INTEL Core I9 12900H Performance Question

[Grieverokami]

Well I prefer IPS, great durability, great viewing angles, good response times, bright enough for me, alright day and night, medium energy consumption.

Yeah i think i agree here. Both in and out of gameplay, the colour and contrast is pretty easy on the eyes compared to the other displays like OLED.

OLED, insane response times, might have image burn issues, very bright screen, high energy consumption.

Do you find that with OLED and miniLED the contrast makes things too dark? In that the dark areas of the screen in certain games really stand out from the really bright colours if that makes sense?

mini LED, poor viewing angles, slower response times, very bright screen, medium energy consumption.

Is that why Apple Macbook displays have such slow response times when gaming? It seems like smearing is a problem on displays like these.

 

[drek4]

Yeah i think i agree here. Both in and out of gameplay, the colour and contrast is pretty easy on the eyes compared to the other displays like OLED.

I like the colors to be vivid, but not bright like sunlight, I could understand, if you use the laptop outside a lot, but that's not my case.

Do you find that with OLED and miniLED the contrast makes things too dark? In that the dark areas of the screen in certain games really stand out from the really bright colours if that makes sense?

That's another reason why I prefer IPS, you don't have to constantly change settings, if you play during gaming daylight and then go to night gaming.
The colours and dark are very intense with OLED, at least for me they are, I guess your eyesight is similar to mine.

Is that why Apple Macbook displays have such slow response times when gaming? It seems like smearing is a problem on displays like these.

Well I never heard about anyone buying an Apple for gaming, most will use it for coding, video encoding/editing, graphic design, or for portability,
it has great battery life and is portable and quiet, but at the expense of gaming performance.
So for a work computer it has it's value, but other than that, you better have a second laptop or desktop for gaming.

The smearing in the display, is called ghosting, that occurs if the response times are inadequate,
tearing will occur when the refresh rate is inadequate.

 

[Grieverokami]

That's another reason why I prefer IPS, you don't have to constantly change settings, if you play during gaming daylight and then go to night gaming.
The colours and dark are very intense with OLED, at least for me they are, I guess your eyesight is similar to mine.

I think that's the case with me as well. If sensory overload is a thing, i most definitely experience that with bright and colourful games. Watching kids play Splatoon and Smash Brothers on the Nintendo Switch comes to mind. It can be headache inducing at times. So far with the Primary display, I have turned the brightness down to the lowest possible for browsing. In-motion rendering when playing games like Horizon: Zero Dawn look really great. The bright oranges and pinks do pop out quite beautifully in motion coupled with the variable refresh rate. Even on the lowest brightness. One can only imagine how it would look on OLED. Whether its worth the the lack of 1440p resolution you get with the 15" laptop version is another matter.

Well I never heard about anyone buying an Apple for gaming, most will use it for coding, video encoding/editing, graphic design, or for portability,
it has great battery life and is portable and quiet, but at the expense of gaming performance.
So for a work computer it has it's value, but other than that, you better have a second laptop or desktop for gaming.

On the rare occasion, i have seen some kids play Fortnite on Macbook Air. Because Macbooks have by default really good displays, I was under the assumption that all that visual power would come at the cost of response times. From my really limited time with one, I found moving the mouse to be quite input heavy.

The smearing in the display, is called ghosting, that occurs if the response times are inadequate,
tearing will occur when the refresh rate is inadequate.

Thanks, thats the word i was looking for. So far havent experienced ghosting on either display. Horizontal lines splitting the screen in cutscenes is a somewhat common problem though.

 

[drek4]

I think that's the case with me as well. If sensory overload is a thing, i most definitely experience that with bright and colourful games. Watching kids play Splatoon and Smash Brothers on the Nintendo Switch comes to mind. It can be headache inducing at times. So far with the Primary display, I have turned the brightness down to the lowest possible for browsing. In-motion rendering when playing games like Horizon: Zero Dawn look really great. The bright oranges and pinks do pop out quite beautifully in motion coupled with the variable refresh rate. Even on the lowest brightness. One can only imagine how it would look on OLED. Whether its worth the the lack of 1440p resolution you get with the 15" laptop version is another matter.

Yeah I'm not too much of a fan of very cartoony games, Zelda and Mario was fun, but got old fast, World of Warcraft,
I played way too many years on that, until it became nothing but a perpetual grind, I just don't have the desire of doing
a session of Fortnite or Overwatch, more into games like The Division 2, World of Warships, Far Cry series, AC series,
Doom series (for the gore), Days Gone, LOU2, etc

On the rare occasion, i have seen some kids play Fortnite on Macbook Air. Because Macbooks have by default really good displays, I was under the assumption that all that visual power would come at the cost of response times. From my really limited time with one, I found moving the mouse to be quite input heavy.

