MSI: Making cards faster than Nvidia Allows

HU16E

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Wake said:
Please don't quote me out of context. It seems though I didn't word that as clear as I should have.

Let me elaborate:
The PC of an end-user that is uninformed about the cards "quirk" doesn't start up.
User sends in card to MSI (after likely trying stuff centring about motherboard, PSU - as this failure-pattern more often than not point strongly to those components).
MSI says the card isn't faulty as it starts on their test system (different components including a PSU which doesn't have the Power Good-issue).

So only if the end-user knows about that particular "quirk", he/she can object against MSI trying to put the blame on the user's system (which wouldn't be deliberately malicious or anything, since the card works without problems in their test-bed).
However, even getting a replacement card with the same "quirk" could end up in the same symptoms (Power Good-signal fault and no-POST) again since the card is designed as intended by MSI.


For the second part, I believe you refer to this:
"2. Since MSI designs these custom products with overclocking in mind, we ?supercharge? these cards because we?re anticipating enthusiast to overclock. Because of this design decision and the higher component quality, we?re able to provide more power to the board resulting in higher and longer GPU Boost operation without reducing the lifetime of the graphics card or warranty term."

As far as I've seen, nothing indicates that the component in question is specifically designed to run out-of-spec. It seems bog-standard, so to say.
If a Military Class III-version of the Richtek RT8802A is used (if such a thing exists I doubt there wouldn't be any specs to find about it), I'll apologize.


PS: I use the word quirk in quotes for a lack of a better description.
I refuse to call it issue, problem or even worse fault, since I recognize that this would just be FUD.
:lol_anim:  Sorry, but this is all hypothetical theory.  Unless you are an engineer that can prove by scientific laboratory testing there is going to be a catastrophic component failure, this is all speculation. If that worried about it, discuss it with official MSI Technical Support.:-))

The very topic title of this thread is malicious IMO. This might have been a little less negative; "MSI graphics cards: more boost by purposely built-in circuit modification"

The PC of an end-user that is uninformed about the cards "quirk" doesn't start up.
There are plenty of  'uninformed' pc builders out there as it is by the number of problems seen here by them purchasing garbage PSU's and RAM that is not suited for the intended platform. :rolleyes_anim:
 

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Froggy Gremlin said:
:lol_anim:  Sorry, but this is all hypothetical theory.  Unless you are an engineer that can prove by scientific testing there is going to be a catastrophic component failure, take it up with MSI Technical Support. :-))

The very topic title of this thread is malicious IMO. This might have been a little less negative; "MSI graphics cards: more boost by purposely built-in circuit modification"
From the German article:
"Viel bemerkenswerter ist aber, dass Richtek bereits f?r Spannungen oberhalb 5,5 Volt nicht mehr f?r die Funktionst?chtigkeit des Chips garantieren will (wozu auch genaue Kurvenverl?ufe der Regelkreise geh?ren) und ab 7 Volt sogar vor der endg?ltigen Zerst?rung warnt."

Translation in short:
Richtek doesn't guarantee proper functioning above 5.5V (which includes exact curve shape for the control loops) and even warns of final destruction starting from 7V.

Froggy Gremlin said:
There are plenty of those 'uninformed' pc builders by the number of problems seen here by them purchasing garbage PSU's and RAM that is not suited for the intended platform. :rolleyes_anim:
Again you highlight only part of the sentence.
You could have been working professionally in IT for a long time, if you don't know that this particular card can cause the symptoms the system is throwing out you'd wasting time checking/switching out other components first.
No where did I say that I'm all for using weak PSUs like many users tend to do because it's cheaper for them. I'd even like stricter quality standards.

*edit*
Splitting up quotes is HARD!  :undecided:
 

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I can highlight whatever I want. :-))

It's going to be MSI that will have to deal with it. It will be their responsibility to tell the person with any issues what PSU requirements are/may be needed to properly power it if a ticket is submitted for troubleshooting or RMA.

If a thread is opened here at the forum with a problem, the members here will be ready for it. :yes:

Added: Wake, I'm not upset or angry. MSI has taken this upon themselves to manufacture a product as they saw fit, and has made their decision to market it. It's all on their shoulders as to how it all turns out. ;)
With all this publicity, they are probably selling truck loads of them. :lol_anim:
 

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The discussion seems getting rather pointless. MSI already ensured everyone that everything factory modded is 100% covered by warranty. None the less there is no real case known or reported of a dying card. We don't need to speculate about how a possible case of rma is handeled. Who will realise card does (for whatever reason) not work will ask for rma and MSI will cover it so no need for discussion.

The PE cards are well made and designed to last way longer than warranty as also already said by Warner. All this panic is absolutely unnecessary. 

Wake, you seem to be getting pretty emotional, please stop that. What Tom's Hardware Germany wrote is known but does not change what has already been said.
 

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Thanks froggy for your response

that means I can still RMA the card, right? or it depends on each country policy (again)?
 

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flobelix said:
Wake, you seem to be getting pretty emotional, please stop that. What Tom's Hardware Germany wrote is known but does not change what has already been said.
Emotional? Not really, but if that's your perception there is probably little I can do to change that.
If I would be I'd bust out the smileys and hyperboles ;).
 

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Sharchaster said:
that means I can still RMA the card, right? or it depends on each country policy (again)?
Yes, as said before the card is 100% covered by warranty there is no difference to other vgas. Once again: the cards are following the design intended by MSI they work as they should. If the card is faulty you can rma it. That does not depend on the countries' policy as this is the guideline of MSI HQ.
 

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https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=162220.0  ;)
 
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