MPG X870E CARBON WIFI Beta BIOS

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ftran1815a202e8 said:
No change in airflow or hardware. My temp issue has come just after upgrade from A23 to A30. In Cine23 or heavy stress test, temp goes quiclky to my max (88c) in 2/3s.
The only change i can see is at stock with at least a minimum CO-25, max temp starts to drop
I have a custom loop WC with an Alphacool Core 1 waterblock, a 360x45 radiator an Laing DDC-1T 12v. I saw lot of people have better temps with small AIO or even with aircooler and some with big WC (multiple rads) having temp issue. I think it's very depending from bios and MB manufacturers/models.
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I do have a LIAN LI Galahad II Performance AIO, but with fans running at 3000 RPM. It's probably still far less effective than your custom water cooling setup, but I don’t see temps exceeding 73°C in Cinebench R23, with a maximum of 80°C in OCCT. Except for the A30 BIOS, which pushes excessive Vcore on the CPU, these temps remain consistent.
Have you checked recently the contact surface of your water block against the IHS of your cpu ?
Have in mind though that my CO is @-36 and still was @-32 with A30.
 
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vic123159d02e5 said:
I do have a LIAN LI Galahad II Performance AIO, but with fans running at 3000 RPM. It's probably still far less effective than your custom water cooling setup, but I don’t see temps exceeding 73°C in Cinebench R23, with a maximum of 80°C in OCCT. Except for the A30 BIOS, which pushes excessive Vcore on the CPU, these temps remain consistent.
Have you checked recently the contact surface of your water block against the IHS of your cpu ?
Have in mind though that my CO is @-36 and still was @-32 with A30.
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Unlike you i don't have the chance to go as deep as you with CO. Maybe that explains the temps diffrence between you and me. My CO is -20/-11/-20/-22/-18/-18/-19-/23. At the beginning with A23, it was -20/-12/-22/-25/-20/-20/-20/-25
What do you mean by excessive Vcore? I've mine to 1.28 max (peak) but around 1.115v average. Is it possible to fixed a max vcore value in bios?
 
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ftran1815a202e8 said:
Unlike you i don't have the chance to go as deep as you with CO. Maybe that explains the temps diffrence between you and me. My CO is -20/-11/-20/-22/-18/-18/-19-/23. At the beginning with A23, it was -20/-12/-22/-25/-20/-20/-20/-25
What do you mean by excessive Vcore? I've mine to 1.28 max (peak) but around 1.115v average. Is it possible to fixed a max vcore value in bios?
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There’s something somewhat similar in the BIOS where you can set adaptive CPU settings. I played around with those options, they sounded promising but didn’t deliver for me(or may be I just didn't spent enough time tweaking it). You can set a max Vcore at max CPU speed range , but it’s not exactly what you're asking for.
Definitely not what I'm using, in your case the limiting factor must indeed be the temps.
Did you try to set Soc Vcore @1.3 ( still safe) , in my case it's default value, but whenever I set it lower it impacts the CO negative value that I can dial.
This way may be you could go at higher negative CO, also I don't really think your per core tweaking on CO does benefits you, in all benchmark I tried tuning per core CO did not help at all, every bench was like aligning on worst core CO value. I'm pretty sure a -15 or -20 all core would give you a better result and probably would be stable.


ps : With my overclock, I occasionally see vcore spikes up to 1.35V, but temps remain quite good
If it's stable you probably could set Loadline calibration at 6-8, which would result in less consistent power but also lower heat, also maybe try to use pbo scalar to minimum +1 or +2 to see if it helps with your temps, but surely won't help performance wise.
 
