MSI BIOS Update to address Intel Raptor Lake Instability - enforce Intel standard power limits?

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Will MSI be issuing a BIOS update yo address the ongoing Raptor Lake instability issues. ASUS has already issued a beta update allowing for a enforcement to standard Raptor Lake power limits... Will MSI be following suit? I am currently sitting with a Z790 Godlike with Intel 14900K and experiencing issues regardless of what I do to tweak the BIOS. While some tweaks make situation better it never seems to resolve without drastic power reductions. Can we just get a BIOS with enforced standards and I'll determine my overclocks, is update in the works? If there is already a current tread on this then I apologize and ask moderator to move.
 
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AndyTheGreat said:
I think they'll stay beta until Intel finished investigating their processors degradation case
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Methinks you are exactly right. I did the latest Beta (6/19/24) for the Carbon wifi last night, set wattage limits to 253 for the Noctua NH-D15 and it's stable but hot. I did undervolt and now I max at 80C on Cinebench but at a performance hit of course. At this point I'll live with it. Let's see what MSI releases as the real fix. Hopefully before 15th Gen is released. :sneaky:
 
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It's July 18, and still no bios with the new microcode for the z790 ace while all max models have the new bios dating from the end of June.

It's scandalous msi to leave old motherboards on the sidelines.
They are exactly the same motherboards, why are you dragging them on purpose?
Are you trying to push consumption by buying a max model?
 
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The threads on here with citay and others have been some of the best I've found, I need to kill myself and read the entire 7 pages. I'm done with the YouTube pontifications that pull you in every direction and I'm tired of guessing. Glad I found this.
 
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PaulieDC said:
The threads on here with citay and others have been some of the best I've found, I need to kill myself and read the entire 7 pages. I'm done with the YouTube pontifications that pull you in every direction and I'm tired of guessing. Glad I found this.
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I know just what you mean. But one YouTube guy who’s pontifications are still worth listening to is BuildZoid over on his Actually Hardcore Overclocking channel. Unfortunately, he does so like to ramble on in one continuous stream of consciousness, and he has a little trouble with the Ringbus between his brain and his mouth; but oh boy does he do a good job at peering under the hood, especially when he’s using his oscilloscope. In fact, I’d take his educated guess over many other people’s facts. He has a very good track record at guessing what is wrong even before ASUS, etc. have figured it out. And I think he has a good theory on what is going on with the i9’s. It’s the best theory I’ve heard yet. In fact, I’d put money on it that he turns out to be right.
 
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tommy81120 said:
It's July 18, and still no bios with the new microcode for the z790 ace while all max models have the new bios dating from the end of June.
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Has a new microcode update for z790 chipset motherboards been released recently?
The latest beta bios for my Z790 GAMING PLUS WIFI was released on 2024-05-31, its microcode is ME_16.1.30.2361
This is the description on support page:
MSI Z790 GAMING PLUS WIFI
AMI BIOS7E06vH52(Beta version)
-Replaced MSI's own tweaked system power settings with added Intel Default Settings, and users can still optimize system performance with alternatives from MSI.
- ME Firmware ver: -ME_16.1.30.2361
- ME Firmware update SOP
 
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Good morning. Just wanted to ask for opinions regarding the results of my i5-14600k that i just built a couple of days earlier.

On the MSI Bios I have PL1-PL2 at 181W and Current Limit at 200A per Intel. At idle the CPU voltage hovers, in general, from 1.235V to 1.37V. Temperatures were around 39C to 42C. When i ran Cinebench R23 multi thread only, I got 22487 points at 150A, roughly 180W and 87C package. P-Core 5 was the only one that throttled.

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Do you think these are good results broadly speaking? I have not touched anything else on the Bios apart from Memory Try it, because with XMP, my ram will not go at 6400Mhz that is rated at, and I have it at 6000MHz. Before the tests and the bios tweak, I had the cooling profile of MSI at tower cooler, without any instability, or high temps, at least in games. The reason I did the Bios was of the current that was on the profile at 400A and that scared me a bit.

On the other hand on 3dMark on the nomad and timespy tests I get bellow average results for the system that I have.

Here is my config:
Case: Kolink Unity Code X
CPU: i5-14600KF
M/B: MSI Z790 Tomahawk WIFI MAX
Ram: G-Skill Trident DDR5 32G @ 6400MHz
GPU: Palit RTX 4080 Super
PSU: BeQuiet! Pure Power 12M 1000W
Cooling: DarkFlash DX-360 V2.6 rated at 288W TDP on top of the case
Fans: 6x DeepCool RF120 (3x on the side and three on the bottom as intakes) and one 120mm that came with the case acting as exhaust

The system has not broken more than 65c on day to day tasks. 87c was the maximum on Cinebench. On Alan Wake2 with everything on max 4K including path tracing I get 27 to 32 fps.

I just need your opinions.

Thanks in advance for the help.
 
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Otto_83 said:
Has a new microcode update for z790 chipset motherboards been released recently?
The latest beta bios for my Z790 GAMING PLUS WIFI was released on 2024-05-31, its microcode is ME_16.1.30.2361
This is the description on support page:
MSI Z790 GAMING PLUS WIFI
AMI BIOS7E06vH52(Beta version)
-Replaced MSI's own tweaked system power settings with added Intel Default Settings, and users can still optimize system performance with alternatives from MSI.
- ME Firmware ver: -ME_16.1.30.2361
- ME Firmware update SOP
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The majority of motherboards received micro code 0x125 at the end of June, while we are still with micro code 0x123 from February.
It is not normal
 
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tommy81120 said:
The majority of motherboards received micro code 0x125 at the end of June, while we are still with micro code 0x123 from February.
It is not normal
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I agree with you.
However, I see no particular reason to not release major updates, such as this one, on some of their products that are still in production.
So, I hope they will also update our motherboard models soon.
 
