Ram upgrade running at 1866 mhz

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Ok I bought ram upgrade of gskill 16gb 3200 mhz for a total of 32gb ram. Both sets of ram run at 3200 mhz when installed on their own but when all 4 ram is installed they only run at 1866 mhz ram. When turning on it shuts off after a few seconds then turns back off before turning on a second time. My motherboard is a msi x470 gaming plus max with a ryzen 7 2700 cpu. The acmp profile is set to axmp 2 and speed and the ddr4 dram frequency is set to 3200 as well. The timings are slightly different per set of sticks not sure if that makes a difference.
 
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Mixing different RAM is not good. There can only be a single set of parameters for the whole memory system. If the two RAM kits are not exactly identical, then it would have to be some compromise that tries to make different RAM modules with probably completely different ICs (memory chips) happy at the same time, even though they need different parameters from the board. And i'm not even primarily talking about the speed and timings here, i'm talking about the electrical parameters. So the IMC (integrated memory controller of the CPU) has to do "the splits". It sees different kinds of modules being used, with quite different requirements for certain parameters on the memory bus, but it can only set a "middle ground". Sometimes there is no good middle ground.

It would be better to return the new kit, sell the old kit, and get a kit of 2x 16 GB DDR4-3200.
See RAM explained: Why two modules are better than four / single- vs. dual-rank / stability testing.
Because when you have the kinds of problems that you have, it means the memory system doesn't like your combination at all.
 
Ok I bought ram upgrade of gskill 16gb 3200 mhz for a total of 32gb ram. Both sets of ram run at 3200 mhz when installed on their own but when all 4 ram is installed they only run at 1866 mhz ram. When turning on it shuts off after a few seconds then turns back off before turning on a second time. My motherboard is a msi x470 gaming plus max with a ryzen 7 2700 cpu. The acmp profile is set to axmp 2 and speed and the ddr4 dram frequency is set to 3200 as well. The timings are slightly different per set of sticks not sure if that makes a difference.
I actually have a very similar setup, an X470 Gaming Plus MAX, and a Ryzen 7 2700X.
But I only have 2 sticks of ram, but I can get them running at XMP at 3200 MHz without any issues. But it has to be on profile 1.
Without knowing what sticks they are and what profiles they have for XMP or AXMP, it's hard to say.

Best I can suggest is try 2 sticks first to see if that works. You might get 4 sticks working at 3200, but you might need to play with voltages and timing a little bit.
At that point though, I'd probably just ditch 4 sticks, and buy 2 new sticks of memory at the sizes you want total.
 
Here are the screen shots of the ram timings. One on the left is the new ram one on the right is old ram.
 

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The main problem is this: The RAM makers always want to reduce their cost, so over time they may switch to ICs (memory chips) with higher density (less chips for the same capacity) for their RAM modules, or to cheaper and more available ICs which can manage exactly the same XMP speed/timings. So they keep the XMP profile exactly identical, to keep offering the same-spec product that people want to buy, but with different ICs under the heatspreader. This can then lead to the problems i mentioned above.

Namely, that it's not primarily about the speed and timings, it's about what kind of different ICs are used on the RAM modules, which need different parameters (electrical termination and so on, for good signal quality on the memory bus). But some parameters, they work for all the RAM, so it has to be a compromise. It usually ends up being a compromise that is worse than either of the two kits alone. Sometimes it might only boot after manual intervention, or it might not work at XMP speed. So a kit of two modules only is best, followed by four matched modules (in essence, a kit of four modules that are 100% identical and tested to work with each other).

To really see how identical the modules from the two kits are, read out the RAM module details with Thaiphoon Burner. Run as admin, click on the "Read" icon and read the so-called SPD information. Then you can go to "File" - "Take a screenshot".

Also, something you can try which takes only five minutes: Swap the kits' places with each other. Put the first kit from A1+B1 into A2+B2 and vice versa. Sometimes the memory system like one combination better than the other.
 
The main problem is this: The RAM makers always want to reduce their cost, so over time they may switch to ICs (memory chips) with higher density (less chips for the same capacity) for their RAM modules, or to cheaper and more available ICs which can manage exactly the same XMP speed/timings. So they keep the XMP profile exactly identical, to keep offering the same-spec product that people want to buy, but with different ICs under the heatspreader. This can then lead to the problems i mentioned above.

