PRO Z690-A DDR4/WIFI Owners Thread

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I will try the New bios. Thanks for letting me know.

I did have some success.

I did a clean Install of Windows 11 on NVME withh all sata drives removed and a cleared cmos loading defaults in bios.
Installed the Nic and did another cmos clear, loading defaults. It was stable.
Added in the SATA drives and it is back to stable. It seems like the bios was getting messed up somehow previously.
The Nic is now in PCIE_3 and working normally. I don't know what was going on before but it seemed to be messing up the bios.
Since I was on 143 maybe the BIOS was unstable.

I am back on 14 now and everything seems stable. I am not losing usb ports at boot. While boot time to Login is not under 30 seconds
it is still good. I think each device adds a small delay as it is recognized, initialized during boot.

I'm going to look for changelogs on 17 and maybe give that a shot. I knnow how to get back to 14 pretty easily now.
Thanks for all the suggestions. Will post if there are any changes, updates.
 

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New BIOS Version: 7D25v17
What do you think happened to versions 15 and 16 since this is a jump from stable 14 to stable 17? Do you think the descriptions are complete on these bios updates? I always update to the latest bios due to the new board and cpu. They have all worked for me so far incl betas.
 

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Did u see any difference?
..and btw, i have my 12700k since April, that's nearly 3 months already. Theoretically, it's bended because of the ILM. But what happens if i change to the Thermalright frame? Will it stay bended or will it come back to shape?
 

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Did u see any difference?
..and btw, i have my 12700k since April, that's nearly 3 months already. Theoretically, it's bended because of the ILM. But what happens if i change to the Thermalright frame? Will it stay bended or will it come back to shape?
Good point. I had a 12600K with ILM since December. I switched May 24 to 12700k with Thermalright frame. So 5 months. I held straight edge to i5 and there was no bend. Unless it "Un-bent" after removing ILM. Also, the board showed no bending or dent from the ILM. However on my board the frame feels more solid than the ILM which seemed to need a lot of pressure to lock.
 

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On the review i saw on Gamer Nexus (he had the thermal grizzly frame), they did not lap the cpu when testing... so, maybe the IHS is getting un-bent when removed from the socket.
 

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On the review i saw on Gamer Nexus (he had the thermal grizzly frame), they did not lap the cpu when testing... so, maybe the IHS is getting un-bent when removed from the socket.
Yes it seems like that's possible. Just watched the review very interesting. Thermal Grizzly frame has the marks for torque, but even without I had 4-5c less at idle with the Thermalright frame just by tightening by feel. I just helped a friend build using MPG Z690 EDGE WIFI DDR4 with 12700k and the ILM latching was very smooth and required a lot less pressure than the ILM on my pro.
 

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Hey, if i plug my rtx3070 on PCIE_E3 (PCIE_E1 do not work), will it affect its perf ?
I bought my card 7 month ago, does MSI refund broken motherboard ? I can't send it for repair for weeks and having no PC
 
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I'm back rto having issues with the Z690-A DDR-4.
This is the same issue with extremely long shut-downs and power-ons.
From hitting the power button to POST is about 6 monutes.
No additional NIC installed this time.

I'm starting to think maybe a bad motherboard?

I am on 1.70 currently. Behavior is identical to previous firmware versions. It works for a few days, then suddenly starts having long shutdowns and power ons.
USB ports are providing power but no data. Mouse and keyboard will light up and sometimes mouse will work but keyboard will never work. Lights up though.

I was able to get it working by clearing the cmos multiple times, and finally removing all power for at least 5 minutes.

Now it is back to booting in under 30 seconds to login prompt and all USB works at boot. I expect it to stop working again in a few days.

Is this worth opening a ticket with MSI? I reallt don't want to have to sent it off and then be told there is nothing wrong with it because they can't reproduce it.
Not to mention being down a workstation since I won't have amotherboard. It hard to have a spare Z690 laying around. I have a spare CPU, but no motherboard.
 
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Forget everything I said about it working. I'm going to talk to MSI support because this board is absolutely not stable.
It is back to taking forever to shutdown, reboot. Now i got a blue screen on reboot. Device ran into problems and needs to reboot. "If" I can get into the bios and reset it, sometimes it fixes it. after about 10 tries or so. I have been trying to boot for the last 30 minutes with no success. Sometimes tge debug vga ight comes on for a few minutes, sometimes it doesn't. Frequently when it boots, USB devices don't work. They have power and the lights come on bu nothing. It didn't matter when I pulled all the sata drives, by gpu and unplugged all the usb devices. There is no single thing I can do that will work every time. This is my first MSi motherboard so maybe this is their build quality and I should know better? Booted up to login screen and no USB devices. Im trying the back panel, I'm trying front connectors. I even tried an add-in panel that serves usb-a from a motherboard header. Nothing works. Keyboard lights up, but doesn't work. I am extremely frustrated. This is not my first computer. This is just my first MSI motherboard. Should it be my last?

