even if facing completely away from me) and a low-vol white noise machine in the room, but it still nags at me due to the fact that it could be the gpu and, if it is, it's doing it when NOT in use (even at idle) and I'm not sure what that means for the gpu/psu/etc.

Just wanted someone to take a look at the picture I uploaded up above (the MSI Afterburner Frame Buffer graph attached to one of my older posts) and tell me if that is how it should look at idle for the 4070 Super (or any of these 4000-series cards that drop into pcie 1.1 mode when not actively playing a 3D game). If someone who has a 4070 Super or newer Nvidia card can show me a SS of their FB% graph (or the gpu-z equivalent - I think it's "memory interface" usage) and it looks the same I would be much relieved.

Sry for words. I type a lot. But I would love an answer to this question (not the noise but just about the FB% usage at idle). My graph ALWAYS looks like that when not gaming. I've never seen anything like it with any other gpu I've used monitoring software with (980 ti, 1080, 2 1080ti's, 2 7800XT's, 7900XT).

Thank you.

EDIT: I'm attaching another screenshot. This is a SS I took after noticing annoying fan ups and downs while I was in a game but not playing. I noticed the game had gone into pcie 2.0 mode (not 1.1) after the 3D combat part of this game, once it went into this 2D dialog part. I would think the card shoudl stay in pcie3.0 (or 4.0, but my mobo is 3.0 only) whenever you're in a game, period, but I guess not? Is this also the intended operation of these new nvidia cards? To drop down to a lower mode (like 2.0) whenever it detects that the game isn't at that moment in need of a lot of "juice"? I've noticed as well in some cutscenes in certain games that the wattage will drop down to like 7-10watts (where it was using 100+ moments before) once a cutscene starts (or at the very start of a game when it's first loading), and sometimes it will be very choppy during the cutscene (or loading screens/scenes). Not sure if that's just the game(s) or if it has to do with this pcie mode-shifting behavior. Is this just normal behavior for these cards?
 

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Here is another screenshot. Was just watching youtube videos earlier and I pulled up the afterburner graphs (I periodically do this, even with my old card the 1080 ti). Don't remember things being so.... busy... with previous card(s). Should I not be worried about this at all? Is this all normal for the modern cards?
 

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ok... thank you. Again, I apologize for sounding like I'm freaking out over this. It's just that this is the first upgrade in 7+ years (1080 ti), and I've just never seen activity like this and I've been trying to figure out if this is normal for newer/RTX cards or if this is something I should consider an exchange/return for (as I STILL have about 3 weeks left to do so). So far, PERFORMANCE has been basically as good as I can expect, aside from a couple games where DLSS looked totally awful (including one - witcher 3 nge - where it looks straight-up broken). So if it's all totally normal behavior (ie all cards do this) then I guess I have nothing to worry about in the future. Going to leave one last screenshot here, though. JUST finished playing a game called Nova Drift. extremely low hardware requirements (probably can run on a 10yr old laptop at max/60fps). Again, a little weirded out by the sensor readings, mainly because it seems to be getting stranger and stranger-looking over time (the graph readings in general, for any game).

This will be my last post here. Going to assume there's nothing to be worried about unless told otherwise (as I am not a hardware person or electritian, heh). thanks for the replies so far.
 

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It seems typical of what I am seeing on mine
Could just be that with the newer GPU windows offload some CPU tasks to the GPU instead as it is better suited for them
 
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