Raptor Lake Settings Survey and Spreadsheet "Database"

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Welcome to the Raptor Lake Settings Survey and Spreadsheet "Database"

While no two systems (or CPUs) are the same, it is my hope that you will find this centralized information useful when comparing your own specific setup to those who have the same CPU - and maybe similar hardware. In addition to this objective, I have also provided an opportunity for Raptor Lake owners to periodically submit additional entries to the survey database when anything changes. If degradation becomes more of a widespread issue than originally anticipated then these periodic "field reports" should allow us to see these trends as they unfold.

Instructions for Survey Submissions
Once you're satisfied with your system's stability and performance, please follow the instructions below to prepare for your first submission to the survey database.

Please download the attached Survey Guide.pdf. This guide has been designed to give each survey respondent a chance to gather all the relevant information ahead of time. This is an important step. The last two pages of the guide describes how you can make immediate use of the survey results, either before or after you complete your online entry.

In addition to the many questions in the survey, you will find a section (Section 2) that asks for performance related data. I have selected Cinebench R23 for this purpose. However, Cinebench R23 is only one small snapshot of performance and I realize will not necessarily be indicative of gaming performance, etc. In fact, as our recent testing has demonstrated, some "undervolting approaches" are much better suited to all-core CPU workloads (like Cinebench R23) than those favoring lighter, non all-core workloads, such as gaming.

[1] Use this link to access the Online Survey
NOTE: Survey responses cannot be edited once they are submitted. However, I can still assist you in making changes (see NOTEs below). Survey responses can also be deleted (by me) if you wish.
:stop: Please don’t forget to enter your Forum name (if you’re a member) to help others link you to your settings. But for privacy reasons, please don’t use your real name or email address, etc.

[2] Use this link to access the Online Spreadsheet "database".
NOTE: Pink cells indicate data that I have corrected on behalf of the respondents.
NOTE: To read extra long “User Comments”, double-click on them to pop up a scrollable box.

If you are very new to the topic of Raptor Lake tuning then my guide might help you get started.
Guide: "Almost" everything you need to know about Raptor Lake Voltage/Power/Temperature Tuning

If you’re already quite comfortable with undervolting via the Intel Loadline settings (LLC, AC_LL, DC_LL) then you should find Vassil_V’s case study quite interesting.
Different undervolting methods with IA CEP enabled, and how they compare to Lite Load
You will also find his latest “favorite" settings in the Survey database.
 

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FlyingScot said:
Once it gets into the realm of customization of individual cores or groups of cores, I think I'd have to ask too many questions. I have the following setup right now:

P-Core Ratio*
Select your all-core P-Core Ratio setting from the dropdown list.
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Thanks, but to be clear, I (and the poster earlier today) do not leave the default "all-core" so our response to your question is sort of undefined. I change setting Apply Mode "All Core" to "Turbo Ratio" which I feel is sort of the way that Intel markets their processors. I don't customize any ratios (but it looks like the poster earlier today does, both manual and offset) - in my case that setting causes "Auto" to appear around 16 times (for P-Cores) or 12 times (for E-Cores).
I know your survey has question about Turbo Boost 3.0 but I am not familiar with how that is relevant in an All Core context like your survey.
For my setting (Turbo Ratio), my running ratio is often 8x or 11x and the Auto means my 13700K boosts to 54x (best couple cores) or 53x (remaining cores).
 
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doug.hogart153b02d9 said:
Thanks, but to be clear, I (and the poster earlier today) do not leave the default "all-core" so our response to your question is sort of undefined. I change setting Apply Mode "All Core" to "Turbo Ratio" which I feel is sort of the way that Intel markets their processors. I don't customize any ratios (but it looks like the poster earlier today does, both manual and offset) - in my case that setting causes "Auto" to appear around 16 times (for P-Cores) or 12 times (for E-Cores).
I know your survey has question about Turbo Boost 3.0 but I am not familiar with how that is relevant in an All Core context like your survey.
For my setting (Turbo Ratio), my running ratio is often 8x or 11x and the Auto means my 13700K boosts to 54x (best couple cores) or 53x (remaining cores).
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The bios fields for allowing fine tuning of max core ratios looks like they can vary from motherboard generation and BIOS version (or motherboard model). So, the best I can do in the survey is to try to capture the end result of these settings. I currently offer three options: Auto = factory boosting behavior based upon Turbo 2, and supplemented by Turbo 3, TVB, and eTVB and Turbo Offsets (all separate questions), a manual all-core max frequency, (e.g. 55), or Custom = manually configured (1) at the Core level or (2) based upon how many cores are active. In the example provided by you, you would have to choose Custom.

