MPG X870E CARBON WIFI Beta BIOS

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Zippos said:
Here's a quick test on my 4TB Samsung 990 Pro on A27 bios:

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Yeah, looks normal for A27, better than A23 but still slightly low random write speed. This persists through A29, but A21 showed roughly equal random reads and writes at around 1.6 million. A29 actually had a slight regression of sequential speeds on slot M2_3.
Still, it's really fast and I'll take the reads at that speed until they can get it tweaked to where it should be. Not sure I want to try out the new Gen5 9100 pro since it's looking like the speeds are not optimal on the Gen5 motherboard slot.
I don't think MSI regularly reads this forum for feedback, so everyone should still put in a support request so that they're aware of problems like this and know they should be working on them.
 
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Upgraded from 9800x3d to 9950x3d. Here my specs:
Bios: 7E49v1A27
-X870E Carbon with 9950x3D
-Asus Proart PA602 Case with 2xNF-A20 fan front, NF-A14 G2 Pwm on back.
-Arctic II 420mm aio with 3x NF-A14 G2 PWM
-Seasonic Prime PX-1600W Atx 3.0
-MSI RTX 5090 Suprim SOC
-G.Skill TridentZ Neo RGB 6000 MTU CL30 2x32 GB
-990 PRO 4TB on M2_1 and 990 PRO 4TB on M2_3.
PBO: Advanced. Curve -25 on all cores, and +150 mhz boost.
While testing on CB23/24, vCores: 0.880V - 1.395V (Max 77 (CB24)-84(CB23) Degree)

M2_1 Test:
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M2_3 Test:
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I have Samsung Magician also.
Here my test results with 9800x3D / 7E49v1A21 bios:
M2_1:
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M2_3:
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Now with 9950x3D / 7E49v1A27 bios:
M2_1:
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M2_3:
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I dont have any problems like cold boot / PCIE working slow etc. Always running Gen5 with my 5090 without any problem. Also never had a problem with 9800x3D too.
I only have temp problems with Prime95 small / OCCT extreme, which is reaching to 270+Watt , 95 degree. But I guess its normal. Never reached more than 88 degree with 9800x3D.
Maybe it is something about Noctua's fans. Because I were using Arctic's fans with 9800x3D. Arctic's are 1900rpm, Noctua's are 1500rpm. But Noctua's has higher cfm when compared to Arctic ones. (2.56mmH2O vs 2.40 mmH2O)

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muhammetfurkankita14d902c5 said:
Upgraded from 9800x3d to 9950x3d. Here my specs:
Bios: 7E49v1A27
-X870E Carbon with 9950x3D
-Asus Proart PA602 Case with 2xNF-A20 fan front, NF-A14 G2 Pwm on back.
-Arctic II 420mm aio with 3x NF-A14 G2 PWM
-Seasonic Prime PX-1600W Atx 3.0
-MSI RTX 5090 Suprim SOC
-G.Skill TridentZ Neo RGB 6000 MTU CL30 2x32 GB
-990 PRO 4TB on M2_1 and 990 PRO 4TB on M2_3.
PBO: Advanced. Curve -25 on all cores, and +150 mhz boost.
While testing on CB23/24, vCores: 0.880V - 1.395V (Max 77 (CB24)-84(CB23) Degree)

M2_1 Test:
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M2_3 Test:
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I have Samsung Magician also.
Here my test results with 9800x3D / 7E49v1A21 bios:
M2_1:
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M2_3:
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Now with 9950x3D / 7E49v1A27 bios:
M2_1:
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M2_3:
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I dont have any problems like cold boot / PCIE working slow etc. Always running Gen5 with my 5090 without any problem. Also never had a problem with 9800x3D too.
I only have temp problems with Prime95 small / OCCT extreme, which is reaching to 270+Watt , 95 degree. But I guess its normal. Never reached more than 88 degree with 9800x3D.
Maybe it is something about Noctua's fans. Because I were using Arctic's fans with 9800x3D. Arctic's are 1900rpm, Noctua's are 1500rpm. But Noctua's has higher cfm when compared to Arctic ones. (2.56mmH2O vs 2.40 mmH2O)

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Thank you for all of your numbers and stats there, very comprehensive. A couple of notes:
Why didn't you bump up to the A30 BIOS that's posted as official? Not arguing, but just wondering if you had a specific reason for not doing so. 1.39v on your vCore seems... high. I wonder if the A30 BIOS not only recognizes the 9950x3d better than the 9800x3d, but sets limits better. I'm guessing this may be part of the reason you're overheating on some tests, not just fan change.
Intersting numbers on the Samsung Magician performance test - Your write numbers with the 9950x3d on A27 are what I would expect the 9800x3d to be at normally in M2_1, but I see your M2_3 numbers are around the same with a slight bump in sequential speeds. I wonder if there's an issue with the 9800x3d's limits on PCIe interfaces itself that are causing them to read a bit slower? Or something with the way MSI has implemented that in the BIOS for this board? I find it odd that your numbers for the 9950x3d are higher with no other BIOS change.
 
