NEW BUILD Gaming PC X870E Godlike

[MclarenF1Fan108]

Hello everyone. So I'm planning my new build. The parts i have and the parts i don't have yet.

Parts I Have

MSI X870E GODLIKE - YES

Arctic Freezer III 420mm A-RGB AIO - YES (Checked compatibility with board) - YES

CoolerMaster HAF 700 - YES

DDR5 Memory - YES
G.SKILL Trident Z5 Royal Neo Series (AMD Expo) DDR5 RAM 32GB (2X 16GB) 6000MT/s CL26-36-36-96 1.45V Desktop Computer Memory U-DIMM - Gold (F5-6000J2636H16GX2-TR5NG)

Parts i Still Need.

Mobius 140P ARGB 76.05CFM, 2.3mmH20 30dBA (for radiator AIO Cooler)Your thoughts ?
OR
MasterFan MF140 HALO² ARGB 59.51CFM, 2.53mmH20 27dBA (for radiator AIO Cooler)Your thoughts ?

Mobius 120P ARGB 3-pack Fan Kit - Your thoughts ?
(upgrade over stock HAF 700 sickleflow 120 For case rear exhaust)

AMD 9800X3D

Seasonic PSU

PCI-E 5 M.2 drives

Lian Li Strimer Plus cables

 

[xrodne152202d4]

It's already been stated several times by several users that reported values from Samsung Magician are not falling in line with actual performance values.
So you know 12 people that have the Godlike board and none have issues? LOL! Now that's rich. You just proved yourself to be untrustworthy and a MSI fan boy.

We were talking about Tomahawk and MSI boards in general that have some users reporting issues with M2_1 speeds.
Only issue specific to Godlike is DD3 failures so STFU.

 

[crai151502d0]

We were talking about Tomahawk and MSI boards in general that have some users reporting issues with M2_1 speeds.
Only issue specific to Godlike is DD3 failures so STFU.

Oh. Perhaps you should re-read the OP's statement (not too hard just look up). He clearly says "Godlike", which is clearly how the conversation began.
Again, glad you "think" yours is working. Unless though you have some worthwhile input, I'd suggest to keeping the non-helpful commentary to yourself, and let the adults discuss.

 

[xrodne152202d4]

Oh. Perhaps you should re-read the OP's statement (not too hard just look up). He clearly says "Godlike", which is clearly how the conversation began.
Again, glad you "think" yours is working. Unless though you have some worthwhile input, I'd suggest to keeping the non-helpful commentary to yourself, and let the adults discuss.

Or maybe you should just reread your own posts. You are just putting insults, making unfounded assumptions and It was you starting mentioning Tomahawk here.

We were talking with OPs about issues and versions that might be affected before you started jumping on me.

M2_1 speed issue exist, its not limited to godlike (or even to just MSI), but affects Godlike, Tomahawk, Carbon and probably another boards as well.
It however affecting small amount of people otherwise there would be way more complaints and it would also reflect in boards user ranking and comments on seller sites as well.
One shop in one small country sold 500-1000 x970 Tomahawk Boards with 4.8/5 user rating and 99.55% reliability.
Similar data I have from one of my country distributor which btw is also making custom and prebuild systems with same board and as far as I know didnt have nvme speed issue.

I am pretty sure that MSI sales are probably in hundreds of thousands so when I say its just "few" having problem I have backed by fata unlike your unfounded assumptions.

And BTW even those 0.45% warranty claims, I pretty sure most are for other things than M2_1 speed issues.

And if you think 0.45% RMAs is bad, look at Asus or asrock or gigabyte boards.
Asus Hero is 1.08%, Proart nearly 4% RMA, Gigabyte Elite wifi close to 2%, Asrock Nova 2.03%, Steel legend 3.31%.

So yes DD3 issues were bad, but but for rest, If MSI boards are Turd, how would you call failure rate on Asus or Asrock that is actually killing CPUs?

 

[crai151502d0]

Or maybe you should just reread your own posts. You are just putting insults, making unfounded assumptions and It was you starting mentioning Tomahawk here.

We were talking with OPs about issues and versions that might be affected before you started jumping on me.