I think I know what you are asking for, so I’m thinking about how I might capture more detail about a custom configuration. I might add two new optional Sections at the end of the survey. But in regards to the specific BIOS settings you would use to replicate a custom core ratio setup, you would still need to follow up one-on-one with the respondent. I think that’s the best that I can do. The BIOS screen that allows fine tuning of core ratios can quickly become a point of confusion. I think asking a bunch of questions about this area of the BIOS will likely lead to wrong responses because a lot of people just stick to simple all-core or Turbo Offsets. At least, they use to. I know Raptor Lake‘s are special needs. chips. :confused:

EDIT: I think I will remove tha word “All-core” from the P-core and E-core questions. That might be a source of confusion because factory boosting behavior associated with Auto is far more granular. Let me think about it.
 
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Very exciting when results start pouring in !
I have had waterdamage in my house and must move out for 3 months while repairs are ongoing. So have no time to participate just now, as everyting on the first floor must be removed. Haven't even had time to BIOS for my motherboard from the original M0. I will be back when time (and peace of mind) allows.
 
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GhiaOne said:
Very exciting when results start pouring in !
I have had waterdamage in my house and must move out for 3 months while repairs are ongoing. So have no time to participate just now, as everyting on the first floor must be removed. Haven't even had time to BIOS for my motherboard from the original M0. I will be back when time (and peace of mind) allows.
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Oh, I am so so sorry. What total mystery. I have had my own challenges with water, and the results of dampness, just enough to imagine what you are likely going through. It can be a life-changing event.
Growing up, my mother would say “Water is the enemy! Even though we can’t live without it.” I‘ve come to appreciate those words again and again.

I pray that you have a good group of supportive friends and relatives, that all the repairs go well, and that you are made financially whole at the end of the process. Please let us know how it goes.
 
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Oh, I am so so sorry. What total mystery. I have had my own challenges with water, and the results of dampness, just enough to imagine what you are likely going through. It can be a life-changing event.
Growing up, my mother would say “Water is the enemy! Even though we can’t live without it.” I‘ve come to appreciate those words again and again.

I pray that you have a good group of supportive friends and relatives, that all the repairs go well, and that you are made financially whole at the end of the process. Please let us know how it goes.
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Thank you so much for your sympathy, FlyingScot, very kind of you ! :-)
It has come to light that there has been unseen seepage for some time, and I'm nor allowed to live here when they start repairs, as they think there is mold present. All kitchen fittings and the floor will be ripped out. Emptying everything is exhausting, and I'm not excatly a spring chicken either. I was lucky to find a great apartment for short-time let, and will be moving on October 4th. Insurance company is dragging their feet, but this must be done even if it takes my whole nestegg. I have my eldest daughter w/family close by, and they are helping me. But it is a struggle against time and feels like living in a horror story. But I'll get through it, simply because I have to.
 
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GhiaOne said:
Thank you so much for your sympathy, FlyingScot, very kind of you ! :-)
It has come to light that there has been unseen seepage for some time, and I'm nor allowed to live here when they start repairs, as they think there is mold present. All kitchen fittings and the floor will be ripped out. Emptying everything is exhausting, and I'm not excatly a spring chicken either. I was lucky to find a great apartment for short-time let, and will be moving on October 4th. Insurance company is dragging their feet, but this must be done even if it takes my whole nestegg. I have my eldest daughter w/family close by, and they are helping me. But it is a struggle against time and feels like living in a horror story. But I'll get through it, simply because I have to.
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I hate that you are having to go through this “horror story” as you called it. I know it must be both exhausting and stressful because it affects the place you call home. You cannot escape from it like you can with other life problems. It’s also made worse when it comes late in life, when it‘s not so easy to bounce back financially or emotionally. However, I know you will get through this awful situation by taking it one day at a time. I’m sure that I speak for all the members of this forum when I say that we wish you a speedy resolution to this situation so you can get back to doing the things you enjoy. Please keep us updated on your progress.
 
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@FlyingScot . The good thing is, my new machine is not giving me any grief while running off leash. I spent a couple of weeks getting Win11 to look the way I want it and was ready to start tweaking when the water monster struck. I got only ONE Cinebench test done, this is everything running out of the box on BIOS M0, microcode 0x123, no PL1/PL2 limits, no XMP or over/under clocking and lax memory timings. All I'd done here was fan curves.
Plan was/is to test different settings on 3 BIOSs (microcodes 0x123, 0x125 and 0x129). There will be lots of free time to test when I move...basically a 3 month holiday, haha..
 

