MAG X870 Tomahawk WiFi + RTX 5080 - Persistent VIDEO_TDR_FAILURE (0x116) crashes

[jorolat]

Hello everyone,

I’m experiencing persistent TDR crashes on a custom-built PC with the MSI MAG X870 Tomahawk WiFi motherboard and an MSI RTX 5080 Ventus 3X OC Plus GPU.

Has anyone with an X870 (non-E) motherboard and RTX 5080 experienced this, and if so, how did you resolve it? Is there a BIOS setting, driver version, or workaround that has worked reliably?

Any help or similar experiences would be greatly appreciated.

Symptoms:

- Random reboots with black screen (freeze, black twice, reboot).
- Reliability Monitor shows:
- BlueScreen 0x116 (VIDEO_TDR_FAILURE) or 0x119 (VIDEO_SCHEDULER_INTERNAL_ERROR)
- LiveKernelEvent 117
- Parameter 3: ffffffffc000009a (STATUS_DEVICE_POWER_FAILURE)
- Crashes occur on cold boot, wake from sleep, or occasionally during light use.
- Minidumps confirm fault in nvlddmkm.sys during PCIe/power state transitions.

Troubleshooting Done

- Clean driver reinstalls with DDU (Studio 591.44 and Game Ready).
- Registry TdrDelay = 8.
- HAGS disabled.
- Sleep set to Never + manual shutdowns (most stable workaround).
- PCIe Slot 1 and M.2_1 forced to Gen 4 in BIOS (still crashes occasionally).
- MSI Center disabled at startup, minimal apps running (Firefox, Thunderbird, Picasa).
- No overclocks, temps normal.

RMA:

- Original card replaced by Cyberpower (same model).
- Crashes persist with the replacement card (same pattern).

Driver:

- NVIDIA Studio 591.44 (also tested Game Ready)

Thank you!

Best regards,

 

[Notwalkin]

Lmao - X870 and X870e is such a poor release.
It's definetly something with the AM5 chipset for these boards.

I first reported this issue back in January 2025, on 2 x870 tomahawks With a 4090.
I got blamed for "user error" and all sorts as many said "I've had this board X and no issues".

If you reinstall windows you probably have noticed you never have the boot stutter issue while doing so. I found that when i reinstalled windows, which i did often to troubleshoot my first x870 tomahawk - i never had issues with booting up. I linked it to Nvidia drivers and the board and whatever else - i'm not saying nvidia drivers ARE the issue but until i installed nvidia driver, i never got the issue.


Spread Spectrum
Stock (no expo or pbo)
Manually setting pcie speed
Tried a mixture of bios versions until Late Jan 2025
None of these gave me a permanent fix.

My issue with the x870 tomahawk only started With 9800x3d, my 7800x3d and 4090 was fine - when installing 9800x3d the issues presented themselves.

I have also used 7 or so different motherboards since - without ever seeing the boot stutter issue.
multiple B650 tomahawk boards
1x gigabyte 870e aorus pro ice
1x gigabyte 870e aorus elite x3d

The gigabyte boards have their own issues though. Which is why i assume the Am5 chipset is a major issue. I just wanted to reshare this because i both laugh and get annoyed seeing this same issue is still ongoing a year later and MSI simply ignore it.

 

[cj.simmon157002e1]

Wow, I can't believe I've been dealing with this issue for 2 months, and not once in all my googling, ChatGPT'ing, etc have I come across this forum topic.

X870 Tomahawk WIFI, 9800x3D, 64G, 5090

I've been having this exact same issue since I upgraded my GPU to a 5090. I was previously running my rather old and trusty 2070 and never had any issues with waking from sleep and my PC was running just fine for almost a year. Ever since I installed the 5090 at the start of December I've been having the stuttering mouse on the desktop and wake from sleep/hibernation (i've tried both) and they will fail to resume resulting in a reboot, sometimes just after logging into windows, sometimes before anything is even on screen.