M2_1 speed issue exist, its not limited to godlike (or even to just MSI), but affects Godlike, Tomahawk, Carbon and probably another boards as well.
It however affecting small amount of people otherwise there would be way more complaints and it would also reflect in boards user ranking and comments on seller sites as well.
One shop in one small country sold 500-1000 x970 Tomahawk Boards with 4.8/5 user rating and 99.55% reliability.
Similar data I have from one of my country distributor which btw is also making custom and prebuild systems with same board and as far as I know didnt have nvme speed issue.

I am pretty sure that MSI sales are probably in hundreds of thousands so when I say its just "few" having problem I have backed by fata unlike your unfounded assumptions.

And BTW even those 0.45% warranty claims, I pretty sure most are for other things than M2_1 speed issues.

And if you think 0.45% RMAs is bad, look at Asus or asrock or gigabyte boards.
Asus Hero is 1.08%, Proart nearly 4% RMA, Gigabyte Elite wifi close to 2%, Asrock Nova 2.03%, Steel legend 3.31%.

So yes DD3 issues were bad, but but for rest, If MSI boards are Turd, how would you call failure rate on Asus or Asrock that is actually killing CPUs?

 

[MclarenF1Fan108]

Seeing as the Samsung 9100 Pro M.2 is not on the MSI X870E Godlike Storage QVL list should we risk compatibility issues trying the drive on the board ? I've also heard here and other sources, Reddit, that most of the PCI-E Gen4 drives are running on this board without any issues. The problem with dropping speeds mainly lies with Gen5 drives only ? Should I risk buying the 9100 Pro or just stick to drives we know are on their QVL list including all capacities 990 Pro, 990 Evo Plus, 980 Pro etc...

 

[crai151502d0]

Depends on how many Gen 5 you want to run. M2_2 does not seem to have any speed issue, however you will sacrifice USB4 if you want to get the full nvme speed on M2_2
Of course, you could be problem free...who knows. You will not know until you try.
I can say this, my Corsair MP700 Pro seemed to be more problematic to the issue than my Samsung 9100 pro. (in the M2_1)
I have a Sabrent SB-RKT5-4TB in M2_2 that runs fine and gets the advertised speeds.
All my drives are Gen5

 

[MclarenF1Fan108]

Depends on how many Gen 5 you want to run. M2_2 does not seem to have any speed issue, however you will sacrifice USB4 if you want to get the full nvme speed on M2_2
Of course, you could be problem free...who knows. You will not know until you try.
I can say this, my Corsair MP700 Pro seemed to be more problematic to the issue than my Samsung 9100 pro. (in the M2_1)
I have a Sabrent SB-RKT5-4TB in M2_2 that runs fine and gets the advertised speeds.
All my drives are Gen5

Hello Crai151502d0. Thanks for joining and helping me out. So it seems you had no compatibility or real issues with the 9100 Pro ? If the 9100 Pro is not an issue i might get that for the 2_1 slot for (OS) drive. I thought with the M.2 2_2 and USB4 lane sharing and speed drop that the 990 Evo Plus would be ideal because its a hybrid Gen5 Gen4 drive that can switch from PCI-E Gen5 4x down to Gen4 2x speed. So it would be ideal for this slot. RemusM said to just run Gen5 in both 2_1 and 2_2 and i would not notice the difference much. I suppose only when using the USB4 ports. So my whole reasoning on using the slower Gen or hybrid is that in general not as many people seem to report Gen4 issues, its just something i read on a reddit post.

Current plan for my build is:
2_1 slot 9100 Pro or 990 Pro
2_2 slot 990 Pro or Evo Plus (evo plus with hybrid switching speeds)

 

[xrodne152202d4]

Hello Crai151502d0. Thanks for joining and helping me out. So it seems you had no compatibility or real issues with the 9100 Pro ? If the 9100 Pro is not an issue i might get that for the 2_1 slot for (OS) drive. I thought with the M.2 2_2 and USB4 lane sharing and speed drop that the 990 Evo Plus would be ideal because its a hybrid Gen5 Gen4 drive that can switch from PCI-E Gen5 4x down to Gen4 2x speed. So it would be ideal for this slot. RemusM said to just run Gen5 in both 2_1 and 2_2 and i would not notice the difference much. I suppose only when using the USB4 ports. So my whole reasoning on using the slower Gen or hybrid is that in general not as many people seem to report Gen4 issues, its just something i read on a reddit post.

