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bananabender

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Many thanks David.

This is a great article and I appreciate your research and the references very much.  I've been looking at the Samsung 960 EVO and 960 PRO and your update on thermal properties of NVMe has tipped the balance for me to seriously consider the extra money for the PRO instead of the EVO.  Apart from the five year compared to three year warranty the 960 PRO uses slightly less power at 5.3 W compared to 5.7 W for the EVO for the 1TB models.  I noticed that both models have 1.5 million hours MTBF, but a five year warranty is better than a three year warranty.
 

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asm1 date=1511532952 said:
You are most welcome :)   Let us know how you get on. :biggthumbsup:
I have bought the Samsung 960 EVO NVMe M.2 250 GB. At first bios didn't detect the ssd so I changed the AHCI / IDE setting on bios. And then it detects ssd but doesn't hdd. Anyway I installed windows on ssd and when windows started I have seen the hdd in windows. Attached you can see the speed test. --HDD and M.2 SSD are on my pc now, sata ssd is on another computer (added it just to compare with M.2).. In conclusion, now bios does not detect hdd but does SSD. Yet, I can use both ssd and hdd at the same time.
 

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I have GE62 6QF

No problem with my old samsung MZVPV256HDGL-00000. Works well and temperatures are: 30Celsius in rest state and about 30-50 in stress (full read/write).

I bought Patriot Hellfire 480GB M.2 NMVe PH480GPM280SSDR and... "houston, we have a problem"
Temperatures are abnormal. In rest state (cover open + cooling plate with fans) - 49-54Celsius.
In short stress: 100Celsius and above... this is sick :)
 

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There are numerous reviews on the Hellfire.  This one has about ten pages (quite short pages), with page 9 all about the high temperature of this model SSD.
https://thepcenthusiast.com/patriot-hellfire-480gb-m-2-nvme-ssd-review/9/

"Patriot Hellfire 480GB M.2 Temperature Test
The Patriot Hellfire M.2 NVMe SSD has an operating temperature from 0? to 70? C. However, I was surprised to see that my drive was operating beyond 70?; and even peaks at 100? degrees Celsius! No wonder it?s called Hellfire (pun intended). Allow me to explain further.

The temperatures you see below are the result of the drive installed without any airflow support. When I did the benchmarks on the previous pages, the Patriot Hellfire was installed below the Zotac GTX 1080 Mini. Since the GPU is blowing air, it?s also somehow cooling the Patriot Hellfire. Take not that the GPU was not under load since I was only doing storage benchmarks. So basically the graphics card was not hot and the air that was exhausted towards the PCB was cool.
When I rearranged the orientation of the test setup, this time the graphics card was further away from the Hellfire (as you can see from the photo on the test setup); leaving the Hellfire with no airflow support. Below are the results I got.
https://thepcenthusiast.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Patriot-Hellfire-480GB-SSD-full-load-temperature-without-fan-01.pngThe temperature shoot up to ~100? while I was running Crystaldiskmark and ezIOmeter benchmarks. There?s also a noticeable drop in the performance, most probably due to thermal throttling. As you can see from the benchmarks below, the sequential write speed went down by a few 100MB/s. Other tests seem to be hitting their expected speeds. Probably the heat may have affected its performance somehow, but it?s still definitely working. Take note, this time there was no any air flow support; the Hellfire M.2 was just sitting on the motherboard without any additional cooling support.

https://thepcenthusiast.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Patriot-Hellfire-480GB-SSD-full-load-temperature-without-fan-02.png
I?m not sure if this is true to all Hellfire M.2 SSDs, but for my specific unit, it was definitely operating at above 70?. I?ve checked other reviews but most didn?t mention about its temperature. I?ve read one review where their unit?s temperature was also reaching around 80?+ degrees Celsius. So, I was a little bit worried about how high the temperature can get with this unit. Even though it was still working, extreme heat may damage the drive in the long run or at least shorten its life span.
There are motherboards that come with an ?M.2 shield? or a heatsink for M.2 SSDs; specially the new X299 motherboards. However, since our system unit didn?t have one, I resorted to a sort of DIY solution. I found some old memory heatsinks and decided to put them on the controller and the NAND flash. I think these heatsinks were originally meant for VRAMs.
WARNING: I do not recommend this method as this will void warranty! Removing the sticker label voids warranty! I just removed the sticker for better contact."
 

