MSI TRIDENT 3 - Upgrades

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It seems that only the 330W power supply for the RTX 2060 ITX card Graphics.  Motherboard doesn't know if it's also blocking the power give the exact model of your computer serial number S/N   I'm not sure how such a card works, I don't want to mislead you, maybe someone who knows you will answer you precisely, but maybe Yang  
 

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It seemed splitted about GTX1660 be worked on Trident 3 or not. I have a Trident 3 bought in Japan(8RC-075JP), I think it's a 8th-gen. Again could I change the 1060 3GB into 1660 or 1660 ti?
 

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Thx a lot. But it seemed like a 9th-gen model. If only the motherboards the same.
 

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I also have MSI TRIDENT 8 generation model working on the graphics card GTX 1660TI ,  all the cards you give are good, I have a 230 W power supply
 

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For some reason this user managed to upgrade his Trident 8th Gen to a 2060 RTX mini and got it to work with a 230W power supply using Throttlestop: https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?threads/313929
Later on he switched to a 330W power supply and using Afterburner get's amazing Benchmarks.
Does someone understand how he did it?
 

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Hi not sure if this is the rite place to ask this question.

I just pre ordered cyber punk and was wondering if my computer will handle it in low settings.
All advice is welcome
 

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hello, i would like to know if i have a msi trident 3 I7 7700 GTX 1060 3go 16 go ram, i would like to know if with a 230w power supply i could put a gtx 1660 (super) instead of my 1060? because im a new vr player and my gtx 1060 limits me in the quality of the games because of the lack of video ram and I want to have much more perf than a 1060 6go,so is it good or i must buy a 1660 ti ?
 

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r.desmond.h date=1591433824 said:
Hi not sure if this is the rite place to ask this question.

I just pre ordered cyber punk and was wondering if my computer will handle it in low settings.
All advice is welcome
Hi Desmond,

These are the minimum system requirements I could find:
  • Memory:16 GB
  • Graphics Card:NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti
  • CPU:Intel Core i7-8700K
  • Cyberpunk 2077 File Size:100 GB
  • OS:Windows 10 64-bit
Since you do not mention your system specs it's difficult to asses if your Trident will be up to the task.

Lion
 

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brice9408 date=1594107018 said:
hello, i would like to know if i have a msi trident 3 I7 7700 GTX 1060 3go 16 go ram, i would like to know if with a 230w power supply i could put a gtx 1660 (super) instead of my 1060? because im a new vr player and my gtx 1060 limits me in the quality of the games because of the lack of video ram and I want to have much more perf than a 1060 6go,so is it good or i must buy a 1660 ti ?
Hello Brice,

Whether or not you're able to upgrade your videocard depends on the TDP (Thermal Design Power). I could not find the TDP for the 1660 mini super on the web but I did find someone on the forum who upgraded his Trident succesfully with it: https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?threads/327434
Your 1060 3G has a TDP of 120W, if the 1660 super has the same (or any other card) it should work fine without the need of a bigger power supply. Be aware that a 330W power supply works only with a motherboard version of 2.1 or higher (Trident 8th gen and onward).

Have a look on this website for a comparison between the 1060 3G, 1660 Ti 6G and 2060 6G: https://versus.com/en/gigabyte-geforce-gtx-1060-mini-itx-3gb-vs-gigabyte-geforce-gtx-1660-ti-mini-itx-oc-vs-gigabyte-geforce-rtx-2060-mini-itx-oc-rev-2-0

I've made an overview of topics with videocard upgrades and some explanation: https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=340675.msg1981232#msg1981232

Hope this helps,
Lion
 

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LvdB date=1594182360 said:
Hello Brice, Whether or not you're able to upgrade your videocard depends on the TDP (Thermal Design Power). I could not find the TDP for the 1660 mini super on the web but I did find someone on the forum who upgraded his Trident succesfully with it: https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?threads/327434 Your 1060 3G has a TDP of 120W, if the 1660 super has the same (or any other card) it should work fine without the need of a bigger power supply. Be aware that a 330W power supply works only with a motherboard version of 2.1 or higher (Trident 8th gen and onward). Have a look on this website for a comparison between the 1060 3G, 1660 Ti 6G and 2060 6G: https://versus.com/en/gigabyte-geforce-gtx-1060-mini-itx-3gb-vs-gigabyte-geforce-gtx-1660-ti-mini-itx-oc-vs-gigabyte-geforce-rtx-2060-mini-itx-oc-rev-2-0 I've made an overview of topics with videocard upgrades and some explanation: https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=340675.msg1981232#msg1981232 Hope this helps, Lion


ok thanks i found 125 tdp for the gtx 1660 super, is the extra 5 watts disturbing or not at all ? here is the card I want to take (with an adapter)

https://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-GeForce-tarjeta-gr%C3%A1fica-Gv-N166SIXOC-6GD/dp/B081715P57/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=Gigabyte+N166SIXOC-6GD&qid=1594192303&sr=8-1

I find it a shame that the 1660 (super) aero itx doesn't have as much video output as the mini itx.
 

