MSI-Vector 16HX Bios

[old.judge]

Hello,
Unfortunately I'm not sure if this is the right subforum???
But I recently bought a notebook and noticed that it produces extreme heat even with normal use.
I read in the dealer's forum that it could be a faulty BIOS setting. A query to MSI about this was answered with a defect and I was given an RMA number.
Now I wanted to hear your opinion.

Does anyone have any tips?

Thanks in advance

Quote from the forum:
Update:
The CPU got very hot when gaming and fluctuated between 90 and 100°C despite the fan speed being at maximum... and that with 11% processor utilization of the P-cores.
Apparently MSI cannot use the P1 and P2 limits for the 13980HX.
220W was entered for P1 and P2 in the BIOS.
Intel specifies a maximum of 157W for the maximum short-term power and 55W for the maximum continuous power.
Intel® Core™ i9-13980HX Processor (36M Cache, up to 5.60 GHz) - Product Specifications | Intel
Intel® Core™ i9-13980HX Processor (36M Cache, up to 5.60 GHz) quick reference with specifications, features, and technologies.
www.intel.com www.intel.com

No wonder the CPU got so hot... 220W continuous power is far too much for laptop cooling.
With the Intel values, the notebook is now much quieter when gaming, with temperatures between 53°C in Crash Bandicot and 73% in Talos Principle 2 (UE5 Engine).
To view the BIOS settings in the BIOS start screen at the same time:
press right Shift + KI key (to the left of the FN key) + left ALT + F2.

 

[Atnn]

i have same laptop and 90C in games seems way too high, if you didnt yet you should also think about undervolting its well worth it, you can also use throttlestop for undervolt and tp limits so no need to go into bios every time you want to change something (you just need to set OVERCLOCKING LOCK to DISABLED and OVERCLOCK FEATURE to ENABLED in bios if i remember right) also default fan profiles are pretty bad, gpu fan doesnt spin in idle and that made my cpu fan kick into higher rpm, 2 low rpm fans made less noise with lower temps than 1 higher rpm fan for me.
one more thing even 157w is way too much for that cpu, there is not much reason to go above 60/70w unless you are trying to get high scores in cinebench.

 

[Raju]

Hello,
Unfortunately I'm not sure if this is the right subforum???
But I recently bought a notebook and noticed that it produces extreme heat even with normal use.
I read in the dealer's forum that it could be a faulty BIOS setting. A query to MSI about this was answered with a defect and I was given an RMA number.
Now I wanted to hear your opinion.

Does anyone have any tips?

Thanks in advance

Quote from the forum:
Update:
The CPU got very hot when gaming and fluctuated between 90 and 100°C despite the fan speed being at maximum... and that with 11% processor utilization of the P-cores.
Apparently MSI cannot use the P1 and P2 limits for the 13980HX.
220W was entered for P1 and P2 in the BIOS.
Intel specifies a maximum of 157W for the maximum short-term power and 55W for the maximum continuous power.
Intel® Core™ i9-13980HX Processor (36M Cache, up to 5.60 GHz) - Product Specifications | Intel
Intel® Core™ i9-13980HX Processor (36M Cache, up to 5.60 GHz) quick reference with specifications, features, and technologies.
www.intel.com www.intel.com

No wonder the CPU got so hot... 220W continuous power is far too much for laptop cooling.
With the Intel values, the notebook is now much quieter when gaming, with temperatures between 53°C in Crash Bandicot and 73% in Talos Principle 2 (UE5 Engine).
To view the BIOS settings in the BIOS start screen at the same time:
press right Shift + KI key (to the left of the FN key) + left ALT + F2.

I don't know how you explained it to the MSI or how they judged it, but if you want to know if your laptop's performance or cooling system has issues, you can run Cinebench R23 and Time Spy. Whenever I buy a new laptop, I always check if its performance is normal. You can compare it with the reviews of this model on Notebookcheck. Nowadays, laptops are designed to have high performance, so the total power is designed to be just enough for the cooling system to handle. Of course, operating at such high power generates a lot of heat, but you don't need to worry too much. The CPU can withstand temperatures up to 100 degrees, so if it gets close to this, it will trigger thermal throttling. After confirming that your performance and cooling system are as MSI designed, if you still can't accept it, you can proceed with undervolting or reducing the CPU power(Maximum processor state).

• 3. Set “Maximum processor state” to 99%
  Most of the time 99% to 97% value will just work. If not, try lower the value till it works, for example 35%.
  Click apply. If it works, usually you will notice the fans become quiet.
  (If the option is not shown in the setting, skip to the batch file method below.)
  