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Hey Svet
Would it be possible to add a ekstra feature into our bios. I have added a picture of the Advanced\Peripherals\Onboard Lan Configuration: What i ask if it possible to add a simple text modifer to the 2 On board lan controller. Maybe add a 2.5 Gbs lan controller and add 5 Gbs lan controller, so that the user can know what lan controller they have activated and such. A quality of life feature added to the awesome motherboard?
Yours
Kim Hviid
 

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vic123159d02e5 said:
I just tested A30 vs A25 since I can't find the A23 BIOS anywhere anymore. With the same settings, I’m getting about 100 more points in Cinebench R23 with A25 compared to A30. Plus, I can push further in CO, A30 had me stuck at -32 CO all core, but with A25, I can go back to my -36 all core settings and squeeze out another 100 points in CB23.
24102 on multi-core with A30 @ 103 bclk -32 CO
24205 on multi-core with A25 @ 103 bclk -32 CO
24309 on multi-core with A25 @ 103 bclk -36 CO
I think my best result was with A21, or maybe even an earlier version, can't remember, @24530, with bclk at 104 and CO at -39 all core if I’m recalling correctly. The issue with A21 and all prior bios, was that it had too many problems for me, especially with USB devices and boot behavior, even at stock speeds.

I disable spread spectrum, switch core frequency @ 1000kHz, load line calibration@3, and use scalar at 10. I have a few other settings that I use, mostly for tweaking the RAM and disabling the integrated graphics chip on the processor
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Excellent direct comparison numbers. I'll have to check what my LLC is set at. I wonder if the 100 point difference directly related to your ability to push the CO lower on A25?

I had a BSOD last night while in game and watching a video, in NTOSKRNL. I did roll my net driver back to 10.72 to do some other comparison testing (was seeing random net drops with a couple of monitoring apps sensitive to network connections), so maybe it's related to that, but with all the troubles the nVidia driver has been having lately, I definitely can't rule that out either. Here's to hoping MSI puts out a BIOS soon that adresses the performance issues without breaking something, that we can all move up to.
 
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ftran1815a202e8 said:
No change in airflow or hardware. My temp issue has come just after upgrade from A23 to A30. In Cine23 or heavy stress test, temp goes quiclky to my max (88c) in 2/3s.
The only change i can see is at stock with at least a minimum CO-25, max temp starts to drop
I have a custom loop WC with an Alphacool Core 1 waterblock, a 360x45 radiator an Laing DDC-1T 12v. I saw lot of people have better temps with small AIO or even with aircooler and some with big WC (multiple rads) having temp issue. I think it's very depending from bios and MB manufacturers/models.
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Just curious what TIM you are using? PCM, paste, or LM? It wouldn't make the difference here but with a custom loop (which I haven't tried myself yet) I'm wondering what the preferred mat is. I've been using Kryosheets for my last couple of builds and they work well, but not any appreciably better than the best pastes. It's in the convenience and reusability that I'm finding benefit.
 
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Alyred said:
Excellent direct comparison numbers. I'll have to check what my LLC is set at. I wonder if the 100 point difference directly related to your ability to push the CO lower on A25?

I had a BSOD last night while in game and watching a video, in NTOSKRNL. I did roll my net driver back to 10.72 to do some other comparison testing (was seeing random net drops with a couple of monitoring apps sensitive to network connections), so maybe it's related to that, but with all the troubles the nVidia driver has been having lately, I definitely can't rule that out either. Here's to hoping MSI puts out a BIOS soon that adresses the performance issues without breaking something, that we can all move up to.
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Yes, CO is definitely making a big difference in Cinebench R23, but at the same CO, I'm already seeing 100 points more on A25 compared to the A30 BIOS. Also, just for testing purposes, I tried running @6233 DDR5 @ CL30. I get better results in OCCT and AIDA, but worse results in Cinebench (which is strange because I always thought Cinebench doesn't care at all about memory speed) and 3DMark.
Also, to be honest, pushing the CPU this hard with BCLK has absolutely no benefits beyond 102.5 BCLK for multi-core, but since I'm hungry for single-thread performance in my sim racing, it does help in that kind of scenario.

EDIT, pushing the memory @6233 @CL26 got me back at 8320 @cl34 performance , though it needs quite a lot voltage : 1.62 v ( but I don't mind, I'm well under critical temps on that memory chip :36-38c max) . Latency wise my 6000+ settings destroys my 8000+ settings now and in Y-cruncher PI test nr 8, it's about 1 second faster.
So maybe I'll keep it that way. I have yet to see how it performs in games.
The good news with that board, is its outstanding stable memory overclock IMO (or it's just my memory kit that is gold..)
Edit2: game wise, I still have better performance @8320mhz cl34.
 
