MSI MAG B660M Mortar WIFI+i7 13700k - greatly overstated voltage and heat dissipation

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Recently I finished my new PC which includes MSI MAG B660M Mortar WIFI+i7 13700k. After updating bios to the last version and load bios optimized default values i runned few tests including Cinebench R23 and i immediately noticed very high vcore - 1,44v and TDP more than 320W. As a result CPU temp reached 100C and thermal throttling began.
But the Cinebench result was pretty OK - 29200 which is almost normal (I've seen 310000 on 13700K in some reviews)
So, i tried to found out how to reduce both Vcore and TDP.
Minimal possible negative offset in this MB is only -0.05v so it doesn't help a lot. Next i tried to reduce level of cpu lite load control (default was 9 in my case) - both directly or switch it in advance mode and reducing DC and AC loadline (default were 80 which match to 9 level of lite control). Decreasing these values had great impact on both vcore and TDP - f.e. setting lite control to 7 led to Vcore to reasonable 1,35v and tdp about 220-250w. Temp in this case was only 80 under Cinebech test.
BUT!!! This decreasing has a geat impact on СPU performance - i got only near 20000 score in Cinebench insted of 30000. The problem is that in this case IA CEP detected 'fake' vdroop and tried to 'protect' CPU by throttling it. And unlike many others MBs IA CEP couldn't be disable in bios.
So, this problem with high CPU Vcore is totally unsolved in this MB - both approaches with negative offset or decreasing AC\DC loadlines level don't work due to BIOS functionality restriction. What is the big shame cause from hardware prospective this MB is one of the best on 660 chipset which could easily run any CPU 12\13 gen including 13900k.
I'm totally disappointed in this MB and will try to replace it to anything else.

P.S. For cooling I use custom made water cooling which includes 2 D5 pumps, 3 radiators (2x280mm and 240mm) and EK velocity waterblock so there is no bottlenecks here.I tried to change thermal paste and control the pressure of the water block - everything is perfect in this part. But there's no way to dispel more than 300 watts from CPU without deliding it.
 
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I can't use older bios which doesn't have 13Gen support officially.... So, wait for new version which was mentioned by Alan or just live with current settings. In real life usage I have TDP not more than ~180w and temerature lower than 80C.
 
I can't use older bios which doesn't have 13Gen support officially.... So, wait for new version which was mentioned by Alan or just live with current settings. In real life usage I have TDP not more than ~180w and temerature lower than 80C.
This version supports the 13th generation and is the earliest bios
 
Ok, thx. May be I will try this so. But I'm not a big fan of idea being sticked to one outdated version of BIOS:(
Don't talk about loyalty with the brand, we are consumers, if you want to solve this problem you can only replace Z690.z790 now or wait for ThrottleStop to update 13th generation CPU support, or use my method.
 
Like I said almost every time Venders find a bypass for doing it Intell roll out a bios update to block it venders be trying and intell keeps blocking
 
ThrottleStop 9.5.1 works correctly on 13th Gen but it cannot be used to control the voltage if you have a B660 chipset. -info from developer. So, we have only few options at the moment - rollback to older bios or buy another one MB with Z chipset:(
 
Like I said almost every time Venders find a bypass for doing it Intell roll out a bios update to block it venders be trying and intell keeps blocking
What the reason to block UV and try to reduce crazy 300w CPU consumption? There's no sense at all from my point of view....
 
That you would need to ask Intel
Asus Performance Enhancement 3.0 Maybe MSI will update something like that. Now the temperature of B660 is too high. I can't use the latest bios, because once I use the latest bios, the temperature will be 99° immediately. I'm using ND-D15, and the difference between water cooling and it is not much.
 
Is there any specific thread that is using offset on ASUS board without any performance penalty on latest BIOS? just wondering.
 
Asus Performance Enhancement 3.0 Maybe MSI will update something like that. Now the temperature of B660 is too high. I can't use the latest bios, because once I use the latest bios, the temperature will be 99° immediately. I'm using ND-D15, and the difference between water cooling and it is not much.
So locking the CPU to a max of 90c will reduce temps by 10c and reduce performance Overall
Funny how limiting a CPU that is hitting 100c to 90c reduces Temp by 10c
Who'd have figured that would happen
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I know I don't use Intel much but can you not just set a limit in the BIOS of 90c
Kind of like AMD has in PBO settings

I'm pretty sure I have the option in BIOS of setting a Thermal target on the Intel devices I do have.
 
BTW, does anybody know if MSI MAG Z690M Mortar WIFI has IA CEP disble functionality in BIOS? Almost ready to change my current MB and there's only 2 possible options at the market - MSI MAG B660M Mortar WIFI or ASUS ROG Strix Z690-G Gaming WiFi. I need mATX format, BT&Wi-Fi and optical SPDIF.
 
BTW, does anybody know if MSI MAG Z690M Mortar WIFI has IA CEP disble functionality in BIOS? Almost ready to change my current MB and there's only 2 possible options at the market - MSI MAG B660M Mortar WIFI or ASUS ROG Strix Z690-G Gaming WiFi. I need mATX format, BT&Wi-Fi and optical SPDIF.
Hi did some digging on Youtube and found a Video explaining but it is with an Engineering sample and not in English I think it is mandarin

SO results are not guaranteed but should be close to what you get with Retail CPU

the text will explain what CPU should work with Negative Offset with the Board you mentioned
So watch from the time stamp 11:50

Just set Translate to Auto in Setting and select your language
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Hi did some digging on Youtube and found a Video explaining but it is with an Engineering sample and not in English I think it is mandarin

SO results are not guaranteed but should be close to what you get with Retail CPU

the text will explain what CPU should work with Negative Offset with the Board you mentioned
So watch from the time stamp 11:50

Just set Translate to Auto in Setting and select your language
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I watched the latest video posted by handsome man Lin, I have sold my B660 and bought 690. I want my CPU to work more consistently because I need to render for a long time
 
I watched the latest video posted by handsome man Lin, I have sold my B660 and bought 690. I want my CPU to work more consistently because I need to render for a long time
Having this Info up front and provided by Intel sure would make life easier, But I grabbed some screenshots but not sure if I can post without Permission as it is Internal MSI stuff.
So at least I will be able to check what will work now with a negative Offset.
 
I have sold my B660 and bought 690. I want my CPU to work more consistently because I need to render for a long time
If I can ask which MB do you have now? Does it have IA CEP disabling functionality or it works good even without this?

the text will explain what CPU should work with Negative Offset with the Board you mentioned
So watch from the time stamp 11:50
Just set Translate to Auto in Setting and select your language
Thanks a lot for this video - really very informative
 
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