  

 

[drek4]

Hello,
Unfortunately I'm not sure if this is the right subforum???
But I recently bought a notebook and noticed that it produces extreme heat even with normal use.
I read in the dealer's forum that it could be a faulty BIOS setting. A query to MSI about this was answered with a defect and I was given an RMA number.
Now I wanted to hear your opinion.

Does anyone have any tips?

Thanks in advance

Quote from the forum:
Update:
The CPU got very hot when gaming and fluctuated between 90 and 100°C despite the fan speed being at maximum... and that with 11% processor utilization of the P-cores.
Apparently MSI cannot use the P1 and P2 limits for the 13980HX.
220W was entered for P1 and P2 in the BIOS.
Intel specifies a maximum of 157W for the maximum short-term power and 55W for the maximum continuous power.
Intel® Core™ i9-13980HX Processor (36M Cache, up to 5.60 GHz) - Product Specifications | Intel
Intel® Core™ i9-13980HX Processor (36M Cache, up to 5.60 GHz) quick reference with specifications, features, and technologies.
www.intel.com www.intel.com

No wonder the CPU got so hot... 220W continuous power is far too much for laptop cooling.
With the Intel values, the notebook is now much quieter when gaming, with temperatures between 53°C in Crash Bandicot and 73% in Talos Principle 2 (UE5 Engine).
To view the BIOS settings in the BIOS start screen at the same time:
press right Shift + KI key (to the left of the FN key) + left ALT + F2.

Sent you a PM!

 

[Atnn]

I don't know how you explained it to the MSI or how they judged it, but if you want to know if your laptop's performance or cooling system has issues, you can run Cinebench R23 and Time Spy. Whenever I buy a new laptop, I always check if its performance is normal. You can compare it with the reviews of this model on Notebookcheck. Nowadays, laptops are designed to have high performance, so the total power is designed to be just enough for the cooling system to handle. Of course, operating at such high power generates a lot of heat, but you don't need to worry too much. The CPU can withstand temperatures up to 100 degrees, so if it gets close to this, it will trigger thermal throttling. After confirming that your performance and cooling system are as MSI designed, if you still can't accept it, you can proceed with undervolting or reducing the CPU power(Maximum processor state).

temps are not the problem but the noise when you are running at maximum performance is unbearable atleast for me

• 3. Set “Maximum processor state” to 99%
  Most of the time 99% to 97% value will just work. If not, try lower the value till it works, for example 35%.
  Click apply. If it works, usually you will notice the fans become quiet.
  (If the option is not shown in the setting, skip to the batch file method below.)
  
  

this i would not recommend, it would completely disable turbo witch would make your laptop less responsive, its better to adjust turbo ratio limits in throttlestop instead so it doesnt boost as high, these are good values for browsing, working or less demanding games to minimize temps/noise, for demanding games you can make another profile with default values if you want to use full performance

 

[orwenneso152b02d7]

The PL1/PL2 values in the BIOS are fake, the real PL1/PL2 is controlled by the embedded controller and dynamically changes between 65 and 150W depending on the power of the GPU, when the GPU is using full power, PL1/PL2 will always be 65W

CPU power is never going to reach 220W because MSI limits the current and PL4, you're only going to get 180W at best and only when the GPU is idle

 

[Atnn]

idk about bios but you absolutely can change power limits with throttlestop, 20w while runing cinebench

even though if you adjust your turbo ratios you will never get to default power limits anyway, 54w in multicore cinebench, i dont see much point in running at full power most of the time, it just makes the laptop way too noisy. before i changed turbo ratios/power limits my fans would randomly start running even during just browsing or working. With throttlestop you can have different profiles for when you need full power.

 

[glynnk158902e7]

CPU power is never going to reach 220W because MSI limits the current and PL4, you're only going to get 180W at best and only when the GPU is idle

Old topic but just wanted to clear up one thing.
The MSI Vector 17HX can go well over 220W when the Nvidia GPU is not active. You have to make sure nothing is keeping it active. The EC PL1 and PL2 power limits were not enforced during this Cinebench run.

 

[electrostingz]

The MSI Vector 17HX can go well over 220W when the Nvidia GPU is not active. You have to make sure nothing is keeping it active. The EC PL1 and PL2 power limits were not enforced during this Cinebench run.

What kind of cooling do you have on this for those temps and that score?

 

[glynnk158902e7]

What kind of cooling

I live in Canada. Some cool outside air was my secret. Attached is my log file with 3 different Cinebench runs. First run was at default clocks. Next run was +100 MHz for the P cores and then the final run was +100 MHz for both the P cores and the E cores. Both cores ran at full speed during Cinebench with zero throttling. Similar Lenovo and Asus laptops usually have voltage regulator issues before they reach this power level.

 

[electrostingz]

Must be very cold then .