MSI MAG B660M Mortar WIFI+i7 13700k - greatly overstated voltage and heat dissipation

sanctus

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Recently I finished my new PC which includes MSI MAG B660M Mortar WIFI+i7 13700k. After updating bios to the last version and load bios optimized default values i runned few tests including Cinebench R23 and i immediately noticed very high vcore - 1,44v and TDP more than 320W. As a result CPU temp reached 100C and thermal throttling began.
But the Cinebench result was pretty OK - 29200 which is almost normal (I've seen 310000 on 13700K in some reviews)
So, i tried to found out how to reduce both Vcore and TDP.
Minimal possible negative offset in this MB is only -0.05v so it doesn't help a lot. Next i tried to reduce level of cpu lite load control (default was 9 in my case) - both directly or switch it in advance mode and reducing DC and AC loadline (default were 80 which match to 9 level of lite control). Decreasing these values had great impact on both vcore and TDP - f.e. setting lite control to 7 led to Vcore to reasonable 1,35v and tdp about 220-250w. Temp in this case was only 80 under Cinebech test.
BUT!!! This decreasing has a geat impact on СPU performance - i got only near 20000 score in Cinebench insted of 30000. The problem is that in this case IA CEP detected 'fake' vdroop and tried to 'protect' CPU by throttling it. And unlike many others MBs IA CEP couldn't be disable in bios.
So, this problem with high CPU Vcore is totally unsolved in this MB - both approaches with negative offset or decreasing AC\DC loadlines level don't work due to BIOS functionality restriction. What is the big shame cause from hardware prospective this MB is one of the best on 660 chipset which could easily run any CPU 12\13 gen including 13900k.
I'm totally disappointed in this MB and will try to replace it to anything else.

P.S. For cooling I use custom made water cooling which includes 2 D5 pumps, 3 radiators (2x280mm and 240mm) and EK velocity waterblock so there is no bottlenecks here.I tried to change thermal paste and control the pressure of the water block - everything is perfect in this part. But there's no way to dispel more than 300 watts from CPU without deliding it.
 
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Incredible idiocy, how can you design a motherboard that does not change voltages, I understand it is not a z690 on which you can overclock, but so that idiots do not come up with the possibility of reducing the voltage to reduce power consumption and reduce processor temperatures, it turns out that the b660 is only up to i5 12400 / f because everything above will overheat.Congratulations !!!!!
 

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AFAIK, it can be disabled if you have a Z690 MB, not available on B660.
Yep, probably. But as fas i know there's no Intel's restrictions for disabling it on B600 chipset. Only BIOS functionality matters.
 

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I have also seen similar thread and workaround is to stick to older BIOS (vA.6 in your case). If you wanna bypass the 0.05v max negative offset, use "throttlestop" to do it
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Lower CPU vcore and cache voltage using FIVR tab and temperature will drop a lot while performance stays around the same.
To me, it still looks like a B660 limitation (offset triggers CEP), have you noticed any other brand can lower vcore while not hurting performance?
ASUS/Gigabyte seems to make IA CEP available to user but wondering if it really can be disabled for good properly.
 

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I have also seen similar thread and workaround is to stick to older BIOS (vA.6 in your case). If you wanna bypass the 0.05v max negative offset, use "throttlestop" to do it
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Lower CPU vcore and cache voltage using FIVR tab and temperature will drop a lot while performance stays around the same.
To me, it still looks like a B660 limitation (offset triggers CEP), have you noticed any other brand can lower vcore while not hurting performance?
ASUS/Gigabyte seems to make IA CEP available to user but wondering if it really can be disabled for good properly.
I'm using this method, but I want the official to change the bios, now my temperature has dropped by 20 degrees, but why doesn't the official solve this problem
 

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Hey! Thanks for advise of trying throttlestop. I've done this but it seems that it doesnt' impact on CPU behaviour - I set negative offset of -0,150v both for CPU Core and CPU Cache but the temp\TDP\CPU vcore was the same in the Cinebench tests. Officially, throttlestop supports only Alfer Lake but not Raptor Lake so may be it the reason...
 