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@FlyingScot . The good thing is, my new machine is not giving me any grief while running off leash. I spent a couple of weeks getting Win11 to look the way I want it and was ready to start tweaking when the water monster struck. I got only ONE Cinebench test done, this is everything running out of the box on BIOS M0, microcode 0x123, no PL1/PL2 limits, no XMP or over/under clocking and lax memory timings. All I'd done here was fan curves.
Plan was/is to test different settings on 3 BIOSs (microcodes 0x123, 0x125 and 0x129). There will be lots of free time to test when I move...basically a 3 month holiday, haha..
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That‘s really good news. You’ll have something to distract yourself for awhile. By the way, I think BuildZoid’s latest conclusions were to skip over 0x125 and go straight to 0x129. His observations led him to believe that 0x125 actually makes the voltage spike issue even worse - and it has no limiter.

Perhaps once you’ve had some time to settle down your system with a final BIOS update, the survey (and some testing that’s currently work-in-progress with some of our members) might give you some ideas on a good undervolting strategy. Incidentally, if you haven’t read my review of BuildZoid’s latest video, you might just find it an interesting read. Consider it a little history on the loadline mechanism, with some actionable points at the end.


There’s also a post below it with what I consider to be the best forum reading material to-date. Cheers!
 
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FlyingScot said:
That‘s really good news. You’ll have something to distract yourself for awhile. By the way, I think BuildZoid’s latest conclusions were to skip over 0x125 and go straight to 0x129. His observations led him to believe that 0x125 actually makes the voltage spike issue even worse - and it has no limiter.

Perhaps once you’ve had some time to settle down your system with a final BIOS update, the survey (and some testing that’s currently work-in-progress with some of our members) might give you some ideas on a good undervolting strategy. Incidentally, if you haven’t read my review of BuildZoid’s latest video, you might just find it an interesting read. Consider it a little history on the loadline mechanism, with some actionable points at the end.


There’s also a post below it with what I consider to be the best forum reading material to-date. Cheers!
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Okay, I'll drop 0x125, no sweat. I have a lot of catching up to do when it comes to reading. I was up to date when this started, but have been out of the loop these last 2-3 weeks. Will take your advice...tnx !
 
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GhiaOne said:
Sorry about derailing your thread, FlyingScot. No more.
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On the contrary. It was nice to hear from you after your long absence. I just wish it hadn't been because of such an unfortunate turn of events.
Plus, you are helping to keep my survey thread at the top of the list. That's got to count for something, don't you think? ;)
 
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I have just uploaded the final version of my Survey Instructions pdf with the following changes:

1. Removed the words "All core" from the P-Core Ratio question and clarified how to respond.
2. Removed the words "All core" from the E-Core Ratio question and clarified how to respond.
3. Added a new Section 5 - Allows submission of custom Individual P-Cores and/or E-Cluster Turbo 2.0 ratios
4. Added a new Section 6 - Allows submission of custom ratios based upon how many P-Cores and/or E-Cores are active.

Once again, thanks for all the feedback! I think you helped to make the survey even more inclusive.
Stay tuned for go-live!
 
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is it possible to partially fill it out and then come back later and fill the rest?

In order to reduce the impact that superior cooling solutions have on the Cinebench score, please ensure your system is cool and ready to run a single benchmark pass with no warm up period
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ambient temperature also has an effect here, so I'd suggest also recording the idle cpu package temperature before starting cinebench

anti-virus software can impact your scores, please do not disable this application
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I might have gone into great lengths in disabling things like that some time ago, sorry
 
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charonme said:
is it possible to partially fill it out and then come back later and fill the rest?
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I'm not 100% sure. I think it only works for so long, maybe a browser cache kind of thing.
I think you might have a better chance if you log in with a google acct. But I never tried that either.
 
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charonme said:
is it possible to partially fill it out and then come back later and fill the rest?


ambient temperature also has an effect here, so I'd suggest also recording the idle cpu package temperature before starting cinebench


I might have gone into great lengths in disabling things like that some time ago, sorry
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In regards to the anti-virus point, you're in good shape. I was mainly concerned with getting results that reflected a user's normal system status. If you don't run AVS then that's your normal system setup.

Perhaps put the ambient temp in the User Comments field for the time being. I will add that column, but it will likely end up as the last column, and away from all the other Cinebench R23 info. Not ideal.
 
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Perhaps put the ambient temp in the User Comments field for the time being. I will add that column, but it will likely end up as the last column, and away from all the other Cinebench R23 info. Not ideal.
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I have added Room Temp (in Celsius) to the R23 section. I was able to rebuild the database, so all is good.
I also added CPU VR Voltage for the future. See details in the new Survey Guide.pdf.
 
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which "CPU Package temperature" should we record? The "DTS" one or the "Enhanced" one?
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I think they usually are the same or within 1 - 2 degrees. I will have to leave this decision up to the user at this point. I would imagine most people will just default to the one they normally track.
 
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