Current plan for my build is:
2_1 slot 9100 Pro or 990 Pro
2_2 slot 990 Pro or Evo Plus (evo plus with hybrid switching speeds)

Thing is, when you use any nvme drive, you dont reach maximum speeds most of time, As example, cloning disk copy data in paralel and can reach max speed but just Copying file wont and random access like games laoding additional data during gameplay or copying folder with smaller files will be even slower.

Question si what you want to use 2nd slot for?
If for games, storing Fotos, watch movies 990 EVO plus would be best. Using 990 pro here would be kind of waste its performance is close to Evo plus, but you will be limiting its speed to half.
If you want to used disk for heavy workload working with raw video, scrubbing through files you might consider using Gen5 in M2_2, yes it will be limited to 7GB/s, but you will get more performance for longer time out of it. Or even better, use gen4/5 in addin card. Thats if you want to keep using USB4.

 

[BuiltMeAToy]

Hello Crai151502d0. Thanks for joining and helping me out. So it seems you had no compatibility or real issues with the 9100 Pro ? If the 9100 Pro is not an issue i might get that for the 2_1 slot for (OS) drive. I thought with the M.2 2_2 and USB4 lane sharing and speed drop that the 990 Evo Plus would be ideal because its a hybrid Gen5 Gen4 drive that can switch from PCI-E Gen5 4x down to Gen4 2x speed. So it would be ideal for this slot. RemusM said to just run Gen5 in both 2_1 and 2_2 and i would not notice the difference much. I suppose only when using the USB4 ports. So my whole reasoning on using the slower Gen or hybrid is that in general not as many people seem to report Gen4 issues, its just something i read on a reddit post.

Current plan for my build is:
2_1 slot 9100 Pro or 990 Pro
2_2 slot 990 Pro or Evo Plus (evo plus with hybrid switching speeds)

I'm running 2 Samsung 9100 Pro 1TB drives in a RAID0 array from M.2_1 and M.2_2 with no issues from them.
The Xpander in PCIE_2 isn't being recognized for some reason. I'm researching that one now.

 

[MclarenF1Fan108]

Thing is, when you use any nvme drive, you dont reach maximum speeds most of time, As example, cloning disk copy data in paralel and can reach max speed but just Copying file wont and random access like games laoding additional data during gameplay or copying folder with smaller files will be even slower.

Question si what you want to use 2nd slot for?
If for games, storing Fotos, watch movies 990 EVO plus would be best. Using 990 pro here would be kind of waste its performance is close to Evo plus, but you will be limiting its speed to half.
If you want to used disk for heavy workload working with raw video, scrubbing through files you might consider using Gen5 in M2_2, yes it will be limited to 7GB/s, but you will get more performance for longer time out of it. Or even better, use gen4/5 in addin card. Thats if you want to keep using USB4.

Oh hey Rodne. No my second drive is just for games, no heavy workloads like raw video etc... So i might stick to 990 Pro Gen4 in 2_1 for OS and EVO plus Gen5 / Gen4 hybrid in 2_2 for Games. I might fill up the 3rd slot with another 990 Pro 2TB for games again.

 

[MclarenF1Fan108]

I'm running 2 Samsung 9100 Pro 1TB drives in a RAID0 array from M.2_1 and M.2_2 with no issues from them.
The Xpander in PCIE_2 isn't being recognized for some reason. I'm researching that one now.

Hey you are running these in the Godlike with no issues. Ok that's two people so far who have not had a fault with the 9100 Pro however as Rodney just said to me, i'm probably wasting their capabilities if i aren't going to do any tasks that require that speed. So i may just opt for the cheaper Gen4 drives and the hybrid in 2_2 for the USB4 speed switching issue. It would also be better for games as Rodney said probably for my use case.