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Alyred said:
Just curious what TIM you are using? PCM, paste, or LM? It wouldn't make the difference here but with a custom loop (which I haven't tried myself yet) I'm wondering what the preferred mat is. I've been using Kryosheets for my last couple of builds and they work well, but not any appreciably better than the best pastes. It's in the convenience and reusability that I'm finding benefit.
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I'm using Alphacool Apex thermal paste. To be sure, i tried to lean my water tank to see if my flow is correct and i saw a kind of piece of my tube floating inside. Now i'm thinking that my temp issue is due to clogging somewhere in my loop. I will need to bleed and clean my enitre loop to be sure. Maybe Bios update will be innocent 😅
 
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Lost my WiFi on 31 did a full CMOS reset I went back to 30 and it all good again .don't know when it happen I don't use it wifi. I did not have this problem ever on this board.
 
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I had said that my board did not work well with the A31 BIOS version, because with each "cold boot" the LED showed code 0A for almost 4 minutes and then the boot started. I returned to the A30 version, it was the same way, and it before it worked better. Then I went back to the A31 version, started working on the tightening of the CPU block screws on the socket, went through several errors (00, C5, 0A), but after so much trying, I got a tightening that allowed me to turn on the computer normally, from restarting when a cold boot. The last time I worked in these screws, I spent almost 2 weeks with no problem, then started to get strange alone.
 
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RobsonByte said:
I had said that my board did not work well with the A31 BIOS version, because with each "cold boot" the LED showed code 0A for almost 4 minutes and then the boot started. I returned to the A30 version, it was the same way, and it before it worked better. Then I went back to the A31 version, started working on the tightening of the CPU block screws on the socket, went through several errors (00, C5, 0A), but after so much trying, I got a tightening that allowed me to turn on the computer normally, from restarting when a cold boot. The last time I worked in these screws, I spent almost 2 weeks with no problem, then started to get strange alone.
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Was it too tight or too loose or just uneven ?
 
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vic123159d02e5 said:
Was it too tight or too loose or just uneven ?
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It was irregular, but if I twisted it 1mm to either side it was enough to prevent the CPU from making full contact with the socket. The strange thing is that I hadn't even touched it after getting a tightening that worked. Too much tightening, error 0A, too little tightening, error 00 or C5. I suspect that some problems are not even in the BIOS, but rather physical.
 
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RobsonByte said:
Он был неровным, но если я его поверну на 1 мм в любую сторону, этого было достаточно, чтобы процессор не смог полностью соприкоснуться с сокетом. Странно, что я даже не прикоснулся к нему после того, как затянул его так, что он сработал. Слишком сильно затянул — ошибка 0А, слишком слабо — ошибка 00 или C5. Я подозреваю, что некоторые проблемы даже не в BIOS, а скорее физически.
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Check what socket you have and whether the ILM (integrated loading mechanism) is made by Foxconn or Lotes.

I’ve seen reports that Foxconn sockets sometimes don’t make proper contact with the CPU, leading to issues.

Keep in mind that the socket itself could be Foxconn, while the ILM (retention bracket) is from Lotes.
In that case, try using a custom contact frame (like Thermal Grizzly or similar) to improve pressure and contact.
 
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In my case I am already using a custom contact frame. With the original ILM, no chance, without contact, so I leave install another form of contact between the CPU and the socket, but still still generates problems because it has not fully solved.
 
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Following my temp problems, i cleaned all my watercooled custom loop because the problem was finally my coolant liquid which created some kind of gummy paste inside my waterblock and blocked my flow.
Now i found back my good temps i had at the begining with the A23 bios. And now with A31 i have a better OC and score in bench but without the A23 issues. For me, everything works well with A31 for now.
 
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ftran1815a202e8 said:
Following my temp problems, i cleaned all my watercooled custom loop because the problem was finally my coolant liquid which created some kind of gummy paste inside my waterblock and blocked my flow.
Now i found back my good temps i had at the begining with the A23 bios. And now with A31 i have a better OC and score in bench but without the A23 issues. For me, everything works well with A31 for now.
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A31 being the one and only bios to have killed my system, I think I'll wait for the next one ;)
 
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