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Alyred said:
Thank you for all of your numbers and stats there, very comprehensive. A couple of notes:
Why didn't you bump up to the A30 BIOS that's posted as official? Not arguing, but just wondering if you had a specific reason for not doing so. 1.39v on your vCore seems... high. I wonder if the A30 BIOS not only recognizes the 9950x3d better than the 9800x3d, but sets limits better. I'm guessing this may be part of the reason you're overheating on some tests, not just fan change.
Intersting numbers on the Samsung Magician performance test - Your write numbers with the 9950x3d on A27 are what I would expect the 9800x3d to be at normally in M2_1, but I see your M2_3 numbers are around the same with a slight bump in sequential speeds. I wonder if there's an issue with the 9800x3d's limits on PCIe interfaces itself that are causing them to read a bit slower? Or something with the way MSI has implemented that in the BIOS for this board? I find it odd that your numbers for the 9950x3d are higher with no other BIOS change.
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I didnt use A30 bios because it came after I started to use 9950x3D. I just upgraded my bios to A27 when I had 9800x3D, and then started to use 9950x3D, cleared cmos and made my settings again.
The reason Im not using A30 is because I dont want to generate my profile again. I dont know why, but it seems I cant load the old profile which is belong to old bios. Also I have zero problem with this bios, I didnt have any problem with older bios'es either way. (Not talking about m2 speeds)
About performance tests, it is probably MSI's problem. Lets hope with new bios updates they'll improve the speed. For me, in normal usage I dont notice any speed releated problem. Until I see significant update for newer bios, will keep this bios.
About vcore, it is normal I guess. Since 9950x3D and 9800x3D not same. I see people are getting 1.35-1.36 with stock usage.
My only problem with this board is ezrelease button. Dont know if someone else has this problem on carbon or other msi motherboard.
 
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muhammetfurkankita14d902c5 said:
I didnt use A30 bios because it came after I started to use 9950x3D. I just upgraded my bios to A27 when I had 9800x3D, and then started to use 9950x3D, cleared cmos and made my settings again.
The reason Im not using A30 is because I dont want to generate my profile again. I dont know why, but it seems I cant load the old profile which is belong to old bios. Also I have zero problem with this bios, I didnt have any problem with older bios'es either way. (Not talking about m2 speeds)
About performance tests, it is probably MSI's problem. Lets hope with new bios updates they'll improve the speed. For me, in normal usage I dont notice any speed releated problem. Until I see significant update for newer bios, will keep this bios.
About vcore, it is normal I guess. Since 9950x3D and 9800x3D not same. I see people are getting 1.35-1.36 with stock usage.
My only problem with this board is ezrelease button. Dont know if someone else has this problem on carbon or other msi motherboard.
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Hello
I also have high voltages on the cores
Social Voltage 1.235
Bios a30
The situation is the same, I replaced 9800 with 9950x3d.
what temperatures do you have at idle? mine is 50-54 degrees which seems too much.
 