I went down the path of faulty GPU, RAM, CPU, mobo etc, but fortunatly I never done a RMA for any of them. Instead I decided to get ChatGPT and Gemini involved and used their collective power to help me diagnose the issue. Nether came across this forum post (neither did I in my own searching until today).

I have done RAM voltage tuning, manually changing the PCIe slot to different settings, all kinds of different things which mostly did not do anything. I think the only think that did make a slight change was setting my RAM to JDEC speeds of 4800MT/s, but that was short lived too.

I'm now running the mobo on the the beta firmware 1A71, and it seems to be a little better, but I'm still having the same problems, just not as often. Another change that has made a huge difference is change the power cable on my 5090 to one that allows for a bigger radius bend in the cable (the tight bends is what's been leading a lot of 50 series cards to have issues, burnt out connectors etc), and a lot of the issues and errors I was having, which include all of what's listed here from what I see, seem to be related.

Reducing my 5090's power target to 80% also made a huge difference, but now with the new power cable I've gone back to 100% and there is no notable difference.

I don't know if the GPU's are spiking the power draw when the system is turned on and that's causing an issue somewhere, and that's what is causing the failed handshake with PCIe during wakeup or what is happening.

All I know is that 99% of the time, my PC is pretty stable after a reboot or cold boot from a shutdown. Attempts to wake from sleep or hibernate now have a 50% fail rater for me, but the stuttering mouse after login is less frequent now.

All up, I can rest a bit easier now knowing that I'm not the only one with this board that is having these issues. I know it sucks and sounds bad, but knowing there are others out there has given me a breath of fresh air knowing it's not a me issue, or faulty hardware. Hopefully a new BIOS comes out that just fixes this issue, but I'm not holding my breath.

 

[imeem2]

Wow, I can't believe I've been dealing with this issue for 2 months, and not once in all my googling, ChatGPT'ing, etc have I come across this forum topic.

X870 Tomahawk WIFI, 9800x3D, 64G, 5090

I've been having this exact same issue since I upgraded my GPU to a 5090. I was previously running my rather old and trusty 2070 and never had any issues with waking from sleep and my PC was running just fine for almost a year. Ever since I installed the 5090 at the start of December I've been having the stuttering mouse on the desktop and wake from sleep/hibernation (i've tried both) and they will fail to resume resulting in a reboot, sometimes just after logging into windows, sometimes before anything is even on screen.

I am having the same problem too, but different MSI board , and I went from 1080ti and 5080.

I exchanged the motherboard for the same one, but this one was even worse ( and I even tried the same bios as my previous board and I had soc voltage spikes beyond 1.30V.

Currently I am exchanging for another one. In the mean time, I'm testing the GPU and PSU on a totally different (and much older computer) to see if I can replicate the issue.

 

[mat159902de]

Ok, so if you check my previous posts, you'll see that I've been battling this issue for several weeks without success. I then bought a replacement x870e MAG Tomahawk Wifi board and have been using it for a few days now and so far (fingers crossed), I've not been having any problems with it. Its too early to be sure (my x870 board could go a few days with no issues, and then have several back-to-back!), but so far so good. One thing I've deliberately not done is update the BIOS to the latest version. The board came with A60 and I'm going to stick with it until I'm happy that its stable, after which I'll update to the latest BIOS and test further (assuming I'm able to go back to A60!!!).

Keep your fingers crossed.

 

[jorolat]

Ok, so if you check my previous posts, you'll see that I've been battling this issue for several weeks without success. I then bought a replacement x870e MAG Tomahawk Wifi board and have been using it for a few days now and so far (fingers crossed), I've not been having any problems with it. Its too early to be sure (my x870 board could go a few days with no issues, and then have several back-to-back!), but so far so good. One thing I've deliberately not done is update the BIOS to the latest version. The board came with A60 and I'm going to stick with it until I'm happy that its stable, after which I'll update to the latest BIOS and test further (assuming I'm able to go back to A60!!!).

Keep your fingers crossed.

