MSI Z97 MGaming Big problem random times BSOD

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sonnyfuz

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I change my Msi Z87 Mgaming to Z97 Mgaming and my pc I have been getting random BSODS & random times & my PC was fine before having these  new Motherboard installed.

My current PC specs:

MSI Z97 MGaming (Bios 1.30)
Intel i5 4670K
4x 4GB Gskill Sniper DDR3 F3-14900CL9D-BGBSR DDR3-1866 CL9-10-9-28 1.50V
SAPPHIRE TOXIC R9 280X 3GB GDDR5 (UEFI)
Power Supply Corsair TX650
Samsung Evo 840 SSD 2.5 SATA III 250GB
SO Windows 8.1


My problem is the same problem of daniel.burgess.338863. ======>  https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=181419.0



Please help.....

TKS
Jorge
 
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badboy2k said:
that BSOD code is usually caused by a CPU problem! are you running a overclock on your processor?
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Im not running in overclock.

Do you think is a CPU problem????  sure??? 

And the memory? I supect the memory.
I see someone in the forum have identical problem and i think he change the ram and the problem dissapears.
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=181419.50


My memory in BSOD are in XMP (1866mhz) mode now im testing in normal mode (1600mhz) lets see whats happen.

Today i will test my CPU with prime95.
 
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it could be the CPU has a problem or your memory may be causing the IMC on the CPU to error if its dumping bad data randomly into it.

the reason its something to do with your CPU is because its a Pagefile error of your CPU sending bad requests into your Virtual Disk memory when it shouldn't. see if running that RAM slower stops it as most intel CPU's are only guaranteed to run at 1600MHz and anything above is not.
 
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badboy2k said:
it could be the CPU has a problem or your memory may be causing the IMC on the CPU to error if its dumping bad data randomly into it.

the reason its something to do with your CPU is because its a Pagefile error of your CPU sending bad requests into your Virtual Disk memory when it shouldn't. see if running that RAM slower stops it as most intel CPU's are only guaranteed to run at 1600MHz and anything above is not.
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Ok i undestood.

Another question:

Can my PSU doing that problem too? My PSU is Corsair TX650. Its enought to my system???

I question that because the only thing i change in my system is MSI Z87Mgaming to MSI Z97Mgaming and GPU Sapphire 7970 vaporX to Sapphire R9 toxic 280x 3GB.

An insuficient PSU power can doing that kind of errors???


 
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unless that PSU is faulty it should be more then enougth as a basic configuration like yours and a Radeon R9-280X - 30A @ +12V and a 550W psu minimum (your PSU is 53A @ +12V and 650W so it should be more then enougth) so I do not think it will be that!
 
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badboy2k said:
unless that PSU is faulty it should be more then enougth as a basic configuration like yours and a Radeon R9-280X - 30A @ +12V and a 550W psu minimum (your PSU is 53A @ +12V and 650W so it should be more then enougth) so I do not think it will be that!
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Im tryingo to do a Primetest95 blend and smallFFt the temperature of CPU in 5 minutes is going to 99C and i stop the test.

I tried the test in Stock CPU clock.

Whats wrong????
 
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The cooler is either badly attached or sensors are broken. Either way, re-check CPU and its cooler
 
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ahh that's bad (you may have a bad connection thermally between your CPU and cooler) that would explain your error too as heat build-up can cause that! try to re-paste the cooler and get a nice even coverage over the spreader in a thin layer!
 
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badboy2k said:
ahh that's bad (you may have a bad connection thermally between your CPU and cooler) that would explain your error too as heat build-up can cause that! try to re-paste the cooler and get a nice even coverage over the spreader in a thin layer!
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I replaced cpu, cooler and repaste and the same problem. Because Prime95 is not good idea test the cpu Haswell with stock cooler i read that with experts i can post here. The OCCT its mutch better to Haswell CPU and the temps is 78-80 and not 100C.
All my tests is pass OK. No CPU errors.

 
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Everyone has their own personal choices but the only utility approved by Intel for stress testing or stability testing their processors is the Intel Extreme Tuning Utility available in the download section for your motherboard. That faulting module listed in BlueScreenView is usually from an unexpected power loss. Uncheck the box for 'Automatic restart' in your Advanced settings to give Windows some time to write a .dmp file instead of restarting immediately.