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brice9408 date=1594192508 said:
ok thanks i found 125 tdp for the gtx 1660 super, is the extra 5 watts disturbing or not at all ? here is the card I want to take (with an adapter)

https://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-GeForce-tarjeta-gr%C3%A1fica-Gv-N166SIXOC-6GD/dp/B081715P57/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=Gigabyte+N166SIXOC-6GD&qid=1594192303&sr=8-1

I find it a shame that the 1660 (super) aero itx doesn't have as much video output as the mini itx.
I think you'll manage, if not use Throttlestop to cut down the power on the CPU.

About your second statement: I'm not sure what you mean, I'm still learning in this GPU business haha
 

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LvdB date=1594197237 said:
I think you'll manage, if not use Throttlestop to cut down the power on the CPU. About your second statement: I'm not sure what you mean, I'm still learning in this GPU business haha
ok thanks I have one more question, what is the Throttlestop? I've never heard of it, is it a power limit for the cpu?
 

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brice9408 date=1594199587 said:
ok thanks I have one more question, what is the Throttlestop? I've never heard of it, is it a power limit for the cpu?
It's a program to limit the power to CPU yes. See this link and youtube for instructions: https://www.techpowerup.com/download/techpowerup-throttlestop/
 

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LvdB date=1594207952 said:
It's a program to limit the power to CPU yes. See this link and youtube for instructions: https://www.techpowerup.com/download/techpowerup-throttlestop/

Okay, so do I have to limit my cpu's power to get the 1660 super in or did I not get it? because I don't have heating problems or anything (I often clean my pc) then if I lower the cpu pressure I'll get less fps, right?

Because I could see that it would have a beneficial effect on the fps but I doubt a bit, I use my cpu in extreme mode (with a custom cpu fan config) so I would have fps losses or not ?( I repeat that I have an i7 7700)
 

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brice9408 date=1594217938 said:
Okay, so do I have to limit my cpu's power to get the 1660 super in or did I not get it? because I don't have heating problems or anything (I often clean my pc) then if I lower the cpu pressure I'll get less fps, right?

Because I could see that it would have a beneficial effect on the fps but I doubt a bit, I use my cpu in extreme mode (with a custom cpu fan config) so I would have fps losses or not ?( I repeat that I have an i7 7700)
Thermal Design Power means how much power is needed to manage the heat that is generated from CPU or GPU (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_design_power). In Trident 3 it is limited because the power supply is low (230W external vs. 450W internal in a normal sized computer). So MSI has limited the maximum TDP in both CPU and GPU to prevent it from overheating AND taking to much power from the power supply.

I think a TDP of 125W will not be a problem compared to 120W but there is always a chance it will not work. You will notice this by a crashing computer under heavy loads. If this happens, use Throttlestop. Throttlestop cuts down the voltage to CPU but it does not have to mean you will have lower FPS. See this post for an example of using it with a 2060 RTX: https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?threads/313929

If this user Wados is able to use a 2060 RTX with TDP 160W, you must be able to use 1660 super without any problem.

Let me know if it works out for you,
Lion
 

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LvdB date=1594307879 said:
Thermal Design Power means how much power is needed to manage the heat that is generated from CPU or GPU (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_design_power). In Trident 3 it is limited because the power supply is low (230W external vs. 450W internal in a normal sized computer). So MSI has limited the maximum TDP in both CPU and GPU to prevent it from overheating AND taking to much power from the power supply. I think a TDP of 125W will not be a problem compared to 120W but there is always a chance it will not work. You will notice this by a crashing computer under heavy loads. If this happens, use Throttlestop. Throttlestop cuts down the voltage to CPU but it does not have to mean you will have lower FPS. See this post for an example of using it with a 2060 RTX: https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?threads/313929 If this user Wados is able to use a 2060 RTX with TDP 160W, you must be able to use 1660 super without any problem. Let me know if it works out for you, Lion
ok thanks for the precision, I'll tell you if it works without any problem or if I needed Throttlestop, if I Throttlestop I'll send you the modified values (I saw that the person of the other topic didn't answer you), but in any case thanks for the help :biggthumbsup: :biggthumbsup: :cool:
 

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brice9408 date=1594310750 said:
ok thanks for the precision, I'll tell you if it works without any problem or if I needed Throttlestop, if I Throttlestop I'll send you the modified values (I saw that the person of the other topic didn't answer you), but in any case thanks for the help :biggthumbsup: :biggthumbsup: :cool:
You're welcome Brice and good luck upgrading your Trident! :pompom:
 
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Hi there, I'm new to this forum. I have a Trident 3 (MSI Desktop PC Trident 3 Trident 3 Arctic VR7RD-048US Intel Core i7 7th Gen 7700 (3.60 GHz) 16 GB DDR4 1 TB HDD 256 GB SSD NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Windows 10 Home 64-Bit) and I recently updated the SSD and RAM in the computer but still getting somewhat sluggish performance wiht CAD software.

I have been updating windows updates and NVIDIA updates since purchasing the machine a few years ago, but recently started getting slow. Thought the SSD/RAM update would take care of it, but want to now try BIOS or MSI hardware updates but couldn't find the solution. When I go to the Trident support page there is no listing of any updates for the bios, manuals, or any software to ensure MSI updates are completed. Anyone have guidance?
Mike
 
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