Just in case you're talking about finding an A60 version rather than any problems with re-installing it, then all of the BIOS versions for the MAG X870E TOMAHAWK WIFI are available here:

MAG X870E TOMAHAWK WIFI | Gaming Motherboards｜Best Motherboard for AI PC｜MSI

The MAG X870E TOMAHAWK WIFI AMD AM5 gaming motherboard delivers cutting-edge connectivity, including Wi-Fi 7, 5G LAN, high-speed USB, DDR5, PCIe 5.0, and M.2 Gen5. Designed for AI-PCs and EZ DIY, it’s the top X870E ATX motherboard for AMD Ryzen 9000 CPU.

www.msi.com

Anyway, good luck with the X870E and let us know how you get on (not least because I may be RMAing my X870 Tomahawk and will need a replacement!)

 

[mat159902de]

@jorolat - still working 6 days later and at least 2 reboots/day. Keeping my fingers crossed. If anyone else has the MSI x870 MAG Tomahawk WiFi and is having these problems, please downgrade the BIOS to A60 with the link above and see if that fixes your issue. I'm on the x870e version with A60 and I've had a stable system now for almost a week (hope I've not just jinxed it!)

 

[Qoojo]

@mat159902de How many cold starts in that time?

 

[mat159902de]

Except for the first day when I changed the otherboard (there were several full-reboots), none. It didnt matter whether I was full-rebooting or wake from sleep (over night), I would see the PCIe speed issue. Sometimes I would have to re-sleep my PC a couple of times for it to eventually get to x16.5.0. So far all week, its been booting into x16.5.0 every time. I'll stop putting the PC to sleep for the next few days and test with full-reboots and report back

 

[Notwalkin]

FWIW, i spoke to someone who had issues with a x870 tomahawk for a while, he sent it for RMA, got a x870e while it was away - has had no issues for 2 months.
I purchased a x870e the other day and had no issues but didn't have it for long, sent it back because the fan headers were faulty and not responding for ages.

Setting fans to 0% -> 100% or vice versa in bios or fan control program was showing 30-60seconds response time, vs every other motherboard (including the b650 tomahawk) working in seconds.

Just poor quality from MSI in general lately with their boards it seems.

 

[jorolat]

@jorolat - still working 6 days later and at least 2 reboots/day. Keeping my fingers crossed. If anyone else has the MSI x870 MAG Tomahawk WiFi and is having these problems, please downgrade the BIOS to A60 with the link above and see if that fixes your issue. I'm on the x870e version with A60 and I've had a stable system now for almost a week (hope I've not just jinxed it!)

Thank you for the update, @mat159902de, and I'm pleased that the X870e/A60 combination continues to work for you.

I'll also be interested in any future updates you make, partially because there are reports of some X870e boards having the same, or similar, problems as the X870 has.

I did note that you said, "If anyone else has the MSI x870 MAG Tomahawk WiFi and is having these problems, please downgrade the BIOS to A60 with the link above".

Assuming you're referring to the link I gave, then that is for the X870e, not the X870. While both motherboards have an A60 BIOS they are not compatible (they have different chipsets, etc.):

The A60 for the X870 is 7E51v1A60 with a release date of 2025-06-24.

The A60 for the X870e is 7E59v2A60 with a release date of 2025-06-09.

However, this gave me an idea. First I asked Google AI Mode* to confirm the two files were incompatible (to "warm it up", so to speak) and then I asked the question shown in the screenshot:

Of course, I'm not suggesting that the X870e's A60 BIOS fixed the "bug" at all. Despite the wording of my question, what I wanted to establish is whether or not a later BIOS version could have addressed issues that had an unforeseen side effect of introducing a "bug" to both boards, with the X870e being the more resilient of the two in this instance.

It's just an interesting speculation, that's all.

I'm not going to try the X870's A60 BIOS on my board because I'm tired of this problem: my MSI Ticket is still open and either they'll come up with a solution or I'll consider sending my computer back to the retailer.