Namely, that it's not primarily about the speed and timings, it's about what kind of different ICs are used on the RAM modules, which need different parameters (electrical termination and so on, for good signal quality on the memory bus). But some parameters, they work for all the RAM, so it has to be a compromise. It usually ends up being a compromise that is worse than either of the two kits alone. Sometimes it might only boot after manual intervention, or it might not work at XMP speed. So a kit of two modules only is best, followed by four matched modules (in essence, a kit of four modules that are 100% identical and tested to work with each other).

To really see how identical the modules from the two kits are, read out the RAM module details with Thaiphoon Burner. Run as admin, click on the "Read" icon and read the so-called SPD information. Then you can go to "File" - "Take a screenshot".

Also, something you can try which takes only five minutes: Swap the kits' places with each other. Put the first kit from A1+B1 into A2+B2 and vice versa. Sometimes the memory system like one combination better than the other.
I could not get thaipoon burner to work browser says it's not a secure download got a copy from softpedia but said a file was missing. I switched the rams slots and speed was not unchanged. Now I have a boot error. I am going to send ram back.
 
Yeah then the RAM modules were probably too different.

The Thaiphoon Burner is often detected as a "false positive" by some browsers, because a) it requires low-level access to the hardware to read out the chips from the RAM modules, and b) the developers opted to protect it against decompiling and disassembling by encrypting it. Those things are often red flags, but in the case of this software, they are legitimately used, not in a malicious way. Only third-grade far-eastern AVs will flag it as suspicious, the major AVs know that it's a legit program. My Firefox also doesn't flag it as insecure, it downloads just fine.

Once you look at the "READFIRST September 2023.txt", the first entry is:

1. Thaiphoon Burner is not a malicious tool. It does NOT collect your
private data, monitor your activity and install rootkits. It does NOT
connect to the Internet without your knowledge. To prevent Thaiphoon.exe
from decompiling and disassembling we use a licensed software protector.
For this reason, some of the antivirus programs detect Thaiphoon.exe as
malware, infected or potentially dangerous. This is false positive!

Here's me running the latest version of it:

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Anyway, it's moot now, if you return the new RAM. If you want 32 GB, like i said, better get a kit of 2x 16 GB.
 
ok i downloaded firefox downloaded Thaiphoon Burner. When i selected read it game me 4 options so i read all 4.
 

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Yes, completely different modules, like i suspected. One RAM kit uses Hynix ICs, the other uses Samsung ICs.

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But also, if the order of the screenshots is an indication of where the modules are placed, then they might be in the wrong order.
The modules should be paired in slots A1+B1 (first kit) and A2+B2 (second kit). It could be that you paired them A1+A2 and B1+B2.
So you could pair them properly and test again.

But in general, these kits are entirely different, they just have the same outside appearance and XMP profile, that's about it.
 
On top of a different IC, many other smaller components may be different. It all adds up to being different despite being "same" model.
 
ok so i got the new ram today the new chips are also made my samsung it looks like. but in the bios/uefi it stull runs at 1866mhz even when i select xmp profile 2 and also in oc mode i selected 3200 mhz as well. the computer only shuts after after a few seconds and restarts only when i exit the bios/uefi menu. i have not removed old ram to see what speed new ram runs on its own, but considering i have not gotten the blue screen of death i am guessing it runs at same speed as old ram.
 

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Like i wrote several times:
"It would be better to return the new kit, sell the old kit, and get a kit of 2x 16 GB DDR4-3200."
"If you want 32 GB, like i said, better get a kit of 2x 16 GB."
And my thread is called "Why two modules are better than four".

I wasn't aware that you ordered new RAM, and that it was another 2x 8GB kit. You can see that, while the memory ICs are now the same Samsung ones, something about them is still not 100% identical, they still have different temperature sensors for example, suggesting a different layout of the PCB, which then would also slightly alter their electrical requirements. Of course, when the memory ICs are different, the cause for problems is evident, but apparently even a different PCB with identical ICs can cause problems... on an Intel or Ryzen 5000-series system this might have now worked fine, but Ryzen 2000 wasn't exactly famous for its memory controller yet. Ryzen 1000-series was pretty bad, then it slowly improved until Ryzen 5000 where it was pretty good.

So my suggestions from above still stand: You will have the least trouble by returning and/or selling the kits made up of 8GB modules, and getting 2x 16 GB.
 
ok so i took out old ram and only installed new ram and could not get it to work past 2133 mhz even when i selected xmp 2.0. the old ram same thing started happening when i selected the xmp 2.0 profile but when i disabled xmp restated and then selected xmp 2.0 again it worked at the 3200mhz again. i also noticed it started to do the flickering after you restart with new ram even when it was installed by itself. thanks for the info though but i dont really need 32gb of ram that bad.
 
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