 

[xrodne152202d4]

Hey you are running these in the Godlike with no issues. Ok that's two people so far who have not had a fault with the 9100 Pro however as Rodney just said to me, i'm probably wasting their capabilities if i aren't going to do any tasks that require that speed. So i may just opt for the cheaper Gen4 drives and the hybrid in 2_2 for the USB4 speed switching issue. It would also be better for games as Rodney said probably for my use case.

Unless money are no issue, you can also benefit from getting bigger gen4 drive that will sustain faster speed longer.
This is best case scenario, copying big files with 32 que depth, depending on disk cache size and nand speeds, for 9100 pro you get about 40 seconds of fast then it drop to same speed as 990 pro or evo plus, however double capacity should also give you double time before cache get exhauset, so if you compare 2TB 9100 pro with 4TB 990 pro, you get 40s 9100 run faster, then another 40s where 990 is faster, after that both will run similar speed.

Similar it will be with 9100 2TB running in gen4 slot time to deplete cache will be aproximately double (its not exact as you are filling cache at certain rate, but it also get emptied at certain rate giving you bit aditional time)

Also fot long sustainable writes (ie you are cloning whole drive full of data) 9100 is not much faster than 990 pro, actually EVO Plus beat 990 pro here, but for regular single thread copy/write some files 990 pro is little faster.

So, if money are no problem you will get some benefit from gen5 used even in gen4 slots, but if you are considering price, 4TB gen4 cost about same as 2TB gen5 but give you twice as much storage. However 990 pro vs 990 Evo Plus in 2_2 slot in x2 mode I would go with EVO Plus.

 

[BuiltMeAToy]

Hey you are running these in the Godlike with no issues. Ok that's two people so far who have not had a fault with the 9100 Pro however as Rodney just said to me, i'm probably wasting their capabilities if i aren't going to do any tasks that require that speed. So i may just opt for the cheaper Gen4 drives and the hybrid in 2_2 for the USB4 speed switching issue. It would also be better for games as Rodney said probably for my use case.

Ok, problem solved.
I haven't done a build in a few years and expected some kind of pop-up to request that the new drives be initialized, didn't happen. Once I got into disk management it started ringing some bells. Now everything is running very smoothly. I'll try to run some numbers before too long to see just how much drop off I get from the drives. I'm wondering if establishing a reserve cache or swap file will aid in things keeping their speeds??

 

[MclarenF1Fan108]

Can we talk about cooling ? Mine will all be built in a HAF 700. I need to make a decision on which Coolermaster fans to upgrade to from the stock Sickleflow. They have 3 models. Do you guys think all 3 models would be suitable for both jobs. Intake, Exhaust aswell as AIO. I know with AIO I need to pick the ones with the highest static pressure. It's the intake and exhaust which I'm stuck on choosing. I do want ones that can push most air around the case over a wider area.

Models:.

Standard model with case
Sickleflow

Higher performance models
Sickle flow Edge 120 or 140
Halo² 120 or 140
Mobius 120 or 140

 

[xrodne152202d4]

Corsair 9000D and Phanteks T30-120 because you can combine up to 4 fans to one and have single cable. Looks better and easier to work with than single fans.
And unlike Lianli inofans and others, no proprietary connectores and hubs. They also pull much less power than others.

 

[MclarenF1Fan108]

Corsair 9000D and Phanteks T30-120 because you can combine up to 4 fans to one and have single cable. Looks better and easier to work with than single fans.
And unlike Lianli inofans and others, no proprietary connectores and hubs. They also pull much less power than others.
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Thanks for your input Rodney but I've already decided and purchased the HAF 700. I don't want to change it for a Corsair case. It's the cooling fans I was really asking about. You can buy the 3 bar ones from CoolerMaster. I'm more concerned on which model fans and their airflow aspect for exhaust, Intake and which ones for AIO or static pressure. I looked at the specs of each fan model but can't decide which ones will excel at case cooling and which ones will excel at AIO cooling. Or are all the higher CoolerMaster models good at doing both jobs. Hmm thanks for sharing the Corsair and the Phanteks fans. I can have a look at the Phanteks but I don't think they perform like the CoolerMaster ones. Also I need ARGB ones.