Apple is all candy, not much meat, but some like that.

Thanks, thats the word i was looking for. So far havent experienced ghosting on either display. Horizontal lines splitting the screen in cutscenes is a somewhat common problem though.

My issue is more with tearing on my external TV, when I game in 4K @ 60Hz, I have to lower the CPU Mhz in some games,
so that I don't go over 80ish FPS, to avoid this. Another reason why I seldom play on my laptops that have 60Hz screens.
So shooters I switch to 120Hz all the time, to keep it enjoyable, when on external.

 

[Grieverokami]

Yeah I'm not too much of a fan of very cartoony games, Zelda and Mario was fun, but got old fast, World of Warcraft,
I played way too many years on that, until it became nothing but a perpetual grind, I just don't have the desire of doing
a session of Fortnite or Overwatch, more into games like The Division 2, World of Warships, Far Cry series, AC series,
Doom series (for the gore), Days Gone, LOU2, etc

Funnily enough, Im the opposite. I'll take colorful art direction over Grim photo realism most of the time. Depends on what mood Im in. Fighting games like Guilty Gear and Street Fighter are often my go to when it comes to beautiful art direction. I enjoy watching them in motion. The new Guilty Gear however is a real mixed bag in terms of visuals. This time round the visuals are while still spectacular, now look a little washed out and a little darker than the previous XRD game. Which was a lot more colorful.
Then we come to the gameplay where there are so many effects and stats happening on screen, and so much to keep track of that it becomes borderline headache inducing. Maybe Im just getting older, but i feel like the visuals are a bit of a step down from the previous games in the series. There's just so much onscreen feedback that it becomes overwhelming and overall not as fun to play.

Another weird issue i came across, when playing on the SAMSUNG, the game only allows a max resolution of 720p. On Laptop full 1080p. Don't know why that's the case. Also i couldn't capture it here but the screen tearing in prefight and postfight cut scenes is pretty noticeable. Particularly on the SAMSUNG.

Ill say this though. I love fighting games because of how easy most og them are to run on older systems. This game surprisingly still works on the GP62 Leopard PRO albeit at sub 60fps.

 

[drek4]

What do you generally look for in a display when buying? Often i find the one i have seems a bit dim sometimes.

I forgot to mention, that as long as the refresh rate is over 120Hz for gaming, I'm fine with that,
since I compared with 60Hz, 120Hz, 144Hz, 240Hz, I can see a difference between 60Hz and 120Hz,
but once it goes past 120Hz, I fail to see any difference.

You want to get a screen with around 300nits, so that it won't be too dim.

 

[Grieverokami]

I forgot to mention, that as long as the refresh rate is over 120Hz for gaming, I'm fine with that,
since I compared with 60Hz, 120Hz, 144Hz, 240Hz, I can see a difference between 60Hz and 120Hz,
but once it goes past 120Hz, I fail to see any difference.

You want to get a screen with around 300nits, so that it won't be too dim.

Got it. I tend to keep all laptops and devices indoors anyway so having a bright screen and a glossy display isn't something I'm normally interested in. Having said that i was wondering if anyone has tried to install a glass protector similar to the ones you see on mobile phones? Tempered glass if you will? My screen does attract a lot of dust in lint in a rather short space of time after cleaning it in a span of about a week.

 

[drek4]

Got it. I tend to keep all laptops and devices indoors anyway so having a bright screen and a glossy display isn't something I'm normally interested in. Having said that i was wondering if anyone has tried to install a glass protector similar to the ones you see on mobile phones? Tempered glass if you will? My screen does attract a lot of dust in lint in a rather short space of time after cleaning it in a span of about a week.

I just close the screen every time I close the laptop when I go to work or sleep and put the cloth sleeve that came with it over it.
Now I just need to clean my laptops maybe once every 2 months on the outside and screen, by doing this.

 

[Grieverokami]

I just close the screen every time I close the laptop when I go to work or sleep and put the cloth sleeve that came with it over it.
Now I just need to clean my laptops maybe once every 2 months on the outside and screen, by doing this.