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pogdmm said:
Hello
I also have high voltages on the cores
Social Voltage 1.235
Bios a30
The situation is the same, I replaced 9800 with 9950x3d.
what temperatures do you have at idle? mine is 50-54 degrees which seems too much.
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Short answer: 49-52 degree.
Long answer:
Hello, my processor is currently idle and its temperature is fluctuating between 49-52 degrees Celsius. If we’re going to compare idle temperatures, let me give you some information.
I was initially using the 9800x3D processor with an Arctic II 420mm radiator and the fans that came with it. I also used an ASUS PROART PA602 case along with two 200mm front fans, each 38mm thick, and another fan on the back, likely 38mm thick and 140mm in size.
I positioned the radiator on the top of the case to exhaust air outwards. The two 200mm front fans drew fresh air into the case, while the rear 140mm fan exhausted the heated air.
My idle processor temperatures would fluctuate between 40-46 degrees Celsius. I never saw them exceed 84 degrees in Cinebench or similar tests. I only saw 93 degrees during shader compilation in the Ready or Not game.
Now, let's talk about the 9950x3D. When I switched to the 9950x3d, I had six Noctua NF-A14 G2 PWM fans that I had recently purchased. I also had two Noctua NF-A20 fans. I bought these fans as spares in case the ASUS 200mm fans failed, because they had previously broken and ASUS sent replacements. Fortunately, the replacement fan they sent also broke within a month, so I completely switched to Noctua fans.
I installed two NF-A20s at the front, an NF-A14 G2 at the back, and while replacing them, I decided to replace the radiator fans as well, making them 3x NF-A14 G2.
I’m using MX-6 thermal paste. With these changes and PBO enabled, I was seeing 95 degrees in OCCT and Prime95. In CB, I was seeing temperatures around 88 degrees Celsius. Idle temperatures were around 60 degrees Celsius.
Today, I reapplied the thermal paste, this time using an "X" pattern as Arctic recommended instead of a dot. Currently, my idle processor temperature is between 49-52 degrees Celsius, and Cinebench shows a maximum of 84 degrees Celsius. There was no change in Prime95 or OCCT; it’s still showing 95 degrees Celsius.
However, if I open the windows, there's a 10-degree difference. Idle temperatures drop to 42 degrees Celsius. In Prime95 and OCCT, temperatures drop to around 85 degrees Celsius. My room is at a reasonable temperature; it’s not like a sauna.
Of course, there’s a significant difference, as this processor can draw up to 270 watts.
Funny thing is, in ready or not game, this cpu never reaches 90 degrees even shader compile.
 
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muhammetfurkankita14d902c5 said:
Short answer: 49-52 degree.
Long answer:
Hello, my processor is currently idle and its temperature is fluctuating between 49-52 degrees Celsius. If we’re going to compare idle temperatures, let me give you some information.
I was initially using the 9800x3D processor with an Arctic II 420mm radiator and the fans that came with it. I also used an ASUS PROART PA602 case along with two 200mm front fans, each 38mm thick, and another fan on the back, likely 38mm thick and 140mm in size.
I positioned the radiator on the top of the case to exhaust air outwards. The two 200mm front fans drew fresh air into the case, while the rear 140mm fan exhausted the heated air.
My idle processor temperatures would fluctuate between 40-46 degrees Celsius. I never saw them exceed 84 degrees in Cinebench or similar tests. I only saw 93 degrees during shader compilation in the Ready or Not game.
Now, let's talk about the 9950x3D. When I switched to the 9950x3d, I had six Noctua NF-A14 G2 PWM fans that I had recently purchased. I also had two Noctua NF-A20 fans. I bought these fans as spares in case the ASUS 200mm fans failed, because they had previously broken and ASUS sent replacements. Fortunately, the replacement fan they sent also broke within a month, so I completely switched to Noctua fans.
I installed two NF-A20s at the front, an NF-A14 G2 at the back, and while replacing them, I decided to replace the radiator fans as well, making them 3x NF-A14 G2.
I’m using MX-6 thermal paste. With these changes and PBO enabled, I was seeing 95 degrees in OCCT and Prime95. In CB, I was seeing temperatures around 88 degrees Celsius. Idle temperatures were around 60 degrees Celsius.
Today, I reapplied the thermal paste, this time using an "X" pattern as Arctic recommended instead of a dot. Currently, my idle processor temperature is between 49-52 degrees Celsius, and Cinebench shows a maximum of 84 degrees Celsius. There was no change in Prime95 or OCCT; it’s still showing 95 degrees Celsius.
However, if I open the windows, there's a 10-degree difference. Idle temperatures drop to 42 degrees Celsius. In Prime95 and OCCT, temperatures drop to around 85 degrees Celsius. My room is at a reasonable temperature; it’s not like a sauna.
Of course, there’s a significant difference, as this processor can draw up to 270 watts.
Funny thing is, in ready or not game, this cpu never reaches 90 degrees even shader compile.
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Hi, do you have the additional power connected to the board pcie pwr_1? I have a lot of difficulties with starting my rtx4090 without rtx, the board works ok, after installation it's a disaster
 
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Alyred said:
Yeah, looks normal for A27, better than A23 but still slightly low random write speed. This persists through A29, but A21 showed roughly equal random reads and writes at around 1.6 million. A29 actually had a slight regression of sequential speeds on slot M2_3.
Still, it's really fast and I'll take the reads at that speed until they can get it tweaked to where it should be. Not sure I want to try out the new Gen5 9100 pro since it's looking like the speeds are not optimal on the Gen5 motherboard slot.
I don't think MSI regularly reads this forum for feedback, so everyone should still put in a support request so that they're aware of problems like this and know they should be working on them.
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FYI, I did a few more tests on A27 bios, and especially the random writes seem to vary run-to-run between 1.3M and 1.4M. Results seem to be a bit higher when closing all background programs from the system tray and so on. And when in the last test I disabled real-time virus protection (Windows Defender), I got 1 432 373 random writes in Samsung Magician. Could have been a random fluctuation in the results or really affected by disabling the virus protection. Could need many runs to see the average effect.
 