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嘿!感谢您尝试油门停止的建议。我已经这样做了,但似乎它不会影响 CPU 行为 - 我为 CPU 核心和 CPU 缓存设置了负偏移量 -0,150v,但在 Cinebench 测试中,临时\TDP\CPU vcore是相同的。官方称,油门停止只支持阿尔弗湖,不支持猛禽湖,所以可能是原因......
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您不需要最新的 BIOS,而是需要另一个 BIOS
(7D42v17 2022-07-07)
此版本不会像最新的 BIOS 那样工作,但它可以与软件一起使用,并且不会过多地降低电压。我将电压降低了0.1v。
 

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您不需要最新的 BIOS,而是需要另一个 BIOS
(7D42v17 2022-07-07)
此版本不会像最新的 BIOS 那样工作,但它可以与软件一起使用,并且不会过多地降低电压。我将电压降低了0.1v。
I don't think that using this BIOS (7D42v17 2022-07-07) is a good idea - it was create before Raptor Lake gen was announced and I'm not sure that it could support 13700k CPU. AFAIK throttlestop latest beta version could work with Raptor Lake and i will try it as far as i get app.
 

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[引用=“圣人,帖子:2167063,成员:212500”]
嘿!感谢您尝试油门停止的建议。我已经这样做了,但似乎它不会影响 CPU 行为 - 我为 CPU 核心和 CPU 缓存设置了负偏移量 -0,150v,但在 Cinebench 测试中,临时\TDP\CPU vcore是相同的。官方称,油门停止只支持阿尔弗湖,不支持猛禽湖,所以可能是原因......
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您不需要最新的 BIOS,而是需要另一个 BIOS
(7D42v17 2022-07-07)
此版本不会像最新的 BIOS 那样工作,但它可以与软件一起使用,并且不会过多地降低电压。我将电压降低了0.1v。
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I'm using this method, but I want the official to change the bios, now my temperature has dropped by 20 degrees, but why doesn't the official solve this problem
Likey blocked by Intel they do not like OC settings in non-oc boards so they block with bios updates.

As far as intel is concerned you have XMP so that is all you need unless you wish to pony up for a 690 board
MSI run a bypass Intel block it in next BIOS version
 

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I don't think that using this BIOS (7D42v17 2022-07-07) is a good idea - it was create before Raptor Lake gen was announced and I'm not sure that it could support 13700k CPU. AFAIK throttlestop latest beta version could work with Raptor Lake and i will try it as far as i get app.
Can you share me the latest Throttlestop
 
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I don't think that using this BIOS (7D42v17 2022-07-07) is a good idea - it was create before Raptor Lake gen was announced and I'm not sure that it could support 13700k CPU. AFAIK throttlestop latest beta version could work with Raptor Lake and i will try it as far as i get app.
Can you share me the latest Throttlestop
 
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>>Please read and comply with the Forum Rules.<<

Likey blocked by Intel they do not like OC settings in non-oc boards so they block with bios updates.

As far as intel is concerned you have XMP so that is all you need unless you wish to pony up for a 690 board
MSI run a bypass Intel block it in next BIOS version
B660 temperature is very high, if you adjust the bios performance will be completely lost.
 
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MSI run a bypass Intel block it in next BIOS version
Cross my fingers:)
As far as intel is concerned you have XMP so that is all you need unless you wish to pony up for a 690 board
Yep, may be it has a sense but we're talking only about ability of UV - no OC and related stuff at all...So it doesn't clear for me restrictions of "B" chipsets in this area.
 

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Cross my fingers:)

Yep, may be it has a sense but we're talking only about ability of UV - no OC and related stuff at all...So it doesn't clear for me restrictions of "B" chipsets in this area.
Z-series motherboards can turn off cep (Current Excursion Protection), but B-series motherboards cannot, and this is the reason. And using the old bios with Throttlestop can bypass the blockade of cep.
 

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It's not in public access at the moment so you should better ask author directly in this thread - https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/intel-13th-gen-support.301584/#post-4924823. But I've already tried this version yesterday - it doesn't work too, at least with offset settings.
I saw your results on the Techpowerup forum, so you're left with my method. Using an older version of bios may not improve the best efficiency, but it can keep your computer cooler. Don't lower the voltage too much, if your CPU health is not too good, it will be damaged. I recommend lowering it by 0.1v.
 
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