If it was consistently bad I wouldn't be as frustrated. When it boots and work, it works well. But if I shutdown, I am gambling on not being able to start up again. I've done clean installs. Pulled everything. Nothing. Then I will reboot a few more times and then randomly it will start working again, for a while. Once I shutdown, gambling time again.
 
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Then I will reboot a few more times and then randomly it will start working again, for a while. Once I shutdown, gambling time again.
It is frustrating because it's not consistent. I had an issue when I was connecting the iGPU to monitor and I had a 1080 installed at the same time. It would boot into Windows but not let me into bios. I spent 2 days looking at forums that said it might be a display issue. Best Buy was going to give me a free replacement, and then I changed the output to the 1080 and got right into bios. If you're sure everything is connected properly, and you've tried the stock bios settings, then changing out the board seems your only option. Will the dealer you purchased the board from allow an exchange due to defective board? Did you test the ram?
 

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Am I the only one having issues with the board having weird behavior after monitor turns off ?
I initially thought it was a sleep issue. I don't turn my systems off ever so I just disable the sleep function so its always on just the monitor powers down after some time.

Once this happens I get random weird errors .
1. It will not copy and paste text . Nothing happens when you do.
2. If photoshop is open i will not be able to move anything such as layers / text etc. some stuff works.
3. Some programs give random errors and will not open.
4. I cannot open images as most image viewers give errors. Windows picture viewer says not enough memory others give random error codes.

This board is the worst I have ever had to deal with.

That being said, once I reboot the system works flawlessly. Maybe a small price to pay but it is sure as heck annoying..
 

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Am I the only one having issues with the board having weird behavior after monitor turns off ?
I initially thought it was a sleep issue. I don't turn my systems off ever so I just disable the sleep function so its always on just the monitor powers down after some time.
I would think there is a good chance that any such problem could be related to your graphics driver including some specifics of your config such as exact model of GPU and monitor type(s) and settings such as resolution etc. So you should specify those details, and consider testing alternatives as potential troubleshooting. Also other details such as processor model, memory, etc.

For example, in the past (not this motherboard) I've seen Intel driver with DisplayPort monitors having issue after monitor standby where windows would resize/reposition to upper left corner - it would not happen for non-Intel GPU and/or non-DisplayPort. There was a workaround where you could edit the registry to increase the resolution of the generic monitor ID from the default (since the problem was the monitor ID somehow getting reset briefly during the standby).

I'm not saying that there is some known fix already such as updating your graphics driver, but I'm guessing that the problem might not be the motherboard and might not be occurring for all graphics configurations.

Regarding Windows picture viewer, consider a potential troubleshooting workaround such as Settings-Video turn off hardware accelerated video (there may be similar troubleshooting settings in Photoshop).
 
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I would this there is a good chance that any such problem could be related to your graphics driver including some specifics of your config such as exact model of GPU and monitor type(s) and settings such as resolution etc. So you should specify those details, and consider testing alternatives as potential troubleshooting. Also other details such as processor model, memory, etc.

For example, in the past (not this motherboard) I've seen Intel driver with DisplayPort monitors having issue after monitor standby where windows would resize/reposition to upper left corner - it would not happen for non-Intel GPU and/or non-DisplayPort. There was a workaround where you could edit the registry to increase the resolution of the generic monitor ID from the default (since the problem was the monitor ID somehow getting reset briefly during the standby).

I'm not saying that there is some known fix already such as updating your graphics driver, but I'm guessing that the problem might not be the motherboard and might not be occurring for all graphics configurations.

Regarding Windows picture viewer, consider a potential troubleshooting workaround such as Settings-Video turn off hardware accelerated video (there may be similar troubleshooting settings in Photoshop).
Sorry forgot to post system specs.
Since I had so many issues I am literally running the following.
Z690a-pro
12700k
512gb Intel 660p ssd
16gb crucial ballistix

removed video card rtx 3080 founders edition , creative sound blaster z, etc.basic barebone system does the same thing.
Currently using onboard video and its the same issue.
Fresh install of windows.
Before I wiped the system I took the ssd back to my 10th gen system and it worked fine so its clearly something with the board/bios...
 

