MAG X670E Tomahawk wifi starting... too fast?

[Spagettifritz]

Hey guys,

As some of you probably know, MSI recently released the update 7E12v18 for the X670E Tomahawk Wifi, which updates AGESA and significantly shortens boot times with "Memory context restore" enabled.

So far so good, the boot times have improved drastically for me, before I had a post of 60 seconds, now less than 2 seconds! Yay!

However, I have now encountered another new problem.
I have 3 PCIe expansion cards, a 2080 Super, a Mellanox Connect-X3 10 GBit/s NIC and an Elgato 4k60 Pro Mk.2 capture card.
Before the BIOS update, everything worked perfectly. Now, with activated "memory context restore" in the latest BIOS version and the short boot times, the Elgato Capture Card is constantly missing in the system.

Only a warm reboot helps. But that's where it gets interesting:
- Cold boot -> card is not present in Windows
- Warm boot -> card is present
- Hibernate & start -> card is not present
- Sleep & start -> card is not present
- Cold start, but first into BIOS, then warm restart without changes -> card is present

What was tried:
- CMOS reset -> without success
- Capture Card tested in other PCIe slots -> without success, the error moves with the card, it is not due to the PCIe slot
- With every warm boot, the card is present and functional again
- Delay post with 3 Seconds "fake" post duration (this is an option on some boards...!) -> The BIOS of the X670E does not have that option - at least I couldn't find it.

My thoughts:
I think that the Elgato capture card has a firmware that doesn't start as fast as the PC starts from shutdown/hibernate/sleep, because it apparently does not get recognized.
Now that I'm happy not having a space rocket launching (GPU fans on 100% for 60 seconds) while booting my PC with the old, long boot times, I have a reproducible error with one of my PCIe cards.

Is anyone else having this issue with the new BIOS Update?
Is this a case for MSI to "artificially extend" boot times to give the PCIe cards a chance to initialize?
Or implement the "fake" post delay, where one can set a duration from 0 to 10 seconds delay in BIOS?
I'd appreciate every thought and suggestion of you guys.

Here is a summary of the data:
MB: X670E Tomahawk Wifi
CPU: Ryzen 7 7800x3D
RAM: 2 x Kingson DDR5-6000 32 GB RAM (HCL compatible) with A-XMP enabled for 6000 MHz
BIOS: 7E12v18
OS: Windows 10 x64 Pro

Thank You!

 

[Spagettifritz]

Got a response from Elgato Support.

The fact that the AverMedia card and driver installed didn't resolve the issue with capturing cards shows a much larger issue.
They recommend to let MSI know (as they are the MB manufacturer), that neither the Elgato nor the AverMedia card worked.

Each BIOS update is supposed to improve Memory Stability

I see, I see...

But well ya

Do you have Memory Context Restore set to Enabled
Power Down and Geardown in Advanced Memory setting set to Enabled
And also set Ignore memory change to Enabled

Will try this.

Thanks.

 

[Spagettifritz]

Update: Got the same RAM endless training issue again with the recommended settings.

 

[Alan J T]

Update: Got the same RAM endless training issue again with the recommended settings.

I don't suppose you have a spare non-X3D CPU by chance.

 

[Spagettifritz]

I don't suppose you have a spare non-X3D CPU by chance.

Oh, unfooooortunately not...
But if MSI covers the costs, I'd be happy to test!!

Jokes aside... You thinking about a malfunction with the (my?) x3D CPU? Or rather that the MB BIOS doesn't work correctly with some x3D configs?

I also created a support ticket with MSI official support now, as I want this to be fixed and solved. Ticket Number: #1203271
(Greetings to MSI support staff!)

 

[Alan J T]

You thinking about a malfunction with the (my?) x3D CPU

With the sheer number of problems and over 90% of them seem to be X3D CPU, I have to wonder if they are up to doing as advertised.

Some Ryzen 7 9800X3D CPUs are allegedly failing prematurely — over 100 cases documented based on user feedback (Update)

The majority of the Ryzen 7 9800X3D had isssues on ASRock motherboards.

www.tomshardware.com

 

[MadSky]

With the sheer number of problems and over 90% of them seem to be X3D CPU, I have to wonder if they are up to doing as advertised.

Once again, you need to take into account that X3D is the most commonly sold CPU:

https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?threads/msi-x870e-carbon-wifi-infinite-reboot-with-bios-7e49v1a23-2025-01-21.408634/#post-2315141

This XKCD explains it best:

Heatmap

xkcd.com

 

[Spagettifritz]

With the sheer number of problems and over 90% of them seem to be X3D CPU, I have to wonder if they are up to doing as advertised.

Some Ryzen 7 9800X3D CPUs are allegedly failing prematurely — over 100 cases documented based on user feedback (Update)

The majority of the Ryzen 7 9800X3D had isssues on ASRock motherboards.

www.tomshardware.com

I didn't know anything about that yet.
But I still think that if the CPU had a problem, that some other errors would also occur.
The gaming performance is not only OK, but actually great and there are no permanent problems with the RAM training so that the computer would not start at all, it only happens after restarts when the system has been running for a longer period of time.

As for the problem with the capture card... I have no idea.
Elgato support is currently offering me to replace the capture card with an external 4K X... that won't solve the problems with the PCIe card, but rather avoid troubleshooting and will create other problems for me if I have to go via USB.

This XKCD explains it best

, but also true.

 

[Alan J T]

Once again, you need to take into account that X3D is the most commonly sold CPU:

I do

 

[Spagettifritz]

Hey all,

MSI Support replied to the Elgato capture card issue:

"This problem is related to Elgato 4k60 Pro Mk.2 capture card. We are working on the issue with AMD, it may take some time to fix the issue. Sorry for the inconvenience caused you!"
Hoping that this won't take another year to fix...

I also asked about the RAM reboot issues...
...after being asked to test with 1 RAM module, then with 2, then with A-XMP on/off

waiting for a reply.

 

[Spagettifritz]

OK guys, so the recent reply from MSI is as follows:

Regarding the Elgato capture card issue:

"For the card issue, sorry to say that we may not release new officially BIOS for it as it may cause other PCIE compatibility issue. We think that your current compatibility issue cannot be fixed by BIOS update currently."

... but with the new beta BIOS (7e12v1i3 from 2025-04-29), I also haven't had any more issues with the capture card... still couldn't test it over a long time, but it seems to be good now.

And for the reboot problem, the current solution seems to be the latest beta BIOS (7e12v1i3 from 2025-04-29) with...
- memory context restore option set to "ENABLED"
- NO profile (A-XMP / EXPO) activated

Haven't had a problem with reboots for over a week now.
Not sure, how the memory context restore option can do something when there is no profile to "restore" to. Asked support twice about this, no answer.

Also, current recommendation is to NOT activate an A-XMP or EXPO profile...

"You can just keep the current settings if the restart function is working normally now."

This makes no sense. I paid for A-XMP / EXPO, I wanna use A-XMP / EXPO.... I'll test it anyway...

Just realized, that there is also a new BIOS, the non-beta version of 7e12v1i3, released 2025-06-10...
Gonna test this as well, I guess....

Cheers.