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dasgeist3152b02d5 said:
Good morning. Just wanted to ask for opinions regarding the results of my i5-14600k that i just built a couple of days earlier.
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It might be a good idea for you to start a new thread with the same information you provided above so that we can try and keep this thread more focused on BIOS updates and universal settings for 13th/14th stability. Also, try and use the PRINTSCREEN button (or Windows Snip-It tool or equivalent) to take snapshots of HWInfo when all the panels are visible - rather than photos. You do this by simply dragging the HWInfo sensors window to resize it horizontally across the screen into three or more panels.
 
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Well... Gamers Nexus have just rolled out a video with some gruesome pre-conclusions... What about Intel? They keep silent about the issue, meanwhile talking about raising the temperature limits for the 14900K to 105 degrees and preparing the launch of Ultra 2xx...
 
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AndyTheGreat said:
Well... Gamers Nexus have just rolled out a video with some gruesome pre-conclusions... What about Intel? They keep silent about the issue, meanwhile talking about raising the temperature limits for the 14900K to 105 degrees and preparing the launch of Ultra 2xx...
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I watched that video last night in the thought that I would post it over on the thread I started about media reports of possible degradation - https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?...a-reports-of-serious-stability-issues.399834/. However, I didn‘t think it added enough to the earlier reports by Wendell (Level1Techs) of the potential source of the issue. The oxidation theory wasn‘t something that was actionable by an end user, and it seemed a little too speculative at this point. I might be wrong, but my instincts tell me that we might not have too much longer to wait for an official announcement by Intel. The pressure is just building too quickly for them to continue to remain silent. And hopefully their announcement will finally give us the clarity we are looking for as to what the heck is going on inside these chips.

BTW, the video does introduce the idea that 13th gen i7’s (and even some i5’s) could be affected, but from what I have seen (and I’ve been looking real closely) the vast majority of user comments (on recent news articles and YouTube videos) have been overwhelmingly positive about their extended 13700x experiences - once they had dialed in the BIOS settings, of course. Therefore, I don’t think i7 owners should worry too much at this point. However, what I would like to see is Intel prepare one more Raptor Lake refresh to give owners of the Z690/Z790 platform peace of mind.
 
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Where is the BIOS update for Z790 Godlike that Intel stated customers should apply by 7/18/2024? We are past that date.

Seriously MSI? Spend over $1000 on a motherboard and you can't even get microcode updates out for it timely? Not to mention, I believe there still is no update for the months-old 13th gen APO support released by Intel, either!
 
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SyntheticStatus said:
Where is the BIOS update for Z790 Godlike that Intel stated customers should apply by 7/18/2024? We are past that date.

Seriously MSI? Spend over $1000 on a motherboard and you can't even get microcode updates out for it timely? Not to mention, I believe there still is no update for the months-old 13th gen APO support released by Intel, either!
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I completely agree with you, this is scandalous.
it's the same with my meg ace z790, still no bios with the new micro code while several models have the new bios!!
Why msi???
 
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SyntheticStatus said:
Where is the BIOS update for Z790 Godlike that Intel stated customers should apply by 7/18/2024? We are past that date.

Seriously MSI? Spend over $1000 on a motherboard and you can't even get microcode updates out for it timely? Not to mention, I believe there still is no update for the months-old 13th gen APO support released by Intel, either!
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tommy81120 said:
I completely agree with you, this is scandalous.
it's the same with my meg ace z790, still no bios with the new micro code while several models have the new bios!!
Why msi???
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I could only see the reason being one of two things:
1) They are simply prioritizing the boards they have sold the greatest quantity of, thus the largest number of raw customers
2) The issue is more likely to cause a problem with lower quality motherboards with lesser power circuitry
 
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SyntheticStatus said:
I could only see the reason being one of two things:
1) They are simply prioritizing the boards they have sold the greatest quantity of, thus the largest number of raw customers
2) The issue is more likely to cause a problem with lower quality motherboards with lesser power circuitry
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I think that's a good theory, and I would add to this that my Z590 Carbon and Z590 Gaming Plus look practically identical in terms of traces, etc. No doubt this is the case for many of the motherboards below the Carbon, and it would certainly make it easier to bang out a BIOS for all of them with minimal effort. Meanwhile, the boards above the Carbon, or at the very bottom, are quite unique. Hopefully, you will see your anticipated BIOS updates soon.
 
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No, this theory does not hold, because the z790 meg ace max received the bios, as well as the godlike max model, except those are both high-end products, with large VRM
while other models like the MAG Z790 TOMAHAWK WIFI have also received their new bios
 
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Well, Intel has revealed the reason for the crashes officially. Bug in the microcode causing voltage issues that are harming the CPU over time.

Intel will have a microcode to fix - that would be 0x126 - released to mobo makers by mid-August

So 0x125, basically a pointless speed bump, MSI boards all need to get updated to 0x126. I wouldn't expect that until late-august to mid-september.
 
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