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hello.
I have the MSI GP62 7RE then I purchased in 2017 the Kingston KC1000 SSD NVMe 960GB.  Before did this upgrade I see the specifications and noticed that never my laptop runs at maximun speed given by Samsung 960. For this reason I decided to bought the Kingston. And after some test I noticed the temperature was some hot like 70 degrees. After discovered that exist Thermal Throttling ... I discovered that exist  m2 coolers. I bought a thin cooler for the m2 in aliexpress. Try that! Is possible that resolve the problem with temperature.
 

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FYI, in my GT80S SLI 6QE Titan, I have the following SSD modules installed  that run well:

Samsung PM981 1TB PCIe
Samsung PM951 1TB PCIe (half as fast as the above and older circa 2015 -- 1700 Mb/sec versus 3500 Mb/sec for PM981)
Samsung 860 EVO M.2  SATA 1TB slower still than the above
Samsung 860 1TB - that is the 2.5" SATA that is slower but you can never tell in real life.

I also ran Samsung 850 1TB 2.5" and since put that in another machine. 

Observations: Only 2280 drives are bootable. I currently have Win10 in all 2280 - PM981, PM951 and 860 EVO M.2. The 2.5" SATA drive is not bootable no matter what I do with it. So I just use it for data.

It's hard to tell any speed difference between any SSDs unless you copy a lot of data. 

This above combination works well. Also I broke the RAID0 it came in, the entire PM981 is the boot drive with no RAID enabled (AHCI is set).
 

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Hi 

Just bought GL63 8RE and wanted to upgrade M.2 drive to 500 GB as the factory drive is 128 GB, will that affect the Win 10 Recovery process and how should i go about it to attain the Recovery. 

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Plz Help 
 

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adeelahmedd said:
Hi Just bought GL63 8RE and wanted to upgrade M.2 drive to 500 GB as the factory drive is 128 GB, will that affect the Win 10 Recovery process and how should i go about it to attain the Recovery. -- Plz Help
Hi Adeel,
I have a GL63 8RD which also has a 128GB SSD storage. My SSD drive does not display in the Intel Rapid Storage tool, although the larger 1TB SATA drive shows up.
DOes your 128GB drive show in your Intel Rapid Storage?
 

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I have lots of problem unsolved with my notebook and the support message area doesn't work. Having this problem for about six months now. How do I get my problem solve when your support doesn't work. There is nothing they can do on the phone. I can even explain anymore! I can only send a transcript of my troubles. It like a bought a trouble for 3050 euros.
 

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Has anyone managed to replace M.2 Sata to NVME in GS73 series? I am planning to replace my toshiba to samsung 970 pro NVME 1TB. 

Any advice before I'm getting one would be much appreciated.
 

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I upgraded both PCIe slots to Samsung PM981 1TB..

The other 2 are SATA III, 2.5" SSD is Samsung 860 and the M.2 is Samsung 860 M.2
 

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GF63 9RCX is not defined in table.
I presumed it is combo b+m socket with Pcie3x2 m.2 using hwinfo64. It's right ?
It's possible for using MP510 Corsair Pcie3x4 m socket plugged into it ?
 

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This is really good info.

I have SanDisk X400 which not the newer faster type but I was able to get it cheap, 512GB modules for 150 each.
But it looks like there is a 960 in my future. You Can Also Read Best MSI Gaming Laptop here.
 

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GS75 Stealth 9sf with 2x2Tb Sabrent Rocket Q nvme ssd + 2Tb EVO 960 with 32GB 2666MHz Ballistix RAM. But since MSI didn't allow XMP your RAM is stuck at 2400MHz. Crystal Disk ran the nvme ssd at 2900-3200 Mgbs and the usual 490-520 Mgbs for the SATA 3 Samsung EVO. i7 is a POS runs hot enough to cook on or itself. Hey let's sell something that'll void it's own warranty! NO new News there. Hindered by bloatware, crap software, and so your usual $2,000 POS we pay for from those filthy yellow bellies!
 

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Just info.https://www.msi.com/Laptop/support/GF63-Thin-9rcx
GF63 9RCX is has 1 NVME PCie 3.0 4X m.2 slot and 1 Sata 2.5in HDD slot.
 
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