MSI TRIDENT 3 - Upgrades

christian.carl.strasser

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Hello everyone,

Not sure which section of the forum this goes to, but I searched and I did not find answers to my questions.

I have a MSI Trident 3 with:
Operating System: Windows 10 Home (64-bit)
CPU: i5-7400, 3.00GHz
RAM: Kingston 8GB, DDR4 SO-DIMM, 2400MHz, CL17, non-ECC (the one that came with the product)
GPU: GTX 1060 (3GB)
Motherboard: the one that comes in this product
Power supply: 230W

My question is, what can I upgrade and how, on my product?

Half a year ago I bought this product and my first idea was to increase the RAM of this computer. I bought
https://www.amazon.com/Kingston-Technology-ValueRAM-2400Mhz-KVR24S17S8/dp/B01LW6HBSM
and I tried to make this work with what I already had. The Bios detected the ram, telling me that it is the same brand, same speed and it detected me having the 16GB of ram, but the moment I started windows 10, I only got to see the desktop before I got blue screen of death. I tried the new ram that I got on its own, individually, removing the other ram, and I had no problem, but I ended up returning the ram because I did not like the situation.

1st question: Is there only a series of ram memories that are compatible with the one I already have? Where can I buy them?

More questions:

I have been looking around and reading in various places all kinds of things and it's not clear to me in what situation I am.
In the future I would be interested in updating the graphics card (my GTX 1060, 3GB), for example for a GTX 1070 mini like this:
https://www.msi.com/Graphics-card/GeForce-GTX-1070-AERO-ITX-8G.html
That should work by dimensions, but my 230W power supply would not suffice. If, on the other hand, I would buy the more powerful 330W power supply, 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-OEM-Delta-330W-19-5V-AC-Adapter-for-MSI-Desktop-Trident-3-VR7RC-089US-/222553941368

2nd question: Could I use the GTX 1070 with this new power supply?

Thanks for all kinds of answers and sorry if I've made a mistake in the forum section.
 

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It is all specification for Trident 3 on MSI globlawebsite.
https://www.msi.com/Desktop/Trident-3/Specification
It is avl list for Trident 3 on MSI globlawebsite.
https://www.msi.com/Desktop/support/Trident-3

Memory:
2 x DDR4 2400MHz SO-DIMMs, up to 32GB(16GB*2 slot).

Where to buy it?
Please contact your nearest MSI branch office or local distributors for service.
You can find contact info with below link:
MSI branches: http://www.msi.com/about/contact-us/
Distributors: http://www.msi.com/service/wheretobuy/

Graphic card:
MSI GeForce? GTX 1060 Gaming 6GB/3GB GDDR5
MSI GeForce? GTX 1050Ti 4GB DDR5

Cannot use GTX 1070.
It has protection mechanism on motherboard so max is just 230W for motherboard.
That is why cannot use GTX 1070.
 

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The ram info doesn?t really help, unless my intention is to throw away the 8GB that I already have and get 2 sticks of 8GB totally new ones.
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?threads/296148
Some other user had a similar issue, but the solution he ?offered? (even though he himself didn?t try it) didn?t really work for me, before I decided to return the ram. Maybe the ram I bought had some strange issue and it was actually supposed to work.

As for the GPU upgrade: Really?
So these links of the Trident 3 version but with a GTX 1070 are a lie?
https://www.amazon.com/Trident-VR7RD-202US-i7-7700-Windows-VR-Ready/dp/B073TT618K
https://www.amazon.com/MSI-Trident-VR7RD-081US-Console-Desktop/dp/B06Y3K9DXY
And this video, that clearly shows the inside of the Trident with the GTX 1070 model (which has a motherboard that looks EXACTLY like mine), is wrong?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr4z2h9w_uo

Or worse, MSI made two identical motherboards but one has a power limit for whatever reason?

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I even remember that I had the choice to buy the Trident version with the 1070. Had I known this nonsense of power limit, I would have done so I guess...
 

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Both are different model.
Motherboard is different and power limitation is also different.
Trident 3 / Trident 3 Arctic
 

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Hmm, I'd also like to upgrade to a 1070 or even a mini 1080 if I can find one. 

Does anyone know if I could just slap a separate power supply behind it and connect the gpu to that instead of the motherboard? Typically for normal sized desktops this would be a waste of time and is generally advised against, but this tiny case and awfully limited wattage doesn't leave much space for upgrading.

Perhaps this way I could even upgrade the processor from the i5 7400 to something that can actually handle vr like an i7 7700 or 8700 later on. 

When the warranty is up, I'm gonna stick some liquid cooling on the processor anyway, so I'm not afraid of tweaking the case as needed. If that means drilling holes and such, I'm gonna drill holes and such in the frame.

I was hoping by now Trident3 owners would already have some guides on modding/adding to this system, but I guess this "console killer" is more like a console than I thought.
 

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NVIDIA GTX 1080 is not on list and no shout card by MSI.
 

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Has anyone upgraded their processor from the i5 to the i7? Im new to the PC life so any help would be great!! Thanks
 

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I have the Trident 3 8th. Is this newer model still incapable of upgrading from a 1060 to a 1070?
 

