MSI BIOS Update to address Intel Raptor Lake Instability - enforce Intel standard power limits?

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Will MSI be issuing a BIOS update yo address the ongoing Raptor Lake instability issues. ASUS has already issued a beta update allowing for a enforcement to standard Raptor Lake power limits... Will MSI be following suit? I am currently sitting with a Z790 Godlike with Intel 14900K and experiencing issues regardless of what I do to tweak the BIOS. While some tweaks make situation better it never seems to resolve without drastic power reductions. Can we just get a BIOS with enforced standards and I'll determine my overclocks, is update in the works? If there is already a current tread on this then I apologize and ask moderator to move.
 
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blufk158802e0 said:
if I set LL to 9 my cinebench r23 mc score was cut almost in half.
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Then you need to disable IA CEP, it's kicking in. It's almost impossible to test properly when IA CEP becomes active, it messes with things too much. Also see my newly created thread How to set good power limits in the BIOS and reduce the CPU power draw.

About lowering CPU Lite Load on a 14900K/KS, read here, it's probably the most difficult CPU to do it on (if you don't happen to have really amazing IA core quality). The -K is at the limit, the best -K become a -KS, but then the -KS is equally at the limit, just at a slightly higher one, so there is nothing gained. The only way to immediately take a bit of stress out of the system would be to turn the -KS into a -K, clocks-wise. Just 200 MHz less and you will have an exeptional -K model, with pretty much the same performance within the margin of error as the -KS.
 
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Timespy at LL11 CPU is at 5.9 way more but score dropped 300 points - sorry for all the posts free time on my hands today :) - not sure if I should stick with this bios and the LL12 or deal with the 300 point hit and use LL11... thoughts @citay ?

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HWMON info LL11
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citay said:
Then you need to disable IA CEP, it's kicking in. It's almost impossible to test properly when IA CEP becomes active, it messes with things too much. Also see my newly created thread How to set good power limits in the BIOS and reduce the CPU power draw.

About lowering CPU Lite Load on a 14900K/KS, read here, it's probably the most difficult CPU to do it on (if you don't happen to have really amazing IA core quality). The -K is at the limit, the best -K become a -KS, but then the -KS is equally at the limit, just at a slightly higher one, so there is nothing gained. The only way to immediately take a bit of stress out of the system would be to turn the -KS into a -K, clocks-wise. Just 200 MHz less and you will have an exeptional -K model, with pretty much the same performance within the margin of error as the -KS.
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Let me disable CEP and give this a go at LL9 and report back. Check that last post if you can let me know what you think?
 
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32411 score = 100%
32197 score = 99.34%
Difference = 0.66%

Margin of error is usually ~2%. So this "drop" is not worth mentioning. Heck, running HWinfo in the background probably causes a couple hundred points less. Any background activity can easily cause this, i wouldn't obsess over such small things.
 
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I think Im good with these results. Going to keep the new beta and LL9 at this point. Had to get the LL tweaked a little. Thanks @citay for your time and input.
LL9 -0.065
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Welp -0.065 seems to be a little to aggressive of a uv @LL9 BF2042 threw a WHEA 3 minutes into a game. No crash but - added 0.05 back so trying now at -0.060 will keep tinkering till its stable and report back as soon as I can. #gameon :)
 
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blufk158802e0 said:
Welp -0.065 seems to be a little to aggressive of a uv @LL9 BF2042 threw a WHEA 3 minutes into a game. No crash but - added 0.05 back so trying now at -0.060 will keep tinkering till its stable and report back as soon as I can. #gameon :)
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After 2 more game sessions with whea errors less than a minute or 2 in I am now sitting at 0.055 2042 will trigger a whea if its going to happen so its a good test lol - got a full game in with 128 players and so far so good. Looking like this may be the stable mark for me. 32374 on my last timespy at this config. I have blown this thread up enough today, I know in the past when tinkering with voltages it could be days before I could see an error or crash so time will tell. Ill update here in a few days after I have had more time to game on it. At least I am on the latest microcode and voltages/temps are good. And dangit I cleaned up previous 3dmark results not thinking I had linked them here.. so removed those stale links.uhhg.... long day.
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No wheas this afternoon - was getting them idle overnight and this morning bumping up 0.05 each time I got one before I reached where I am now -0.040 and so far so good since been benching it and gaming on ith since 10am'ish and no more wheas - temps/voltages are up a little but thats to be expected. Ill roll with this for a week and if its stable - then maybe test with LL 10 and the -0.065 uv (went from 11 to 9 without testing 10) just to see if the temps drop anymore but honestly Im ok with this as long as it stays stable. Cinebenchr23 score is about the same - timespy dropped a smidge but thats OK. Idle temps are 29/30c and I stay under 70c gaming (between 50'/68c).