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If you have your PageFile set to 'System Managed' change it to 'Custom' and then a fixed size of 1024 or 4096 MB. My current Page File size is 4096 MB.

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Zuhl3156 said:
If you have your PageFile set to 'System Managed' change it to 'Custom' and then a fixed size of 1024 or 4096 MB. My current Page File size is 4096 MB.

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Hi tks for the reply. That means my BSOD is unexpected power loss?  and that ocurred because of size of pagefile??? and need to uncheck the box automatic restart.

Im confused  :bonk:
 
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Zuhl3156 said:
Uncheck the box for automatic restart and set a fixed page file size of 4096 and we'll see what happens.
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Now im testing the memory i changed the velocity XMP 1866 to 1600mhz. (2 days and no bSOD)

But my question is: is not supposed a stable windows with default settings (automatic restart and pagefile default)????
 
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Windows can be stable, but the hardware itself might not be. You're running 4x 4GB Gskill Sniper RAM, so:
*GSkill itself doesn't work well with MSI motherboards (confirmed by many people, but can be fixed).
*Your RAM was running out of CPU specs. 1600 is the max these CPUs support, but the fact you have 4x4Gb, could mean that 1333mhz would be more stable.

With the pagefile it doesn't really matter, as I have it set to 50Mb right now, even though I had it set to 4Gb before. Just takes disk space in case it's needed. And automatic restart is set by default, so if you're more advanced user, you know what to change in order to get log files and everything else if needed.
 
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Nichrome said:
Windows can be stable, but the hardware itself might not be. You're running 4x 4GB Gskill Sniper RAM, so:
*GSkill itself doesn't work well with MSI motherboards (confirmed by many people, but can be fixed).
*Your RAM was running out of CPU specs. 1600 is the max these CPUs support, but the fact you have 4x4Gb, could mean that 1333mhz would be more stable.

With the pagefile it doesn't really matter, as I have it set to 50Mb right now, even though I had it set to 4Gb before. Just takes disk space in case it's needed. And automatic restart is set by default, so if you're more advanced user, you know what to change in order to get log files and everything else if needed.
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Corsair Vengeance or Dominator GT 1866mhz memories doing any problems to MSI Z97 Mgaming Motherboard???
 
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sonnyfuz said:
Now im testing the memory i changed the velocity XMP 1866 to 1600mhz. (2 days and no bSOD)

Corsair Vengeance or Dominator GT 1866mhz memories doing any problems to MSI Z97 Mgaming Motherboard???
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4 modules of DDR3-1866 is too much for your CPU.
http://ark.intel.com/products/75048/Intel-Core-i5-4670K-Processor-6M-Cache-up-to-3_80-GHz
Max Memory Size (dependent on memory type) : 32 GB
Memory Types : DDR3-1333/1600
Memory Channels : 2
Max Memory Bandwidth : 25.6 GB/s

4 modules for a dual-channel CPU is always problematic.
Compared to 4 x 4GB, with 2 x 8GB you have better chances.
:beerchug:
 
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RemusM said:
4 modules of DDR3-1866 is too much for your CPU.
http://ark.intel.com/products/75048/Intel-Core-i5-4670K-Processor-6M-Cache-up-to-3_80-GHz
Max Memory Size (dependent on memory type) : 32 GB
Memory Types : DDR3-1333/1600
Memory Channels : 2
Max Memory Bandwidth : 25.6 GB/s

4 modules for a dual-channel CPU is always problematic.
Compared to 4 x 4GB, with 2 x 8GB you have better chances.
:beerchug:
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Please can you explain me why is better 2x8gb??

tks
 
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2x8GB is better then 4x4GB as you have half the amount of slots used and it also puts less strain on the IMC on your processor as a result because your not asking it to use 4 separate areas for RAM but 2 instead so its less strenuous for it to cope with as its not having to store all the locations for data over 4 areas but instead 2 of them so Half the strain automatically.

a IMC on a processor is limited and as you crank up the frequancy of the memory the strain increases but if you only have 2 sticks that strain is half what your currently placing on it. so like RemusM said its better for your CPU to deal with...
 
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