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sphinx997 said:
Hi, do you have the additional power connected to the board pcie pwr_1? I have a lot of difficulties with starting my rtx4090 without rtx, the board works ok, after installation it's a disaster
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I didnt understand without rtx commend. However, I didnt connected additional power to pwr_1, since it is designed to power 3RD PCIE slot which Im not using at all.
 
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Alyred said:
Good info to watch for, thanks. I played around with BCLK a little on my test system and it seemed stable on A29, but didn't push anything past 101. Went back to base 100 while testing per-core CO. Are you able to stabilize it by fixing the VCORE to 1.31V or is it still bouncing around when testing?


I have gotten -30 undervolt stable on many of my cores while others are stuck around -15. How are you testing to confirm stability other than booting? My system would often boot at -30 but I'd start to get errors that impacted latency, causing momentary freezes. The thing that I'm using now is Aida64 with FP checked while checking CPU, Memory and Cache. I'm counting 8-9 hours per test without an error as "stable" and with undervolting, I'm sometimes seeing failures running those settings after 5 hours. Saw one of my cores that I was testing at -34 this morning (that passed -30, it's testing now at -34) fail after 5 hours, 43 minutes of testing.
Two of my cores are stable at -35, but I don't think I'll push them any further. It's an eclectic mix of numbers.
My plan is to create processor sets in Process Lasso and run different games/processes that need performance under those core sets, while others that need less performance (web browsing) run on the less-performant cores.
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It definitely bounce from 1.25 to max 1.35 or so, but that is not a problem when it s for a short time.
I’m using auto voltage while setting amd overclocking for cpu voltage so it can request juice if it needs to. But having 1.394 cpu vcore even before boosting is something that is not safe at all😂
 
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Alyred said:
You'll definitely see lower temps during gaming, you won't be processor limited unless you're gaming at 1080p. So that's definitely expected behavior. Cinebench is a great benchmark but doesn't really do stress testing as it won't report errors. If you're mostly gaming this probably won't ever matter so long as you're not experiencing crashes or freezes.
I don't do a huge amount of production workloads, but when I do I can't afford random errors in calculations.
Can you run Samsung's performance tests from within Samsung Magician on your 990's? I don't think we have numbers from A21 in CrystalDiskMark to compare them to.A30, and they use different metrics for random IOPS.
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2tb Samsung 990 Pro in NVMe slot 1, latest official A30 Bios
 

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sphinx997 said:
What I meant was that with the RTX 4090 graphics card installed the computer doesn't start :( can you send the profile for the A27 bios?
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I cant send my profile. I dont think it will work on other board even with same bios or same brand. Also I dont have USB stick.
Now, lets talk about your question. Can you try to force PCIE_E1 to Gen4 instead of Gen5 or auto? Maybe it is the problem.

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Also be sure you've insterted your GPU to PCI_E1, not E3. Like I said you dont need to plug PCIE_PWR1. It is for if you run multiple GPU.
And also be sure your ezrelease button state is "locked" before you instert the gpu, not unlocked.

Finally, these steps for if you cant get screen on. But if your computer is not even powering itself when you plug the 4090, than it is PSU issue. You can try to run it on PCI_E2 for to be sure tho.
 
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sphinx997 said:
as soon as I use the HDMI connector on the board the computer works , rtx 4090 is correctly detected in the system
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May be you're in need of updating your nvidia card firmware : https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5411/~/nvidia-gpu-uefi-firmware-update-toolsee firmware update tool from nvidia
 
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vic123159d02e5 said:
May be you're in need of updating your nvidia card firmware : https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5411/~/nvidia-gpu-uefi-firmware-update-toolsee firmware update tool from nvidia
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I did it on an old computer because I was afraid that something would go wrong on this board and the rtx 4090 would die, now I'm waiting for the board to be replaced with a new one
 
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Has anyone noticed problem with OC from Infinity Fabric? I use 2000mhz, but out of curiosity I tried to change to 2200mhz in AMD overclocking and also MSI overclocking, but when accessing Windows, the speed does not change (keep 2000mhz).
 
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