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Warner

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Hello boys and girls,

This is in regards to motherboard products only.

We are collecting suggestions for improvement, this can be anything, BIOS, design, features, etc.
So anything is welcome and we will forward them to HQ for reviewing.

I will be the first to write.
1. Offset & Manual mode for voltage setting.

Thank you.

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Warner
 

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1. More XL-ATX offerings, maybe with a single PCI slot on it not buried by a second dual slot VGA. :-))
2. On multi BIOS chip mainboards, at least one of the chips 'removable'. ;) Just think of the convenience and the shipping cost savings alone if the chips get bricked! :idea:

3. Additional hardware (chips or whatever) to make these 16 PCI-E lane CPU mainboards have more lanes available. :yes:

And of course, a +1 on Warner's 1. regarding offset. :rolleyes:

Plenty of advance notice to HQ and incorporation possibility for all of the above with the Haswell LGA 1150 releases? :think:
 

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For me what i wish it had a simple oamp for headphone use. The quality of the realtek audio is good enough for the common user but lacks power. The THX software works really nice and i am not particularly fan of virtual speaker software but for the 1st time i see some sense in using it.
 

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Strongly support the offset voltage as stated by Warner.  :biggthumbsup:
One PCI slot at least on all mid to upper range boards.
One board in each series that has built in bluetooth and/or wireless, providing the user with the choice.
User manuals that explain each BIOS functions better in the English language.
Start to listen and support Linux users.
 

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Lol, you opened up a can of worms. Here are a few things that I have thought about recently.

Clear recommendation on the website & boxes of VGA's on what the power requirements complete with 12v rail requirements.

Better release notes on the website in regards to bios updates.

Remove bios updates from Live Update

Tool tips inside uefi bios, perhaps even with recommendations. (That can be turned off)
Ie: If you mouse over vdroop it would give you a definition, not unlike you get in Click Bios II.

Hardware switch multi bios on all boards, even if it costs more, its worth the money.


Uniform Vdroop function across platforms. (I don't know if this is possible, but it would be cool) So even if a lower end board didn't have as many options, it would still be for instance 25% 50% et al.

If you can't make a platform seamlessly compatible with a new product. Don't make it compatible. IE: 125 watt cpu's and exploding vrms & P67 me7 --> me8 issues; A good example is the p67a-gd65 (B3) - this doesn't even have pci3.0 capability so I have trouble figuring out why an IVY cpu matters. (We can argue in another thread if you want not here...lol)

No horizontal headers! Ie: Z77a-gd80 usb 3.0 header

Edit: Raid ability for any additional sata controller. IE: Asmedia or w/er
 

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Sorry xmad, but I like the horizontal headers concept. Especially for the JFP1 and JFP2 that can sometimes be under a second or third VGA that has been installed. Often, the case connectors have to be modified to fit underneath a VGA for example.

Supplemental to Reply #1;

4. Place the battery in a spot that doesn't always get covered up with an add-in card! It's a PITA to have to remove a component all the time to remove it for a full CMOS clear.
5. Draft a new mission statement for the BIOS engineers to produce a revision that doesn't fix one thing and break two others. :duck:
 

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It's not just that the header is horizontal, the pins are also easily bent. Ie: the usb 3.0 on the top of the board. horizontal, it's that the pins on the z77a are long and fragile. Where it is located, once installed it is easy to mess them up if you need to plug / unplug that for w/er reason.
 

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I agree with the minimum of 1 PCI slot. Far too many PCI cards still in the market place to have eliminated the slots on current MBs. There are a still lot of us that need 2 PCI slots. I also agree with the dual BIOS MBs having 1 of the chips plug in/removable for inexpensive replacement or flashing to greatly reduce shipping costs at both ends when needed. Actually I think single BIOS chip MBs and primary BIOS chip on multi chip MB should be plug in. Far too many moron BIOS flashers these days.
 

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+1 on the stopping of Live Update being involved with BIOS update function. :yes:

Great idea beyond my recommendation XFM! At least one replaceable BIOS chip on all the mainboard models. Serious savings for everyone, MSI 'and' the end user costs would be dramatically reduced. :biggthumbsup:' No more end user BIOS failure related hassles and pulling everything apart to have to send or take the board in for service.
 