Oh it's almost a ritual in my case. Unfortunately, no microfiber cloth sleeve. Mine came with a plastic sleeve. I pack mine away in a bulky Laptop travel bag every night. Used to close the lid with that cloth that protects the screen. Till that got frayed to no end. Not ideal but it is effective.
As for screen cleaner, this Handboss cleaning kit seems to do the job just as well as anything else on the market,

 

[drek4]

Oh it's almost a ritual in my case. Unfortunately, no microfiber cloth sleeve. Mine came with a plastic sleeve. I pack mine away in a bulky Laptop travel bag every night. Used to close the lid with that cloth that protects the screen. Till that got frayed to no end. Not ideal but it is effective.
As for screen cleaner, this Handboss cleaning kit seems to do the job just as well as anything else on the market,

I just use a damp cloth every 2 months, does the job in my case.

 

[Grieverokami]

I just use a damp cloth every 2 months, does the job in my case.

I see. The thing is, I have used some pound shop level screen wipes from the UK. While they are easy to use for screen cleaning, they have a tendency to leave highly visible wet streaks on the screen. i also used them to clean both the screen and keyboard on the GP62-6QF for a while and to my horror, The top layer of the keys started to peel off! It's a real shame because the keyboard on that laptop is infinitely better and more usable than the one on the Crosshair 17. So yeah i think it's better to stick with microfiber cloths and cleaners for now. No wet streaks so far.

 

[Grieverokami]

Game: Season: A Letter To The Future
Profile: Balanced w/Cooler Boost
Display: Samsung Smart TV 60hz
CPU Temps: 80-95c
GPU Temps: 41-50c
Even with smaller indie titles, the CPU is pretty toasty most of the time. Put simply this game is borderline unplayable without some noise cancelling headphones. Game relies on voiced dialogue and ambience as part of the core gameplay mechanics and general experience. Cooler Boost negates all that. Still performance is generally good. But the frame times and stuttering during cutscenes are utterly wild. Don't know if its the game or the laptop. At least the game isn't demanding. And it looks low key gorgeous.

EDIT
I'm not sure whats going on here but does anyone think something is off here? Is this a sign of poor power efficiency?

 

[drek4]

Game: Season: A Letter To The Future
Profile: Balanced w/Cooler Boost
Display: Samsung Smart TV 60hz
CPU Temps: 80-95c
GPU Temps: 41-50c
Even with smaller indie titles, the CPU is pretty toasty most of the time. Put simply this game is borderline unplayable without some noise cancelling headphones. Game relies on voiced dialogue and ambience as part of the core gameplay mechanics and general experience. Cooler Boost negates all that. Still performance is generally good. But the frame times and stuttering during cutscenes are utterly wild. Don't know if its the game or the laptop. At least the game isn't demanding. And it looks low key gorgeous.
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EDIT
I'm not sure whats going on here but does anyone think something is off here? Is this a sign of poor power efficiency?

Well some games are just more CPU intensive, Civilization series, GTA series, Flight simulator series, Minecraft, CSGO, etc.
That's why when you see that your CPU is in high usage, but your GPU is in low usage, many older games fit this category.

 

[Grieverokami]

Well some games are just more CPU intensive, Civilization series, GTA series, Flight simulator series, Minecraft, CSGO, etc.
That's why when you see that your CPU is in high usage, but your GPU is in low usage, many older games fit this category.

That makes sense. This is a CPU heavy game after all by the looks of it.
Is it bad then if hypothetically speaking, a 7th gen console game or a 3D point and click adventure game is running at roughly the same level of efficiency? I haven't tried it yet but if Mass Effect LE is anything to go by. I suspect that would be the case. It could definitely be better from looking at this.
So would an AMD equivalent chipset have roughly the same baseline performance in terms of temps and power draw? Discourse online suggests AMD CPU's have better efficiency over INTEL overall.

Processor Comparison - Head 2 Head

Intel Core i9-12900H vs AMD Ryzen 9 6900HX - Benchmarks, Tests and Comparisons

www.notebookcheck.net

 

[drek4]

That makes sense. This is a CPU heavy game after all by the looks of it.
Is it bad then if hypothetically speaking, a 7th gen console game or a 3D point and click adventure game is running at roughly the same level of efficiency? I haven't tried it yet but if Mass Effect LE is anything to go by. I suspect that would be the case. It could definitely be better from looking at this.
So would an AMD equivalent chipset have roughly the same baseline performance in terms of temps and power draw? Discourse online suggests AMD CPU's have better efficiency over INTEL overall.

