MSI MPG Z490 GAMING PLUS good?

landry92m

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Is it safe to update the bios of this motherboard MSI MPG Z490 GAMING PLUS? I seen some reviews with the wifi version, that people were bricking there motherboard after updating bios and were forced to send it back for repairs. There is no reset button in the back like the newer models. Should I still get this? Its included in a combo deal and this would be why I am asking about it to make sure of my purchase if its a very good motherboard to get. Let me know some advices, thankss :)
 

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Just restrict yourself to the A6 BIOS until the situation with the BIOS updates is sorted out, https://www.msi.com//Motherboard/support/MPG-Z490-GAMING-PLUS
The update to A7 and A8 is potentially risky for some reason, as you saw.

As for the board model itself, well, it's not great, but it's also not terrible. It uses discrete MOSFETs for the CPU VRM, so it's a bit of a budget solution there,
see https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yPS3hj_K7EPT4RBWCyjdKNP56pnwDz-IgBc0975-FUg/edit#gid=0

As you can see from the list, the other manufacturers went to single Powerstages for Z490 already, which are usually preferred, especially if you want to use a high-power CPU. For something like a run-of-the-mill hexacore, you can use any board, obviously. But for the high-end CPUs, you need a substantial VRM. If you look at the Z590 boards (tab on the bottom of that site), you can see that even MSI went to Powerstages exclusively. The 11th gen CPUs have become so power hungry that discrete MOSFETs don't deal too well anymore. Of course those Z590 boards are also more expensive across the board (literally).

So yeah, if you want to use a mid-range 10th gen CPU, it's a decent enough board for that. For a high-end CPU, i'd look a bit higher in the range, and for an 11th gen CPU, you'd get a Z590 board.
 

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Will it have no problem running my i7-10700KF (125watts)? I had to buy this motherboard and cpu in a combo to received a rtx 3070 at a decent price. But before I open and start building, I just want to make sure. Is it worth returning everyting to get a 570 board? But ill be downgrading to rtx 3060. Let me know your professional advice, thankss :)
 

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If you find that the CPU or the VRM (MOSFET) temps are too high under full multi-core load, you can always restrict the CPU to its official power limits (PL2 of 229W for 56 seconds, then PL1 of 125W), by selecting "Boxed Cooler" in the BIOS. That's the roundabout way of MSI enforcing the power limits, or when selecting Tower or Water Cooler, letting the CPU basically draw as much power as it wants. Plus there's a good way of reducing the CPU's power consumption by optimizing "CPU Lite Load" in the BIOS, i can tell you about that too.

So while it's not the ideal board for that CPU, it will do, and if you run into power/heat problems, there's ways to get that under control.

Do you have a decent PSU for this system?
 

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It came with the A750GF from msi 750watts. I will also be running the gtx3070 suprim x that takes up to 280watts. It would be mostly a gaming pc built. If you think its a bad combo, I can return to get a better matching combo. But hopping this is a good setup.
 

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Like i said, not great, but also not terrible. They will have sold a bunch of these mainboard + CPU combos, i suppose, so it won't blow up in your face. If you want to use a 10th gen CPU such as the 11700KF, i'd stay with a Z490 board. I would only get a Z590 when planning on an 11th gen CPU.

Your PSU is suitable. While the GPU might draw quite some power, in games, the CPU is actually not fully loaded, so you won't overload your PSU with that system.
 

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Heey, you been very helpfull, but I have a very hard time to chose my ram speed for my setup. Corsair recomended me to get Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 3600 (PC4-28800) C18 Memory, but from what I read, C18 is a bit slow. Can I still use a C16 for me setup or should I get what corsair recommended to me? Like I can get a 3200 C16 at the same price of 3600 C18. But I dont know too much about that
 

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The latencies (like CAS Latency or CL, the first value) are specified in clock cycles. However, the higher the memory frequency, the shorter a clock cycle. So to compare the absolute latencies at different frequencies, you have to convert the values to nanoseconds. The formula for RAM latency is: Clock cycles * 2000 / frequency.

CL16 * 2000 / 3200 = 10 ns.
CL18 * 2000 / 3600 = 10 ns.

You see that DDR4-3600 CL18 results in exactly the same absolute CAS latency of 10 ns as DDR4-3200 CL16. But with DDR4-3600 CL18, you get higher read/write/copy thruput, therefore it's preferable. By the way, the two latencies that follow the first CL value are more telling than CL. The closer the second and third value (tRCD and tRP) are to tCL, the better the RAM, basically.
 

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Awesome thanks, last question for my build setup. Should I go with samsung 980 or WD 750 for m.2 ssd? Both are same price. Both gen 3. If I update my bios to V6, i think i can suport gen 4. Should I get gen 4 or stick with gen 3.
 

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See if you can get the Samsung 970 EVO (Plus) for the same price, then i would take that one. The SN750 would be second, and the Samsung 980 third. The plain 980 is just too cut down (no DRAM cache for example), it would need to be cheaper than the 970 EVO (Plus) or SN750 to be the recommendation. It can't hold a candle to the excellent 980 Pro.

PCIe 3.0 or 4.0 doesn't matter as much as people tend to think. The sequential data rates are less important than other performance metrics. If you get an overall good SSD like the 970 EVO or the 980 PRO, it doesn't matter if it's running at PCIe 3.0 or 4.0, it will be fast no matter what.
 
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