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Forget everything I said about it working.
You've probably tried this, but if it were me I'd consider focusing on something like the USB attachments. I don't want to name specifics, but I had a certain brand external hard drive attached by USB which cause behavior similar to what you describe (this was many years ago and not MSI motherboard). Problems went away if I didn't have that drive connected at boot or if I changed to a different brand external drive. Consider disconnecting USB cables between your case and motherboard, for example within the past week I helped someone here whose case used an old non-standard pinout for the 19-20 pin USB3 connector and having that connected caused trouble including not just the case USB ports but also the rear USB ports (disconnecting the cable returned proper function to the rear ports).
 

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Sorry forgot to post system specs.
Again, in this situation I would add more details such as the Intel graphics driver version(s) you have tried (30.0.101.1368 or whatever), your monitor model(s)/resolution(s) and how it is connected (DisplayPort vs HDMI). Troubleshooting might include trying different versions of graphics drivers (newer or maybe older), temporarily trying lower resolution setting, etc. Problem may not be unique to motherboard but rather all those graphics details for someone like Intel.
 

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I got some results from testing the Thermalright 1700 BCF on my 12700k (stock clocks). I also managed to get my hands on the Thermal Grizzly frame that i had to install for my best bud (he bought it from Germany, took it almost 3 weeks to arrive).

First of all, the i got my Thermalright from alliexpress, and it cost me 12.5€ (european warehouse). It was the original frame, with a genuine sticker on the box that can be used to check authenticity on website.

Upon removing my Arctic Liquid Freezer II 280, i saw this:
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To me, it seems like there is perfect contact in the middle, but not in the sides that the ILM is actually applying pressure on the CPU. But again, the middle section of the CPU is most important, since all cores are there.
I cleaned all thermal paste with alcohol, and used an old card with a light source behind to check if the CPU is bended. And i got this:
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... it looks like it's bended, but not that much that most people should worry about.

I was also surprised to see that the original LOTES / MSI ILM already had washers (of some short) on the bottom. Correct me if i'm wrong, but i think that in other CPU sockets, the ILM did not have those black washers. Maybe it is their attempt to ease the pressure on the chip? I have no idea...
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Now, the big question, will it un-bend when ILM is loose? I was happy to see that it gets flat. The following picture is with the ILM removed, and it looks flat.
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... and another one with the thermalright frame installed:
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Now, installation as easy as it can get. Easier than the Thermal Grizzly's frame. The thermalright frame has the actual height needed to put enough pressure on the CPU to work and pins have correct contact. That means that you can actually bottom down the screws without worrying if you apply to much or too low pressure. At lease on MSI z690 pro wifi, it works as intended. I just didn't go crazy on tighten the screws, just applyied normal pressure on them and felt the screws bottomed down...
On the Thermal Grizzly frame, the frame height of the frame is lower than this one. That might make it compatible with more mobos (i have no idea even if that statement is correct), but that makes it harder to calculate how much pressure is needed so that you wont tighten the screws too much or too little.

Now, the test results... I just run several Cinebench R23 benchmarks to see if the results i get are similar, to exclude any type of thermal error. I have 3 screenshots with the standard ILM, and 3 screenshots with the thermalright frame installed. These screenshots are right at the start of the benchmark, after 5mins running a 10min benchmark (middle of the test) and right after it finishes. You will also see other temps in the screenshots, like nvme and GPU temps, but just ignore them. I used the latest HWInfo. CPU was running on stock clocks, only XMP is enabled in BIOS.
All my tests were done with high ambient room temperature (30C). That was intentional, since i didn't want to have any air conditioning in the room while testing.
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With stock ILM, and without the thermalright frame installed, i got this:
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Now, with the Thermalright frame installed, i got this:
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As you can see, temperatures are lower... -6C on cpu package at the middle of the benchmark.
My 2cents on this, if you are a hardcore overclocker, go for it...
... if you are a gamer or a professional, don't bother...

I hope i helped those who are thinking of buying one of these frames... Just don't get the Thermal Grizzly one... it simply does not worth it, its 3 times more expensive and harder to install.
 
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CPU: 英特尔 I5 12600KF 盒装(板U套装)
主板: 微星 PRO Z690-A DDR4(京东店铺3005)
散热: 利民 PA 120 标准版(天猫旗舰199)
电源:振华 HG850W 金牌全模(京东店铺867)
固态:三星 970evoplus 256G(京东自营319)
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