Processor Comparison - Head 2 Head

Intel Core i9-12900H vs AMD Ryzen 9 6900HX - Benchmarks, Tests and Comparisons

www.notebookcheck.net

Well I guess that depends on what CPU your using for the compare, the 6xxxH seemed very efficient on battery, but on the latest they seem to put aside efficiency,
for more power, to challenge Intel for the coveted #1 position, for performance, anyways, whatever will insure that Intel strives to be the best, can only be a benefit,
to us all, let the competition wars wage on.

 

[Grieverokami]

Well I guess that depends on what CPU your using for the compare, the 6xxxH seemed very efficient on battery, but on the latest they seem to put aside efficiency,
for more power, to challenge Intel for the coveted #1 position, for performance, anyways, whatever will insure that Intel strives to be the best, can only be a benefit,
to us all, let the competition wars wage on.

I just used whatever came up on notebook check. In our region we don't see much in the way of AMD CPU's in any capacity. Still going with the "Core I7 = Fast" mentality so AMD is really a novel concept for the local market. That's my impression anyway. But at the same time most people cant afford to be picky. Any old gen will do as long as it says "Core I5" or "Core I7" on the sticker. I have however, seen a couple of really old HP laptops here with AMD Sempron processors. Which is wild.

Well, from what i understand the newer Meteor Lake CPU's apparently will be good specifically for mobile platforms. Which i suppose can only be a good thing for Laptop users. Of course they have to introduce a confusing naming scheme to replace the "Core" naming system. This is going to make things even more confusing for buyers. Generally speaking are going to have to fork out for the "MAX" variants of CPU's just to get the desired clock speeds in the near future?

 

[Grieverokami]

Regarding the laptop display and for that matter, my older external one. Is there any software or kit that can diagnose performance and current specs such as max brightness and colour gamut? It was suggested that 300 nits is recommended for a decent display? If that's the case then how do you test for that?
EDIT
I was thinking of looking at checking the performance overtime. I suspect our retail stores sell mostly clearance TV's and monitors. No doubt older stock from SA. It would be good to check upon buying new monitors and TVs and seeing if they still hold up.

 

[drek4]

I just used whatever came up on notebook check. In our region we don't see much in the way of AMD CPU's in any capacity. Still going with the "Core I7 = Fast" mentality so AMD is really a novel concept for the local market. That's my impression anyway. But at the same time most people cant afford to be picky. Any old gen will do as long as it says "Core I5" or "Core I7" on the sticker. I have however, seen a couple of really old HP laptops here with AMD Sempron processors. Which is wild.

Well, from what i understand the newer Meteor Lake CPU's apparently will be good specifically for mobile platforms. Which i suppose can only be a good thing for Laptop users. Of course they have to introduce a confusing naming scheme to replace the "Core" naming system. This is going to make things even more confusing for buyers. Generally speaking are going to have to fork out for the "MAX" variants of CPU's just to get the desired clock speeds in the near future?

All manufacturers love to make things confusing, who wants to say don't buy this it's crap.
They strive to make even crap, look like it's way better than it actually is, ah well profits are king.

 

[drek4]

Regarding the laptop display and for that matter, my older external one. Is there any software or kit that can diagnose performance and current specs such as max brightness and colour gamut? It was suggested that 300 nits is recommended for a decent display? If that's the case then how do you test for that?
EDIT
I was thinking of looking at checking the performance overtime. I suspect our retail stores sell mostly clearance TV's and monitors. No doubt older stock from SA. It would be good to check upon buying new monitors and TVs and seeing if they still hold up.

How to Determine Nits Screen

Not everyone is cut out for a life in front of a screen. If you're not sure whether you have what it takes, there's a way to determine nits screen.

www.techpluto.com

https://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/measure-nits-for-screen-windows-10/

DisplayHDR Test - Official app in the Microsoft Store

The DisplayHDR™ Test Tool allows users to confirm the display parameters including brightness, color and contrast performance of high dynamic range (HDR) laptop and desktop monitors as per the set forth in VESA’s High-Performance Monitor and Display Compliance Test Specification (DisplayHDR)...

apps.microsoft.com

 

[Grieverokami]

How to Determine Nits Screen

Not everyone is cut out for a life in front of a screen. If you're not sure whether you have what it takes, there's a way to determine nits screen.

www.techpluto.com

https://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/measure-nits-for-screen-windows-10/

DisplayHDR Test - Official app in the Microsoft Store

The DisplayHDR™ Test Tool allows users to confirm the display parameters including brightness, color and contrast performance of high dynamic range (HDR) laptop and desktop monitors as per the set forth in VESA’s High-Performance Monitor and Display Compliance Test Specification (DisplayHDR)...

apps.microsoft.com

Very informative thanks.