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Yang date=1516234156 said:
Cannot use GTX 1070.
It has protection mechanism on motherboard so max is just 230W for motherboard.
That is why cannot use GTX 1070.
When new GPU will launch, for example 1170, if the consumtion is 120W, they will work?

I mean, the protection is about consumption, ir it checks some kind of "DeviceId" ?
 

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Please in reality. No if.
Still no 1170 and never tested it.
 

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Hello All

  I was able to upgrade my MSI Trident 3, I5 7400, 1060 3gb version. I purchased a used ex-mining GPU MSI GTX 1070 Aero Itx  version ($232 shipping included from ebay), I purchased a (PCIe 6 Pin Male to 8 Pin (6+2) Male PCI Express Power Adapter Cable for Graphics Video Card 20-inches TeamProfitcom from amazon $8.99, I could not find a smaller cable with the same flatness) before removing the 1060 3gb i ran Heaven benchmark 3x on 1080p, and 3 x 1440p I saw that in  HWiNFO64 the most watts it used was 137+watts and then I played Doom and similar results as far as wattage was concerned.  So I removed the 1060 3gb (duh) with its small 6pin to 6pin power connector and put the new 8pin to 6pin cable on the 1070 first and had to bend the cable at the 1070 end to fit into the very small space, you will have to wrestle it in a little so be-careful.  Started up the Trident with the 1070 and ran heaven for shyts and giggles and of course system restarted did the same with Doom and was like ok hit power limit.  Started Trident again and this time I used MSI afterburner to lower the Power Limit % to 70% and ran all the same as above and lo and behold was only using 100watts in heaven and 105watts there about in Doom 1440p locked 60fps ultra settings, I was able to go from 70% to 78% for my particular card for a 5-8watt increase. oh just to be on the safe side I used Intel Extreme Tuning Utility (Intel XTU) to Undervolt The CPU by 0.140V.  Strangely I was hitting over 2ghz on the GPU with the under-volt on Doom, when I used the 1070 on my work rig with a I6700k and a 750wat platinum PSU i was floating around 1980ish and stabilized at 1886ghz on the 1070 dont know what up with that but.   Is it worth doing? this only you can decide and I have not had the opportunity to test other games like rise of the tomb raider which sends wattage to max lvls on a few gpus I have.  


Make sure to tape the flat cable to the frame as shown if the cable is to close to the GPU you will see an increase of at least 5c to 6c degrees.  
 

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I have a Trident 3 with i7-7700 and GTX1060 6GB, which I recently upgraded to a Gigabyte GTX1080 Mini ITX. Because I am still using the 230w adapter. I limit the power and clock speed of the GPU using MSI Afterburner. The settings are as such:
Power Limit (%): 70
Core Clock (MHz): -150
Memory Clock (MHz): -200

Using Kill-a-watt, I measure the power consumption of the PC and GTX1080 with this setting actually consume a little bit less power than my original GTX1060. Then I run Userbenchmark (quick but not necessarily accurate) and the 1080 scores a 107 points which is much better than my original 1060 (78 points) and an average 1070 (100 points), but of course, the score is less than an average 1080 (130 points).

I could not get more out of the GPU because the PC will have a power cut-off with higher power and clock settings. The reason could be motherboard power limit as mentioned by other users or the PSU. I have ordered a 330w adapter from eBay and I'll update my post after I test it out.

PS: Be aware Gigabyte 1080 ITX is much wider than the MSI 1060 ITX, and it barely fit in the case. I have to use some brute force to bend the side panel of the case and bend it back after installation.
 

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Can you please post an update about the 330 watt power adapter being used with this setup. because im using the 1070 gtx and so far its running well, but power brick gets wicked hot. also noted that the computer uses 11.8A and the other power brick is at 16Amps so wish to know if its okay to upgrade this power brick.
 

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Hello!
After reading the topic I'd like to ask if trident 3 could be upgraded with msi 2060 RTX aero mini-ITX one.

My pc build: Trident 3
i5-7400
8gb ram
1 tb hdd 5400
1050 2 gb
230 watt power supply

Can someone help me?
 

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This same:

Graphic card:
MSI GeForce? GTX 1060 Gaming 6GB/3GB GDDR5
MSI GeForce? GTX 1050Ti 4GB DDR5

Not support RTX 2060.
 

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Would the Trident 3 8th support the new Aero RTX 2060 Mini-Itx?  It's 10W over the 1070 Mini-ITX which it does support.
 

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I got the Trident 3 arctic with the itx 1070 aero and the 8700

was hoping to upgrade to a mini 2070 or 1080. 

sadly at this point it seems better to just gut the entire system, get a new itx MOBO that can fit the case, bigger power supply and that should solve the 
very limiting upgradability. wont cost too much because half the work is done with the CPU and memory etc. 
upgrade to 32 gig of ram at least also.  

there is no reason this PC shouldn't be able to handle upgrades even if its just a graphics card swap. 
kind of makes me feel like I wasted money a little. 

don't get me wrong its a fine system but not having much wiggle room 
really gives the DIY PC guys more ammo for the theoretical guns they have and the hate for pre built systems. 

I love the trident 3 case. really wish MSI would get into case production because the designs are cool and the ITX PCs they do have aren't terrible 
even with thermals being an issue with tiny cases

but again the big problem is upgrading. IT SHOULD BE ABLE TO BE DONE. its inexcusable.
 
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