Thanks again for the update!

*Link to the Google AI Mode question: https://share.google/aimode/r8k6IxpG1tXfzmU48

 

[Qoojo]

My new 5080 arrived, and I can confirm issue still persists on 50% or more of cold boots. One cold boot it happened, and even though i restarted immediately, the subsequent boot caused TDR, then next boot went to windows ok. This was on A70 with the normal suggested bios settings. Board is bad.

 

[Notwalkin]

If yous live in a place where you can buy and test a board and return it if it does have the same issue - just do so lol. (Obviously implying to try a different brand for the x870/e, although i have heard and experienced the x870e tomahawk did not give me the boot bug).

Amazon, Microcenter maybe?

If we're just talking the cold boot bug, X870E aorus pro and X870E aorus elite x3d both worked flawlessly for me - and i fail to believe it's "chance" per board no matter if gigabyte or msi since i tried 2x 870 tomahawks back to back and both showed the issue (ON 4090 as mentioned, ONLY after using 9800x3d, the 1st x870 worked for 2 months with my 7800x3d 4090 setup w/o that issue).

I hope the new "X870 tomahawk max" (Black accents) fixes it, i truly believe the issue with cold boots is within the way they made these boards and not bios related, it's something with the signal because as mentioned, mine was perfect before going to 9800x3d, although the motherboard did give me random keyboard issues on boot (Had to replug after post sometimes).


I do wonder, if there's 4 or 5 of you currently fighting on this board - if you all tried a different brand tomorrow, how many would come back saying the issue is fixed, i expect all unless you buy another MSI board (X670e/x870 tomahawk / x870e carbon, which are the ones i'm aware of doing it).

 

[Qoojo]

Yes. I agree that MSI has a known manufacturer defect which they patched via bios to fix most boards, but then there are still some that are simply broken. But MSI is on no-buy list. Coincidentally, there was a thread on nvidia forums about a cold boot issue. I posted with the message that if you still have this issue that most likely you have a MSI mb, and sure enough the 3-4 users complaining all had MSI motherboards 870, b850, and think one even in 600s.

Yesterday, I confirmed that my motherboard is bad and i have to get new motherboard. With that said, I consider replacing motherboard just about the same as building new system, so I plan on getting new case and a different cooler, which i did not get when I build this in Jul 25. Building for low noise, and switching from huge air cooled heatsink to aio.

So need to research which motherboard to get. Right now it is gigabyte master x870e or asrock phantom nova x870e. I think asrock will be fine if i set soc voltage to 1.18v at the start. The gb mb is like $100 more and i have had very good experiences with gigabyte, which kind of says just pay extra or wait for sale.

 

[Notwalkin]

Yes. I agree that MSI has a known manufacturer defect which they patched via bios to fix most boards, but then there are still some that are simply broken. But MSI is on no-buy list. Coincidentally, there was a thread on nvidia forums about a cold boot issue. I posted with the message that if you still have this issue that most likely you have a MSI mb, and sure enough the 3-4 users complaining all had MSI motherboards 870, b850, and think one even in 600s.

Yesterday, I confirmed that my motherboard is bad and i have to get new motherboard. With that said, I consider replacing motherboard just about the same as building new system, so I plan on getting new case and a different cooler, which i did not get when I build this in Jul 25. Building for low noise, and switching from huge air cooled heatsink to aio.

So need to research which motherboard to get. Right now it is gigabyte master x870e or asrock phantom nova x870e. I think asrock will be fine if i set soc voltage to 1.18v at the start. The gb mb is like $100 more and i have had very good experiences with gigabyte, which kind of says just pay extra or wait for sale.

Look into gigabytes x3d boards.
The elite has 2x nvme slots connected to cpu lanes (1 share with usb c, can disable for 2x full speed nvme lanes).
+2x chipset nvme lanes
and the top pcie slot does not share bandwidth at all.

Plus the x3d lineup comes with their premium features, like metal backplate, ez m2 flex, internal hdmi port etc..