 

[xrodne152202d4]

Thanks for your input Rodney but I've already decided and purchased the HAF 700. I don't want to change it for a Corsair case. It's the cooling fans I was really asking about. You can buy the 3 bar ones from CoolerMaster. I'm more concerned on which model fans and their airflow aspect for exhaust, Intake and which ones for AIO or static pressure. I looked at the specs of each fan model but can't decide which ones will excel at case cooling and which ones will excel at AIO cooling. Or are all the higher CoolerMaster models good at doing both jobs. Hmm thanks for sharing the Corsair and the Phanteks fans. I can have a look at the Phanteks but I don't think they perform like the CoolerMaster ones. Also I need ARGB ones.

For AIO you want those with high presure and square, not round ones like masterfans as because increased restriction on radiator and distance of blade from fins a lot of air will go around fan instead of through radiator. For in and out case fans this does not matter.

Mobius 120P would be good on AIO due to their high Presure 3.63 mmH2O, for in/exhaust case fans you can use any of them, preinstalled sicleflow especialy 200mm ones are fine, rest depend on specific situation/placement/orientation and also rpm you want to use.

 

[MclarenF1Fan108]

For AIO you want those with high presure and square, not round ones like masterfans as because increased restriction on radiator and distance of blade from fins a lot of air will go around fan instead of through radiator. For in and out case fans this does not matter.

Mobius 120P would be good on AIO due to their high Presure 3.63 mmH2O, for in/exhaust case fans you can use any of them, preinstalled sicleflow especialy 200mm ones are fine, rest depend on specific situation/placement/orientation and also rpm you want to use.

The LF3 420 I bought uses 14cm fans. I think the Mobius 140P have lower static pressure than the 120P, but I'm not sure if they have the highest static pressure over all the other CoolerMaster 140mm models. But I think most of the CoolerMaster 140mm fans have higher static pressure than the included arctic fans with this AIO.

As for case cooling intake/exhaust as per your advice, I guess I should just pick the highest CFM of all the CoolerMaster 12/ 14cm fan models then. I was planning to have 3 below the GPU bottom case firing up, 3 on the front back side for intake ? And 3 on the top for exhaust behind the AIO cooler.

 

[xrodne152202d4]

The LF3 420 I bought uses 14cm fans. I think the Mobius 140P have lower static pressure than the 120P, but I'm not sure if they have the highest static pressure over all the other CoolerMaster 140mm models. But I think most of the CoolerMaster 140mm fans have higher static pressure than the included arctic fans with this AIO.

As for case cooling intake/exhaust as per your advice, I guess I should just pick the highest CFM of all the CoolerMaster 12/ 14cm fan models then. I was planning to have 3 below the GPU bottom case firing up, 3 on the front back side for intake ? And 3 on the top for exhaust behind the AIO cooler.

Yes, bigger fan at considerably lower RPM so its logical to have lower static presure.
Coolermaster 140 fans are particulary bad at static presure. Probably one of resons they only have 120mm AIO.

 

[MclarenF1Fan108]

The Phanteks D30 regular 140 seem to beat the Mobius 140P and MF140 for CFM and static pressure at 71.93CFM and 3.32mm-h20.

Then I looked at the Corsair fans. And I saw they have so many models it's hard to know which model performs the best. This is a pretty hard decision because I can't work out the numbers there's so many fan choices.

Corsair's range. Are they good fans ? So many I don't know which for my configuration. I need two 120 exhaust for the rear of the HAF, and I need either 120 or 140 for top exhaust bottom and side intake. And the best model 140 AIO for static pressure.

RX120. 71.3CFM. 4.15mm-h20
Max
RX140. 102.9CFM. 2.38mm-h20
Max

LX120-R 66.7CFM. 4.72mm-h20
LX140-R 90.6CFM. 4.22mm-h20

LX120. 69.7CFM. 5.22mm-h20
LX140. 84.7CFM. 4.86mm-h20

RX120. 73.5CFM. 4.33mm-h20
RX140. 94.7CFM. 3.75mm-h20

RS120. 72.8CFM. 4.15mm-h20
RS140. 95.5CFM. 3.46mm-h20