Timespy - the long flat sections in purple are 5.9ghz the one higher peak was 6.2ghz (reset minmax before I ran)
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and cinebenchr23 (reset minmax before I ran)

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As I have a 14700KF I have been monitoring my CPU closely through HWINFO64 and the event viewer. I have had zero stability issues with the CPU since I got it last November. I took precautions to set my bios settings slightly lower than Intel's recommended settings. I'm also on the latest bios for my MSI MAG TOMAHAWK Z790.

Now, I've tested my system with OCCT, Cinebench R23 and I've played a lot of UE5 games such as TEKKEN 8 and I haven't seen any errors or issues reported in HWINFO65 (or during the hour long OCCT runs).

However, I've noticed a handful of WHEA information events recorded in Event Viewer:

Information: WHEA-Logger
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Event ID: 3
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A hardware event has occurred. An informational record describing the condition is contained in the data section of this event.
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  • As these are information events, should I be concerend?
  • I can't find munch info about these events online, so any idea what it actually refers to?
  • any other thoughts would be welcome.
Thanks for your time!
 
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crimson8814f802d4 said:
As I have a 14700KF I have been monitoring my CPU closely through HWINFO64 and the event viewer. I have had zero stability issues with the CPU since I got it last November. I took precautions to set my bios settings slightly lower than Intel's recommended settings. I'm also on the latest bios for my MSI MAG TOMAHAWK Z790.

Now, I've tested my system with OCCT, Cinebench R23 and I've played a lot of UE5 games such as TEKKEN 8 and I haven't seen any errors or issues reported in HWINFO65 (or during the hour long OCCT runs).

However, I've noticed a handful of WHEA information events recorded in Event Viewer:




  • As these are information events, should I be concerend?
  • I can't find munch info about these events online, so any idea what it actually refers to?
  • any other thoughts would be welcome.
Thanks for your time!
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I have read that if its a event vs an error it is a bug that can occur if you enter the bios on a restart to make changes. Not sure how much truth to that there is or if the errors line up timing wise for you or not. I dont like seeing naythign whea related so anytime I am in the bios whether I make a change or not I clear the logs in event viewer so I have a cleanslate to keep an eye on.
 
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blufk158802e0 said:
Yah dig into it I cant remember where I saw that I stated above but event vs error maybe it was the below link but its been a minute sorry bro.
https://www.reddit.com/r/overclocking/comments/r8k51g
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Ha! Just found the same source. Looks like it’s a bug then. It’s not a warning or an error code, just info and I definitely have restarted into bios to change settings lately. I’m 90% sure I did that around the time of the last event. Cheers!
 
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Otto_83 said:
I had installed the new BIOS with the new micro code (125) for the Z790 GAMING PLUS WIFI with the i7-14700k on board.
After a couple of days I reverted back to the previous BIOS version “7E06vH52(Beta version)”, because even with the same BIOS settings, the CPU temperatures had increased about 10° under heavy load.
In my case, I think it is better to wait for the “final fix” from Intel before upgrading to a new BIOS.
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I solved the temperature problem I had with the BIOS with the latest micro code(125).
I installed the new BIOS again and configured it with the same settings I was using with the old beta BIOS.
I ran a test with Cinebench R23 and the CPU was in thermal throttling after a few minutes.
So I encountered the same problem which made me go back to the previous Beta BIOS (h52).
But this time I didn't want to go back to the old Beta BIOS, so I rebooted the PC, entered in the BIOS and loaded the default optimized settings.
After that I reconfigured the BIOS from scratch including the fans curve, so set the same settings I had previously:
-Intel Standard Profile
-Enhanced Turbo = Disabled
-PL1-PL2= 175w
-CPU Lite Load = Mode 7
-IA CEP Support = Disabled
-IA CEP Support for 14th =Disabled
All other settings set automatically by BIOS.
I rebooted the PC and ran another test with cinebench r23, this time I had no issues even with new BIOS (125).
Now the temperatures are fine.
Basically, the difference from the previous time I installed the new BIOS (125), is this time I reset the BIOS with the default optimized settings and then reconfigured it.
A simple thing to do, but it made a big difference.
 

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