The non x3d gigabyte boards need to adjust their prices because right now, it makes no sense, at least where i live.

 

[mat159902de]

@jorolat - I've been fully shutting my PC down rather than put to sleep, and even after several cold boots since Thursday, I've still not experienced the same issue as before. I'll keep testing and reporting back. It would be good if someone with the x870 board could check with its version of the A60 bios to see if it also resolves it. My only concern is that the secure boot certificates were updates in a later version of the BIOS, so I may be forced to update at some point. I'm going to keep running it like this for at least another week, then upgrade the BIOS to the latest and retest to see if we can isolate the issue.

 

[jorolat]

My new 5080 arrived, and I can confirm issue still persists on 50% or more of cold boots. One cold boot it happened, and even though i restarted immediately, the subsequent boot caused TDR, then next boot went to windows ok. This was on A70 with the normal suggested bios settings. Board is bad.

I'm sorry to hear that you have had a similar experience as myself.

I swapped my MSI 5080 at the end of December, fully expecting everything would be OK because at that time I didn't know it could be a motherboard/BIOS issue.

When the new MSI 5080 crashed for the first time, I felt completely at a loss: "What do I do now??", kind of thing - which was when I first thought of opening an MSI Ticket.

Board is bad

A recent email from the MSI Support Team said:

Engineers do not yet have a final solution, whether it's a BIOS update, adjusting certain voltages or options, or a hardware solution or other solutions, We are also waiting for the engineers' progress and we will reply [to] you again.

The agent at MSI that I have been in contact with has been very good in terms of how fast they respond, but as the above indicates, they have nothing to offer yet.

One thing though, when the agent first transferred my query to the "engineers", the agent must have thought, "Well that's my part in the proceedings over with, I'll just close this ticket down now."

All well and good, except they didn't tell me and it came as quite a shock when my next email to them resulted in an automatic reply saying, "Ticket closed!"

Anyway, I opened another ticket and I'm now speaking to the same agent again who has agreed the new ticket won't be closed without notifying me first.

So, if you're thinking of opening a Ticket - and the more people who do the better - I would suggest that you include a "No closure without notification" clause too (and a link to this thread wouldn't go amiss, either).

 

[agggg157102de]

My build: 7800X3D, MSI MAG X870 TOMAHAWK WIFI, ADATA XPG Lancer [AX5U6000C3032G-DCLABK] 64 GB, 3070 — and six months of flawless operation.

Recently, after installing GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 5070 Ti EAGLE OC SFF [GV-N507TEAGLE OC-16GD], I noticed desktop lag the next day — everything was stuttering.
A reboot fixed it. However, the next cold start reproduced the issue again.

By “cold start” I mean disconnecting the PC from the power outlet for several hours. In my case, 3+ hours. So every time I power on the PC the next day, it is effectively a cold start.

Enabling FCH Spread Spectrum in the BIOS helped for about 10 days until the problem reappeared. During the lag spikes, GPU-Z shows PCIe 1.1 (occasionally 2.0).

I manually set Gen4 in the BIOS, but the issue persisted.

Sometimes during startup, GPU-Z simply doesn’t display certain data. At those moments, the stuttering and lag are present. A reboot, as usual, resolves the issue. (Screenshot attached.)

The GPU is perfectly fine — I played Battlefield 6 and other games for 5 hours straight, ran FurMark for an hour, and everything was excellent, with no crashes or issues at all.

BIOS version: 7E51v1A50.

RMA is not really an option — the issue is very intermittent, and there’s no guarantee the service center will reproduce it. Being without a computer for up to 45 days is also not feasible.

 

[mat159902de]

My build: 7800X3D, MSI MAG X870 TOMAHAWK WIFI, ADATA XPG Lancer [AX5U6000C3032G-DCLABK] 64 GB, 3070 — and six months of flawless operation.

