MSI meg trident x 10td resizable bar BIOS update?

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koenvandoor151702cb said:
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The above mentioned system has the Z490I Unify mainboard but that BIOS does not work/Flash. You will have to use the C40 BIOS that belongs with the total system (https://www.msi.com/Desktop/support/MEG-Trident-X-10X ). The Z490I Unify (https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/MEG-Z490I-UNIFY) has had however a resizeable BAR update BIOS. Question:

- Will there be a BIOS update for the msi meg trident x 10td system to use the resizeable BAR option?
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Same question I asked and got a reply here, rather disappointing. Nevertheless I'm not giving up hope, had open a ticket with MSI see their official reply. If this is really not supported then one might as well just get the bare mobo to get ReBar and PCI-E 4 support rather than spending so much on their desktop.

 
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Thanks for your reply. Would the AMI DOS BIOS Flash tool work to flash the MB with the bios? So not the MFLASH update procedure but a DOS flash boot via USB for example (AFUDE).
 
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koenvandoor151702cb said:
Thanks for your reply. Would the AMI DOS BIOS Flash tool work to flash the MB with the bios? So not the MFLASH update procedure but a DOS flash boot via USB for example.
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Please don't flash the z490i unify mobo firmware on the Trident X 10, bricking is very likely. It's different last I checked, probably it won't let the flash proceed. I suggest you too open a ticket with MSI. Not really sure why they have the same mobo but with a different bios. I only noticed the desktop version doesn't comes with the wifi antenna. Not sure the internals though as I haven't open up the system "yet".
 
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Thanks, yes I saw the missing WIFI as wel but the system reports the exact same MB identification (7C77) as the one with antenneas. Wil consider a ticket :) Thanks again.
 
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I hope that they update any of the newer Trident X systems bios. I don't have the need to enable BAR but I have the same issue with Bios on my Trident X 9th. It supposedly has the Z390i gaming edge ac motherboard but it doesn't have the same bios as the regular retail board. Which is a pain because the system bios b.30 is from 2018 and looking at the updates and features in all the bios updates since then makes me feel as though I'm missing out on potential performance and possibly security. Apparently, there is some difference in the board I have compared to the stock one in that it does not have 2 of the SATA connectors on the board as well as the pump fan header but I don't see why this would make a huge difference. I am kinda in the same boat being scared of bricking the system trying to flash the newer BIOS on the board but I'm not holding out very much hope in the fact that they will update the BIOS given that the fact it works how it is now. But you would think that as a product that is literally advertised as easily upgradeable would be able to get the same bios updates as someone who buys a motherboard at a tenth of the price.
But if you look at the bios version at least in my case its nearly the same the file is just named differently with the product code for the system followed by IMS and I compared some of the files to each other and they seemed basically the same in format but i have no knowledge of bios so I couldn't say one way of the other but theoretically, they are basically the same piece of hardware and any specific things to the Trident system would be external components. But I know it's not entirely that simple given capitalism and proprietary this and that but it really should be and I hope it ends up getting updated

In my case the motherboard looks identical to the retail board and even has gaming edge ac written on it so one would assume they are identical it would cost more to have a different board designed or made i would imagine.
 
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cpjohnson77158702e4 said:
I hope that they update any of the newer Trident X systems bios. I don't have the need to enable BAR but I have the same issue with Bios on my Trident X 9th. It supposedly has the Z390i gaming edge ac motherboard but it doesn't have the same bios as the regular retail board. Which is a pain because the system bios b.30 is from 2018 and looking at the updates and features in all the bios updates since then makes me feel as though I'm missing out on potential performance and possibly security. Apparently, there is some difference in the board I have compared to the stock one in that it does not have 2 of the SATA connectors on the board as well as the pump fan header but I don't see why this would make a huge difference. I am kinda in the same boat being scared of bricking the system trying to flash the newer BIOS on the board but I'm not holding out very much hope in the fact that they will update the BIOS given that the fact it works how it is now. But you would think that as a product that is literally advertised as easily upgradeable would be able to get the same bios updates as someone who buys a motherboard at a tenth of the price.
But if you look at the bios version at least in my case its nearly the same the file is just named differently with the product code for the system followed by IMS and I compared some of the files to each other and they seemed basically the same in format but i have no knowledge of bios so I couldn't say one way of the other but theoretically, they are basically the same piece of hardware and any specific things to the Trident system would be external components. But I know it's not entirely that simple given capitalism and proprietary this and that but it really should be and I hope it ends up getting updated

In my case the motherboard looks identical to the retail board and even has gaming edge ac written on it so one would assume they are identical it would cost more to have a different board designed or made i would imagine.
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I entirely agree with you. I should have done some deeper research not only reading some vague reviews like few saying it comes with same z490i unify board oh great but not knowingly it's sort of crippled. If MSI doesn't change this mindset anytime soon it's clear that there's no point getting their expensive pre-builts might as well just get the board separately which gets better support. So much for CPU upgrade if they don't support the 11th gen PCI-E 4 :-(
 
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Did install this btw (AFUWIN BIOS Update AMI):

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Can read the bios file, can export the current BIOS but I can hold myself pushing the "flash" button :) so not bricking it.
 
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Here is the official reply from MSI:

Ticket:
673539Resizeable BAR for Z490I Unfify

Content:

Dear Koen van Doorn 0,

Thanks for contacting MSI technical support.

Regarding your concern, so far we do not have any BIOS available that supports resizable bar function. Please pay attention to website and see if it gets any update.

Thanks for your cooperation in advance!

Best Regards,
MSI Technical Support Team
 
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koenvandoor151702cb said:
Here is the official reply from MSI:

Ticket:
673539Resizeable BAR for Z490I Unfify

Content:

Dear Koen van Doorn 0,

Thanks for contacting MSI technical support.

Regarding your concern, so far we do not have any BIOS available that supports resizable bar function. Please pay attention to website and see if it gets any update.

Thanks for your cooperation in advance!

Best Regards,
MSI Technical Support Team
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I got this, when they reply again probably going to be the same typical first level support reply. These are the two "official" headlines which made me went for MSI's Trident X 10 as it has a Z490:

MSI Global

Welcome to the MSI Global official site. We are the top Gaming gear provider.
www.msi.com www.msi.com

MSI Global

Welcome to the MSI Global official site. We are the top Gaming gear provider.
www.msi.com www.msi.com

Ticket:
673467Trident X 10 Resizable Bar Support

Content:
Hi Nazar 0,

Thank you for contacting MSI support!
Motherboard's BIOS cannot be flashed on desktop's.
About the support, please let me check and I'll get back to you.


Best Regards,
CND Technical Support Team
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MSI closed my ticket without reply, I opened a new one and after a few probes, below is what I got. I don't think the 500 desktop series support will be great either so I'll stay away from MSI's desktop in the future. The monitor that came with it has dead pixel. For a gaming desktop it came with value Samsung's value ram without XMP.

Ticket:
675703Trident X 10 Resizable Bar Support

Content:
Hi Nazar 0,

For motherboards, MSI has the support.
But for desktop, 500 series start to support resizable bar.
Desktop with 400 series won't have.
Thank you!


Best Regards,
CND Technical Support Team
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