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+1 to Froggys suggestion of replacable bios chip especially when they only have 1 chip on the board as 1 bad flash = dead motherboard! for the ones with 2 give them 1 removable one and the other could be hard soldered and for boards with 3 bios chips leave them be with fully soldiered chips as 3 bad flashed is neerly impossible to happen!
 

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badboy2k said:
+1 to Froggys suggestion of replacable bios chip especially when they only have 1 chip on the board as 1 bad flash = dead motherboard! for the ones with 2 give them 1 removable one and the other could be hard soldered and for boards with 3 bios chips leave them be with fully soldiered chips as 3 bad flashed is neerly impossible to happen!
The BBX II has a third chip that can be removed. This is still a great idea for the reason if a new usupported CPU is released, the chip can be easily swapped out for one that supports the new CPU with a lot less hassle or cost.
 

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true it would! or just let MSI flash a chip with a bios and ship it to you for a small fee eg $5-10 a time and let them make a little money from it at the same time by them having the sockets (also people who are terrified about flashing there bios could just order a chip that supports what they have and pop it in if they had sockets)! (cheaper then doing a RMA or getting another CPU for sure!)

the removable type chips have more benifits for the end user and manufacturer if they just spent the small ammount extra to fit them!

updated bios chips sent out as needed to people: who dont have time to keep doing flashes --- are scared about flashing there bios and ruining the board --- accidental bad flashes wont perminantly brick a board --- people who flash the wrong bios to there board and brick it and so on would benifit from this type of simple but effective implimentation of Bios chips that can be replaced easily if needed (really its a safty feature and id be happy to pay a little more for a board to start that had one rather then a board that doesn't)!
 

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badboy2k said:
true it would! or just let MSI flash a chip with a bios and ship it to you for a small fee eg $5-10 a time and let them make a little money from it at the same time by them having the sockets (also people who are terrified about flashing there bios could just order a chip that supports what they have and pop it in if they had sockets)! (cheaper then doing a RMA or getting another CPU for sure!)

the removable type chips have more benifits for the end user and manufacturer if they just spent the small ammount extra to fit them!

updated bios chips sent out as needed to people: who dont have time to keep doing flashes --- are scared about flashing there bios and ruining the board --- accidental bad flashes wont perminantly brick a board --- people who flash the wrong bios to there board and brick it and so on would benifit from this type of simple but effective implimentation of Bios chips that can be replaced easily if needed (really its a safty feature and id be happy to pay a little more for a board to start that had one rather then a board that doesn't)!
:biggthumbsup: I think Warner gets the message on this to pass along to the powers that be! :yes:
 

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yep they are the best thing to me of anything as they save time and reduce problems for everyone!
 

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A sticker on the proper dimms to be installed.

Ie: INSTALL MEMORY HERE 1ST, 2ND, 3RD ETC

I know the next comment will be, well it is in the directions, and it is but I think this would be a good thing.
 

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A sticker on the proper dimms to be installed.
If we go that far, then maybe a sticker on the board that says, download and read the user manual first.  :undecided:  :nooo:
 

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Perhaps a support service that may benefit many users would be an ISO image in the downloads section of all MBs that contains all the drivers. Would help those where the discs are missing when they open the box, like it happened to me.
These ISO images could be updated to always contain the lastest drivers. That way the user can download the complete driver set in one go.
Keep the individual files as well.
 

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My suggestion is to keep the most important things on jumpers... people usually do not touch that. Example.. bios: there are two bioses on some mobos, but after a "bad" flash often mobos becomes bricked anyway. You could do two bioses on jumpers: [1,2] - upgradeabale, editable the defauld one, and jumpers [2,3] non upgradeable, the universal spare one, that if something in flashing goes wrond, It will fix it. Example: Mobo gets flashed with wrong bios and it seems broken, then we cross jumpers from 1,2 to 2,3 and mobo boots in kind of save state and updates the first bios and some components with default factory settings, then recross to 1,2 and have fresh working board. Is it sci-fi or something that can be done? That's an one, The other one is a bios flashing.. It suposed to be done only one way - throught the bios from usb or hdd.
 

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The upper end boards all have multiplie bios operated by a hardware switch.  :biggthumbsup:

It suposed to be done only one way - throught the bios from usb or hdd.
Agreed! remove bios updates from live update or, let people know that one is available and they get a link here or to a FAQ on bios flashing. Automatic windows bios updates are worse than scary!
 

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Well... there's too much to say anyway.. I've been building pc's for at least 10 years, and since then I've got just second one bad bios flash situation...
 
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