Recently, after installing GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 5070 Ti EAGLE OC SFF [GV-N507TEAGLE OC-16GD], I noticed desktop lag the next day — everything was stuttering.
A reboot fixed it. However, the next cold start reproduced the issue again.

By “cold start” I mean disconnecting the PC from the power outlet for several hours. In my case, 3+ hours. So every time I power on the PC the next day, it is effectively a cold start.

Enabling FCH Spread Spectrum in the BIOS helped for about 10 days until the problem reappeared. During the lag spikes, GPU-Z shows PCIe 1.1 (occasionally 2.0).

I manually set Gen4 in the BIOS, but the issue persisted.

Sometimes during startup, GPU-Z simply doesn’t display certain data. At those moments, the stuttering and lag are present. A reboot, as usual, resolves the issue. (Screenshot attached.)

The GPU is perfectly fine — I played Battlefield 6 and other games for 5 hours straight, ran FurMark for an hour, and everything was excellent, with no crashes or issues at all.

BIOS version: 7E51v1A50.

RMA is not really an option — the issue is very intermittent, and there’s no guarantee the service center will reproduce it. Being without a computer for up to 45 days is also not feasible.

If you read from the first message, you will see that the problem the OP and myself have been having is exactly the same as what you are presenting here, although in our cases it was with a 5080 card. It really doesnt matter if you change BIOS settings (I've tried them all in cooperation with Nvidia who have been super helpful in all this), the fact is that the x870 Tomahawk will invariably cold-boot (sometimes warm boot) into the wrong PCIe mode (which you can test with GPU-Z and run a stress test). Currently I've been with an x870e Tomahawk board with an earlier BIOS for the past week and its worked flawlessly, but it needs at least a couple of weeks under its belt before I can say its fixed. Once I get to that point, I'll upgrade to A70 and see if the problem comes back and report here.

keep the reports coming. Its starting to sound that its not an Nvidia problem (several people have fixed the issue by changing boards), but if you are like me and like MSI boards, then we need more data to help convinve MSI to take a review of the issue. I would also strongly suggest anyone who's bought an x870 Tomahawk from Amazon less than 12 months ago, to see if they will exchange it for a later version such as the x870e. I was surprised that they would allow me to send something back after 3 months, but they said anything up to 12 is fine!!

 

[Notwalkin]

Yeah stress testing and everything will work fine.

As mentioned i also had no issues at first for 2 months, i used it from Nov 2024 -> Jan 2025 without issues.
Then i installed a 9800x3d.

So a cpu change caused my cold boot issue, not a gpu change.
The gpu was a 4090, not even a pcie gen 5 card.

Once the system was booted past the bug, it was fine, games for 6+ hours fine, OCCT stress test fine, Prime95 for 8 hours over night fine.

Msi pretending to you all that they "Aren't aware" are straight up lying.

There used to be a bigger thread on these forums about this same very issue that i also wrote in. They have known for a very long time. I'm not sure if the bios is the issue as stated because i don't think the x870e tomahawk ever had the boot bug issue. It did with the NVME pcie gen 5 drives i think? But not the gpu.

 

[jorolat]

@jorolat - I've been fully shutting my PC down rather than put to sleep, and even after several cold boots since Thursday, I've still not experienced the same issue as before. I'll keep testing and reporting back. It would be good if someone with the x870 board could check with its version of the A60 bios to see if it also resolves it. My only concern is that the secure boot certificates were updates in a later version of the BIOS, so I may be forced to update at some point. I'm going to keep running it like this for at least another week, then upgrade the BIOS to the latest and retest to see if we can isolate the issue.

I'm glad that things are continuing to run smoothly for you!

If I didn't have other options - as well as being in the middle of "data gathering" for the MSI Ticket - then trying the X870's version of the A60 BIOS would have been worth considering except @agggg157102de says he's running 7E51v1A50 on an X870 and the A50 predates the A60 by 18 days.

And if I was in a similar position as yourself, I would keep running a working BIOS version for a week just to have some "peace and quiet".

Fingers crossed that the planned BIOS update goes OK.